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Do you know those who will be taken in the Rapture unto the marriage supper of the Lamb?

[1] It is those who walk (relate) with God (Gen. 17:1, Matt. 5:43-48, Rev. 3:4)
[2] It is those who are watching and praying concerning His coming (Luke 21:36, Heb. 9:28, Tit. 2:13, Mark 13:32-37)
[3] It is the bride of Christ
~ the bride who has accepted the conditions of marriage and is sealed (Rev. 7:3, Rom. 10:8-13, Eph. 1:13-14)

~ the bride who is {spiritually} matured (Rev.14:15-16, Titus 2:12, Eph. 4:12-13)

~ the bride who keeps her garment clean (Heb. 9:28a, Rev. 16:15, Rev. 19:8, 1 John 3:7, Titus 2:14)

~ the bride who has her lamp filled with oil (Matt. 25:1-13, Luke 12:35, Eph. 5:18)

~ the bride who is expecting Jesus Christ, the bridegroom (Luke 12:36-40, Heb. 9:28b, Matt. 25:13, Tit. 2:13)

~ the bride who has made herself ready (Rev. 19:7, Matt. 22:11-12; ch 25:10, Luke 12:40)

Enoch walked with God and he was not, for God took him (Gen. 5:24)
Elijah walked with God and God took him (2 Kings 2:11)

How have we been relating with Christ? He is our first love (Rev. 2:4). He is coming back for His beloved bride. Are you a part of His bride? Do you want to be a part? Ask God for this grace.

Addendum:
You know who this bride is? She is one who is ready to forsake her former place of abode and family and live with her husband (Matt. 19:28-30; ch 16:24-27, Heb.11:10,16). She does not cling to this world and become materialistic. She does not love the things of this world anymore. She seek for things above, for that is where her treasures are (Luke 12:15, 1 John 2:15-17, Col. 3:1-4, Luke 12:21,34)

What are other qualities of those who will be taken at the Rapture you know?

FirstSon01:
what sin have you seen a day old commit before??
be logical.....
just cause your bible said all have seen you want to push the agenda that day olds sin??

A day old has not sinned (yet). He/she is 'innocent until proven guilty'. The sin nature is within the baby but has not started manifesting yet. It is easy for an infant to start learning bad behaviour because it is more inclined in that direction. The heart of man is desperately wicked. We were all born in sin, just like new products being formed from a dented cast/mold.

The first humans, Adam and Eve, sinned and became "deformed", and estranged from God and that deformity/separation from God passed to all their descendants.


Your talk about not needing God is because you do not yet understand that He is the source and sustainer of your existence.

The unregenerated heart has not known the beauty and awesomeness of God, and its desperate need of Him that is why you think you don't need Him.

Sin has spoiled many things in this life but God has made a way of redemption through His Son and He will restore all things soon. He will make a new heaven and a new earth where righteousness, peace, joy, and every good thing is.

Do you need air, water, food, etc for your body? Your soul and spirit need God for those things the earthly materials cannot satisfy or give --the pain, emptiness, uncertainty, inner stability, assurance, peace, etc in life.

You were created for a loving relationship with God and you do not yet know how wonderful that relationship with God is until you experience it, though you may only pursue a pleasant relationship with the opposite sex, but that with God is so much more greater, rewarding and satisfying.

Kobojunkie:
I am afraid you are still responding to a different post and not any of what I have in facts stated so far.

As much as I thought. You have nothing to do with the Lord Jesus Christ. You just go about quoting him and talking about obeying his commandments. A simple question you would not answer.

Are we not commanded to thank, praise and worship God. Did Jesus not say to worship God? If it was commanded since the old times and Jesus did not come to destroy the law but to fulfil it, what say you any better than the scriptures?

'Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.' - Matthew 4:10

What does it mean to worship God (worth ship). How do you worship God?
Does worship not also involve songs -though not only? The angels and heavenly beings worship God. We are commanded to worship God. You are just a 'false prophet' parading as an angel of light; an author of confusion.

'Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.' - Matthew 5:17-18

One more time, Who is this Jesus Christ to you? Is He your Lord and Saviour? YES or NO? If you don't answer this now then we have no common ground to discuss any further on this matter because you might as well be a demon in human flesh and set in rebellion and deceit.

"Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost." - 1 Corinthians 12:3

"If any man love not the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be Anathema Maranatha." - 1 Corinthians 16:22

Kobojunkie:
Why do refuse to read what is posted so you can go on and on saying nothing in the end.

Jesus Christ didn't call you to accept the doctrines and traditions that others follow. Instead, you are called to accept(trust) and obey the teachings/commandments of Jesus Christ regardless of what everyone else does.

Jesus Christ never gave you any commandments regarding the singing of or dancing to songs, so as far as His commandments are concerned, you singing and dancing are not acts of obedience and so should not be construed as such. What that means is You can dance and sing in whatever way you want and to whatever songs you like too. This won't and doesn't impact your relationship with God. What impacts your relationship is your obedience and this of the commandments He has given you .

'And one of them, when he saw that he was healed, turned back, and with a loud voice glorified God,
And fell down on his face at his feet, giving him thanks: and he was a Samaritan.
And Jesus answering said, Were there not ten cleansed? but where are the nine?
There are not found that returned to give glory to God, save this stranger.' - Luke 17:15-18

So we are also not commanded to give glory to God, to thank, praise and worship Him?
Disobedience on your part?

