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Kobojunkie:
1. Yes, it doesn't matter how long it has to last. Job's lasted a couple of months, whereas for some, it might be shorter and others longer, but what matters is that God's promise is experienced throughout it all.

2. I keep telling you your focus is on the wrong things. Job is written to have lost pretty much everything he had so how could he have been "materially wealthy" even when his sufferings began God's? God's promise to those who are of Him is that there will be suffering and tribulations but He will take care of them through it all. Job lost everything but Job is not written to have had to beg for food, for clothing or even a place to live ... and this the least of his needs. God is the reason for this - Matthew 6 vs 25 - 34 for those who belong to Jesus Christ. Can you compare that to the suffering of others who claim to be Christians to whom you keep citing the example of job to?

3. I am simply advocating here the Truth of God as stated by Jesus Christ to all those who will follow Him and obey Him..

Job 1:1-3
There was a man in the land of Uz, whose name was Job; and that man was perfect and upright, and one that feared God, and eschewed evil. 2 And there were born unto him seven sons and three daughters. 3 His substance also was seven thousand sheep, and three thousand camels, and five hundred yoke of oxen, and five hundred she asses, and a very great household; so that this man was the greatest of all the men of the east'.

Job 42:10
'And the LORD turned the captivity of Job, when he prayed for his friends: also the LORD gave Job twice as much as he had before'.

Job was wealthy before his ordeal, and doubly so after that.

LTCtech:
It is well

By the way, don't forget to check our signature.

Somebody has lost his child you say it is well. What is well about that?

.Silent achiever!

Those buses look fantastic. My concern is what will become of the in the coming months.

We have unhealthy culture of neglect. I hope these buses will be well maintained.

Kobojunkie:
Who are children of God? They are those who live their lives in continuous submission and obedience of the teachings and commandments of Jesus Christ -- not to be confused with the doctrines and traditions of men(and their churches).
When you submit to religion, instead of to God, you cannot claim to be children of God, nor can you claim any of the benefits that belong only to Children of God.

Jesus I know whom you have quoted and referenced wouldn't in any way respond this way.

He was very caring, compassionate and sensitive to the needs of people.

His words were refreshing and brought relief to those who were weak and sick spiritually.

He did not sound judgemental or attempt to crush already 'bruised reed'.

Kobojunkie:
1. Indeed it wasn't meant as that as the events documented took place over a span of several months, according to the story itself. So, don't worry about Job's lifetime suffering catalog, instead focus on just that documented in that story which is reported to have taken place when Job was deemed righteous by God.

2. You focus is on the wrong things here. It doesn't matter the amount of suffering one has to endure,

Compare what you wrote above with what you wrote earlier below.

'And funny enough, Job's ordeal lasted only a couple of months, whereas, most of those stuck in religious rot have struggled for many years with no end in sight'.

It doesn't matter how long or short it lasted.

what is more important is that God's promise to take care of His own through it all stands.

Yes, not how long or short one suffers. His faithful stand to the end is what count the most. This has been my position. It's good you have realized this.

Job never begged for food, nor clothing or even a place to live from those who were around Him

Job was a very wealthy and healthy man. At a point he lost everything - his business, house(s), all his ten chicken, his good health etc. In spite of the loses, he maintained his integrity to the end of his trials. What point do you intend to make out of this? That his righteousness is what made him materially rich?

and that is just the least of God's promise to those who belong to Him.

In other words, if you are materially wealthy, you are of God, and if you are materially lacking, you are not God's. Is that what you mean?

3. God gave to men a a Law, Jesus Christ. Men took God's word and twisted them in order to build for themselves a system by which they wielded, albeit assumed, control over God and the things of God where their fellow men are concerned, and that is what religion is. Obviously, since religion is built on lies, it is of the domain of, you guessed it, Satan.

Leave religion out of this. You even sound like a strong advocate of one.

Kobojunkie:
1. You speak of Job, well, the problem here is that Job did not, in any of his lamentations to God, by the way, indicate that he struggled with figuring out what to eat, what to wear, or even where to live during the time of his struggles. And funny enough, Job's ordeal lasted only a couple of months, whereas, most of those stuck in religious rot have struggled for many years with no end in sight. There plight no different from that of the poor in the world. So, how can you unashamedly compare the plight of the religious and blind to that of the righteous in suffering?

You sound like what he experienced, on a scale, was lightweight comparatively.

The account of Job's ordeal was not a catalog or biography of Job's entire life.

It's obvious a man of his age might have experienced a lot , other ups and downs unmentioned in the bible. He had been a child, a youth before becoming an adult and aged.

Besides, the life's odds I experience within a year can surpass what you experience in ten years.

2. Indeed, religion is built atop the lies of men( and their churches).

3. For the majority of religions, the end of their suffering comes with death, so how can you blame Satan when the very foundation of that which is religious is rooted in lies - of Satan? Is satan really to blame for your adoption and building of your lives around these lies?

