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The time comes soon, with attendant persecution.

Workch:
I don't condone nitwits

You will tell that to the Righteous Judge on that day, when you keep turning a blind eye to the truth --deceiving, and being deceived (2 Timothy 3:13).

Workch:
Lol, you still don’t know that BCG vaccine is given during immunization of a child after birth.
Works with same principles as covid19 vaccine. You lot don’t know anything.

'Paul in his epistle to the Galatians enumerated a concise list of the works of the flesh. Contained in that list is the Greek word, pharmakeia. The King James scholar translated pharmakeia as "witchcraft" but a more probable rendering is that of "sorcery" and is so given by the American Standard Version. Sorcery is far closer to the meaning of the term.

Pharmakeia (sorcery) is a form of the Greek root from which we get our English words pharmacy, pharmacist, and pharmaceutical. Pharmakeia (sorcery) fundamentally has to do with drugs or medicine. Originally the word was used only in the sense of medicine. Plato talked about the different kinds of medicinal treatment: cautery, incision, the use of drugs (pharmakeia), and even starvation. (Plato, Protagorus 354a). In the beginning, pharmakeia was a medical term; it had to do with the proper use of drugs.

Later pharmakeia took on an entirely different meaning. The learned William Barclay says that pharmakeia began "to denote the misuse of drugs, that is, the use of drugs to poison and not to cure. So we read about the law regarding poisoning (Plato, Laws 933 B), and Demosthenes accuses a bad man of poisoning and all kinds of villainy (Demosthenes 40.57). This is the beginning of the bad use of the word" (Flesh And Spirit, p. 36)

In the New Testament, pharmakeia carried with it the idea of sorcery, occultism, and black magic. It is in this sense that Paul used the term in Galatians 5.20. The International Standard Bible Encyclopedia clearly points out that "since the ideas we attach to 'witch' and 'witchcraft' were unknown in Bible times, the words (witch and witchcraft) have no right place in our' Eng. Bible..." (p. 3097). When Paul spoke of pharmakeia (witchcraft KJV) he certainly did not have in mind witches on broomsticks, black cats, and silly superstitions. The Apostle was speaking of sorcery -- the evil abuse of drugs...'
- http://www.truthmagazine.com/archives/volume15/TM015091.html

Workch:
Lol, you still don’t know that BCG vaccine is given during immunization of a child after birth.
Works with same principles as covid19 vaccine. You lot don’t know anything.

You don't know anything spiritual concerning this vaccine. There is something else to this vaccine than the normal infant vaccines. You will believe the government and evil scientists hook, line and sinkers because you think they are always right. You think it is all logic or deception is included?
'...for by your sorceries (pharmakeia) were all nations deceived' - Rev. 18:23
'And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.' - Rev. 12:9
What will the devil not use within his power to deceive the whole world unto destruction?

Take heed that no man deceive you. The elect shall not be deceived. Many shall run to and fro and knowledge shall be increased. The wicked shall do wickedly and none of the wicked shall understand but the wise shall understand. (Matt. 24:4-24, Daniel 12:4-10)

You don't even know the one world agenda of the devil in the pipeline, but like the tower of Babel, it shall not be established, only God's kingdom shall be established. Revelation 11:15 - "And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever."

Workch:
But heed already accepted mandatory vaccinate during birth. This is not logical

These covid vaccines are not ordinary. There is more to it than meets the eye. They are end time tools of destruction.

Workch:
Thats not how it works. Knowledge kills ignorance.

Read about “herd immunity” to understand why a good number of people need to get the vaccine.

Herd immunity you say?

aviara:
A lady I am trying to preach the gospel to doesn't want to listen. She is requesting I have sex with her before accepting Jesus as Lord and saviour. Can I grant her request for the sake of the gospel?

Two wrongs don't make a right. Should one also defile themselves for the sake of the gospel? She is your 'Delilah'. Will you take the bait?

And back to the topic, anyone, even a cleric, telling you directly or indirectly to receive this vaccine did not receive that message from God --a vaccine where people are either been coerced or forced to receive it as the (sinister) solution to the pandemic and many of them still die anyway or have serious complications? These are the end times. This vaccine is a precursor to the Mark of the beast (microchip: digital certificate of vaccination and business transactions of the very near future we are in. See Rev. ch 13). Take it and you have sworn allegiance to the Beast himself (Satan).
Please people, don't take it!

oluwaseunamos33:
Congrats. The Almighty God that did it for you will surely do my own this month in Jesus name. Amen

Is your wife going to give birth this month or conceive? *just wondering*
It is well. May God grant your heart desires according to His will in Jesus name. Amen

post=106331248:
@Chatinent, Are you among the people who call , the general manager of bad news in this country, nigeria.

Is this not like first time in history you are bringing good news here? I for one have not called you such but isn't that the impression you bring with much negative 'COVERing' in NAIJA? It is well. Congratulations to the couple and all glory to God.

aysnoopy:
My good character is follow come. Originality

FTC baby

MrNipplesLover:
Good characters are buried inside of me.

I didn't have to enter church before I become good to people.


Thank you, father.


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Nice people or new men?

"...There is either a warning or an encouragement here for every one of us. if you are a nice person — if virtue comes easily to you beware! much is expected from those to whom much is given. if you mistake for your own merits what are really God's gifts to you through nature, and if you are contented with simply being nice, you are still a rebel: and all those gifts will only make your fall more terrible, your corruption more complicated, your bad example more disastrous.

