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Syncan:
Hahahahaha, Jn 1:1 I In the beginning was the Word,

In the beginning of what?

and the Word was with God,

‘With’ is suggestive of two different persons, TRUE or FALSE?

and the Word was God. God .

The word was a God. You are a God. Even Satan is a God.
IS JESUS THE ALMIGHTY GOD? IS JESUS THE FATHER OF JESUS?
Answer, so all will know your true position.

God affirmed to the fact that his only [size=16pt]begotten [/size][/b]son is God, when He said to His son "Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever:..."

[b]Jesus the only begotten son of God is God.

What is the meaning of begotten? Can the almighty God ever be described as ‘begotten’? Who is the almighty, the begetter, or the begotten?

Syncan:
What is funny and hilarious is your claim that Ps 45 written by David, was talking of solomon, a king that ended up allowing Idolatory into Israel with numerous wives...Lol, the length you people can go, smh.

‘God is your throne…’. Psm 45:6 - Byington
‘Then Solomon sat on the throne of the LORD as king instead of David his father, and prospered; and all Israel obeyed him.’ 1ch 29:23 KJV

It should be noted that Hebrews 1:8, 9 is a quotation from Psalm 45:6, 7, which originally was addressed to a human king of Israel. The writer of this psalm did not think that this human king was Almighty God and neither did the writer of Hebrews think that Jesus was Almighty God.

The form(nature) of God is God. The form(nature) of Angels is spirit. Creation all exhibit one or more characteristics of God.

WRONG! The form of God is not God. It’s like saying: the form of animal is animal; the form of man is man.
God is a spirit, Jesus is a spirit – all angels are spirit. They are equal in form.

Jesus at some time was made flesh (lower form), and thus became lower than the angels. Do you think Jesus was made lower than the angels in position, age, wisdom, power and authority? He was made lower in terms of form of existence.

ALL HEAVENLY BEINGS, INCLUDING GOD, EXIST IN SPIRIT FORM. Our form of existence is flesh (lower in form than spirit). You are equal in form with a day old baby, but superior in age, wisdom, power, knowledge, experience etc. to a baby.

Shebi you lied that God doesn't use "I am" for himself, in order to avoid the obvious in Jn 8:58, Lets go to Exodus na and see

Look at you! Point to where I lied. It’s just your subtle way of introducing what you want to say.

EXODUS 3:14 And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you. Somebody's ignorance is being exposed indeed Lol.

[size=16pt]I AM[/size] sure you saw my comment on above in one of my previous posts - go back to it and address.

Syncan:
Oga (adv. Praxeam 25) is not a bible translation, it is a book containing the writings of the great Church father tertullian who was live with disciples of John, in that book he denounced heresies like the one are propagating now, in that book he quoted scripture and it was what we have now as 1 Jn 5:7. there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit. And these three are one. It was not yet 4th century according to you, how come he was quoting it?

The church in the early days didn't tolerate contrary teachings, they hold councils and declare anathema on those who hold contrary belief Gal 1:8. So the issue of people having various teachings don't count, false teachings were trashed in the council like in Jerusalem (Acts15), Nicea (325AD), ephesus (430AD), etc. This one you are propagating was trashed in 325 AD, but no you won't agree in 2014, because Russel and his watch tower society gathered in a room in 1870 to formulate things.

Through out History, even till now, 1Jn 5:7 has read in the scriptures thus : there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit. And these three are one, the martyrs on whose blood was sown the seed of Christianity read it thus, great men and women of God, and God was with them in signs and wonders as He promised, lived Holy lives while reading it thus, doesn't it bother you that at the end times you start to propagate something different?

Anyway Jesus is God. even in revelation he made it clear, all over scripture evidence abound.

With your failure to present a translation that dates back to the 3rd century with the same rendering found at 1John 5:7 in KJV, I am hereby vindicated as the truth bearer.

THERE IS ONLY ONE ALMIGHTY GOD, THE FATHER OF JESUS CHRIST. JESUS WILL ALWAYS REMAIN THE ONLY BEGOTTEN SON OF THE ALMIGHTY.

Syncan:
Hahahahaha, lies lies lies everywhere.

Now You say that Psalm 45:6 written by David, is talking about solomon, Lol, try again. Hahaha, "God called solomon God", Lol, where did you get solomon from? I go die oooo. So in vs 16, the children of which of solomon's wife are prince in all the earth, Lol. It's well my brother.

That simply shows you the folly of erroneous translation. Can you now see trinity is a thing to be laughed at? In that same post I showed you a couple of translations that rendered Heb 1:7 and Pam 45:6 the way they should, behold, you've turned your blind eyes to them as usual.

As if God knew they will make this attempt, He cleared all doubt to what was happening, when He revealed in

Heb 1:1 :God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets....But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom. Here we get the true picture of the prophetic revelations of Ps45. It was not about any earthly king, certainly not solomon, it was about God, the father and his son Jesus. And God, the father, called his son Jesus, God.

Keep recycling. It's obvious you don't have anything meaningful to say. Go to my previous posts and address accordingly, for this trash has been thoroughly debunked.

