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He didn't.
The same Omnipotent God that created man, sent other prophets, Jesus and him pbut with same message of monotheism as the religion in the sight of God.
Do you expect him to change the words of God just to please you and your likes?
God for us all ( Pagan, Hindu, Muslims, Christians, Atheist) but each knows their temple.
Jesus said he has not come to change or abolish the laws of Moses, rather to fulfill them. So who was he copying now?
CAN MESSENGERS OF GOD ALMIGHTY PLAGIARISE GOD'S WORDS?

He didn't ? Mohammed was no messenger of God. He never saw God. All he saw was an evil spirit.
The bible is different from all other books that claim salvation. Not all religions are the same. God is not schizophrenic who will say one thing and change his mind later. Only via Jesus can you be saved. If the God of Mohammed is the same as the Christians why the chapter to attack Christians , why the chapter that all Christians and Saebians will go to heaven. Did the god of Mohammed forget the route to salvation?
If its the same God why is mohammed's paradise all about sex and wine, somethin you don't find in the biblical heaven?

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/religions/christianity/history/whokilledjesus_1.shtml

https://rsc.byu.edu/behold-lamb-god/interpreting-caiaphass-prophecy-saviors-death

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/culture/people-in-the-bible/why-caiaphas-broke-jewish-law-indict-jesus/

Read in between the lines to know why Jesus pbuh had to die.
But for sure salvation wasn't one of them.

You leave the bible and send me bbc links? Read and respond to my claims. Counter my claims and leave bbc and other MSM opinions

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I was not using another scripture but the Bible please.
If what I am doing is cherry picking, please what are you doing?

So what i used is what? Refer to my response. Look up the verses yourself and see that the disciples obeyed Jesus.

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Not Muslim or Islamic Scholars oooo.
Christian Scholars of the highest eminence backed by 50 corporating denominations have seen what Dr Laurence & we Muslims saw in the Bible (inconsistencies that can not be attributed to God most high).

List the 50 denominations. Anyone can make a claim. Muslims are only there to copy and claim Jesus. I asked a question why is Mohammed trying to reweite Jewish history?

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Nope.

Now Caiaphas was he, which gave counsel to the Jews, that it was expedient that one man should die for the people (John 18:14).
“If we leave him thus alone, all men will believe on him: and the Romans shall come and take away both our place and nation” (John 11:48).
In response, Caiaphas exclaimed, “Ye know nothing at all, nor consider that it is expedient for us, that one man should die for the people, and that the whole nation perish not” (John 11:49–50).
Caiaphas was concerned with political expediency, not Salvation as the author of Gospel of John made Christians to believe.

All the verses i quoted did you read them? Why do ignore. When pilate asked why Jesus should be crucified what did they answer him? You know the answer its in all i quoted.

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So since John 3:16 was a prerequisite for salvation in Christianity, what was the faith of those that died before the crucification of Jesus pbuh?

First do u agree with John 3 vs 16. If you do.we can go to the next question

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Show me where Jesus pbuh found Christianity from the Bible.
Jesus practiced the Jewish religion in the Jewish temple, he read Isaiah (OT) to the Jews, made burnt offerings etc.
Jesus went right, Paul said left and Christians took left and claimed it was Jesus they followed.

So pls tell me what were Jesus last words. " go ye into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature, he that believes and is baptised will be saved" mark 16 vs 15-16 , matt 28 vs 19-20.
So the disciples did as Jesus commanded and they were called Christians, hence Christianity.
You see i have countered you in all your claims. Stop cherry picking

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John 11:49-51

What claim did they lay on him?
Let me help you.
Luke 22 vs 70. Also
Matt 26 vs 63-66
John 10 vs 33
And lastly John 5 vs 18
Am sure you can logically connect these together.
That is the reason he was crucified.

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You said Muslims are all Abdul, then I reminded you that Jesus is also Abdul according to Acts 3:26.
Muslims didn't put Acts 3:26 in the Bible but the author did.

Jesus said I AM. That is only a claim no one else can make. Why did the Jews crucify him? Its cos me made himself equal with God. All things were made by him as he is the word of God.
In the context Jesus was called a servant, but what did he call himself? Answer the question.