I would ask only ask you one more time this question I have asked you a while ago which you keep refusing to answer: Who is Jesus Christ to you?

If you cannot answer that, it only shows how much of a deceiver you are, claiming to obey the commandments of Jesus Christ who you do not know. It is of such people the Lord will tell on that day: depart from Me, I know you not.

Kobojunkie:
Jesus Christ never gave His followers any commands that have to do with singing songs to God, nor did He instruct that songs of praises be erected in His name. So all una gospel songs might as well be considered false under doctrines and traditions of men as far as His teaching is concerned. And we know that Jesus Christ warned against such vain worship.

God no give special sanctions to "gospel songs", so all your songs have to do with this world and not His kingdom.

Almost always disputing others.

The new life in Christ is not just about following commands like in a military zone or like a robot. It is a relationship - a reverent relationship with the Lord Jesus Christ, with the Godhead, of which I doubt you have. It is "worth ship". The Lord is worthy of our praise and adoration.

David sang and danced before the Lord almost naked and his wife, Michal, despised him in her heart. You may know what happened to her afterwards.
Jesus sang hymns with his disciples (Matt. 26:30). He left us an example that we should follow his steps. We are told in scriptures to praise the Lord, to rejoice always, and how do we that? Is it with a straight face, sealed lips and motionless body?

The angels and other beings in heaven praise and worship God. Several instances are there also in the old testament beside the Psalms and before the time of David, where people praised the Lord.

'And he appointed certain of the Levites to minister before the ark of the LORD, and to record, and to thank and praise the LORD God of Israel' - 1 Chronicles 16:4

'For in the days of David and Asaph of old there were chief of the singers, and songs of praise and thanksgiving unto God.' - Nehemiah 12:46

'And a voice came out of the throne, saying, Praise our God, all ye his servants, and ye that fear him, both small and great.
And I heard as it were the voice of a great multitude, and as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of mighty thunderings, saying, Alleluia: for the Lord God omnipotent reigneth.
Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready.' - Revelation 19:5-7

I wonder the gospel you are following, maybe it is "another gospel" (2 Cor. 11:4, Gal. 1:6-24) because you usually hit against the epistle of Paul as if he was not a disciple (Apostle) of Jesus Christ as Peter, James and John were, who also wrote epistles admonishing us to honour, praise, worship and glorify God.

It may well be said that some of these 'gospel songs' are not inspired by the Spirit of God and do not really honour God in truth and in spirit, but it doesn't rule out the fact that we are admonished, even commanded to thank, praise, honour and worship God.

The warnings are out there but some people don't listen. They disregard many things as just tales.
This particular vaccine is not ordinary. It is evil! It is an endtime tool. It is a forerunner to the microchip (mark of the beast). Be warned!

naptu2:
You need to brush up on your conspiracy theories.

Conspiracy you think?
Open your eyes people. Open your eyes.

Multitudes in the valley of decision. The stage is set. Creation is watching. The underground work is being done. Behind the scene is a battle between light and darkness, good and evil. Take the vaccine and the microchip, and pledge your allegiance to the beast or lose your life for Christ's sake and save it (Mark 8:35-38)

naptu2:
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

By the way, are you waiting for a message from Q?

Who/what is Q?

ny1234:
Anyone lining up to take this vaccine is literally a lab rat for the experimental therapy called COVID19 vaccine. It has been revealed severally that COVID19 has not been scientifically isolated in a lab, purified or shown to exist. What we see today is media propaganda and redesignation of flu cases. How do you create a vaccine for a virus that has not been scientifically isolated? How do you produce a vaccine within a year after the alleged virus outbreak? What they call COVID19 vaccine doesn't qualify as a vaccine. Take it at your own risk and remember that the government will not take the blame for any harm done to you as a result of this vaccine.

May God save Nigeria

naptu2:
Yes, there will still be a need for face masks for a while. The vaccines don't stop you from getting the virus, but they stop you from getting sick. You can get the vaccine and not fall sick, but you can still spread the virus to others if you don't wear a face mask.

*A thousand and one questions Nigerians ask their government as vaccine arrives*���

●"If I get vaccinated can I stop wearing a mask(s)?"

Goverment: "NO"

●"If I get vaccinated will the restaurants, bars, schools, fitness clubs, hair salons, etc. reopen and will people be able to get back to work like normal?

Government: "NO"

●"If I get vaccinated will I be resistant to Covid?"

Government: "Maybe. We don't know exactly, but probably not."

●"If I get vaccinated, at least I won't be contagious to others - right?"

Government: "NO. the vaccine doesn’t stop transmission."

●"If I get vaccinated, how long will the vaccine last?"

Government: "No one knows. All Covid "vaccines" are still in the experimental stage."

● "If I get vaccinated, can I stop social distancing?"

Government: "NO"

● "If my parents, grandparents and myself all get vaccinated can we hug each other again?"

Government: "NO"

● "So what's the benefit of getting vaccinated?"

Government: "Hoping that the virus won't kill you."

●"Are you sure the vaccine won't injure or kill me?"

Government: "NO"

●"If statistically the virus won't kill me (99.7% survival rate), why should I get vaccinated?"

Government: "To protect others."

●"So if I get vaccinated, I can protect 100% of people I come in contact with?"

Government: "NO"

● "If I experience a severe adverse reaction, long term effects (still unknown) or die from the vaccine will I (or my family) be compensated from the vaccine manufacturer or the Government?"