What lie about religion or Satan are you talking about?

chikishpilot:
earlier this year my dad saved around 400k, he have been saving for like 2 years now, but our elder sister started having problems (sickness) the whole of the money was wasted, and this my father doesn't joke with God o, he have been seing hell, i mean i pity that man, he is getting tired day by day, how should the children of God be in shame while the so called sinners are swimming in glory living a healthy a life, i am fed up, i have to quit, not to join another religion but rather to restore my sanity, and believe reality, is time to use praying time and double my hustle

It's unfortunate what your family is passing through. Please take heart.

Bad things happen to everyone - those trying their best to live righteously and those who are wicked.

You remind me of a certain man of God, Asaph. He felt and expressed his feelings the way you do. When you read his melody in Psalms 73, you will learn a lot from him and be strengthened.

Also, I am sure you read or heard about endurance of Job. He was a righteous man and maintained his integrity despite his trials.

It is wrong what we are sometimes taught today by some religious teachers. They want you to believe that when you embrace Christ, all your problems and troubles will be gone instantly. This makes many church members to die in silence so that they won't be seeing as sinners, as they claim bad things only happen to those who are sinners.

Yes, one day all life's troubles and problems will be gone forever, but not in this present satanic system of things. Each time you say the lord's prayer, you are telling God to put an end to all mankind's problems permanently by means of his kingdom or government.

Hismasterpiece:
If by my own Jesus you mean the one who died on the Cross and rose again the third day, then yes you will go to heaven.

I used to think it's only God that determines who goes to heaven.

Please, I want to go to heaven.

If James and John have not yet occupied the places their mother requested for on their behalf, please station me in any of those places.

I like this man, he doesn't play with his health.

It's not just about having the means, many don't care about their health.

Mr president doesn't care a bit about our criticism.

They once told us the insecurity has been addressed by this administration, that what we are experiencing today is the last kick of a dying horse.

When the US and UK warned the government of planned attack by terrorist in Abuja, they played it down and claimed it's false alarm aimed at creating panic. Everyone should be security conscious. I hope something concrete and decisive will come out of the ongoing meeting.

The old man has finished digging his grave. I am seeing him slowly and gradually descending to it.

Oh God! So much odd and enduring things happening at once in the country.

Like what Dino Melaye said, whoever survives this period till a new administration is onboard should be awarded with a survival certificate.

The most enduring and resilient people on earth currently seem to be Nigerians. Suffering and difficulties everywhere and everytime, in wherever you are and in whatever you do.

Which other region would have supported him if not southwest. He is their political godfather.

While he will surely win some state in the region, he will fair badly in other regions

He knows the APC of which he is a national leader has failed woefully, and thus decides not to camping with the party's achievement, as there will be no freeness of speech.

The girls are good enough to be the world champion

End to the brouhaha in PDP, even after the election, is not in sight.

It's becoming like the flight of two rival cult groups.

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Afenifere itself is not one. The one that endorses Tinubu is of a faction different from Adebanjo's.

South Eastern states are most likely the most disunited in this country. It seems they have waken up - Good morning!

I wish you guys don't only speak but act as one in this.

As if anything good will come out of it.

Great achievement by Governor Babajide Sanwo-Olu. But I hope BAT, the self-acclaim father, grandfather and great-grandfather of modern Lagos won't claim this one too.

They may be different in terms of their political aphillations, but not so in their religious agendas.

The expert has said it all.

'It is economically irresponsible', if this is true.

They want to selfishly cushion the effects of inflation while leaving impoverished Nigerians to die of the hardships resulting from their misrule.

The poor economy should rather be fixed for the betterment of all

How come they say we are more safe and secure than ever. That both the US & UK are just deliberately pressing the panic button to scare and destabilize us.

This will be a remarkable achievement!

President Buhari will surely be remembered and praised for this, and his soiled image redeemed.

To the INEC, thumb up!

This is the beginning of an end to misrule, tyranny and unlawful acts by this administration.

A stage is gradually being set for a new era.

We are patiently and obediently watching as things keep unfolding and emerging gradually.

We will soon be there in just no time!

So so sad!

The culprits should be made to face the full weight of the law

Thankfully, no life was lost. However, the cause of the fire should be thoroughly investigated to dismiss possibility of deliberate act, else, if the cause is what I am thinking, the possibility of reoccurrence is very high.

His effort is appreciated, but I must say; our politicians lack taste. At times I wonder if they think we don't deserve the kind of quality and esthetic finishing they see in abroad.

I am looking forward to when we will have leaders with class, quality and esthetic sensibilities.

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All forces are teaming up against this man. He keeps coming out clean

Jflex07:
Time shall tell! The only hope Tinubu urchins have just like this demented slow poke is rigging and vote buying,but e go shock una las las... I am going to his page to save this tweet..I hope he keeps to his words because I am 100% sure that the agbado drug lord will/ can never win the 2023 general election.

This is a way of telling you all is set for the upcoming election to be rigged. How else do you want the message to be passed? You guys trust in the INEC is baffling. Remember, na 9ja we dey.