Hahaha, now the equality of Jesus with God is because Jesus is Spirit. Therefore angels are equal to God, even man, when he sheds this flesh is equal to God...chai I de greet o. Lies everywhere, angels are also spirits, yet only man was made in the image and likeness of God..

In what form is God? In what form are angels? I know you won't answer any of these for fear your ignorance will be exposed.

I go die for laugh here, now the Jews wanted to kill Jesus because he said he was older than Abraham, which offence is that? Did Abraham not have a father, were noah, enoch and co not before him? Take a visit to John5:18, and see that the Jews were without a doubt about what Jesus was claiming. "Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, [size=16pt]but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God. [/size]That's abomination, not claiming to be older than Abraham. After all when he claimed that Abraham saw his days and rejoiced (Jn8:56), they were still arguing with him..."You are not yet fifty, they said...." But immediately he went ahead to use the word "I am", they took up stones, Jn8:58. Abeg go read your bible, stop deceiving people.


Jesus is God.

You can't even explain a single scripture correctly. You are my father means, I am equal to you. Thank you sir, for this revealed truth.

Syncan:
Hahahaha, see story. You said it was changed in the 4th century CE abi? Yet Tertullian (160-225) quoted it in (adv. Praxeam 25), abeg check that period, did it look like 4th century? What about St. Cyprain of Africa(?-258), he was already using it to preach as noted in (Jubaianum, Ep, 73). Keep peddling unfounded stories. Do you even know where the first set of books were canonized? In Africa!

Is Prexeam a Bible translation from which Tertullian quoted? Was Tertullian a bible translator? Your misconceptions are: 1. You think I am talking about the origin of trinity. 2. You think Prexeam is a Bible translation from which Tertullian quoted. You may even think Tertullian was a bible's translator.

Teachings about trinity existed long before over-zealous Trinitarian translators twisted the scripture to accommodate it. It first happened in the 4th the century. You can only refute this by presenting bible translation dated back to 3rd century that agrees with KJV rendering of 1John 5:7.

You are the one telling me stories and fail to address a point in my post.

So oga Fresky, African Fathers and writers from the earliest date in favor of the genuineness of verse 7 is of the utmost importance, as it proves that these words were found in the early African Latin Version of the Vulgate, in existence before the days of Tertullian, who quotes from it. Now, this early African Latin Version represents a Greek manuscript, from which the version was made, of an earlier date than any Greek manuscript of the Scripture now extant. Those who were present and decided what is scripture and what is not in the fourth century, all were quoting it as part of scripture without objection, Augustine, Jerome, Bonaventure, Cyril etc.

You have missed the point! That men wrote religious books on trinity, and preached same in their synagogues, is no proof that trinity had any place in the scripture then. I have told you when the scripture was first stretched to accommodate it. Debunk that with a chapter and verse(s) from translation dated back to the 3rd century. Stop advancing this inherited heresy!

Now you come in the later part of the teen century to dispute them from recopied works. It's like copying from the person who copied from the person that copied from who copied from the one that copied from the teacher, and you use it as a yardstick...smh. Imagine thomas Howe (2008), talking of erasmus under pressure in 1522, mtchew.

But you in 2014 talk of Tertullian of (160-225)

Just imagine your pick and join analogy of the spirit,water and blood. Look at the struggle to make a sense of how they relate, appearing at different times, when everything was laid bare on the cross, no wonder St. Peter said in 2Pet3:15 "....in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction". No wonder indeed.

Lol…but I did that with fitting scriptures.

1John 5:7 : there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit. And these three are one.

Jesus the son of God is really God. God said so. Heb 1:8

Hebrews 1:8 quotes from Psalm 45:6, which originally was addressed to a human king of Israel. Obviously, the Bible writer of this psalm did not think that this human king was Almighty God. Rather, Psalm 45:6, in RS, reads “Your divine throne.” (NE says, “Your throne is like God’s throne.” JP [verse 7]: “Thy throne given of God.”) Solomon, who was possibly the king originally addressed in Psalm 45, was said to sit “upon God’s throne.” 1 Chron. 29:23.

‘Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: the sceptre of thy kingdom is a right sceptre’. - Ps 45:6 KJV Was solomon the almighty God?

‘But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.– Heb. KJV

Nevertheless, there is good evidence that the proper translation of Heb. 1:8 (as well as Ps. 45:6) should be “your throne is God forever” or “God is your throne forever.”
‘but as to the Son “God is your throne forever and ever, and the scepter of integrity is the scepter of his reign’ Heb 1:8 Byington

No one should deny that the title theos (NT Greek word meaning “God,” “god,” “mighty one,” “divine,” etc.) can be applied to Jesus, just as it was applied in the scriptures to angels, judges of Israel, Moses, and (according to some trinitarian authorities) even the kings of Israel.


But theos is never applied to Jesus with the most high sense that is given only to the Almighty, Most High, only true God.

zyzxx:
If u go to bank and pay money, u will be give teller, the teller's are 3, which works as one, anytin u write on d first one will show in d duplicate

Your usage of the auxiliary verb, ‘are’ signifies plurality, TRUE or FALSE?
We can only talk of ‘the first one’ when something is more than one, TRUE or FALSE?
How many almighty God do we have?

