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Pedagogue:
I'm a Christian.
Believe me, we are in end times!

The role RELIGION is playing in 2015 politics is stunningly strange.

We've moved from 'No to Muslim-Muslim ticket'; 'No to Catholic-Catholic ticket' to 'Prophets' making (whatever) predictions!!!

In a sane clime, Prophet Olabayo's 'prophecies' would not have been dignified with any response by a high ranking party official. But in Nigeria, you dare not take such chances...Our people are very gullible. Any statement by anybody with the tag of 'Pastor' or 'Imam' has a sanctimonious effect on a vast majority of Nigerians.

Little wonder that GEJ/PDP waited impatiently for Buhari to announce Fashola or any other Muslim for that matter as his VP candidate. That last minute choice of a RCCG Pastor as Buhari's VP dealt a very terrible blow to their political calculations. But PDP/GEJ have not given up. They cannot even afford to give up. They know too well that the only political weapon they can use against Buhari is ethnic/religious propaganda...Nigerians, the real 2015 politics is about to begin. I have it on good authority that PDP will insidiously invade the social media in a way that has never been seen before.Many new accounts will be opened on twitter, fb, nairaland,linda Ikeji and even Bella Naija...and they will be talking about 1 thing: BUHARI's Islamic/Northern agenda.

My source went further to tell me that some of the phantom monikers that will be opened will be tweeting/posting as if they are supporters of Buhari/APC. Nigerians, SHINE YOUR EYES! Let's call their bluff FOR ONCE!!! They think we are fools. They steal our money and allow Christians and Moslems to be killed by insurgents and they still want another 4 years? Hell NO!!!

Tell me, who's a Christian? My Bible tells me that The Apostles were first called 'CHRISTIANS' in Antioch because the people there saw the life of Jesus Christ in them! They did not call them Christians because they'd wined and dined with Christ! No!!! It was because of the kind of life they were living...so, tell me, Is GEJ a Christian? Is corruption, ethnic bigotry,crass impunity a life of Christ? Is FFK (the self-appointed Christ-defender) a 'Christian' ? These people are 'Christians' because of accident of birth; and the same applies to Buhari....So, whether anybody likes it or not, I am, by the grace of the Almighty God a Christian and I will, God willing, vote for APC/BUHARI/Osinbajo on February 14, 2015.

...and of course, I will vote for Ambode/APC in 2015. I know how Lagos was in 1999; I know how it is now. This is not to say that Agbaje is not a person of integrity! No! It is about his party. I will rather have Tinubu as my governor's godfather than have Bode George/Ogunlewe. I will rather have a party that has been consistent in it's developmental plan for Lagos than have a party that has a different mentality! If Fashola could surpass Tinubu that was seen as better than his contemporaries...then Ambode will (I believe) be better than Fashola!!!

***Really sorry for the long epistle/diversion from the main topic.

You profess to be a Christian, but have also meddled self in politics - a think Jesus and his disciples never did. Your post shows you are also in good romance with politics... yes, your role and those of other religious folks in politics prove we are in the end times.

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EUGENE, please note that the iPad does not have slot for 3G sim. The only means of internet connectivity is by WiFi. You don't need to unlock anything in order to use the WiFi function. THERE IS NO SLOT FOR GSM SIM.

o9999:
My grandma does not know her birthday. But to make her part of the fun, we let her choose a date we celebrate for her (am guguessing my dad's date is also a fixed date... Not the real thing ). Now pls someone tell me that cos they were NOT EXACTLY born on those dates, when we celebrate the birthdays, we r doing something wrong??

25th Dec, 5th March, June 11th, Sept 30th I can go on and on .....
The Que is what's d reason for d celebration? As long as you bear Jesus in mind and DEDICATE d day to his birth, pls let grow beyond this "they said , they fixed, a catholic priest, a pagan god" and give adoration and importance to one worthy of it!

D fact that he is still worthy of this much attention& discussions over 2000yrs after his death....... Stop fault finding and love him already

Your grandma chose a date, and you celebrated with her.... she consented.

Conversely, if your grandma lives in an era when birthday celebration is popular, but never celebrated hers and never told you to do so for her when she is dead, would you consider it wise to choose a date and be celebrating her birthday yearly when she is dead?

Jesus is not your grandma, so, did not choose a date for his family members, friends and fellowship members for his birthday celebration. Birthday celebration was popular in his time, but neither celebrated nor told us to do so.