Government: "NO - the government and vaccine manufacturers have 100% zero liability regarding this experimental drug"

So to summarize, the Covid19 "vaccine"...
Does not provide immunity
Does not eliminate the virus
Does not prevent death
Does not guarantee you won’t get it
Does not stop you from passing it on to others
Does not eliminate the need for travel bans
Does not eliminate the need for business closures
Does not eliminate the need for lockdowns
Does not eliminate the need for masking

Question:
So what does the vaccine do?

NIGERIANS BE WISE
*copied and truncated*

Evil vaccine.
From vaccine to microchip (Mark of the beast)
ID2020

We live in a time when anyone can be blinded to the truth. We do not always see the big picture, the real perspective from God's omniscient view. We are a generation in history (His story) but do not always realise that we are writing our own story or have it written for us; a story like what was written for those who had passed on before us generations ago; a story that will be counted worthy or not, to be recounted from the archives of heaven.

Where are the 'Abrahams', 'Isaacs', 'Jacobs', 'Josephs', 'Davids', 'Esthers', 'Deborahs', 'Peters', 'Pauls', etc, of our time? This is not to say we should become like them --for no man is our role model only Jesus Christ, but as their stories were written, so will ours. We must all go through tests, trials and temptations and may not always understand why yet (Job 23:10, John 16:33, Acts 14:22, Rev. 2:10-11). Nothing else that did not originate from God will matter in all eternity. Living for Jesus is what matters. This life is preparation for the next.

We do not pursue God and His will but the world and its ways. We pursue and focus on the temporary benefits/rewards in this world and forget or take light the eternal rewards in the world to come (Matt. 16:26-27, Luke 12:15). What shall it profit us to gain the whole world and the applause of men but not the commendation of the Master: 'Well done, good and faithful servant...'?

We are in a world of choices. Our eternal destiny lies in our hands. I did not say in our power or that it is by our power. We cannot save ourselves but we can choose and follow the way of salvation thereby saving ourselves.

When we choose the way of the Lord and His guidance over that of the devil or the world, we are walking in the right way. The choice is open before us. God's grace is sufficient for us and His strength is made perfect in our weaknesses when we are willing and open to ask, receive and execute what we need to. It is not always easy but it is worth it.

"...I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life..." - Deuteronomy 30:15-20
"And thine ears shall hear a word behind thee, saying, This is the way, walk ye in it, when ye turn to the right hand, and when ye turn to the left." - Isaiah 30:21

What have we chosen and what are we still choosing (to think, to say, to do, to be after and to become) in our daily lives? (Pro. 16:25, John 14:6)
'We are free to choose but we are not free from the consequences of our choices.'

Many are joking in this life but God is not. As it was in the beginning so shall it be in the end: holiness unto the Father, without worldly attachments/distortion; and purity of the spirit, soul and body, without adulteration/alteration of any kind (consider Adam and Eve before the fall -the holiness, purity, power, and every other thing after the fall). We should continually seek the Lord for this deliverance. The road is straight and narrow. Many are called but few are chosen. (Matthew 7:13-23; ch 22:14)

In God, there is love, judgement, mercy and justice but humility, obedience and discipline on our part unto God, will spare us from being condemned. Let us encourage one another in the faith.
(I cry for those who do not take God serious before they realise the whole truth too late, maybe on that side of eternity)

Modernity and worldly wisdom will eventually corrupt. "...And they that use this world, as not abusing it: for the fashion of this world passeth away." - 1 Corinthians 7:29-31

haddeylium:
Zeal without. ....

So many verses do not fit into that hogwash doctrine.
Relate it with this

1 John 4:12
No one has seen God at any time
People saw Jesus right?

God cannot be tempted by evil (Jas 1:13)
Jesus was tempted by devil ?

Meditate on these two facts

...Knowledge without the Spirit (the Author who inspires it) - 2 Pet. 1:21 [2 Cor. 3:6, Job 32:8]

You don't understand the context in which those scriptures were written.

When the LORD came as a man did Abraham not see Him? Or what did Abraham see? What did Moses see also in Mount Sinai there in the fearsome cloud?

People have seen God:
'And upon the nobles of the children of Israel he laid not his hand: also they saw God, and did eat and drink.
And the LORD said unto Moses, Come up to me into the mount, and be there: and I will give thee tables of stone, and a law, and commandments which I have written; that thou mayest teach them.' - Exodus 24:11-12

People have tempted God:
'How oft did they provoke him in the wilderness, and grieve him in the desert!
Yea, they turned back and tempted God, and limited the Holy One of Israel.' - Psalms 78:40-41

Why are we admonished not to tempt the Lord our God if there was not such a possibility? (Matt. 4:7)

"I have heard of thee by the hearing of the ear: but now mine eye seeth thee.
Wherefore I abhor myself, and repent in dust and ashes." - Job 42:5-6

God who in all His glory cannot be seen with man's naked eyes has manifested in the flesh. We can now relate more personally with Him in the person of Jesus Christ, His heir, for if you have seen Jesus you have seen the Father, for in him dwelleth the fulness of the Godhead bodily (John 14:6-15, Col. 1:19; ch 2:9)

This kingdom of God you want to be a part of, who will be the Ruler that you can relate to there? Who will be the One with the authority to govern there? Is it God in the greatness of His power and His glorious, awesome majesty or His Son (His heir) in the person of Jesus Christ, the KING OF KINGS, and LORD OF LORDS? (Rev. 19:16, 1 Tim. 6:14-16). The Father has committed ALL judgment unto the Son and ALL power in heaven and on earth has been given unto Him.