(mind u, duplicate is not photocopy, it means another original copy). the 3 teller's are one which did different works and can't be separate
Dat how trinity is, 3 in 1. U can't separate dem even we human are three in 1.

Which is correct?
1. The 3 tellers are one
2. The 3 teller’s are one

The two duplicates are copies and can be separated, TRUE or FALSE?

Zyzxx, you have vividly illustrated to us what over-zealous Trinitarian translators did in the past. The truth is, God’s word, THE TRUTH, cannot and will not be hidden.

Syncan:
Exactly why I said you should stick to what God has revealed, just as it is, without truncating what you don't understand. So what you got from my post is that Jesus is the father? Smh.

God called His son Jesus God in Heb 1:8.

'Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: the sceptre of thy kingdom is a right sceptre.' Ps 45:6 KJV
'But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.' Heb 1:8 KJV

God also called Solomon God in Pam 45:6. Therefore, both Jesus and king Solomon are almighty God's... you can see what erroneous translations can cause?
See most likely correct renderings:
‘but as to the Son “God is your throne forever and ever, and the scepter of integrity is the scepter of his reign’ Heb 1:8 Byington Paul quoted Ps 45:6

God is your throne forever and evermore; the scepter of your kingdom is a scepter of equity. Ps 45:6 Byington

The NEB says: “Your throne is like God’s throne.”
The NJB gives us: “your throne is from God.”
The REB has: “God has enthroned you for all eternity.”
The Holy Scriptures (JPS version) says: “Thy throne given of God.”
The Bible in Living English (Byington) says: “God is your throne.”
New International Reader’s Version (NIRV): “Your throne is the very throne of God.”
The Good News Bible (GNB), a very trinitarian paraphrase Bible, renders it: “The kingdom
that God has given you will last forever and ever.”
ETC...

Thomas [size=16pt]exclaimed [/size] before Jesus " My Lord and My God" in Jn20:28

Freksy exclaimed before Syncan “Jeeesus”! Or, “oooh my God”! Therefore, Syncan is Jesus or God.
Thomas did not refer to Jesus as the almighty God. What he did is common today. We exclaim many times with similar expression before others. QUESTION: Why did KJV omitt exclamation mark (!), but some retained it?

Jesus is the word made flesh, and the "word was God" as seen in Jn1:1

Who is that one that made the word flesh? He made himself flesh? If only you can stop, think and reason for seconds, then, in your mind’s eyes you’ll see a being superior to Jesus. Even you can be called a god, as there are many Gods. We have only one almighty God, the father and creator of Jesus. Isaiah prophetically called him 'mighty God'... and so? Angels, kings - humans are gods. You are a god. But who is the almighty God?

Paul refers to Jesus when he was "in the form of God" thinking "his equality with God" not something to be grasped onto, but emptying himself and becoming man Phill2:6 (Paul takes for granted that you already know that Jesus is equal with God the father...how wrong he was about you).

God is in what form? Does his form of existence differ from those of other heavenly beings? NO!
Paul was talking about equality of form, not of age, wisdom, power…

Take it or leave it, you and a day old baby are equal in form (are same flesh), but you are superior in age, wisdom, power…

Spirit form is superior to flesh, hence, it required a tremendous amount of humility for Jesus to switch form – from spirit (to flesh to enable him leave as a human on earth), and thus became lower in form than other spirit beings with which he once had equality of form (spirit). He humbly did this without complain.

Paul wanted those Christians to learn from Jesus’ example of humility. Go back to the text and benefit from the lesson therein.

Jesus Christ used the words I am severally in scriptures to talk about himself, as a matter of fact, when He said it in Jn 8:58 , the Jews saw it as blasphemy and took up stones to cast at Him.

Wrong! The Jews took up stones because Jesus claimed to pre-exist Abraham, not because he claimed to be God. He told them that before Abraham came into existence he has been. Meaning, he existed before Abraham…the man the Jews regarded as ‘next to God’. ‘I am’ is neither God’s name nor title. Compare translations and grow in knowledge. Can you mention the number of time ‘I am’ appears in the scripture? I refer to myself with same expression daily. By such usage, am I the almighty God?

Let me stop with this for now, none of you is yet to disprove that God called His Son Jesus God in Heb 1:8.
Lol... God called a human king God - Pam 45:6 KJV

[quote]1jn5:7there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit. And these three are one. kJV

‘And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is the truth.
For there are three who bear witness, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and the three agree in one.’ 1John5:7-8 ASV

Syncan:
1John 5:7 : there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit. And these three are one.

In the fourth century C.E., in a Latin treatise, some Bible translators were so zealous to find support for their belief in the Trinity in the Scriptures that they literally added the words “in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the holy spirit; and these three are one” as if these were a quotation from 1 John 5:7. Later that passage was put right into the text of a Latin Bible manuscript. Most Bible commentaries that mention this addition tell us that it is a spurious comment added to the biblical text.

Many more recent Bible versions recognize the spurious added text and omit it. Some of these are: The New International Version, American Standard Version and New American Standard Bible, English Standard Version, New English Bible and Revised English Bible, New American Bible, Jerusalem Bible and New Jerusalem Bible, Good News Bible, New Living Translation, Holman Christian Standard Bible, Bible in Basic English and the Twentieth Century New Testament.