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We are all sons, daughters & children of God most high provided (condition) we believe and do righteous deeds. As stated in the Bible in numerous places. (Job 1:6, 2:1; Matthew 5:9; Luke 6:35, 20:34-36; John 1:12-13, 11:52, 3:1-3; Romans 8:12-25; Galatians 3:24-29.)

Now, Paul who found Christianity, did so for reasons best known to him.

Jesus was taken from Servant (Acts 3:26) - Prophet- son of God- God the son and ultimately to "God" Almighty (John 1:1).

All the verses you quoted are out of context. Jesus was the only one to claim that. The bible was written after Jesus ascended so what are you claiming. It was Jesus that paved way for a relationship with God. Before Jesus who had the authority to make the claim.
Paul did not found Christianity. The disciples were called Christians before Paul came along

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Abdul means servant not slave just like Jesus pbuh was a servant of God most high (Acts 3:26).

Jesus said he is the son of God and he said it severally. So why conclude on 1 verse that mentions servant cos of the context of the text.
Hope you know honesty is a virtue. Cherry picking is not being honest.

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Prophecy or no prophecy, he was forsaken.
But we Muslims won't forsake him or other prophets of God.
I won't quote out of context, but will ask you a question then make reference to a verse.
Is Jesus God?
What does

First, he was forsaken but that was not the end of the story. Why draw a conclusion in the middle. That is what you do when you are cherry picking.
Jesus is not God the father the holy spirit is not God the father God the father is not Jesus. All three exist and form the trinity. Its like a single program made up of different functions.

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Jesus was a prophet of God, so because Christians decide to worship him, we should forsake him like the disciples (". . . all the disciples forsook Him and fled."-Matthew 26:56) and "God" (. . . 'My God, My God, why have You forsaken Me?' Matthew 27:45 - 46).

there is no proof that Jesus claimed to be a prophet. God forsook him yes, its prophecy that was cos he bore the sins. muslims just take verses and quote out of context, not knowing all verse in the bible are related. Jesus 3 years of ministry is the reason for the bible. All the text from Genesis to Malachi was for Jesus and his 3 year ministry.

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If you decide to interpret Servant as Slave, no problem as Muslims are in it with Jesus pbuh as clearly stated in the Bible (ACTS 3:26.)

https://carm.org/jesus-god-or-servant

Why are u guys trying so hard to claim Jesus. He never mentioned about islam or your prophet. Why try so hard and keep failing. What does the quran say about Jesus? text found in some children's story book in the time of mohammed. Jesus said "I am the way the truth and the life no one comes to the father except by me" so i dont know what claim mohammed is making 600 years after Jesus. Imagine an Arabian man Trying to rewrite history for the Jews.

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of highest eminence not just any scholar.

It wasn't in the original manuscript, then scholars inserted (interpolation) then removed it and you are talking of logical reasoning. Footnotes are someone else's believe & trying to indoctrinate the reader at the same time.

In the original manuscript, who told you it differentiates "son" from "Son"?

pls what are these scholars' names?.
how many manuscripts do you think exist. There are several of them so cos a handful did not contain it means the majority that contain it are wrong?
There is a difference between son ans Son in the original manuscript. just like god and God. its capitalised for a reason.

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Abacha
Buhari
Muhammad
Bello
Usman
Atiku
Zarah
Aisha
Lawan
Mustapha
Yar'adua
Nasiru
Musa
Sambo

Ignorance is a disease.

All muslims are abdul when i say that i dont mean they bear the name. But they are slaves of allah. That is what abdul - lah means . slaves of allah or the moon god lah

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That's your opinion alright.
We are anything to Allah our creator if it so pleases Him.

Its not my opinion, aren't all muslims abduls?
All muslims are slaves of allah

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You are not flowing.
You brought issues of Trinity & Divinity of Jesus as the words of Jesus pbuh, but 32 Christian scholars of highest eminence back by 50 corporate denominations said the pillar upon which the Christian faith lays was a fabrication, an interpolation and as such removed the word of "God" from the Bible.
That was why I brought this up, not digressing.
It was a plural of respect not numbers.
As according to the Bible, you have equal stake in divinity as Jesus, holy spirit, others that accept the "unconditional love" as well.
This will be the mathematical representation of divinity in Christianity ; T + x = ∞ {where x = a believer in John 3:16, T = Trinity} according to the Bible (John 14:20, Psalms 82:6, Acts 17:28).