MaxInDHouse:
The three highlighted will continue to blur your insight spiritually!
Omnipresence means the person is everywhere but he made it clear in his word (Bible) that he is not everywhere, the account of Genesis 18:20-21 shows the omnipresence idea is untrue because God himself said "i heard some things about two cities I AM GOING THERE TO CONFIRM IF IT IS SO"

The omnipotent is false because Abraham directly told God "i know you CAN'T DO this" {Genesis 18:23,25} Habakkuk said he's sure God CAN'T stand the sight of evil {Habakkuk 1:13} definitely there are many things people think God can do that he can't! Titus 1:2

The Omniscient should be solved if you consider the account of Genesis 6:6 God REGRET! And he said the idea of roasting people alive HAS NOT COME INTO HIS HEART {Jeremiah 7:31; 19:5} but humans are doing all of these. So he himself began to wonder are these the same creatures i made in my own image? Deuteronomy 32:5

God bless you and may you have PEACE!

God is going there AS A MAN to confirm something he heard about Sodom and Gomorrah, and execute His righteous judgement but God did not come AS A MAN (Jesus Christ) to do a greater work of salvation?

Abraham told God that He can't do this? LIES from your own bible! So it is Abraham that can dictate what God can do and cannot do? God is limited to what Abraham thinks He can do or cannot do?
This is what that passage of Scripture says, not what you stated from your amended bible for Abraham was asking questions not declaring a fact about the limits of God's power:

Genesis 18:23, 25 'And Abraham drew near, and said, Wilt thou also destroy the righteous with the wicked?
That be far from thee to do after this manner, to slay the righteous with the wicked: and that the righteous should be as the wicked, that be far from thee: Shall not the Judge of all the earth do right?'
(see also Ezekiel 3:20-21)

You keep taking scriptures out of context. Burning people alive did not come into God's mind but He himself prepared everlasting fire for the devil and his angels? (Matt. 25:41) The same fire is for all sinners and liars like their father the devil. (Rev. 21:8-9, 2 Thess. 1:7-9)

Don't wish me peace that you don't have with God. I reject your kind of peace since it is not of the God whom you deny His power and greatness - His omniscience, omnipotence and omnipresence. (2 Tim. 3:5)

'Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.
If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:
For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.' - 2 John 1:9-11

DappaD:
Yes you are a Trinitarian. Just that your own version/opinion as usual differs from the widely accepted version of the so-called “Trinity”.

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So many things wrong in one write-up. After all of these, did Jesus ever say that he was the Father please?
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1. Jesus said that his Father is greater than he is at John 14:28 so how can he still be the Father?
Jesus’ disciples well knew that he was the firstborn & only begotten Son of God. Matthew 16:16
So what Jesus said at John 14:9 doesn’t mean he is the Father. You are just trying to quote him out of context.
The Bible made mention of Jehovah’s humility[2Samuel 22:36], Jesus is also able to imitate his Father by exhibiting that beautiful quality. Matthew 11:29, Philippians 2:3-5
And Jesus is able to reflect his Father’s qualities to the maximum degree. Hebrews 1:3
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2. Yes Jesus and his Father are ONE just as all of Jesus’ disciples are ONE. John 17:22
Certainly, his disciples did not form a mixture of personalities so John 10:30 suggests that Jehovah and his Son are united in one thought and purpose like Jesus’ disciples also were. Compare 2Corinthians 13:11
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3. The Jews were just looking for whatever they could nail Jesus with so they came up all sorts of false accusations against Jesus. The same Jews that alleged that Jesus said taxes shouldn’t be paid to the Roman government? [Luke 23:2] Even when he really said that everyone should use discernment and give what belongs to Caesar back to him? Matthew 22:21
So why should we trust whatever the Jews are saying?
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4. Funny how none of the Scriptures attest the resurrection of Jesus to himself. It is always expressions like “God resurrected Jesus” and “God raised up the Lord[Jesus]” and never “Jesus resurrected himself”. Acts 2:32, Romans 4:24, 1Corinthians 6:14, Colossians 2:12, Hebrews 13:20
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5. Don’t deceive yourself. The thief at the side of Jesus was promised a resurrection in the future here on earth not that he followed Jesus anywhere. Acts 24:15
After all, Jesus himself did not go to heaven the day he died, rather he remained in the Grave three days[Matthew 16:21] before he was resurrected by God. 1Corinthians 15:3
It wasn’t until more than 40days after that he finally ascended to heaven. Acts 1:9

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So that means you can point to where Jesus said he was God or not? This your Trinity was just a doctrine fabricated by the Roman Catholic Church. It has nothing to do with the Bible which states that Jehovah God is just ONE and not three-in-one. Deuteronomy 6:4, Galatians 3:20

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And yet he did not declare himself to be God so this point you’re trying to make it dead on arrival.