To him, what was of profound importance was the day of his death... Luke 22:19

"A good name is better than precious ointment; and the day of death than the day of one’s birth''. Eccl. 7:8 - KJV

Ubenedictus:
pls where does d bible say Jesus lived exactly 33yrs and 6 months?

Pls where does d bible say Jesus was born exactly on 25th December?

To justify your claim of 25th December, can you please tell us how long you think Jesus lived on earth?

ogawisdom:
Where in d bible did dey state u shld watch tv, use computer, automobile n internet. R u nt using them today. God gave u brains so use them. Everything can't b in d bible

Where in the bible is it written that you should not watch pon on TV or internet with your parents, or with your children?

You think apart from laws that are expressly stated, there are no principles in the bible by which all we do must be based?

emjoe1:
Pls how can you reconcile the fact that Jesus lived for
33yrs and 1/2 which pple commomerate around
March or April every year with him being born in 25th
December? Thus, if one assume him to be born on April and add the remaining six months, it takes you to October, not even November. Talk more on December. Kindly enlighten me, because I'm still
confused about that.

You seem to be a troublemaker! We keep ignoring, you keep bringing this question up...LOL

If Jesus lived for 33yrs + 6months, then his 34th birthday would have been on (33yrs+6months) + another 6months.

He died in the month of Nissan (which corresponds to March/April in today's calendar)

His 34th birthday would therefore have been on March/April + 6months = September/October.

For the 25th December to be true as the birthday of Christ, then, one of the following MUST be false:

1. Jesus lived for just 33yrs + 6months on earth.

2. He died in the month of Nissan

3. The date he died in the month of Nissan often falls on March/April in our today's calendar.

CONCLUSION: If none of the above is false, then it's obvious the 25th December speculated to be the birthday of Jesus Christ, is FALSE.

checkdate:
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This is done to please who? God and his son?

sukkot:
did you know that without looking at the bible, if someone tells you any chapter numbers and verse numbers of any book in the bible, you can tell exactly what that chapter is talking about and what that particular verse is talking about without opening the book ? just from the numbers if you know the pattern. meaning the book is not haphazardly compiled. whomever put that book together has extra-ordinary super- Godly-powers

Tell us the pattern, if you know.

emusmith:
There are NINE of them. At one time or another, we find ourselves in positions where we have to exhibit one or more of the fruits of the Spirit.

Here in NL, You need a lot of them to keep calm, calculated and concentrated...lol

Nairalanders, Pick One Among These...

1. Love (charity)

2. joy (gladness)

3. Peace

4. Patience (an Even temper, Forbearance)

5. Kindness

6. Goodness (Benevolence)

7. Faithfulness (Trustworthiness)

8. Gentleness(meekness,humility)

9. Self-control (self-restraint, continence)


So, which when you pick will make you significantly better than before?

Oya...Pick... ONE o!

The fruit of the spirit is ONE, not NINE.

22 "But the [size=14pt]fruit[/size] of the Spirit [size=14pt]is[/size] love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,

23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law". Gal. 5:22-23 - KJV


It is 'fruit or fruitage' but not 'fruits or fruitages'.

Also, it carries a singular auxiliary verb, 'is', not 'are'.

In view of this, as Christians, we have no choice but to cultivate this composite fruit completely (with all its spiritual components/ingredients) in ourselves.

A truly spiritual person is expected to have ALL, but not SOME of the afore-mentioned spiritual attributes.... hence, its singularity. We have nothing to choose from.

Givemejoy:
How many faces are there in the picture?

There are 10 human faces in all.

Dapo777:
A mother and her child were walking along a dark street,suddenly two harmed men came out and confronted them,one of the armed men took the child apart and the other one began to hit the woman,punching her really hard,pushed her on the floor and began to hit her, while her son watches in horror.
Meanwhile GOD is sitted on his throne watching this happen.
Me: GOD why don't you do something to stop this man from hurting the poor mother?
GOD: I am not supposed to stop him from harming the mother because that would be interfering with his freewill.
Me: So you want him to be able to exercise his freewill to decide by himself not to hurt the mother again,right?
GOD: Yes exactly.
Me: OK you have preserved the freewill of the man now.
GOD: Yes I have.
Me: What about the mother,is it her freewill to be beaten up by the man?
GOD: Hmmmm,no it's not her freewill.
Me: So that means you are in favour of the armed man's freewill and against the freewill of the mother.
GOD: it seems that way,but that's not how it is.
Me: since you care about everyone's freewill why don't you save the mother since She hasn't done anything wrong to deserve the beating?
GOD: I am not supposed to do that,I am supposed to remain hidden.
Me: So by splitting the red sea into two,turning water into wine,turning a stick into snake,making a tree catch fire without getting burnt,bring a whole human (Jesus) to be the saviour of the world is being hidden? So you would rather be hidden than save the poor woman.
GOD: shutup!!!!!! I am GOD how dare you question me? Don't you know my ways are mysterious! Human comprehension cannot understand me. Just shutup!!
Me: So why do we have the Bible then? Since we cant understand your ways.
GOD: am out!