This verse had been erased by unbelievers, that is, the Arians, from some Greek copies, which is propagated today by you and your team. It is, however, the constant reading of the Latin Bibles, and the more correct Greek manuscripts and of many of the ancients, St. Athanasius, St. Augustine, St. Jerome, St. Cyprian, the Lateran Council, at which Greeks were present. Therefore it is certain that these words are to be taken as canonical Scripture. Unbelievers removing things from scripture since time immemorial, recall martin Luther also attempted to remove the whole epistle of James from scripture, Smh.

The large reservoir of original-language manuscripts of the Bible provides a means for checking the validity of any translation. Following this, the fraud of the interpolations at 1 John 5:7 to support the Trinity were fully exposed.

The Big Book of Bible Difficulties tells us: "This verse has virtually no support among the early Greek manuscripts . . . Its appearance in late Greek manuscripts is based on the fact that Erasmus was placed under ecclesiastical pressure to include it in his Greek NT of 1522, having omitted it in his two earlier editions of 1516 and 1519 because he could not find any Greek manuscripts which contained it" (Norman Geisler and Thomas Howe, 2008, pp. 540-541).

1John 5:8 And there are three that give testimony on earth: three are one: The spirit, and the water, and the blood:

As the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit all bear witness to Jesus Christ Divinity(Jesus is God); so the spirit, which he yielded up, crying out with a loud voice upon the cross; and the water and blood that issued from his side, bear witness to his humanity(Jesus is man), and are one; that is, all agree in one testimony.

‘And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is the truth.
For there are three who bear witness, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and the three agree in one.’ 1John5:7-8 ASV

1.Water was a witness bearer because when Jesus was baptized in water, God himself expressed His approval of him as His Son. (Matt. 3:17)
2. Jesus’ blood, or life, given as “a corresponding ransom for all,” also showed that Jesus is God’s Son. (1 Tim. 2:5, 6)
3. And the holy spirit testified that Jesus is the Son of God when it descended upon him at his baptism, enabling him to go “through the land doing good and healing all those oppressed by the Devil.”—John 1:29-34; Acts 10:38.

Jesus is really God, and stop telling lies against Christians, there is only one God, not three Gods.

Jesus is THE SON of the almighty God, but not the almighty God. Stop telling lies against both the almighty God and his son with your 3 gods in 1 mantra.

Syncan:
1 John 5:7: For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. KJV

Deal with this, there is nothing in your post to address, they are false claims by you, for no christian says there are three Gods.

7 And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is the truth.

8 For there are three who bear witness, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and the three agree in one. 1John 5:7-8 ASV

You mean no Christian says there are three Gods in one? I ma sure you're kidding!

Nevertheless, kindly shed a little light on 1 John 5:7-8, and show how this supports your stance.

Syncan:
1 John 5:7: For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

Stop living in denial.

7 And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is the truth.

8 For there are three who bear witness, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and the three agree in one. 1Jo 5:7-8 ASV

Go back to my previous post and address accordingly, stop basking in falsehood.

Syncan:
What view do you expect to hear again, verse 6 is very clear in talking about God, references where made of the father in whom all things were made, also of the son Jesus Christ (the word) by whom all things were made...(account of creation). This word (Jesus Christ) was with God, and was God, even from Beginning as seen in John 1:1. And God made it clear in Heb 1:8 when He called Jesus God.

5 For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,)

6 But to us there is but [size=16pt]one God[/size], the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

7 Howbeit there is not in every man that knowledge: for some with conscience of the idol unto this hour eat it as a thing offered unto an idol; and their conscience being weak is defiled. 1Cor 8:5-7 KJV

To some (3nitarians), there are THREE GODS (there be that are called gods - verse 5)
1. God the father
2. God the son and
3. God the holy spirit

To true worshipers there is:
[size=16pt]ONE GOD[/size] - the father of Jesus Christ. V. 6
ONE LORD - Jesus Christ, the son of the ONE GOD V. 6

Do all have this knowledge? According to verse 7, NO! E.g, 3nitarians.

starwood:
I have searched all popular translation of the bible and all read "the word is God". Of all the Bible translations, you chose to use jehova's witness' bible to prove your point. Nawa o. The word was with God proves there are other persons in one God. Following your translation, are you also telling us that everything was created by god and not God (John 1:3-4).

For more information, go to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_1:1 .

And there are many scholars/translations, whose rendering of John 1:1 is similar to that of the JW's NWT, according to this link http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20120226195730AA757Az :


C. H. Dodd - "The Word was a god" - Technical Papers for the Bible Translator, Jan., 1977.

Murray J. Harris - "the Word was a god" - p. 60, Jesus as God, Baker Book House, 1992.

Robert Young - "and a God (i.e. a Divine Being) was the Word" - Young's Concise Critical Bible Commentary.

"And the Word was divine." - An American Translation, 19th impr., 1975.