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You’re trying to force your Trinity into the Bible and it’s not going well for you.
So going by your ideology, it then means that all the sons of God[angels] including Gabriel are equal to God since they share divine nature? Job 38:7, Psalm 104:4
Do the anointed Christians who go to heaven suddenly become God since they will also share divine nature? 2Peter 1:4

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Of course, Jehovah is the Supreme Judge. Isaiah 33:22
In ancient Israel, God entrusted the work of JUDGING to mere men but that did not make them God. Deuteronomy 16:18
Paul said that he and the group of holy ones would be given the authority to JUDGE the world of mankind but that will not make him and others to become God. 1Corinthians 6:2
Jesus said that his Father, Jehovah gave him authority to JUDGE, so please how does that make him God now? John 5:22
You saw the pattern I drew, right? That goes to show your Trinity is empty without any Scriptural basis

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So does Jesus act out on his own initiative? The answer is no according to John 8:28
If God had not SENT his Son, Jesus, would any ransom have been paid? Matthew 20:28, John 3:16
If Jehovah did not plant Jesus as a tree, would any fruit have come forth from him? John 15:1 compare Matthew 15:13

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This omnipresent and omniscient picture you’re trying to paint about God doesn’t even fit into the Bible because it suggests that God doesn’t follow his own standards. Deuteronomy 32:4

I am still not a Trinitarian. So many things wrong in one write up of what Jesus said himself? You are therefore a liar since you deny the Father and the Son and diminish the greatness and fulness of the Godhead that dwelt in Jesus bodily. (Col. 2:8-10, 1 John 2:22-23)

God is not three in one. God is One who functions in three ways (tri-functional). This is the way He relates with His creation at any point in time either as the Father, Son or the Spirit or all together.

You see how you so diminish the greatness and power of the Almighty God by false teaching from a twisted version of Bible? We are therefore not referring to the same God, because the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, the God who created the heavens and the earth, the Ruler of the universe is far greater than you can ever imagine, and He is not limited to time and space. He is not limited to one line thought or issue at any time or how does He see, attend to, hear and answer millions/billions of prayers and other matters in His creation?
He can be more in than one place at a time - that is His omnipresence because He fills the heaven and earth.

You suppose that when He came down to check the sins committed in Sodom that he wasn't aware in the first place right there in heaven and that He had to come down as a man to see for himself? That He had to walk there by feet just for to check the sin of Sodom and Gomorrah? And who was ruling in heaven then? The King's throne was vacant?

Can any hide himself in secret places that I shall not see him? saith the LORD. Do not I fill heaven and earth? saith the LORD. - Jer. 23:24

So you believe that God can 'MATERIALISE' as a man (the three men Abraham met) and come to earth but He was not the SAME PERSON who came as the man Jesus Christ to the earth another time, to fulfil the sinless and ultimate sacrifice that no flawed human being could ever do and finally purge away our sins by his own precious blood? You think he was just an ordinary man like you?

'But to which of the angels said he at any times, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool?
Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?' - Hebrews 1:13-14
[God's throne is in heaven and the earth is His footstool. (Isaiah 66:1)]

'But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;
From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool.' - Hebrews 10:12-13

You guys keep peddling false doctrines from your own version of Bible and you misunderstand theology. You have only head knowledge but no real experience of/encounter with God. How can you witness for someone you only KNOW ABOUT from the letters of the scriptures that kills but have not really KNOWN in living experience (seen, heard his voice or sensed his presence)? [2 Cor. 3:6-18]

"Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,
Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth." - 2 Timothy 3:5-7

The Word that God has spoken will judge everyone in the end. Keep peddling false doctrines from your bible by twisting, adding and subtracting from what God has said and from what is written (Rev. 21:18-20).

Everyone will give account of himself to God and receive their reward of the things done in their body whether good or bad (Rom. 14:10-12, 2 Cor. 5:8-11 ,Matt. 25:31-46, Rev. 20:12-13, ch 22:12-15)

harmargedon:
lol, no one wants to be God. the pharoes believed that after God they were next so also other religions. Jesus himself didn't say he was God, you people made him one. so who's guilty of sin, me or you?

For the record, I am not a Trinitarian. What does that even mean?

You think there weren't many men who wanted to become 'god' or usurped authority as god?
Jesus Himself had declared that if you have seen him you have seen the Father; that he and the Father are one, and the Jews wanted to stone him for making himself equal with God. He lays down his life and he himself takes it up again. Destroy his temple (his body) and he HIMSELF will raise it up again, not another being. He DIED on the cross and he was with the other repentant thief in paradise THAT SAME DAY (Today you will be with me in paradise). There are still more instances.

You either believe all he has said about himself or you call him a liar and the bible false. There is no middle ground.


And what more do you need? If he had expressly declared himself to be God, "Pharisees" like you will still not believe him because you cannot 'hear' his word for you are not his sheep.

What makes you different from your son, if you already have one?
What makes the 'only begotten' Son different from His Father? Do they not have the same divine nature? The same makeup and 'DNA'?

God is the judge. The Father has committed ALL judgement to His Son and all power in heaven and on earth has been given to him, and he shall judge the world for he is the KING OF KINGS, and LORD OF LORDS. His kingdom come and His will be done on earth as it is in heaven. Amen.
He is coming back again very soon to judge and to reign in His kingdom. His kingdom is not of this world.

Is an angel the Saviour of the whole world? Or do you think that it is an angel (as you limit him through your false doctrine) that will judge all of God's creation or it is God's own heir, that is, His own self [Himself] that we can more personally relate to?

Do you limit the OMNIPRESENT, omnipotent and omniscient God from being ALL that He wants to be and to do? Does He not fill the heaven and the earth?

'Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?
Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.
Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake.' - John 14:9-11

'For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:
That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.' - John 5:22-23 (also 1 John 2: 22-23)

God is the Saviour. Jesus is the Saviour. Are there two Saviours? No. He is the same God.

"I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour." - Isaiah 43:11 (Isaiah 43:3, ch 45:15,21, ch 63:8, Psalm 106:21, Hosea 13:4, etc)
"For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord." - Luke 2:11
"Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;" - Titus 2:13 (Acts 5:31, Titus 3:4, 1 John 4:14, Jude 1:25, etc)

"But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.
My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.
I and my Father ARE ONE." - John 10:26-30

O false Witnesses that have no experiential intimate knowledge of Jehovah and deny His greatness with your revised and amended bible "Canst thou by searching find out God? canst thou find out the Almighty unto perfection?" - Job 11:7

God is beyond your limited knowledge and flawed reasoning. God hides these things from the 'wise and prudent' and reveals them unto babes. The Son reveals the Father to us and the Father reveals the Son to us. This is a relationship. It is intimate knowledge you cannot get just by reasoning. Humble yourselves and let the Father reveal Himself to you. (Matt. 11:25-27, Luke 10:21-22, John 14:23)

The LORD, he is the God. Jesus Christ is the Lord. Jesus Christ is God.

He is the Word with God in the beginning, that created all things; the Word made flesh -God manifest in flesh.
The Word was God. Jesus Christ is the Word. Jesus Christ is the Lord. Jesus Christ is God. Receive Him as your Saviour, honour Him, worship Him and keep His commandments for you do so to the Father that sent Him. (1 Kings 18:39, John 1:1-18, Phil. 2:9-11, Col. 1:15-19, Heb. 1:1-6, 1John 1:1-18, Matt. 28:18-20, ch 10:40, John 12:48, ch 13:20, 1 John 2:22-23, ch 5:20, 1 Tim. 3:16)

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MaxInDHouse:
Haaaaa this epistle simply because Adam is dead shey?
OK o, go and speak with the soul/spirit of Adam after all he was the first man God created and the father of all, at least his soul/spirit will be of much help better than your grandpa who just died in less than 50 year ago!

As I suppose. You skip the critical and focus on irrelevancies.
It's no problem. Whether Adam has gone into non-existence (obliteration) or will be resurrected, you will soon know and may get a chance to speak with him someday. But that will only be when you have had a change of mind, heart and life through the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.
For now, goodbye.

MaxInDHouse:
There are different words rendered as SPIRIT in the Bible and they meant different things the SPIRIT at Ecclesiastes 12:7 simply means breath but if you disagree it's OK, go out there and make disciples for your God Sir!

Different meaning of the word "spirit" but you suppose it to mean just "breath" in Eccl.12:7?

And so, is the "breath of life" that was breathed into Adam either just energy (spirit), Oxygen or rather Carbondioxide? Because what ordinarily is breathed out by conscious, talking, living beings is Carbondioxide.
Does God even breath air in and out for His sustenance?
And why weren't the animals breathed into like Adam was?
What was so special about Adam's "breath of life" that was not inputed into the animals (even plants) and yet they are alive?

Have you check the original word and meaning of "spirit" from the verse before concluding?
Have you also check the meaning of the words "CREATE" and "FORM" even in the original language and see whether they are the same thing or not?

WELL, I SUPPOSE YOU WILL NOT ANSWER MOST OF THESE QUESTIONS AS YOU HAVE PREVIOUSLY AVOIDED THE OTHER ONES TOO AND FOCUS ONLY ON WHAT YOU HAVE BEEN INDOCTRINATED WITH.

You turn a blind eye to the truth and you think you are witnessing for Jehovah? That is the same way you have been made a blind follower of the blind and you think God is happy with your deliberate IGNOR[E]ance of the study of His Word? It is false witnessing of the greatness and power of Jehovah whom you claim to serve as 2 Tim. 3:5-7 states.

You know some things about God just by the letter that killeth [2 Cor. 3:6] but you don't really know (have encountered/experienced) God in intimate relationship. That is where you guys are missing it and it is such people that the Lord Jesus will tell on that day: I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

You know ABOUT Him but you don't know Him and He doesn't 'know' you because you really have no intimate relationship with or experiential knowledge of Him, just head knowledge.
Seek the Lord while He may be found. May God help you.

MaxInDHouse:
The highlighted means the energy (spirit) that activate the lungs just as God blew into Adam's nostril in the beginning!

I don't agree with your analogy that God first created something somewhere before Adam's formation Sir, the scriptures say God form the man from the dust and blew into his nostril the breath of life and man (Adam) became a living soul. Please can you back up your explanation with the scriptures that Adam was already existing before God molded him?

The previous post answered your question from the scriptures if only you will look closely at it.

Spirit is just energy? Mindless/directionless energy? Energy that can know things, energy that can speak, energy that can sense things, energy does things of its own accord??


We were CREATED in the image of God which is Christ Jesus and our body was FORMED from the dust of the ground. We were then breathed into our formed body.
Go check the meaning of 'create' and 'form' again even in the original language.

MaxInDHouse:
It's like you're not getting my point so let me make it easier, God formed Adam from the dust of the ground and blew into his nostril the breath of life and Adam (the dust) became a living soul. Genesis 2:7
Definitely there was nothing like Adam before creation meaning Adam was God's invention.
So where did the Bible says that something is separated from Adam at death and continue to exist?
And where exactly is that thing representing Adam presently?