The devil was an archangel once; his natural gifts were as far above yours as yours are above those of a chimpanzee. But if you are a poor creature — poisoned by a wretched upbringing in some house full of vulgar jealousies and senseless quarrels — saddled, by no choice of your own, with some loathsome sexual perversion — nagged day in and day out by an inferiority complex that makes you snap at your best friends — do not despair. He knows all about it. You are one of the poor beyond personality whom He blessed. He knows what a wretched machine you are trying to drive. keep on. do what you can. One day (perhaps in another world, but perhaps far sooner than that) he will fling it on the scrap-heap and give you a new one. and then you may astonish us all — not least yourself: for you have learned your driving in a hard school. (Some of the last will be first and some of the first will be last.)

"niceness" — wholesome, integrated personality — is an excellent thing. We must try by every medical, educational, economic, and political means in our power, to produce a world where as many people as possible grow up "nice"; just as we must try to produce a world where all have plenty to eat. But we must not suppose that even if we succeeded in making everyone nice we should have saved their souls. a world of nice people, content in their own niceness, looking no further, turned away from God, would be just as desperately in need of salvation as a miserable world — and might even be more difficult to save.

For mere improvement is not redemption, though redemption always improves people even here and now and will, in the end, improve them to a degree we cannot yet imagine. God became man to turn creatures into sons: not simply to produce better men of the old kind but to produce a new kind of man. It is not like teaching a horse to jump better and better but like turning a horse into a winged creature. Of course, once it has got its wings, it will soar over fences which could never have been jumped and thus beat the natural horse at its own game. But there may be a period, while the wings are just beginning to grow, when it cannot do so: and at that stage the lumps on the shoulders — no one could tell by looking at them that they are going to be wings — may even give it an awkward appearance. But perhaps we have already spent too long on this question." - Excerpt from 'Mere Christianity' by C. S. Lewis

Please understand in the end that our niceness or good works cannot save us, only Jesus can save us. We cannot of ourselves be nice or good enough to enter heaven without having being delivered from our Adamic nature by the power of God's Holy Spirit. For by grace we are saved, not of works.

Techsupport:
Where do you live. Please worry about hunger, fulani herds men, bandits and unknown gun men ravaging you and leave right wing Conspiracy. Those guys live in the richest zip code in the world. They make money fooling people like you by telling you that they are against the elite. Do you know that tucker Carlson is married to a billionaire heir, do you know that Hannity is a multi millionaire or that most of them are Havard trained. But they tell you that the rich are against you while they are the rich. But hey keep drinking the coolaid. The intelligence structure is like a triangle, majority of the population is at the base

I live in Nigeria that is on the west coast of the continent of Africa which is on planet Earth that is located in the Solar system which is in the Milky way galaxy of this universe that is in the mind of God.
Will just my worrying about hunger and the problems closer to me stop them? But should I close my eyes to the "right wing conspiracy" that is and will affect my fellow men and not forewarn them until it too late while this deceitful and ominous intent/plan of evil forces and their agents spread round the world and destroys people? There is more to this vaccine than meets the eye.

We are getting there. Take this sinister vaccine at your own risk. You have been warned.

Take the vaccine now and you will not be able to resist the 'vaccination passport' microchip (Mark of the beast) that will be used to track, control and enable you do business transactions in the coming cashless economy.

Take this vaccine at your own risk. The warnings have been given severally. This vaccine is a precursor to the mark of the beast (the microchip). The devil and his associates have no free gifts to give humanity.

BnQoyyim:
Is Jesus God or Son of God?
Pious mn are called sons of God, Isreal nation are reffered to as the son of God, Solomon is reffered to as the son of God, Angels are reffered to as the son of God in the bibles.

What a a double standard!
What a contradictions!
Anyway, here are among the thousand contradictions in the Bibles:

Who incited David to count the fighting men of Israel?

(a) God did (2 Samuel 24: 1)

(b) Satan did (I Chronicles 2 1:1)

In that count how many fighting men were found in Israel?

(a) Eight hundred thousand (2 Samuel 24:9)

(b) One million, one hundred thousand (IChronicles 21:5)

How many fighting men were found in Judah?

(a) Five hundred thousand (2 Samuel 24:9)

(b) Four hundred and seventy thousand (I Chronicles 21:5)

God sent his prophet to threaten David with how many years of famine?

(a) Seven (2 Samuel 24:13)

(b) Three (I Chronicles 21:12)

How old was Ahaziah when he began to rule over Jerusalem?

(a) Twenty-two (2 Kings 8:26)

(b) Forty-two (2 Chronicles 22:2)

How old was Jehoiachin when he became king of Jerusalem?

(a) Eighteen (2 Kings 24:

(b) Eight (2 Chronicles 36:9)

How long did he rule over Jerusalem?

(a) Three months (2 Kings 24:

(b) Three months and ten days (2 Chronicles 36:9)

The chief of the mighty men of David lifted up his spear and killed how many men at one time?

(a) Eight hundred (2 Samuel 23:

(b) Three hundred (I Chronicles 11: 11)

When did David bring the Ark of the Covenant to Jerusalem? Before defeating the Philistines or after?

(a) After (2 Samuel 5 and 6)

(b) Before (I Chronicles 13 and 14)

How many pairs of clean animals did God tell Noah to take into the Ark?

(a) Two (Genesis 6:19, 20)

(b) Seven (Genesis 7:2). But despite this last instruction only two pairs went into the ark (Genesis 7:8-9)

When David defeated the King of Zobah, how many horsemen did he capture?

(a) One thousand and seven hundred (2 Samuel 8:4)

(b) Seven thousand (I Chronicles 18:4)

How many stalls for horses did Solomon have?

(a) Forty thousand (I Kings 4:26)

(b) Four thousand (2 chronicles 9:25)

In what year of King Asa’s reign did Baasha, King of Israel die?

(a) Twenty-sixth year (I Kings 15:33 – 16:

(b) Still alive in the thirty-sixth year (2 Chronicles 16:1)

How many overseers did Solomon appoint for the work of building the temple?