“and the word was a god” (Newcome, 1808)

“the Word was God’s” (Crellius,as quoted in The New Testament in an Improved Version)

“and the Word was a divine being.” (La Bible du Centenaire, L’Evangile selon Jean, by Maurice Goguel,1928)

“the Logos was a god (John Samuel Thompson, The Montessoran; or The Gospel History According to the Four Evangelists, Baltimore; published by the translator, 1829)

“the Word was divine” (Goodspeed’s An American Translation, 1939)

“the word was a god.” (Revised Version-Improved and Corrected)

“and god[-ly/-like] was the Word.” (Prof. Felix Just, S.J. - Loyola Marymount University)

“the Logos was divine” (Moffatt’s The Bible, 1972)

“the Word was God*[ftn. or Deity, Divine, which is a better translation, because the Greek definite article is not present before this Greek word] (International English Bible-Extreme New Testament, 2001)

“and the Word was a god” (Reijnier Rooleeuw, M.D. -The New Testament of Our Lord Jesus Christ, translated from the Greek, 1694)

“[A]s a god the Command was” (Hermann Heinfetter, A Literal Translation of the New Testament,1863)

“The Word was a God” (Abner Kneeland-The New Testament in Greek and English, 1822)

“[A]nd a God (i.e. a Divine Being) was the Word” (Robert Young, LL.D. (Concise Commentary on the Holy Bible [Grand Rapids: Baker, n.d.], 54). 1885)

“the Word was a god” (Belsham N.T. 1809)

“And the logos was a god” (Leicester Ambrose, The Final Theology, Volume 1, New York, New York; M.B. Sawyer and Company, 1879)

“the Word was Deistic [=The Word was Godly] (Charles A.L. Totten, The Gospel of History, 1900)

”[A]nd was a god” (J.N. Jannaris, Zeitschrift fur die Newtestameutlich Wissencraft, (German periodical) 1901, International Bible Translators N.T. 1981)

“[A] Divine Person.” (Samuel Clarke, M.A., D.D., rector of St. James, Westminster, A Paraphrase on the Gospel of John, London)

“a God” (Lant Carpenter, LL.D (in Unitarianism in the Gospels [London: C. Stower, 1809], 156).)

“a God” (Paul Wernle,(in The Beginnings of Christianity, vol. 1, The Rise of Religion [1903], 16).)

“and the [Marshal] [Word] was a god.” (21st Century Literal)

[A]nd (a) God was the word” (George William Horner, The Coptic Version of the New Testament, 1911)

“[A]nd the Word was of divine nature” (Ernest Findlay Scott, The Literature of the New Testament, New York, Columbia University Press, 1932)

[T]he Word was a God” (James L. Tomanec, The New Testament of our Lord and Savior Jesus Anointed, 1958)

“The Word had the same nature as God” (Philip Harner, JBL, Vol. 92, 1974)

“And a god (or, of a divine kind) was the Word” (Siegfried Schulz, Das Evangelium nach Johannes, 1975)

“and godlike sort was the Logos” (Johannes Schneider, Das Evangelium nach Johannes, 1978)

“the Word was a divine Being” (Scholar’s Version-The Five Gospels, 1993)

“The Divine word and wisdom was there with God, and it was what God was” (J. Madsen, New Testament A Rendering , 1994)

“a God/god was the Logos/logos” (Jurgen Becker, Das Evangelium nach Johannes, 1979)

“The Word/word was itself a divine Being/being.” (Curt Stage, The New Testament, 1907)

“the Word was of divine kind” (Lyder Brun (Norw. professor of NT theology), 1945)

“was of divine Kind/kind” (Fredrich Pfaefflin, The New Testament, 1949)

“godlike Being/being had the Word/word” (Albrecht, 1957)

“the word of the world was a divine being” (Smit, 1960)

“God(=godlike Being/being) was the Word/word” (Menge, 1961)

“divine (of the category divinity)was the Logos” (Haenchen (tr. By R. Funk), 1984)

“And the Word was divine.” (William Temple, Archbishop of York, Readings in St. John’s Gospel, London, Macmillan & Co.,1933)

“the word was with Allah[God] and the word was a god” (Greek Orthodox /Arabic Calendar, incorporating portions of the 4 Gospels, Greek Orthodox Patriarchy or Beirut, May, 1983)

“And the Word was Divine” (Ervin Edward Stringfellow (Prof. of NT Language and Literature/Drake University, 1943)

“and the Logos was divine (a divine being)” (Robert Harvey, D.D., Professor of New Testament Language and Literature, Westminster College, Cambridge, in The Historic Jesus in the New Testament

starwood:
I have searched all popular translation of the bible and all read "the word is God". Of all the Bible translations, you chose to use jehova's witness' bible to prove your point. Nawa o. The word was with God proves there are other persons in one God. Following your translation, are you also telling us that everything was created by god and not God (John 1:3-4).

Earnestly, it beats me how you arrive at the expression in bold. I will appreciate it if this can be supported with any scripture.

As for the King James Version's saying in the latter part of John 1:1 that the "Word was God," other translations say something different. Some are as follows:

1808: "and the word was a god." The New Testament, in an Improved Version, Upon the Basis of Archbishop Newcome's New Translation: With a Corrected Text, London.