Tag: theunusualmoon, Honourhim

What is freewill? Is freewill the same as wish/desire?

The man exercised his freewill by beating up the woman. How did the woman exercise her freewill in connection to the beating?

zyzxx:
I suppose not to answer u, but I will. we are hear to learn and knw d truth.
1. What consine us wit d hierarchy in heaven? y are we bothering ourself, y do we leave our salvation to follow wrong path? The bible as said it all
Kjv
"Lo, this only have I found, that God hath made man upright; but they have sought out many inventions." (Ecclesiastes 7:29).

Nlt
"But I did find this: God created people to be virtuous, but they have each turned to follow their own downward path."" (Ecclesiastes 7:29).

This method will not work for you. Answer the question you said you will.

But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God. 1Cor 11:3 KJV
The almighty God existed before his son, Jesus; Jesus existed before the man; and man existed before the woman.

[size=16pt]QUESTION[/size]: In the above hierarchy of headship provided by apostle Paul, tell me the part that is true and the part YOU THINK is false?

bible stated it clearly dat " jesus is d way truth and life, and no 1 comes to the father except through me... jesus said again

In line with the scripture, you have fittingly placed the son between man and the father.

………….MAN……….THE SON……….THE FATHER……….

Can you also put the father between man and the son? In other words, can you also pass through the father in order to meet the son?

………….MAN……….THE FATHER……….THE SON…….

"Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works’ sake. " (John 14:11).
Why do u want to separate what is inseparable (trinity )?

‘At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you’. John 14:20 KJV.

From your understanding and interpretation of Jesus' statement, you are also a part of the trinity, true or false?

note dis, jesus said God as choice to reveal dis to d children and d illiterate and he leave does dat are too wise on there own. Do u knw Y? Is because of dey knw d truth but think it impossible and dat thru wit human reason it impossible( we are no different from dem if we interpret thing sprit wit human wisdom ) but wit God all things are possible,
a word is enough for d wise.

But you wrongly interpreted John 14:11

1.The father is a distinct person and he is a God; 2. The son is a distinct person he is also a God. 3. And the holy spirit is a distinct person and a God too, according to the trinity.
Please, by using Godly wisdom, and not human’s, kindly explain how the 3 distinct persons, each being a God, are one.

Syncan:
Lol, is it only the hills and mountains he pre-existed, what about the heaven and the earth? If he pre-existed heaven and earth, where was he?

What do you know about heaven and earth?

If he was outside of God, ie a god, then something was made before him, on which he mas made. Is this so? When you guys calm down and listen I will teach you.

STOP MAKING NOISE, YOU HAVE NOTHING TO OFFER.

Jesus subordinate position to the father...I agree with this as long as it is in relation to their persons (ie the father begat the son), but they are one God and hence equal. Jesus did not hold on that equality, he humbled himself to save man...Phil 2:6.

After saving man he went back to heaven and was highly rewarded by someone greater than him for mission well accomplished. In the heaven he is still in a subordinate position to his father. Where do you think he was when apostle Paul was inspired to write the following:

But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God. 1Cor 11:3 KJV
The almighty God existed before his son, Jesus; Jesus existed before the man; and man existed before the woman.

[size=16pt]QUESTION[/size]: In the above hierarchy of headship provided by apostle Paul, tell me the part that is true and the part YOU THINK is false?

Bmart:
I donbeliev-it

Why?

Syncan:
No matter the height of the font used, it doesn't remove the fact that the word used in vs 22 is "kana" meaning "possessed", I don't want to go into long explanation,

So your almighty God is a possession. How then would you describe his possessor, as a mighty God?

but you who claimed that psalm 45 was talking about Solomon, must have read in vs 8 this: I wisdom dwell with prudence, and find out knowledge of witty inventions. That proverb was talking about Wisdom, why do you say it is Jesus?

The verses you quoted excitedly in your previous post as proof of Jesus’ almightiness were talking about who?

And for this firstborn that you're throwing around everywhere, see:

the firstborn of every creature. The description "first-born of all creation" speaks of Christ’s preexistence. He is not a creature but the eternal Creator (John 1:10).