(a) Three thousand six hundred (2 Chronicles 2:2)

(b) Three thousand three hundred (I Kings 5:16)

Solomon built a facility containing how many baths?

(a) Two thousand (1 Kings 7:26)

(b) Over three thousand (2 Chronicles 4:5)

Of the Israelites who were freed from the Babylonian captivity, how many were the children of Pahrath-Moab?

(a) Two thousand eight hundred and twelve (Ezra 2:6)

(b) Two thousand eight hundred and eighteen (Nehemiah 7:11)

How many were the children of Zattu?

(a) Nine hundred and forty-five (Ezra 2:

(b) Eight hundred and forty-five (Nehemiah 7:13)

How many were the children of Azgad?

(a) One thousand two hundred and twenty-two (Ezra 2:12)

(b) Two thousand three hundred and twenty-two (Nehemiah 7:17)

How many were the children of Adin?

(a) Four hundred and fifty-four (Ezra 2:15)

(b) Six hundred and fifty-five (Nehemiah 7:20)

How many were the children of Hashum?

(a) Two hundred and twenty-three (Ezra 2:19)

(b) Three hundred and twenty-eight (Nehemiah 7:22)

How many were the children of Bethel and Ai?

(a) Two hundred and twenty-three (Ezra 2:28)

(b) One hundred and twenty-three (Nehemiah 7:32)

Ezra 2:64 and Nehemiah 7:66 agree that the total number of the whole assembly was 42,360. Yet the numbers do not add up to anything close. The totals obtained from each book is as follows:

(a) 29,818 (Ezra)

(b) 31,089 (Nehemiah)

How many singers accompanied the assembly?

(a) Two hundred (Ezra 2:65)

(b) Two hundred and forty-five (Nehemiah 7:67)

What was the name of King Abijah’s mother?

(a) Michaiah, daughter of Uriel of Gibeah (2 Chronicles 13:2)

(b) Maachah, daughter of Absalom (2 Chronicles 11:20) But Absalom had only one daughter whose name was Tamar (2 Samuel 14:27)

Did Joshua and the Israelites capture Jerusalem?

(a) Yes (Joshua 10:23, 40)

(b) No (Joshua 15:63)

Who was the father of Joseph, husband of Mary?

(a) Jacob (Matthew 1:16)

(b) Hell (Luke 3:23)

Jesus descended from which son of David?

(a) Solomon (Matthew 1:6)

(b) Nathan(Luke3:31)

Who was the father of Shealtiel?

(a) Jechoniah (Matthew 1:12)

(b) Neri’ (Luke 3:27)

Which son of Zerubbabel was an ancestor of Jesus Christ?

(a) Abiud (Matthew 1: 13)

(b) Rhesa (Luke 3:27) But the seven sons of Zerubbabel are as follows: i.Meshullam, ii. Hananiah, iii. Hashubah, iv. Ohel, v.Berechiah, vi. Hasadiah, viii. Jushabhesed (I Chronicles 3:19, 20). The names Abiud and Rhesa do not fit in anyway.

Who was the father of Uzziah?

(a) Joram (Matthew 1:

(b) Amaziah (2 Chronicles 26:1)

Jesus is the Omnipresent God manifested in flesh; the Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty. (Jer. 23:24, Isaiah 9:6-7, Matt. 1:23, John 1:1-14, Col. 1:15-19, Heb. 1:1-9, 1 Tim. 3:16, Rev. 1:8-11; ch 21:5-7; ch 22:12-16)


So after noting some dissimilarities or what seems like, have you also pointed out the accuracies of the scripture?
'The people who always find what they are looking for in life are the fault finders.' - (quote). They can also find fault with God.

Now what is the point you are driving at with all these references?

BnQoyyim:
These are all quotations devoid of truth. You're yet to site a word from the horse mouth. My question is show me where Jesus himself declared that He's the Lord and savior.

Luke 6:46
"And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?"
Based on your citation above, can you deducts that Jesus is vehemently repudiating lordship, no self-acclaimed of lordship and saviour from the Jesus himself.

All those quotations are devoid of truth? What is the truth then? Did you see clearly also those ones in bold previously?

Jesus said:
"For the Son of man is come to seek and to save that which was lost." - Luke 19:10

"If I then, your Lord and Master, have washed your feet; ye also ought to wash one another's feet." - John 13:14

"For the Son of man is not come to destroy men's lives, but to save them. And they went to another village." - Luke 9:56

"For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved." - John 3:17

"But I receive not testimony from man: but these things I say, that ye might be saved." -John 5:34

"I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture." - John 10:9

"And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world." - John 12:47

What does a Saviour do? He saves.
Jesus came to save us from our sins and its eternal consequences.


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"You tread on my toe and I forgive you, you steal my money and I forgive you. But what should we make of a man, himself unrobbed and untrodden on, who announced that he forgave you for treading on other men's toes and stealing other men's money? Asinine fatuity is the kindest description we should give of his conduct. Yet this is what Jesus did. He told people that their sins were forgiven, and never waited to consult all the other people whom their sins had undoubtedly injured. He unhesitatingly behaved as if He was the party chiefly concerned, the person chiefly offended in all offences. This makes sense only if He really was the God whose laws are broken and whose love is wounded in every sin. In the mouth of any speaker who is not God, these words would imply what I can only regard as a silliness and conceit unrivalled by any other character in history.

Yet (and this is the strange, significant thing) even His enemies, when they read the Gospels, do not usually get the impression of silliness and conceit. Still less do unprejudiced readers. Christ says that He is "humble and meek" and we believe Him; not noticing that, if He were merely a man, humility and meekness are the very last characteristics we could attribute to some of His sayings.