'So God CREATED man in his own image, in the image of God CREATED he him; male and female CREATED he them.' - Genesis 1:27

'This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God CREATED man, in the likeness of God MADE he him' - Genesis 5:1

Do you understand that there is a difference between being created and being made (formed)?

*Created (man) - out of no physically existing entity but in Himself.
*Formed (man) - out of the dust of the ground.

God breathed the man He CREATED in Himself into the body He FORMED from the already created and existing earth. He put the man He created into the container(flesh/body) he made/formed

We were CREATED in Christ Jesus who is the image of the invisible God. See the bolded words in Genesis above (Refs: Eph. 2:10, Col. 1:15)


So what returns back to God when a man dies as Ecclesiastes says?
The body to the dust and the spirit returns back to God who gave it.

The spirit shall return for what?
For judgment and reward for the things done in the body (2 Cor. 5:10, Rom. 14:10-12, Matt. 25:31-46)

MaxInDHouse:
Please i'm interested in the highlighted!
Between the SOUL and SPIRIT which will return to God?
According to Genesis 2:7 "God formed the man out of the dust (clay) and blew into his nostril the breath of life and the man became a living soul (person)"
So where did you get the three separately Sir?

The spirit encapsulating the soul returns back to God, not the soil. There is a spiritual body but it is not stated that there is a 'soulish' body. (1 Cor. 15:44)

The breath of life (spirit) that was blown into man activated an individual personality (soul) with free will, emotions, reasoning and etecetera, and not a 'robot'.

Why did the scriptures let us know that there is a spirit in man and the inspiration of the Almighty giveth them understanding? (Job 32:8 )

Why did the scriptures say the soul that sinneth it shall die, shall be cut off [separated] (see Num. 15:31 and several more)?

The scriptures says the body without the spirit is dead. - James 2:26

Several passages in scriptures from the old to the new testament talk about the soul of man and also the spirit of man. Man in the case is referring to all human, not just the male.

1 Thessalonians 5:23 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Hebrews 4:12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

1 Corinthians 6:20 For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.

God who is a Spirit also has a Spirit (the Spirit of God) and He is shown to have a soul, although it may not be exactly like ours for He is far greater than we can imagine.

"Behold my servant, whom I have chosen; my beloved, in whom my soul is well pleased: I will put my spirit upon him, and he shall shew judgment to the Gentiles." - Matthew 12:18 (see Lev. 21:11, Isaiah 42:1, Heb. 10:38, etc)

MaxInDHouse:
You will know the TRUTH and the truth will set you free {John 8:32} so let the truth set your minds free from panting over nothing Sir!
God said Adam will die and ever since then not a single place where the Bible made mention of Adam as living anywhere because ADAM HAS RETURNED TO DUST! Genesis 3:19
So if you're now saying Adam still exists somewhere that makes God a liar because Satan told them "You will not REALLY die" Genesis 3:5
That's why i said it's more logical to accept the 1,000 years interpretation there!

It is more "logical" to accept the 1000 years = 1 day explanation for Adam's death but not the 6000 years for 6 days creation?
Your reasoning will always lead you astray if you do not humbly ask the Author of the bible for understanding.

Do you understand that Adam's body was made from clay but his real person, even the life in that clay body came from God and will return back to God, not to the soil as Ecclesiastes says? Man is spirit, soul and body who is made in the image and likeness of God - Father, Son and Spirit.
"For as the body WITHOUT the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also." - James 2:26

Death is separation from life. God cannot lie. Adam died (was estranged from the holy God) the same day he ate the fruit. The body eventually degraded (aged/weakened - something that was not the original plan of God) until it could no longer hold his human spirit and it separated from his flesh hundreds of years later (the silver cord was loosed).

He was disconnected from the Spirit of God through sin that very moment and his eyes were 'opened'. He fell short of the glory of God immediately. That is why redemption through Jesus Christ is to restore us back into a holy, loving, intimate, experiential relationship with God our Father through His Spirit in us.

MaxInDHouse:
Just as you too aren't free from the consequences if you're on the wrong!

Yes, we all aren't, but when Truth has spoken, who are we to do or believe otherwise?

MaxInDHouse:
Whatever i believe is my own PERSONAL life Sir it's a FREE WORLD!

Ok but just know that 'you are free to choose but you are not free from the consequences of your choice'. Adios.

MaxInDHouse:
I have heard of your interpretation before and i prefer the one that stays on point that Adam doesn't exist anymore after his death! Ecclesiastes 9:5-10
So if you choose the other interpretation that's no problem, it's a free world!

That is how people prefer lies to the truth and wrestle the scriptures unto their own destruction (2 Pet. 3:15-17)

You believe the wayward preacher more than His Maker who is greater than him, even Jesus Christ?

You believe the story of Lazarus and the rich man was mere fable?

You believe that we will not stand before God and give account of our lives as stated in scriptures?

You believe the 'judgement' and 'reward' for being and doing evil is mere unconsciousness? Will the devil and his angels also go into everlasting unconsciousness?

You believe that when man dies his spirit will return back to God who gave it and that that spirit is mere breath (Oxygen?). What is Oxygen returning back to God, who is a Spirit, for?

Keep running away from the truth and believing false doctrines and you will find yourself inexcusable on the last day.