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D8MH7BW_bFo#

Let us dissect the 32 scholars out of thousands.
Let me take apart what your text

"The only verse indicating trinity (the Father, the Son and the Holy
Ghost are one) has been removed from the bible by 32 scholars of the
bible in the Revised Standard Version among many other verses as
fabrication after they realized that these verses do not exist in the
most ancient manuscript and as such there is not a single verse
indicating Trinity anymore in the complete bible."

The trinity is a concept in the bible, its exists all over the bible,its in Genesis,John etc. You quoting 1 John 5 vs 7.The verse exists in the Greek manuscripts, some sect, The Greek Eastern Orthodox religion was combating a heresy called "Sabellianism," and would have found it easier to combat the heresy by simply removing the troubling passage from their Bibles.
There are thousands of christian scholars so what significance is 32?
Here is a link to my source: https://www.chick.com/information/article?id=Is-I-John-5:7-Missing-From-Older-Manuscripts

If RSV does not contain parts of john 3 vs 16, what of the other hundreds of translations? See how you conclude, that is rushing to judgement, is RSV the original text? Try and criticize logically.

You quote Psalm 2 vs7. Who told you its was referring to David? its a prophecy about Jesus. See how the verse ends "blessed are those who put their trust in him" am sure its not David the passage is referring to.
If you notice all in the passages of Ps 82 : 6 , Ex 4:22 , romans 8 vs 14, the word 'son' is written in small letters, but john 3 vs 16 , Ps 2 vs 7 the 's' is in capital letters. This shows a difference in who is being referred to.

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Unconditional & accepting can't be in the same sentence.

I guess you have not heard about unconditional letter from a school before?
Even in marriage love is two-way if you love the other accepts your love.
The concept of love does not exist in islam. All muslims are slaves of allah. No slave loves his/ her master

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The fabrication of Trinity and the Begotten Son in Christianity

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The truth in their book itself, but "only those can accept the truth
who listen"

The fabrication of Trinity

The only verse indicating trinity (the Father, the Son and the Holy
Ghost are one) has been removed from the bible by 32 scholars of the
bible in the Revised Standard Version among many other verses as
fabrication after they realized that these verses do not exist in the
most ancient manuscript and as such there is not a single verse
indicating Trinity anymore in the complete bible.

John A-V {5:7} For there are three that bear record in heaven, the
Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. (This
verse does not exist anymore in the RSV)

The fabrication of the Begotten Son

The word begotten has been removed from all Gospels by the same bible
scholars as fabrication after they realized that this word does not
exist in the most ancient manuscript.

John A-V {3:16} For God so loved the world, that he gave his only
begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but
have everlasting life. (This word does not exist anymore in all
Gospels in the RSV), so Jesus is not any more begotten by God where we
find others still alleged to be begotten sons of God according to the
bible. examples:

David was a begotten son of God long before Jesus (according to the
bible). Psalms A-V {2:7} I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said
unto me, Thou [art] my Son; this day have I begotten thee.

Israel was a begotten son of God long before Jesus (according to the
bible). Exodus A-V {4:22} And thou shalt say unto Pharaoh, Thus saith
the LORD, Israel[is] my son, [even] my firstborn:

So the term Son of God in the language of the Jews means godly person
not actual son of God and does not mean divinity at all, examples:

All Jews are sons of God (according to the bible). Psalms A-V {82:6} I
have said, Ye [are] gods; and all of you [are] children of the most
High.

All those who follow the spirit of God are sons of God (according to
the bible). Romans A-V {8:14} For as many as are led by the Spirit of
God, they are the sons of God.


Prepared by: Dr. Sereihan Alshammari

The person who wrote this is very ignorant. For a book that is not authored in English you use the context of the text to decipher what certain parts mean.
So all you quoted before about God refering to himself as "us" to show respect etc is not relevant again after the argument has been demolished so u jump to another ignorant author who clearly has no knowledge

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I never promised blind faith.
Those ain't his words for Christ sake. He couldn't have uttered such words.
The authors of the Bible wants you to believe whatever they tell you.
The authors messed up. "His", "Love".
Besides, there was no how Jesus authored the Bible 300yrs after his ascension. He didn't instruct anyone to do so unlike prophets Moses & Muhammad phut.
Why will 7 books (word of God) be removed from the Bible by mere mortal?
If those verses removed meant nothing to God under whose guidance the " Whole Bible" was authored then why did He allow it in the first place?
If Adam & Eve didn't believe God that created them about dying after eating the fruit, then I'd be stupid to agree with any author unconditionally.