1864: "and a god was the Word." The Emphatic Diaglott, by Benjamin Wilson, New York and London.

1935: "and the Word was divine." The Bible—An American Translation, by J. M. P. Smith and E. J. Goodspeed, Chicago.

1935: "the Logos was divine." A New Translation of the Bible, by James Moffatt, New York.

1975: "and a god (or, of a divine kind) was the Word." Das Evangelium nach Johannes, by Siegfried Schulz, Göttingen, Germany.

1978: "and godlike sort was the Logos." Das Evangelium nach Johannes, by Johannes Schneider, Berlin.

1979: "and a god was the Logos." Das Evangelium nach Johannes, by Jurgen Becker, Würzburg, Germany.

Also, in 1950 the New World Translation of the Christian Greek Scriptures, published by the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of New York, Inc., rendered the phrase, "and the Word was a god."

Do such renderings agree with the grammatical construction of John 1:1 in the Greek language? Yes, they do.

At John 1:1 there are two occurrences of the Greek noun the·os' (god). The first occurrence refers to Almighty God, with whom the Word was—"and the Word [lo'gos] was with God [a form of the·os']." This first the·os' is preceded by a form of the Greek definite article ho. The noun the·os' with the definite article ho in front of it points to a distinct identity, in this case Almighty God—"and the Word was with [the] God."

Considering the above, Jesus is distinct from his father in identity, and like he said at John 14:28, his father is greater than him.

morefire:
the concept of trinity can never make sense to common sense...

it is what it is

God the father
God the son and
God the Holy spirit

they exist independently yet they are one...

it is not a subject to be debated rather it is to be respected

have a nice day yall

Prove that you are not confused by shedding some light on the bolded for all to see your position clearly.

jdula:
Trash

Debunk op's submission let see.

malvisguy212:
Jesus claimed to have many of the attributes that God alone possesses.
Jesus claimed to have sent the prophets:
"Therefore, behold, I am sending you prophets and wise men and
scribes;some of them you will kill and crucify, and some of them you
will scourge in your synagogues, and persecute from city to city,
(Matthew 23:34)

However, the Old Testament indicates that God sent the prophets.16 Therefore, Jesus was claiming the authority that was previously
reserved only for God.

Can Satan not also send prophets? If he can, therefore, Satan is the almighty God.

Jesus claimed that His origins are from heaven, whereas men are from the world:
"And no one has ascended into heaven, but He who descended from
heaven, even the Son of Man. (John 3:13) And He was saying to them,
"You are from below, I am from above;
you are of this world, I am not of this world. (John 8:23)

All spirit sons of God(including Jesus, his only begotten} existed before all flesh on earth. They(including Jesus) are not from this world of fleshy mankind. Therefore, since angels are not from this fleshy world of mankind, but from above(heaven), are they almighty God(s)?

Not only did Jesus claim to come from heaven, but He said that it was "my kingdom" Isn't heaven God's kingdom?
that you may eat and drink at My table in My kingdom, and you will
sit on thrones judging the twelve tribes of Israel. (Luke 22:30)
Jesus answered, "My kingdom is not of this world. If My kingdom
were of this world, then My servants would be fighting, that I might
not be delivered up to the Jews; but as it is, My kingdom is not of this
realm." (John 18:36

The father made a covenant with his son respecting His kingdom. God appointed him to serve as king in his(father's kingdom). Based on this, Jesus, as a king designate can describe such kingdom as his own. If you have been appointed as a king, by virtue of such appointment, the kingdom is yours, but is no proof of your almightiness. Later, Jesus extended the same covenant to his chosen disciples. They too will be kings and judges. See below:

28 Ye are they which have continued with me in my temptations.

29 And I appoint unto you a kingdom, as my Father hath appointed unto me;

30 That ye may eat and drink at my table in my kingdom, and sit on thrones judging the twelve tribes of Israel. Luke 22:28-30 KJV.

Jesus claimed to have existed before He was born in Bethlehem:
"I tell you the truth," Jesus answered, "before Abraham was born, I
am!" At this, they picked up stones to stone him, but Jesus hid himself,
slipping away from the temple grounds. (John 8:58-59)
The claim included the term "I am" - a reference God made of Himself when talking to Moses. The Jews immediately recognized that Jesus was claiming to be God and attempted to stone Him.

That statement simply means Jesus existed before Abraham - thus, older and greater than him. Nothing in that statement suggests Jesus claimed to be the almighty God. The Jews did not believe Jesus was sent by God - was the promised messiah. They regarded Jesus' statement as blasphemous and utter disrespect to the man whom all Jews adored so much - Abraham. Hence, they attacked him.

Jesus also claimed to have existed "before the world began":

"And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had
with you before the world began." (John 17:5) This statement is an obvious claim to deity.
Not only did Jesus claim to
exist before the creation of the universe, but He claimed to [size=20pt]share[/size] the
glory of God! Jesus also claimed that He had "all authority... in heaven and on earth" and that everything of God was His.

God created him first, and thereafter used him to create other things. So, he was there before creation of the material heavens, and of course, the earth and all the things in them.

We don't share things with oneself, but with something or someone distinct from us. The son shared the glory that belonged to his father. A son having a share of what belongs to his father is not unusual. Yes, the word share shows they are separate entities/personalities.