I am trying here to prevent anyone saying the really foolish thing that people often say about Him: "I'm ready to accept Jesus as a great moral teacher, but I don't accept His claim to be God." That is the one thing we must not say. A man who was merely a man and said the sort of things Jesus said would not be a great moral teacher. He would either be a lunatic — on a level with the man who says he is a poached egg — or else he would be the devil of Hell. You must make your choice. Either this man was, and is, the Son of God: or else a madman or something worse. You can shut Him up for a fool, you can spit at Him and kill Him as a demon; or you can fall at His feet and call Him Lord and God. But let us not come with any patronising nonsense about His being a great human teacher. He has not left that open to us. He did not intend to." (Lewis Clive Staples – Mere Christianity.) - ***copied from the book "Mere Christianity" by C. S. Lewis.

BnQoyyim:
Show me in the Bibles, where a son of man (Jesus) addressed himself 'Lord and Savior' and I'll go by your notion and admit whatever you say as nothing but truth.
If you can't, then, you're such an arrant liar, prone to dogmatism called Religion.
Don't be surprise when you end up like the very man in reality.

Jesus Christ is the Lord and Saviour of all men specially of those that believe. (1 Tim. 4:10).
For the Son of man is come to seek and to save that which was lost. - Luke 19:10


Men have called him Lord throughout his time on earth and the ages, and will still call him Lord in eternity. He did also declared himself the Lord, the light of the world, the way, the truth and the life. He is the soon coming King, whose kingdom is not of this world. Do you believe?

Matthew 7:21
Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

Matthew 12:8
For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day.

Matthew 24:42
Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.

Matthew 28:6
He is not here: for he is risen, as he said. Come, see the place where the Lord lay.

Mark 16:19
So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.

Luke 6:46
And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?

John 13:13
Ye call me Master and Lord: and ye say well; for so I am.

John 13:14
If I then, your Lord and Master, have washed your feet; ye also ought to wash one another's feet.

John 20:28
And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.

Philippians 2:11
And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

Luke 2:11
For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord.

John 4:42
And said unto the woman, Now we believe, not because of thy saying: for we have heard him ourselves, and know that this is indeed the Christ, the Saviour of the world.

2 Peter 3:18
But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and for ever. Amen.

1 John 4:14
And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be the Saviour of the world.

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Ephesians 5:1-8 Be ye therefore followers of God, as dear children;
And walk in love, as Christ also hath loved us, and hath given himself for us an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweetsmelling savour.
But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints;
Neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks.
For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.
Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience.
Be not ye therefore partakers with them.
For ye were sometimes darkness, but now are ye light in the Lord: walk as children of light:

Omooba77:
How Can I know When God has left me?

If you have not crossed the line into apostasy as a son of perdition (like Judas who betrayed Jesus and Satan entered into him) or by blaspheming the Spirit of God, God has not left you. Life is a test. Remain strong. This could be your wilderness experience. Don't stop seeking the Lord while He may be found.

The scriptures also says:
'Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.
It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.' - Hebrews 10:29-31

MaxInDHouse:
Guy, Jesus and Paul used the word "fools" and this has to do with matters you need to understand. Matthew 23:17; Galatians 3:1
So instead of picking up words out of context why not face the topic of discussion?
If you truly know the Holy Spirit, you shouldn't find it difficult to present a group where Mr Holy Spirit is actively working and the result of the works of Mr Holy Spirit. James 2:18-26
Jehovah's Witnesses say it's God's active force and the whole world can SEE the works of God's active force as only JWs are zealously preaching and industriously teaching in all their neighbourhood globally, they've settled all racial disputes in their midst when people like you claiming you know Mr Holy Spirit can't help it but raise weapons against your fellow believers in other countries!
Sorry it's "by their FRUITS" that Jesus said not what their claims! Matthew 7:16-18
So if you can't present a gathering where people can see the works of God's Holy Spirit, then what assurance is there that you truly have the knowledge regarding Holy Spirit?

It is well. You can have the last word but the point is made clear and if you close your eyes to it, it will be to your detriment. "Eternity is too long to be wrong."

I am not here to promote/exalt organisations for such will be thrust down to hell if they do not repent (Luke 10:10-16 KJV). I do not glory in man but in the Lord (2 Cor. 10:15-18, Jer. 9:23-24). You may keep up with your 'works' or 'fruits' that you believe only your organisation has. "But God forbid that I should glory, save in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom the world is crucified unto me, and I unto the world.
For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature.
And as many as walk according to this rule, peace be on them, and mercy, and upon the Israel of God.
From henceforth let no man trouble me: for I bear in my body the marks of the Lord Jesus." - Galatians 6:14-17

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MaxInDHouse:
Let me enlighten you on the highlighted that you misconstrued for unrighteousness among JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES.

Jesus used this statement for the Jewish religious leaders of his day who always appear godly before their countrymen but are full of hatred for their fellow worshipers in the same temple! Luke 18:11

But in this case you're referring to a global family of peace loving worshipers from different races all across the world {Micah 4:1-3} they have successfully impressed in the hearts of millions the love for God and neighbours {Mark 12:28-31} so JWs will find the time to pay their neighbours a visit even in this period when everyone is running up and down just to make ends meet {Matthew 10:11-13 compare to Malachi 3:16} they will never raise weapons against their fellowman {Matthew 26:52} they have vowed never to enroll in any paramilitary course {Romans 12:18} and throughout the world they're known for their decency! Matthew 5:13-16

So all these qualities: LOVE, JOY, PEACE, PATIENCE, GOODNESS, GENTLENESS, FAITH, MILDNESS and SELF-CONTROL {Galatians 5:22-23} and you just assume these people who have come from different races throughout the earth are simply pretending shey?