Note that Jesus is called the first-born, not the first-created. The word "first-born" (Greek word "prototokos" ) signifies priority. In the culture of the Ancient Near East, the first-born was not necessarily the oldest child. First-born referred not to birth order but to rank. The first-born possessed the inheritance and leadership. Check out Jacob, Isaac, Ephraim.

Therefore, the phrase expresses Christ's sovereignty over creation. After resurrecting Jesus from the dead, God gave Him authority over the Earth (Matthew 28:18). Jesus created the world, saved the world, and rules the world. He is the self-existent, acknowledged Head of creation.
Finally, the phrase recognizes Him as the Messiah: "I will make Him [Christ] My first-born, higher than the kings of the earth" (Psalm 89:27).

Six times the Lord Jesus is declared to be the first-born of God (see Romans 8:29; Colossians 1:15, 18; Hebrews 1:6; 12:23; Revelation 1:5). These passages declare the preexistence, the sovereignty, and the redemption that Christ offers.
Thus, the phrase "first-born of all creation" proclaims Christ’s preeminence. As the eternal Son of God, He created the universe. He is the Ruler of creation!

…. These passages declare the preexistence … yes, he preexisted even the mountains and hills

25 before the mountains were set in place—before the hills—I was born, Pr. 8:22 NET

If you want to use firstborn really,then Firstborn of God is God, since firstborn of man is man.Jesus is God.

There is no big deal about that, but you accepting the facts that go with it. For example:
If a man begets another man, who’ll be the head? Similarly, if a God begets another God, who’ll be the head?

But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God. 1Cor 11:3 KJV

The almighty God existed before Jesus; Jesus existed before the man; and man existed before the woman.

QUESTION: In the above hierarchy of headship provided by apostle Paul, tell me the part that is true and the part YOU THINK is false?

I am sure I have explained this before here, but no, you have hardened your heart.

Who made the following statements and what other words could have been used for you to accept that Jesus was created?

22 The LORD created me as the beginning of his works, before his deeds of long ago. Pr. 8:22 NET

25 before the mountains were set in place—before the hills—I was born, Pr. 8:22 NET

Truly, whose heart is hardened against overwhelming evidences of Jesus’ subordinate position to his father?

Syncan:
1:6 And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.
1:7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.

God commanded the firmament, and the firmament obeyed. Where did he command Jesus and Jesus swung into action like you claim, to make the firmament divide the waters....Chai, watch tower go kill somebody o

I hope you have not forgotten what you were trying to proof. Now you have accepted that whatever God accomplishes THROUGH the things he created, is attributed to him as THE MAKER.

Scriptures tell us that God created everything THROUGH his son. In view of this, the almighty God, the father of Jesus Christ, is the maker of all things.

Syncan:
I am dealing with at least three of you here, and you've been supporting each other, if there be truth in you, you would denounce any untruth by the other, but you allowed it, so when I use you, it's for all of you.

Thank you for drawing my attention to Pr.8:30 . Though you are trying to pick and chose to suit your interpretation, I will not bother to explain, but simply use scripture to confound you.

vs 27:When he established the heavens, I was there;when he drew a circle on the face of the deep.....God established(created by himself)
Vs 28:When he made firm the skies above,when he established the fountains of the deep,....God made firm(God making sure what he created is perfect)
Vs 29: When he assigned to the sea its limit, so that the waters might not transgress his command, when he marked out the foundations of the earth,......(God even marked out by himself)

Vs 30: then I was beside him, like a master workman, and I was daily his delight,rejoicing before him always...(I, like a chief apprentice was by him)

Who Established....God. Who made firm...God. Who assigned...God. Who marked out...God. Tell me again, did you say God said and Jesus went into action to make?

Jesus is God.

You expected his son to have said: "I did this, I did that"? Look at you!

He has said it all in verse 30 '...I was beside him like a master workman,...'

He knows all that were accomplished through him, were his father's accomplishment.

Since you believe what you read from verse 27-30, do you also believe the following verses?

22 [size=16pt]The LORD created me as the beginning of his works[/size], before his deeds of long ago.

25 before the mountains were set in place—before the hills—[size=16pt]I was born[/size], Pr. 8:22,25 NET

QUESTION: 1. WAS JESUS CREATED? 2. DOES PROVERBS 8:22 & 25 AGREE WITH COL. 1:15?

15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: Col. 1:15 KJV

Syncan:
I am in my comfort zone, the God that needed no proxy to Create is with me. You responded abi, that God said the word and Jesus went into action to make it happen? Chai


Gen 1:6-7 And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters. And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.