Kobojunkie:
I didn't write the Gospels. I simply comprehend what is written as it is written .

According to Jesus Christ, His Sheep alone hear His voice and they will hear His voice from their graves where they sleep and be raised as a result of hearing Him. Then some of those who are raised will be rewarded with Life in Heaven while the others will be judged for their wicked deeds.

It is as is recorded that in John 5 and I believe in John 10, Jesus Christ makes clear that His sheep are in fact all those who claim to believe in Him, meaning that only those who believe in Jesus Christ will be raised when Jesus Christ retirns, and they are the ones who will be judged by Him.

In Matthew 25 vs 31 -46, we see that the author proceeds to instea consider those who obey Jesus Christ sheep, whereas those who refuse to obey Him are tagged as goats, And this classification makes sense for you see those there is no expectation on them to obey or even reject that which they do not believe in to begin with. It is to those who believe that that expectation is placed. So both the sheep and the goats believe(even the demons and fallen angels also believe), but because the goats do not obey the commandments of Jesus Christ, they are raised to judgement, along with the demons and others.

You call it MY doctrine, yet it is what is written right there in Scripture as far back as 2000 years ago. I wonder instead why you would refuse the truth of Jesus Christ, as it is indeed written to instead cling to doctrines and traditions of men, all of which Jesus Christ declared are lies, that have nothing to do with His message.

I suggest rather than continuing this back and forth with me, you spend tome reading through the Gospels(Matthew, Mark, Luke and John) so you can more clearly understand the very Teachings of Jesus Christ, the New Covenant, and maybe, the rest of the New Testament will take on new meaning that aligns more with His teachings as opposed to the many doctrines and interpretations, noirse, that Ixists all around youu where it concerns the Gospel of the Kingdom of God.

Then you did not comprehend correctly or you are just a deceiver.
If you like keep switching between scriptures to state what is not true (John chs 5 and 10). John 5 was not talking about the sheep of Jesus and had no mention of sheep from vs 6 to 47 where Jesus started and finished speaking.

Those verses in John 5 talk about resurrection and the DEAD in the graves hearing the voice of Jesus and coming out and receiving their judgment (reward) while those verses in John 10 talk about His LIVING sheep, that are not dead yet, hearing His voice and entering into His fold.

It has become YOUR doctrine because those are not what scriptures say. Stop twisting scriptures.

MaxInDHouse:
The perception of human says "24 hours make ONE day" so a day from man's point of view starts from 12:00 am to 11:59 pm, but from God's own viewpoint ONE is equivalent of 1,000 years of human existence {2Peter 3:8} so Adam died that same day he never lived up to 1,000 years a day from God's viewpoint! Genesis 5:5

So that is the way you have chosen to deceive yourself and focus on only one of the many points raised above?

You should as well have said that God created everything in 6000 years and rested for 1000 years (the same 2 Pet. 3:8b - a thousand years as one day) which is given as the Sabbath. Or then the scriptures do not mean what they say but what you say?

'And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.' - Genesis 2:2-3

Stop deceiving yourself and twisting the scriptures to suit doctrines you have been taught. It will not end well.

Kobojunkie:
First and foremost, the very teachings of Jesus Christ are found there in the gospels. Whatever you find written elsewhere needs to echo that which was in fact spoken of by Jesus Christ for it to be the Truth of God since Jesus Christ is the Truth that we follow.

Now, as for how to read the book, you have to pay close attention to context as it is the key to understanding the message that is Jesus Christ, and in fact the entire message of God. John 5, you quoted rightly from but missed the core of the message since you probably just copy-pasted only the verse where the search procedure found the word "resurrection" for you.
In the same context that verse you lifted is found, Jesus Christ starts by telling you that God is the one who gives Him His sheep and that no one can steal or take them away from Him. Then He proceeds to inform His audience that ONLY His sheep hear His voice and will hear it from their graves to be raised from the dead, some to Heavenly reward while the rest of His sheep to judgement.

It is important to understand the message as presented by Jesus Christ Himself in the gospels as it is key to deciphering the contents of the many dreams and visions of his disciples who come after Him.

So what have you said now?
Do the other scriptures not confirm what Jesus said?

ONLY His sheep hear his voice and yet some sheep will receive heavenly reward and the other sheep judgment? Where did you see that? And what kind of judgment will the other sheep receive? What about the goats - those on the left hand? What will they receive?

So ALL that are in the graves that hear His voice are His sheep and yet some will receive damnation even though they are not the goats? (John 5:28)

Are you saying there will be no resurrection of the unjust also as the scriptures says?
Are you saying not all men (both just and unjust) will give account of their life while in the body and then receive their reward?

Will you keep twisting the scriptures to suit your doctrines or stay by what Jesus the Word of God has said? Will you keep adding or subtracting from the scriptures?
If you keep up with that you will only make yourself a goat and will receive your just reward, for it is written:

"And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: DEPART from me, ye that work iniquity." - Matthew 7:23

Matthew 25:41, 46 "Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, DEPART from me, ye cursed, into EVERLASTING FIRE, prepared for the devil and his angels:
And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal."

The Lord will not send such into oblivion but into everlasting fire even though it is not His will that any should perish but that all should come to repentance. It is your choice. Choose Jesus and His Words and you choose life or you twist His words as a worker of iniquity and you have chosen death (everlasting separation and punishment).

'And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;
When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day.' - 2 Thess. 1:7-10