So please tell this forum what people should expect to see before they can be assured that they've seen God's chosen people? Matthew 7:16-18 and John 13:34-35
My friend, mind what you will say against God's people because if you're seeing fine works in the midst of just one group throughout the earth and there is no nation where people complained that JWs from there are different from their members in other lands yet you can't PRESENT any other performing group, then it means you are blaspheming God's Holy Spirit whose work you're condemning in the midst of imperfect humans like you! Matthew 12:31-32

I see the love you have towards others that made you call them 'mumu', 'fools', etc.

You would only see what you want to see and highlight and focus on it while tactically avoiding other matters/questions raised.

JWs are the only ones that love peace? They are the only ones that have the qualities of the Spirit of God? It is alright. Keep defending your organisation and claim the right to be [the only] God's chosen people here on earth. The end will tell.

I wonder who is blaspheming against the Spirit of God -the Spirit of God you don't believe is a Person on His own but just an "active force", yet He does things, teaches, speaks and directs, etc. Who is the blasphemer here?

How can you really exhibit the qualities of the Spirit of God when you don't have Him dwelling in you by the process of a new birth into the family of God and having His nature as a son (child) of God? You guys may not all pretend but you will still struggle with right living because it is not yet your new nature in Christ.
"For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together." - Romans 8:14-17, (Gal. 4:3-7)

Like I have told you, your works however good or fine, cannot save you only Jesus, the Son of God, can save you and bring you into the kingdom of God, his Father.

Works beget reward not salvation. If there is still an atom of unconfessed or unforgiven sin in one's life at the end of it, such a person will not make it into the kingdom of God thereby losing his reward also.

All judgement is committed unto the Son of God, Jesus Christ (John 5:21-27), so if you think it is by your commendation of yourselves among yourselves that will earn you a place in God's kingdom, you will be greatly disappointed on that day. You should seek for the mercy of God and ask for His grace to really become one of His and to truly live right in His sight so that you will be counted worthy by the Lord on that day (Jude vs 21-25). May God help you in Jesus name. Amen.

MaxInDHouse:
@ franklytrue

Next time you're jumping into a person's comment don't rush to mention any group name, go straight to what you want to point out! you foolishly mentioned the name "JWs" but now you can't PRESENT any better performing group rather you're now saying the group is raising themselves above you.
Aren't you the one who mentioned the group when you're supposed to point out what you want to say!

Better performing group? It is just that: "performance" - outward show but within are full of dead men's bones (Matt. 23:26-28). There are denominations which are doing greater works than JWs, even greater works that you guys don't believe is still possible in this generation because you believe miracles, healings, gifts of the Spirit ended with the apostles of Jesus then [thereby limiting the power of God - 2 Tim 3:5-7 KJV]; greater works of the spread of the true gospel of Jesus Christ, and wonderful charitable works but I am not here to promote my group or any other but the Lord Jesus Christ, the King of glory, the King of kings and the Lord of Lords who is coming back again very soon.

MaxInDHouse:
Guy it will always be Interpretation against Interpretation, so don't rush to conclusion thinking the other person is wrong.
Consider other factors because the Bible wasn't written in English and the Jews amongst whom Jesus grew speaks a lot in Proverbs.
So after reading the scriptures we need to sit down and meditate on what we find in the book. I quoted verses for you saying death is the capital punishment for sin, God never said anything will happen after Adam's death and if Adam will not really die please who then is the real LIAR between God and Satan? Genesis 3:1-5

So instead of jumping to conclusion when you hear something new or strange try to find out if it's true or not, i also believe in HellFire before until i began taking a second look at the scriptures from the beginning remembering that Jesus said so many things in PARABLES!

Jesus was talking to the Pharisees when he related the parable of Lazarus and the rich man, i was taught the meaning and i believe it because it correlates with all other scriptures.

If you want to know i can share it with you but you just need to calm down first to hear what others have to say instead of concluding that HellFire adherents are right while others are wrong!

Meanwhile of all the religions on this planet the same JWs that beleive in the New Word Translation are the first and foremost in the preaching and teaching work commissioned by Jesus Christ. They're doing it as if their life depends on it, they're known for the love amongst them, they're the most peaceable and peaceloving group globally.
So rushing to conclusion that they are wrong simply because they're not following the conventional Hellfire doctrine whereas they're well known for their LOVE, JOY, PEACE, PATIENCE, GOODNESS, GENTLENESS, FAITH, MILDNESS and SELF-CONTROL makes you sound really myopic in your reasoning!

The Bible wasn't written in English but you have concluded that "Hell" simply means "grave" as an English translator, when different context of scripture do not imply so, for it is still a place of activity.
And if you meditate well on the original version or words of scripture, and not your corrupted Watchtower version, you will see that after death for man, things still happen because man is a spirit, having a soul and living in a body. The spirit returns back to God who gave it (the same is not said of animals when they die for God did not breathe into any one of them); the saints will stand before the judgment seat of Christ to receive their reward (2 Cor. 5:6-10); the unrighteous dead will stand before the great white throne judgement seat of God to receive their reward also (Rev. 20:11-21)

Adam died (was spiritually estranged from God) the same day he ate the fruit. The physical separation from his body happened hundreds of years later.
So if physical death was the capital punishment of sin then it means every one who has died was a sinner, isn't it (Rom. 5:12-21 KJV)? So why would God "select" some to resurrect? Is it not partiality then? Do you even SELECT what has gone into extinction at the time of death?

When Apostle Paul wrote that he died daily (1 Cor 15:31 KJV) what do you think he meant? You only limit the word 'death' to extinction.
There is a natural body and there is a spiritual body (1 Cor. 15:44 KJV), so also there is physical death and spiritual death. This kingdom of God you guys preach that you want to be a part of, do you think you can inherit it with your [corruptible] flesh and blood? (1 Cor. 15:50 KJV)

Jesus told so many things in parables but did he specifically tell you or you were specifically told in the scriptures that the story of Lazarus and the rich man was a parable? And also the story of the good Samaritan and that of the prodigal son and some others like that?