God said and God made...Jesus is God.

In other words, if God uses what he created to accomplish his purpose, he has no right to say he is the maker? He is the maker of all that he did through his son whom he created.

[size=14pt]QUESTION: According to that Gen 1:6-7, the firmament divided the waters, but why did God say he divided it?
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Syncan:
Just trying to let you know why you should not confuse person with entity.

Meanwhile be truthful : If Jesus, and not the father created all things, Who was it that in Gen 1:1 created heaven and earth. Who said in Gen 1:3 "let there be light". Who rested on the seventh day after creating man on the sixth?

Has he told you it's not the father of Jesus that created all things? It appears you are subtly looking for a comfort zone.

I responded to it already, am still awaiting your response, and don't ignore the question I raised therein.

Syncan:
I am the one who have been showing you what the scripture says, you are the one who have been adding and subtracting to and fro scriptures to help your error. see a few below.

1. You accuse me of quoting Ph 2:5-9 and removed the word, ‘not’. Can you please mention the page where the post can be found?

2. Col 1:15 was quoted to support the statement in parenthesis. See how it was below:

His father created him first (he is the firstborn of every creature, Col 1:15 KJV) and thereafter used him to create other things.

Why did you make it appear Col 1:15 KJV was at the end of my statement, to imply everything was taken from Col 1:15?

3. Again, you removed Pr8:30 I quoted to support the following:
‘….. I was master-workman at his side…’

You did not only remove it, but introduced Gen.1:3 that I never cited, but only paraphrased.

You ignore questions crying for answers in those posts, but are busy editing and misrepresenting my posts to deceive readers.

Syncan:
In other words, God created the world by proxy!

Mine, is to show you what the bible REALLY teach; how you decide to take it, is yours.

Syncan:
Ah, how come you didn't answer the question I asked you. It was there for almost an hour before you posted this, please give me an answer so I can go ahead.

Question Again. If Jesus, [size=14pt]and not the father[/size] created all things,

Who was it that in Gen 1:1 created heaven and earth?

Who said in Gen 1:3 "let there be light"?

Who rested on the seventh day after creating man on the sixth?

Your time starts now!

Freksy:
His father created him first (he is the firstborn of every creature, Col 1:15 KJV) and thereafter [size=14pt]used him[/size] to create other things.

God created all things BY USING or THROUGH his son.

Syncan:
To all. I saw the below from the oga at the top.




I don't even know what hard word to use in condemning that claim contained therein.

However, my question is: If Jesus, and not the father created all things, Who was it that in Gen 1:1 created heaven and earth.

Scriptures plainly show that the Word was God’s agent through whom all other things came into existence.

“This one was in the beginning with God. All things came into existence [size=14pt]through[/size] him, and apart from him not even one thing came into existence.”—Joh 1:2, 3

There is “one God the Father, out of whom all things are, . . . and there is one Lord, Jesus Christ, [size=14pt]through[/size] whom all things are.” (1Co 8:6)

God spoke, and the son acted on each WORD from his father. In other words, God created THROUGH his son, ‘the word’.

Who said in Gen 1:3 "let there be light". Who rested on the seventh day after creating man on the sixth?

THE FATHER SPOKE, THE SON ACTED ON EACH WORD SPOKEN BY HIS FATHER
God said: ‘let there be light.’ ‘The son, (the master-worker) moved to action, and there was light‘….. I was master-workman at his side…’ Pr8:30

God rested after creating man, and of course we need not be told that his son, through whom God created man rested too.

In the heaven, the son was/is known by the tittle: ‘the word’. A title often describes the function served or the duty performed by the bearer.

[size=14pt]QUESTION: Why is God’s Son called “the Word.”?
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Syncan:
The bold fonts in red are my comments on your performance, if you keep quiet, maybe you can learn. But you need to keep quiet first. Jesus is God.

Ok, I will try to be quiet.

Sir, but here you’re basically saying nothing, for even you, are also a God. Even Demons too, are Gods.

Please, IS JESUS THE ALMIGHTY GOD? IS JESUS THE FATHER OF JESUS?

Syncan:
What do you know about "Person"? Smh. When did God create Jesus? The account of creation is still in Genesis, please tell me which day. If you want to know what that passage talks about then listen:

Point of correction: Genesis account of creation, divided into epoch of days deals majorly on the preparation of earth for life. Nothing is said about creation of spirit beings, so you don’t have to know WHEN he was created before you believe he was created. Angels were created, but WHEN?