Wrong, the bible is made up of books written few years after Jesus died. His disciples wrote books and they are in the new Testament. So where did your fictional 300 years come from.

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THIS AWFUL COMMENTS SHOULD BE REMOVED...

FLEXING MUSCLE OVER TRUMP.AND YOU CAN'T HOLD YOUR OWN LEADER'S HERE ACCOUNTABLE...

HYPOCRITES...

He was really a criminal. He was high and had substance on him during his arrest. It was wrong for him to have been killed that way.

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Its not.
Besides the examples don't correlate.
How?
Colleges don't offer unconditional admission & can't admit the whole of humans.
If you don't apply, forget it.
Even if you applied, once you don't meet their requirements or the college is filled to the brim, forget it.

So you have not seen an unconditional offer letter before? I know you know it exists.
The issue of the college is not admitting all humans but the unconditional offer. Same as with God he needs you to accept his offer of unconditional love. Love is 2 way. God loves us he gave his offer you love back by accepting. Its simple.
Or how do u think it will work. These are the words of Jesus. I thought u said you would take his words over others. Now you are saying somethin else.

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God has sons in the Bible by the dozens. So why single out Jesus pbuh.

In several languages, there are two types of plurals, one is a plural of numbers to refer to something that occurs in a quantity of more than one. The other plural is a plural of respect.

a. "In Our Image", was not plural of number but of respect.

b. In the English language, the Queen of England refers to herself as ‘We’ instead of ‘I’. This is known as the ‘royal plural’.

c. Rajiv Gandhi, the ex-Prime Minister of India used to say in Hindi "Hum dekhna chahte hain". "We want to see." ‘Hum’ means ‘We’ which is again a royal plural in Hindi.

d. Similarly in Arabic, when God refers to Himself in the Quran, He often uses Arabic word 'Nahnu' meaning ‘We’. It does not indicate plural of number but plural of respect. Tawheed or monotheism is one of the pillars of Islam. The existence and uniqueness of one and only one God is mentioned several times in the Quran. For instance in Surah Ikhlas, it says : "Say He is God the One and Only." [Al-Qur’an 112: 1]

The language the bible was written in is not English so you can't use that to define the meaning of our. So you mean God was refering to himself saying Our? Like speaking in the 3rd person , like a a schizophrenic patient, like allah?. No he was talking to others. And the Trinity was shown in Genesis. The father the word the spirit. - the Trinity.
Who were the other sons of God that he asked people to believe ? In more than one occasion God said this is my begotten son hear him, believe him. Who else had such from God. So Jesus was special.

[quote author=Xposed2020 post=90330496][/quote]so tell me how its supposed to work? God brings salvation how will you know about it, some reject it, like you are doing so you have to accept it before it comes to effect. Its like an unconditional offer to study at a college. You have to accept the offer before it becomes unconditional. Or cos its unconditional you will just resume classes without making a choice to accept or not?
You know you are playing games, if you understand logic and critical reasoning you will not be asking questions like these

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“But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father alone (Matthew 24:36).

I can do nothing on my own. I judge as God tells me. Therefore, my judgment is just, because I carry out the will of the one who sent me, not my own will. (John 5:30).

"You heard that I said to you, 'I go away, and I will come to you.' If you loved Me, you would have rejoiced, because I go to the Father; for the Father is greater than I.'" (John 14:28).

No, it is rather by means of God's power that I drive out demons, and this proves that the Kingdom of God has already come to you. (Luke 11:20; Matthew 12:28).

My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all, and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father’s hand.
(John 10:29).

All what you quoted only shows he does not act on his own, he works in unison with the father

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Why is it difficult for God say/state unequivocally in the Bible if that's what God intended just like He gave Christians conditional love to be saved in John 3:16?
Why the ambiguity?
Well Jesus burst such concept when he said ;

John 3 vs16 is unconditional once u accept. so u think God will force you to accept him? its after u accept not before.
Jesus bust Trinity? when he mentioned He is the son of God, saying before Abraham I Am ( John 8:58 ).
John 14 vs 8 - 10 -

Philip said, “Lord, show us the Father and that will be enough for us.”