These peace loving but self deceiving people are well known by who for what? Not by me or a great many others anyways.
'For we commend not ourselves again unto you, but give you occasion to glory on our behalf, that ye may have somewhat to answer them which glory in appearance, and not in heart.' - 2 Corinthians 5:12

Have you guys had a change of heart or you just try to behave decently before people? How can you show forth the nature or fruit of the Spirit of God that you don't have in you by a new birth and adoption into the family of God?

'For we dare not make ourselves of the number, or compare ourselves with some that commend themselves: but they measuring themselves by themselves, and comparing themselves among themselves, are not wise.
But we will not boast of things without our measure, but according to the measure of the rule which God hath distributed to us, a measure to reach even unto you.' - 2 Corinthians 10:12-13

Luke 16:15 ' And he said unto them, Ye are they which justify yourselves before men; but God knoweth your hearts: for that which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God.'

Your good "works" cannot save you or grant you access into God's kingdom because your righteousness are as filthy rags. Only Jesus can save you, cleanse you with his precious blood and commend you into the glorious and everlasting kingdom of his Father as a good and faithful servant at the end of your life here on earth when you acknowledge his sacrifice on the cross for you, repent and then accept and confess him as your Lord and Saviour (Acts 4:12, 1 John 1:7-10, Matt. 25:21-46, Rom. 10:3-13)

MaxInDHouse:
First of all the quotations you're banking on things Jesus said in parables {Matthew 13:13, 34-35 compare to Psalms 72:8} so if you don't know how to correlate scriptures you can't understand Jesus' words!
Lazarus and the rich man is a Parable not a life story!

So what does a parable mean? Do you mean Jesus was fabricating stories like we do? Stories like tortoise and the elephant? And so what does the "parable" of Lazarus mean or was Jesus teaching us a lie by telling a story of life beyond the grave?
What does the "parable" of the good Samaritan teach apart from what is understood there literally. What does the "parable" of the prodigal son teach? (And many more) Something totally different from what is literally understood by the UNFABRICATED STORIES of Jesus Christ or something else entirely? Jesus used living examples not fables, not tales by moonlight.

The Bible did not call the story of Lazarus and the rich man a parable. I wonder why you jump to that conclusion. From where Jesus was talking about the sin of adultery, he moved to the story of Lazarus. There was A CERTAIN beggar named Lazarus, NOT a fictitious beggar. This was a known person!

I'm talking about how people treat criminals which Jesus likens to what will happen to unrepentant wrongdoers. As for sin the capital punishment is physical death {Genesis 2:17} so at death all sinners have paid fully for their evil {Romans 6:7} the only thing God now does for selected dead ones is resurrection!

As death was the capital punishment for everyone who died, that means every single who has died was a sinner? Why would God then raise some selected ones back to life? Partiality?
The problem is that you don't understand what death means according to scriptures, right there from Genesis.
See:

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Now death is not a going into extinction but a separation from life --life from the earth or life from God.
- Physical death is a complete separation of the spirit and soul from the body when the silver cord is loosed as a man gives up the ghost (Ecc. 12:6-7, Matt. 27:50, Luke 16:22-31).
- Spiritual death is a separation (estrangement) of man from God because of sin/disobedience (Eph. 2:1,5, Col. 2:13, Gen.2:17, Rom. 7:9-14; ch 5:12-21).
- The second death in the Lake of fire is everlasting and irreconcilable separation from God for all eternity (Rev. 2:11; ch 19:20; ch 20:10-15; ch 21:8 )

You talk about correlating scriptures when you don't understand the context through the inspiration of God. The letter kills but the spirit gives life (2 Cor. 3:6). The problem you will keep having is reading from a corrupted version of scriptures as that edited by your Watchtower organisation. We cannot be on the same page or have the same understanding when we are not reading the same original version of scripture, and not an adulterated one like the Watchtower's.

At death all sinners have paid fully for their wrongdoings {Romans 6:7} the only thing God now does for selected dead ones is resurrection, this is what God will not give Adam, Eve and other wilful wrongdoers!

Romans 6:6-7, 11 "Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
For he that is dead is freed from sin.
Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord."
To be dead in sin is different from being dead to sin. The living saints of God are dead (separated from sin, living in holiness) TO sin while sinners even though physically alive, are dead IN sin (separated from the Holy God, stuck there, wasting away in sin)
Those verses of scriptures are not talking about physical death. Read the whole chapter well and not just pick out a verse that you think supports your misunderstanding of scriptures.

The judgment here is not about what they did before their first death because death is the capital punishment for all their past deeds, they've paid for their former wrongdoings with DEATH! Romans 6:7,23
The second death is about what they will later choose to do after their resurrection in Paradise after they've been given the opportunity to hear about Jesus!

Where did you get the bolded from scriptures? Twisting and turning the scriptures, adding and subtracting to it --the people who do that have no part in the book of life and the holy city. (Rev. 22:18-19)

MaxInDHouse:
You're a real clown!
The highlighted is about the fruit of God's Holy Spirit. If truly you KNOW anything about God's Holy Spirit is it just about blind and worthless arguments or presentation of the WORKS in the midst of believers?

Foolish Churchgoer!

Paul listed the attributes of God's Holy Spirit as LOVE, JOY, PEACE, PATIENCE, GOODNESS, GENTLENESS, FAITH, MILDNESS, and SELF-CONTROL! Galatians 5:22-23

Can you remind me of any Organization of worshipers where people know that members
© Truly have LOVE among themselves?
© JOYFULLY practice their faith globally?
© Are PEACEFUL and peaceloving everywhere?
© PATIENT with their lifestyle?
© Are known as GOOD citizens?
© GENTLE as they preach and teach?
© Have strong FAITH that's uniquely different?
© MILD in all what they do?
© Have SELF-CONTROL in the society?