Your mistake is of concluding that Jesus was created because he is called "first-born of every creature." One obvious problem here is born and created have very different definitions. Even when considering natural childbirth, we know a child does not come into being when he is born, but nine months earlier. Neither would Christ have "come into being" when he was begotten of the Father. Indeed, when Jesus is called first-born in Colossians as you pointed out, he is referred to as such before creation and time even existed. He was begotten from all eternity. As such, he would have never "come into being."

Sorry, you are not any close to addressing this. The expression is self-explanatory. Simply put; Jesus was the first among what were created. He is a CREATURE.

Syncan is the firstborn of every NAIRALANDER. = it’s either you are the eldest among us (NAIRALANDERS) or the first to have registered on NAIRALAND. Whatever is the case, you are a NAIRALANDER.

‘The firstborn of every CREATURE’ implies Jesus is a CREATURE.

A second, related problem arises when one considers the title first-born. Even in its Old Testament usage, this title was not restricted to a sense of time. The emphasis was on a place of pre-eminence given by a father to his son. Isaac, Jacob, and Ephraim received the blessing of the first-born though they were not first-born in time.

Stop talking what you don't know. Jesus is God.

Ok, I will stop talking what I do not know. JESUS WAS CREATED, that, I know.

Syncan:
Mtchew! So many words, yet have said nothing. Your throne, O God, is for ever...Solomon's reign ended, Jesus reign is forever and ever. The truth shall set you free.

Good! This is a step in the right direction. At least for once, you have recognized Solomon as one who had also being on ‘the throne of David’ that God promised would last forever.

‘God is your throne forever and evermore; the scepter of your kingdom is a scepter of equity.’

If anyone on the throne is/was addressed as a God, then Solomon that had being on that throne was a God.

Syncan:
[b]IS JESUS THE ALMIGHTY GOD? IS JESUS THE FATHER OF JESUS? There is the father,

The 1st distinct person

Syncan:
[color=#990000]the son

The 2nd distinct person

Syncan:
and the Holy Spirit,

and the 3rd distinct ‘person’

Syncan:
The father is not the son,

Confirmation of the distinction between the father and the son

Syncan:
the son is not the Spirit.

Confirmation of the distinction between the son and the spirit

Syncan:
The father is God,

The 1st distinct person is a God

Syncan:
the son is God

The 2nd distinct person is also a God

Syncan:
and the Holy Spirit is God,

And the 3rd distinct ‘person’ is a God too.

In view of the above, is it hard to see that the 3 distinct persons are Gods? See his conclusion below and judge for yourself what Satan is using the trinity to promote.

Syncan:
yet not three Gods, but One God. There is one eternal God, who exists as a mutual indwelling of three persons: [size=14pt]God[/size] the Father; [size=14pt]God[/size] the Son; and [size=14pt]God[/size] the Holy Spirit, which make up the Trinity.[/color]
Nothing

The father, the son and the Holy Spirit are three distinct persons, and each is a God, according to 3nity dogma, yet you WILLFULLY REFUSE to accept that 3nity is nothing, but the worship of [size=14pt]3 Gods[/size]. Keep being a tool in the devil’s hand used as his harbinger of falsehood!

Syncan:
Answer, so all will know your true position. I have answered

Ok, clap for yourself.

Syncan:
What is the meaning of begotten? Can the almighty God ever be described as ‘begotten’? Who is the almighty, the begetter, or the begotten?
Someone asked this question before you, I will treat it when I respond to him

ok, I am waiting to see your response.

Syncan:
In the beginning of what? Do I even need to answer this? In the beginning of time, in the beginning of existence, in the beginning of creation, in Gen1.1.

‘With’ is suggestive of two different persons, TRUE or FALSE?... As long as what you referred to as 'persons,' are not in any way like separate individuals in the category God (e.g., the Father as the 'old man,' the Son as the 'young man,' the Holy Spirit as the 'dove') It is True, else it is False.

It is false, even as obvious as it is that John1 is talking about two separate persons in the same sense that we know?

The word was a God. You are a God. Even Satan is a God. ...We are talking about the God without which nothing was created(Gen1:1), we are talking about the God who was at the Beginning(Gen1:1), We are talking about the God who owns the angels(Rev22:6, Lk12:8-9), we are talking about the God who is the alpha and Omega(Rev21:6-7)

Jesus’ authority over the angels was given-a strong proof of his subordination to the giver, his father.

Jn1:3,Col 1:16... Jesus created all things, without Jesus nothing was created
Jn1:1...The Word (Jesus) was in the beginning.