9Jesus answered: “Don’t you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’? 10Don’t you believe that I am in the Father, and that the Father is in me? The words I say to you I do not speak on my own authority. Rather, it is the Father, living in me, who is doing his work

these are words of Jesus mentioning him and God. Also
John 14 vs 16 - 17
And I (THE SON ) will ask the Father (FATHER), and he will give you another advocate (HOLY SPIRIT)to help you and be with you forever— 17the Spirit of truth.
Again that is the TRINITY.
I mentioned in Genesis when God said let us make man in our image. Who was he talking to?

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Come on!
You went to school & know those ain't his words.
For my Father so love the world that he gave me his only begotten son, that who so ever believed shall not perish but have an everlasting life.

THIS OUGHT TO BE THE VERSE HAD IT BEEN, IT WAS JESUS WORDS.
please don't tell me you are gullible and don't know a reported speech & the authors opinion.

Look! You didn't author the Bible, so ask questions like Dr Laurence did.

Now John 3:16 was a conditional "LOVE", only if one believes before he/she can be saved. Else they will perish.

I have a reason for asking if JESUS is Lord.
Now is he or is he not?

John 3 vs 16 are the words of Jesus. so its you that will not correct text that have existed for thousands of years which even the scholars acknowledged they are the words of Jesus. He was talking to Nicodemus and he said these words.
Dr Laurence who cherry picks the bible, he knows nothing. He ignores prophecies about Jesus in the old testament. he is not a christian.

John 3 vs 16 is unconditional once you accept it. its not before its after.

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Why John 3:16 and not others?
Is John's testimony more reliable than what Jesus said.
God wanted to murder moses because he didn't circumsize his son, likewise Jesus yet baptism now overrules it now. Are you sure the law applicable? Coz I can bring out 50 if not more of such.

Ok. Where do we get what Jesus said. John 3 vs 16 are the words of Jesus.

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Jesus was referred to as son of man 88 times in the Bible, and Jesus said God is One in the NT 3 times.
Like I said the Trinity was not the teaching of Jesus pbuh but Paul.
Kindly go through this clip.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_J5_VETwfew

Thats wrong. The Trinity is a concept that existed in the old Testament. Whn Jesus said he would send the holy spirit was Paul a Christian then?. In the book of genesis the concept of trinity was evident. Whn God said let's make man in our image who was he talking to?
Paul only confirmed what was written long before he was born. He did not originate the Trinity.
The clip you asked me to hear, the man is not correct in what he is saying. Saying Paul said the old testament law was not applicable again, Jesus called himself the son of man etc. He is ignorant.
Do u believe the bible or not u can't pick and choose. If u believe Jesus as u say. Why do u ignore John 3 vs 16.
This guy speakin is really deceived. He is cherry picking.

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We saw Isaiah 56, but we believe the testimony of Jesus pbuh as clearly stated in the Bible than what other persons say.
We believe Isaiah 56 was not referring to Jesus pbuh, as the word Jesus was not found in the Old testament and according to his testimony. So it was prophesying SOMEONE ELSE.
I'd be surprised if to you both ain't contradictory.
Now, who do you believe most, Jesus pbuh or someone else trying be all means to attribute such prophecy to him?
If Isaiah 56 refers to Jesus pbuh, then he would have say so unequivocally without mincing a word.


Now is Jesus God?

So you expect them to mention his name Jesus in the old Testament? Despite them mentioning his titles. Jesus himself read Isaiah's story and confirmed that it was him being talked about. The Jews know their history and they were expecting him.
In Isaiah 9 a prophecy about a child was given. An angel came to Mary Jesus mother and mentions to her about the birth of a child whose name is Jesus and will save people from sin.
When you ask is Jesus God you are asking the wrong question. In John chapter 1 we see the definition of who Jesus is. The bible says Jesus is the physical manifestation of the invisible God. So thats who he is

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The intended message was from 0:30 - 0:50 timeline.
Worshipped in Jewish Temple the Jewish God. . .

i know Jesus was Jewish, from the line of David etc that is where is was to come from. But have you seen prophecies about him in Isaiah 56. Talking about the Gentiles receiving salvation. That is where other non- jewish people come in