The authority was given to him by someone else - his father, a superior being. QUESTION: Can authority be given to someone who is truly almighty God? That would sound blasphemous! Thus, Jesus is not the almighty God, but the son of the almighty God.

And Jesus came up and spoke to them, saying, "All authority has been
[size=20pt]given to Me[/size] in heaven and on earth." (Matthew 28:18) Jesus claimed to be the supreme judge who will exercise all judgment. However, there are at least 50 verses in the Bible that claim that Jehovah God will judge the earth (see Who Will Judge Mankind?). Jesus claimed to be the one to separate the "sheep from the goats".

The question again: Can someone else give authority to the almighty God? NO!!!

Jesus will be the chief judge because he has been authorized to serve in that capacity. It's no proof of his almightiness. Recall that he will not judge alone.

YES, Jesus went to hell (grave)

Hell = Sheol = Hades = Grave... they mean the same thing.

Literally speaking, there is no torment in hell, and no time in the future will there be.

nigizjay:
In the genesis account of creation, it was stated that the sun was created in the fourth day if that is exactly the case, what then is the yardstick used to determine the separate days before the fourth day?

The bible does not tell us when the sun was created.

Event of creative day four wasn't announcement of the birth of any stellar body, but of their discernibility and functions.

Days in Genesis account of creation are not solar, but epoch.

Solar day (24-hour day) began on creative day four - when the sun first became discernible/visible to man on earth, had he been there.

It helps to read Genesis account of creation from Gen. 1:1, not from Gen. 1:3

QUESTION: What made up the heavens and the earth mentioned at Gen 1:1?

udatso: Here is one problem.
www.nairaland.com/1922990/christians-problem#26668475


Quoting pr0ton
And this Jesus is just too wonderful that I find
wonders in His words. Ok. Here is the problem:
Luke 24:46
" and [Jesus] said to them, "Thus it is written ,
that the Christ should suffer and on the third day
rise from the dead"
And... The inspired Apostle Paul
1 st Corinthians 15:4
" that he [Jesus] was buried, that he was raise on
the third day in accordance with the scriptures "
Jesus and Paul allededly declear that it is written
in the scriptures/Old Testament that the Christ
would die and be raised from the dead on the
third day . Just where can I find this in the Old
Testament?
That's the problem. Thanks

Scripture talks about Jesus' suffering, death and subsequent resurrection in many places, prophetic terms and sign(s). Prominent among these, and in connection to your concern is "the sign of Jonah".

Jonah's three days/nights stay in the belly of the big fish was a message about Christ death and subsequent resurrection (after three days) given in "sign". Fittingly, this significant message was later made known by the very man, Jesus, in his answer to the scribes and Pharisees.


38 Then certain of the scribes and of the Pharisees answered, saying, Master, we would see a sign from thee.

39 But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas:

40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale’s belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

41 The men of Nineveh shall rise in judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it: because they repented at the preaching of Jonas; and, behold, a greater than Jonas is here. Matt. 12:38-41

Blackbeauty: I was actually thinking that when I get one I would be happy for it..I got the cubetalk tablet..truth be told..I miss having a mobile phone..The truth hit me hard after I got a tablet that I actually don't need one..Well,asides using it to read ,its virtually useless.

Firstly, its not sth I can carry about with ease.Asides the large screen size, it offers the same functions as a phone.Just my opinion tho..I think anyone is far better off with a normal 5 inch phone.In the end,u have to buy a smaller phone to use as a second device asides the tab which amounts to another waste of money.in the end..the tablet just sits there gathering dust once the initial buyer's high wears off.

My point is to ignore the hype and don’t buy one just “because everyone else is.” (This goes for any purchase.) Instead, make sure that it will really serve a function for you that your smartphone and laptop don’t. Otherwise, as magical as it may be, it’s just an expensive toy. To sum this whole thing up, I think tablets are a waste.

They fit right in between a full computer and a phone, and I do not see why we need another expensive piece of technology to bridge that gap. For some people, who do not need all the features that a laptop offers, I suppose it makes sense to buy a tablet. However, if you cannot live without your laptop, and you own a smartphone, I just do not see the reason to waste money buying an iPad or some other tablet.

How do you feel about the tablet revolution? can u honestly say you are fully utilizing your tablet? Do you think they are a waste of money?

You wanted to have, but didn't need it.

Many who have need for tablets wouldn't say similar thing.

A 5" phone won't be presentable for presentations.

Which preacher would use phone or a laptop on stage today?

For online business, many feel more comfortable doing it with tab than phone.

Phone, tablet and laptop are three different things.

Always buy what you need, not what you want or what you see others have.

IncomeTutor: I am not a fan of pentecostal church services as I grew up with
orthodox church. So, this may not be strange to many of us here.

I was in a pentecostal service few days ago and when the time of
deliverance came, it was a different aura entirely to behold.
Around me were beautiful and handsome people singing praises to God.

But when the Holy Spirit started visiting, these people were falling,
shouting, and rolling on the floor. A beautiful girl beside me
was flapping her wings (sorry, her hands) and chirping like a
bird before she finally succumbed to the power of the Holy Spirit
and fell down.