His father created him first (he is the firstborn of every creature, Col 1:15 KJV) and thereafter used him to create other things.

Rev 22:16...Jesus sends His angels on errand

Are you not aware that the one who is the almighty rewarded him with the authority over the angels? The above is too flimsy as proof of his almightiness.

Rev 22:13 Jesus calls himself, the alpha and the Omega

Mere assertion without substance. Show how that refers to Jesus, for it is evident that a number of persons are represented as speaking in this chapter of Revelation. Mention who was speaking at that point.

Lo he says: "God is a spirit, Jesus is a spirit – all angels are spirit. Behold so great a folly,

‘God is a spirit: …’ John4:24 KJV

Jesus is a spirit: ‘Because Christ…being put to death in the flesh, but made alive in the spirit;’ 1Pet.3:18 ASV

‘So also it is written, The first man Adam became a living soul. The last Adam became a life-giving spirit.’ 1Cor 15:45 ASV

Angels are spirit: ‘And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire.’ Heb 1:7 KJV

All heavenly beings are spirit. Debunk the above scriptures let see.

that someone should equate God with angels, the creator with the created, the eternal with the finite, even in the guise of form. They are equal in form." Never did scripture talk about equality of an angel with God, never.

All mankind - young and old, male and female, rich and poor, righteous and unrighteous, wise and unwise etc. are in FLESHLY FORM. That is our natural form of existence. You and a day old baby are flesh, but you are superior in age, knowledge, experience, wisdom, power etc.

Oxygen, Hydrogen, Nitrogen etc. are different elements but naturally exist in the same form – GASEOUS FORM.

All heavenly beings – God and angels are naturally in SPIRIT FORM. Though exist in the same form, God is the greatest – in age, knowledge, experience, wisdom, power etc.

What do you mean by "Spirit"? Spirit could signify: (1) a living, intelligent, incorporeal being, such as angels, demons, or spirit could be seen 2)as the active essence or breath which was supposed to be the universal vital force...are the angels this one too?

Spirit means much more than what you claim you know. If spirit means A, B, C, D,… it does not necessarily mean where meaning A is implied, meaning B must be applied. Its usage is contextual.

Even the angels, are not perfect spirits, how dare you suggest equality with God?

Perfection or imperfection has nothing to do with the form in which they exist. A perfect being in the heaven exists in spirit form, imperfect being in the heaven equally exists in the form of spirit. This has nothing to do with moral uprightness. If you are ‘perfect’, or morally upright and I am not, it does not stop us from being men of fleshly form.

But Jesus before he took flesh was God, for every attribute of God was in him, He is in eternity, He created all things. Jn1:1-3, Col 1:16.

God’s “only-begotten son,” the Word, was a spirit person like his Father, hence “existing in God’s form” (Php 2:5-, but later “became flesh,” residing among mankind as the man Jesus. (Joh 1:1, 14) Completing his earthly course, he was “put to death in the flesh, but [was] made alive in the spirit.” (1Pe 3:18)

His Father resurrected him, granted his Son’s request to be glorified alongside the Father with the glory he had had in his prehuman state (Joh 17:4, 5), and God made him “a life-giving [size=14pt]spirit[/size].” (1Co 15:45)

3.Point to where I lied (about "I am" ). It’s just your subtle way of introducing what you want to say. Are you not the one who wrote this Yet let anyone who cares open Ex3:14 in any translation and see, if there is something different from this Yet let anyone who cares open Ex3:14 in any translation and see, if there is something different from this "...Say this to the people of Israel: [b]I Am has sent me to you." Ex3:14

‘And God said to Moses “I will be what I will be”; and he said “You are to say to the sons of Israel ‘Will Be has sent me to you.’” Ex.3:14 Byington

There is neither 'I AM' nor 'I AM THAT I AM' in Byington.

Tell me, who truly is a liar?

Syncan:
May God help you in your deception as i take down this erroneous write-ups, which I've divided into three.

Which of the Gods are you referring to?

1. Reasons Ps45 was not talking of Solomon.
a. vs 2: Thou art fairer than the children of men: grace is poured into thy lips: therefore God hath blessed thee for ever. You say Solomon fairer than the children of men? This is laughable. And what was solomon's business with grace? Yet we know that the law came via moses and Grace came via Christ.