Just mention one religious group that's ahead of JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES in all of this.
But to a fool like you they don't know the Holy Spirit yet all these WORKS in their midst! James 2:18-26

Hurling insults doesn't change the truth.

James 3:9-10 "Therewith bless we God, even the Father; and therewith curse we men, which are made after the similitude of God.
Out of the same mouth proceedeth blessing and cursing. My brethren, these things ought not so to be."

The fruit of the Spirit: the attributes of the Spirit, and if you have the Holy Spirit in you wouldn't you show forth these attributes?
"Who is a wise man and endued with knowledge among you? let him shew out of a good conversation his works with meekness of wisdom.
But if ye have bitter envying and strife in your hearts, glory not, and lie not against the truth..." - James 3:13-18

You have probably been to every other organisation on earth both small and large, remote and reachable, and seen how they are faring, right?
"Let another man praise thee, and not thine own mouth; a stranger, and not thine own lips." - Proverbs 27:2
"And he said unto them, Ye are they which justify yourselves before men; but God knoweth your hearts: for that which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God." - Luke 16:15

The kind of people that praise/justify themselves like the pharisee did in prayer before God against the publican, but who was justified? - Luke 18:10-14
You will only speak for yourself on the day of judgement and not your organisation for you know not what some of your members do in secret. You look on the outward appearance but God looks on the heart. - 1 Sam. 16:17, (Matt. 23:23-28).
"Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment." - John 7:24. But how can you judge all others when you have not all seen them, neither are you omniscient?

MaxInDHouse:
Grave means a place of inactivity so when God's word says fallen angels were cast into a place of inactivity it simply means they're no longer part of his loyal spirit sons, therefore they're uninformed further about what angels are doing as assignments in heaven. That's why they began coming to the earth to mingle with humans who now sends them on errands and engage them to carry out witchcraft, magic, sorcery and other spiritistic acts.
That's what seems like torments for them!

Grave: a place of inactivity where the worms do not die and the fire is not quenched? (Mark 9:44)
Grave: a place of inactivity where the rich man lifted up his eyes, being in torment and sees Abraham afar off, had desires and made pleas? (Luke 16:22-31)
Grave: a place of inactivity where those fallen angels are under chains of darkness and reserved unto judgement (2 Pet. 2:4) but still go on diabolic errands for some human beings?
These ones have the liberty of coming to the earth and be used by humans and that is what seems like torments to them? Wouldn't they just stop mingling with humans therefore? Or rather they are the ones tormenting humans gleefully with all sorts of wickedness, pain and sufferings in the earth?

Fire connotes destruction. In Jerusalem there was a wall where carcasses of dead animals and rubbish are thrown. Israelites often throw the bodies of condemned criminals since such criminals aren't expected during resurrection but good people are laid gently in their graves.
So Jesus likens the judgment of unrepentant evildoers to such conditions, God will not remember evildoers unlike good people who will be resurrected.

So only good people are now laid gently in the graves while all the bad people even if they are rulers, are cast away at the rubbish dump? Show me where in scriptures Jesus likened the judgment of unrepentant sinners to such conditions. God remembers the deeds of the wicked and though hands join in hands the sinner shall not be unpunished. (Pro. 11:21, etc)

Casting indicates the desire of the one handling the object, God is the one handling the hope of all humans so Jesus used the word cast to show how God feels about unrepentant wrongdoers, they're dead for good with no hope of a resurrection! Matthew 10:28

"Casting indicates the desire of the one handling the object..." that is how you begin to give words a different meaning from what is meant. The wicked ones will also be resurrected to receive their punishment.

John 5:29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.
Acts 24:15-16 And have hope toward God, which they themselves also allow, that there shall be a resurrection of the dead, both of the just and unjust.
And herein do I exercise myself, to have always a conscience void of offence toward God, and toward men.
Hebrews 6:2 Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment.

There is a first resurrection and there is a second resurrection. The dead will be judged according to their works and whosoever was not found written in the book of life will be cast into the lake of fire where the devil, the beast and false prophet also will be cast into, and they shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever. (Rev. 20:10-15)

MaxInDHouse:
HELL simply means GRAVE but since you don't know that Jesus never spoke English language you may continue spewing gibberish!

Mumu!
Out of all the HELLFIRE religious believers which one is as peaceful, peaceloving and obedient like JWs? Matthew 7:16-18

Hell simply means grave? You have not answered my previous question: was it into the grave that God cast those angels that sinned?

And since you knew he did not speak English then, you deem it fit that he was simply referring to hell as the grave, when in all the context of scriptures everywhere it is not reasonable to assume so? Is there a fire in the grave too?

What does it mean to cast in biblical context? Does "cast" mean to gently place something somewhere or to throw it violently there (the way demons are casted out)?
Do you cast (hurl) people into the grave or you gently place them there usually inside a coffin or a kind of wrapping that Jesus did not make mention of when talking about casting into hell?


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Your tongue is what spews gibberish and if not controlled it will be set on fire of hell (James 3:6)
"But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire." - Matthew 5:22

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You mean of religious believers, which one is as hypocritical and pharisaical as (most) JWs --turning a blind eye to scriptures, blind leaders of the blind, twisting the truth of scriptures with a largely edited JW version, skillfully evading certain questions while claiming to be Bible scholars along with the stories of cover ups of what goes on within your organisation?

You praise your organisation much but know that for the fruit of the Spirit [Gal. 5:22](whom you don't believe in His person) that you don't bear which you claim to, you will be cast into the fire. May God grant you a change of heart before it is too late.

"Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire." - Matthew 7:19 (Matthew ch 3:10; ch 13:42; ch 25:30)

MaxInDHouse:
Two destinations awaits Adam and Eve but they have to choose which between the two they will go for.
Continue obeying God and live forever, choose to rebel against Him and return to dust. Genesis 2:17 compare to Matthew 7:13-14
There is no third option like HellFire in God's setting!

You think these eternal destinations of man are just options on a menu that he can choose from as he likes? Jesus spoke many times about hell. The other disciples too wrote about hell and hell fire.

"And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life with one eye, rather than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire." - Matthew 18:9

I do not know how you think about the eternal destinations of the rich man and Lazarus that Jesus spoke about. God is not pleased with the death of a sinner. He is not willing that any should perish but that all come to repentance. This God of love is also a righteous God of judgement. This God of peace is also a God of vengeance. Don't be myopic in your view of God.

2 Peter 2:4 says: 'For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment'. Read further to verse 12.

Was it into the grave that God cast those angels that sinned as the verse above says? They were chained in hell. Other evil angels were not chained as these were. They still operate with some permission - these principalities and powers, rulers of the darkness of this world, spiritual wickedness in high places.

If you want to remain deceived and be deceiving others that there is no hell as some of the doctrines which JW's have received from demons, so that people can live lackadaisically because they think they will just vanish after their evil lifestyle here on earth, then you will have yourselves to blame when the Lord Jesus tells you on that day: '"...Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels"...And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.' - Matthew 25:41-46

The antichrist's Agenda 2030 like the 'Tower of Babel' will be cut short before it is fully established and the Kingdom of God shall reign on earth. God created everything in six days and rested on the seventh day. It is already about 6000 years since the time of creation. Christ will come back again and reign for a 1000 years, which is equivalent to the seventh day rest of God as in the beginning. "...one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day." - 2 Pet. 3:8

The King of kings, Jesus Christ, is coming back again and after that He shall reign for evermore as God makes a new heaven and a new earth. (2 Pet. 3:13, Rev. 21:1-7)

A civil war is coming to Nigeria this last quarter of the year 2021 into 2020. It will not be averted. Pray, plan and prepare to go into hiding before then. It is not everything we see that is ordinary. The antichrist is involved. The world is rounding up and there will be no year 2030. Jesus is coming very very soon in this present generation. Will you be ready when the Lord shall come?

CanadaCars:
The bible teaches that eternity is God's gift Rom. 6:23. The wicked ones does not get this gift, so there is no eternity for the unfaithful ones. God told Adam that if he disobeys that he will die, and God told us the meaning of death in the bible when He said to Adam from dust you are and to dust you shall return for disobeying me. Gen. 3:19.
So Adam at death went back to the state that he was before he was created, which is the state on non-existence, this is the meaning of death. Today Adam is not in hell neither is he anywhere, he just doesn't exist. This is the same with all of us when we die we go back to this state of non-existence, the state we were in before we were born.
This is where the power of the resurrection by God comes in, God will bring the dead back to life by means of the resurrection, Acts 24:15..
This is the truth the bible teaches, the belief that something in us survives our death is unscriptural and has its root in pagan worship.

These are the lies you have been taught as a JW where words are twisted, replaced or omitted from the scriptures.

Eternity is different from Eternal life even though they are both everlasting.
Eternity is time without end while eternal life is the God kind of life of love, peace, joy, etc, that is given as a gift to repentant sinners (who become new creatures, children/sons of God - 2 Cor. 5:17-21, Rom. 8:14, 1 John 3:1-2) wherewith they would spend eternity with Him

The "gift of God" is eternal life NOT eternity. This gift is an experiential knowledge of God, knowledge and life of the divine nature of God which is imparted to a man who acknowledges, genuinely repents, confesses his sins and accepts Jesus Christ as his Lord and Saviour from death and hell to which he was already condemned to, because of sin (John 17:3; 2 Pet. 1:4, Rom. 10:8-13, John 3:19; ch 5:24)

Now death is not a going into extinction but a separation from life --life from the earth or life from God.
- Physical death is a complete separation of the spirit and soul from the body when the silver cord is loosed as a man gives up the ghost (Ecc. 12:6-7, Matt. 27:50, Luke 16:22-31).
- Spiritual death is a separation (estrangement) of man from God because of sin/disobedience (Eph. 2:1,5, Col. 2:13, Gen.2:17, Rom. 7:9-14; ch 5:12-21).
- The second death in the Lake of fire is everlasting and irreconcilable separation from God for all eternity (Rev. 2:11; ch 19:20; ch 20:10-15; ch 21:8 )

You imply that Adam went back to the "state" he was before creation and that "state" is a state of nonexistence. A "state" is a thing or condition. Nonexistence is not a "state" for it does not exist (or no longer exists) or how else does God BRING the dead BACK to life if they have become nonexistent?
Is it still a BRINGING BACK TO LIFE if they have become nonexistent or it is a RECREATION then? Or is it rather a reuniting of the soul with its body?

What is the essence of bringing sinners back to life again and sending them into nonexistence as punishment/reward for their sins? (John 5:28-29, Acts 24:15, Rom. 6:23a, ch 5:12; ch 7:9) or does it mean that everybody, even the righteous ones, who have died here on earth have received their wages as sinners as Rom. 6:23 says, since "death" is the wages of sin?

The soul is not a body. It is in a body (of a man). There is a physical body and there is a spiritual body (1 Cor. 15:44). Christ's soul as a man was not left in hell neither did his flesh see corruption though he went and preached to the spirits in prison (Acts 2:31, 1 Pet. 3:19). The flesh (body), soul and spirit are not referring to the same thing (1 Thess. 5:23)

God CREATED man in His own image but He FORMED man's body from the dust of the ground and breathed (what He had already created in His own image) into him (the body of dust) the breath of life and man became a living soul (Gen. 1:27 and ch 2:7)