What proof can you present that the spirit that visited was holy?

She was unconscious for a while and after the Pastors have
prayed and exorcised the "evil spirit" in her, a pastor said she
is now free to live for Christ.

The question now is, "Does falling under anointing during
deliverance suggests that a person has an evil spirit in him/her?"

If you believe there was deliverance in the first place, it's rather you that should answer the question:

They were delivered from what?

jared007: don't be confused son. Let me simplify/add to what he said: a man of God is someone who receives divine revelation concerning d church.

Your comment begs the following questions:

Which church?

Who is a preacher, one that lacks divine revelation?

If one is not a man of God, he is a man of who?

Chartey: Apart from the NAFDAC problem, they've made some costly mistakes themselves. I don't want to make people panic so I'll better not say.

You describe the mistake as costly and claim it's better not to say it?

Panicking today is better than being a victim of costly mistakes tomorrow.

Vic-jay:
wetin dis one dey talk. excuse me~

So?

Lerato9: Ok i am a female and my best friend is a guy. We are extremely close and theres nothing we dont share with each other. We are there for each other during our highs and low points. I have a boyfriend and he has a girlfriend. We met during nysc in Nasarawa state in 2006 and have remained close since we both relocated and work in abuja after youth corps.

Recently, though, we have been cuddling alot. When i visit him, or sleep over at his place, we end up cuddling. On the couch, bed etc,. Sometimes he is in only his boxers and i in bra and underwear alone or lingerie.

The thing is we dont even kiss or have sex but he strokes my back, neck, thighs and stomach. I also run my fingers everywhere but never touch his pe.nis.

I derive immense comfort and pleasure from these cuddles and i dont intend stopping. I absolutely trust and adore him and he treats me with utmost respect.

Are we cheating on our partners? Is it a bad thing? Is it a sin as we are both christians and fear God.

OMG i am sooooo confused!!!M

If you don't know, and would really like to know, go and ask your partner. Your failure to share this with him therein lies the truth of what you are doing.

You both are Christians? LOL...

NO!!!

ManiCypher: Well, the baby was due on December 22 via scheduled C-section, but couldn't wait. Alexis started having contractions the weekend before the scheduled birth, and the baby was born "early" weighing 9.37 pounds (that's a big baby) at Hospital Fermín Salaberry in Victoriain. The couple named their baby girl Génesis Evangelina.

This is just the Genesis, I'm sure more shocking things are on the way.

harbiola1: I hope i'm correct if i say Jesus didn't die for such child since [s]he had to pay for his/her iniquity?

Then, where is his/her afterlife abode, Hell or Heaven?

There are two things: death through Adamic sin and eternal life through Jesus' death. Rom 6:23

Without Jesus' death, there would be no hope of resurrection from death caused by Adam's sin to life eternal.

I don't believe in hell as a place of fiery torment. The wicked will simply be destroyed. I believe in eternal life in both heaven and on earth.
Matt. 5:3,5; 2Pet 3:13. Untold number are still sleeping in death, awaiting resurrection.

harbiola1: It is generally agreed in christiandom that a child is born with sin automatically inherited from his/her parents. This sin can only be traced back to Adam/Eve through whom every mankind is a sinner right from womb. Only Jesus is free from this sin because of his immaculate conception. therefore, everybody must accept Jesus as his/her lord and saviour before [s]he could be free from Adam's heritage.
Failure to profess Jesus as such make a person to remain a sinner and Alas, no sinner will inherit the Kingdom of Heaven

*My Question for any interested party.*

If a child is born with sin, what would be his/her fate if that child died at infanthood before knowing anything about Jesus?

"For he that is dead is freed from sin." Rom 6:7

"For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord." Rom 6:23

At death, the child has already paid the penalty of the inherited sin, and is freed from its bondage. Many who die under such condition will most likely be resurrected. It reserves exclusively to God. In consistent with the above is Acts 24:15: "And have hope toward God, which they themselves also allow, that there shall be a resurrection of the dead, both of the just and unjust" KJV

The unjust May be such ignorant babies, our great great... Grand parents, and the physically challenged who never had the opportunity, or were not privileged to learn about God and make their decisions whether to serve him or not

BEAT<DA>BOOKIES:
SEE HOW PAGAN CELEBRATION LEAD THEM STRAIGHT TO HELL

Is your hell dogma not pagan?

ogedanny: I understand that christmas day marks the birth of christ and easter marks His resurrection, as a christian, which of them do you think is more important than the other?

Jesus' birth and death are important, but one is more important. "A good name is better than precious ointment; and the day of death than the day of one’s birth." Eccl. 7:1 KJV

You mention three things: Jesus' birth, Death and Resurrection. Of this three, only his death is to be marked or commemorated.

"And he took bread, and gave thanks, and brake it, and gave unto them, saying, This is my body which is given for you: this do in remembrance of me

"For I received from the Lord what I also passed on to you, that the Lord Jesus on the night in which he was betrayed took bread, For every time you eat this bread and drink the cup, you proclaim the Lord’s death until he comes.". 1 cor. 11:23,26 New English Translation.