Vs 6:Your throne, O God, is for ever and ever Psalm 44:6. Solomon was never promised a rule that lasts forever, this is for Jesus, Only Jesus did scripture give that glory. Listen to the words of the angel to mary: "and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David: And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end"(Lk1:33, also Ps9:6),

The throne in question, is the throne of David. Several kings in David’s line were heir to that throne. Note that Jesus only became heir to a throne..., whose throne? The throne of his father, David. Refer to Luke 1:33 you just quoted.

God made this covenant with King David at some time during David’s reign in Jerusalem, the parties being God and David as representative of his family. (2Sa 7:11-18)

11 And as since the time that I commanded judges to be over my people Israel, and have caused thee to rest from all thine enemies. Also the LORD telleth thee that he will make thee an house.

12 And when thy days be fulfilled, and thou shalt sleep with thy fathers, I will set up thy seed after thee, which shall proceed out of thy bowels, and I will establish his kingdom.

13 He shall build an house for my name, and I will stablish the throne of his kingdom for ever.

14 I will be his father, and he shall be my son. If he commit iniquity, I will chasten him with the rod of men, and with the stripes of the children of men:

15 But my mercy shall not depart away from him, as I took it from Saul, whom I put away before thee.

16 And thine house and thy kingdom shall be established for ever before thee: thy throne shall be established for ever.

17 According to all these words, and according to all this vision, so did Nathan speak unto David.

18 Then went king David in, and sat before the LORD, and he said, Who am I, O Lord GOD? and what is my house, that thou hast brought me hitherto? 2Sa 7:11-18

The terms of this covenant were that a son from David’s line would possess the throne forever, and that this son would build a house for God’s name.

God’s purpose in this covenant was to provide a kingly dynasty for the Jews; to give Jesus, as David’s heir, the legal right to the throne of David, “the LORD’s throne” (1Ch 29:23; Lu 1:32); and to provide identification for Jesus as the Messiah.

The first person to inherit this Davidic covenant with God and sit on the throne of the LORD was king Solomon of Israel.

23 Then Solomon sat on the throne of the LORD as king instead of David his father, and prospered; and all Israel obeyed him.

24 And all the princes, and the mighty men, and all the sons likewise of king David, submitted themselves unto Solomon the king.

25 And the LORD magnified Solomon exceedingly in the sight of all Israel, and bestowed upon him such royal majesty as had not been on any king before him in Israel. 1Ch 29:23-25 KJV

Vs 7:You have loved righteousness, and hated iniquity: Therefore, God, Your God, has anointed You. Did Solomon love righteousness and hate Iniquity? Isn't solomon the one that brought back Idolatory in Israel via his foreign wives? and what is that anointing all about with respect to solomon? Nothing!!!.

Here, you are sounding very judgmental like the supreme judge of mankind. None Israelite king/prophet was without error/sin in the sight of the LORD. Judgment is God’s, not yours.

Did you take note of what is said about him in the scripture I quoted above (1Ch 29:23-25)? Can same be said of you?

But in Jesus Christ we see the one who loved righteousness, and hated sin, scripture is filled with this to the extent that the righteousness of Christ is shared to those who believe and walk in his ways. What about the anointed part, you may ask And I will answer, "What does "Christ" mean? Ah yes, it means anointed. Psalm 45 was talking about Christ not solomon

Solomon was also an anointed king, in case you don’t know. Though Solomon sat on that LORD’S throne of Davidic covenant before Jesus, however, it's worth mentioning again that God’s purpose in this covenant was to provide a kingly dynasty for the Jews; to give Jesus, as David’s heir, the legal right to the throne of David, “the LORD’s throne” (1Ch 29:23; Lu 1:32); and to provide identification for Jesus as the Messiah.

‘He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Most High: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:’ Lu 1:32 KJV

Solomon had been an heir to this same Davidic throne of covenant – the throne of the LORD.
‘Then Solomon sat on the throne of the LORD as king instead of David his father, and prospered; and all Israel obeyed him.’ 1Ch 29:23 KJV

How would you explain the following?

14 I will be his father, and he shall be my son. If he commit iniquity, I will chasten him with the rod of men, and with the stripes of the children of men: 1Ch 29:14 KJV
Is it Jesus that God was to chasten with the rod of men if he commit iniquity?

Many kings in line of David sat on that throne. PS 45:6 FIRST APPLIED TO SOLOMON. It's not the one that sat on the throne that was to last forever, but the throne itself.

'Then Solomon sat on the throne of the LORD as king instead of David his father, and prospered; and all Israel obeyed him.’ 1Ch 29:23 KJV

zyzxx:
are u telling me trinity is not biblical?

[size=16pt]YES![/size]

Gud morning

Thanks, good afternoon!