Freksy:




God created all things BY USING or THROUGH his son.

TheTerrible:


why the elation? Why is there so much confidence in your post? Or is it because you've been dissecting those who call themselves 'christians' but don't have an in-depth understanding of the Word of God?


As to your first question, it was God that created/made the heavens and the earth.

2. It was God the Father that said 'let there be light'. Let me also bring to your notice that Jesus is the Word of God and Holy Spirit is the Power of God.
So you can say that
God the Father said the Word(= Word of God= Jesus) and light came as a result of His Power(= the Holy Spirit= Spirit of God)

so when God said 'let there be light' it is also saying God the Father said 'let there be light', it is also saying God the Son said 'let there be light', it is also saying God the Holy Spirit said 'let there be light'.

It was God who rested on the seventh day and who also made man on the sixth.

So from my explanation you will deduce that:

God = The Trinity = God the Father+God the Son+God the Holy Spirit.

Freksy:

His father created him first (he is the firstborn of every creature, Col 1:15 KJV) and thereafter used him to create other things.

Syncan:



Hahahahahaha, it's because am standing on the truth, which you've just confirmed.

Syncan:


In other words, God created the world by proxy!

TheTerrible:


i don't get you oh? Which truth are you talking about?

Freksy:


Mine, is to show you what the scripture says; how you decide to take it, is yours.

Freksy:


Phil2:5-9 . Christ Jesus "Who, being in the form of God,thought it not robbery to be equal with God:..."Not" removed from Phil2:5-9.

His father created him first (he is the firstborn of every creature, Col 1:15 KJV) and thereafter used him to create other things. ...Colored font added to Col1:15

God said: ‘let there be light.’ ‘The son, (the master-worker) moved to action, and there was light‘....Colored font added to Gen.1:3

CANTICLES:
4.) What do you mean by" they are not three Gods but one"?
5.) What do you mean by " in this trinity of persons"?

CANTICLES:
@ Syncan .... Dat scripture only says baptize in the name !!! And It didnt say " God the father, God the son, God the holyspirit" !!!!

They bought the land in the "name of UNILAG"!! Has nothing to do with God

I Wonder What someone like you will think about 1tim 5:21 wich says " I command u in front of God AND Christ Jesus AND the chosen angels" !!! Goin by ur analogy .... They ar all one person! God= Christ Jesus= Chosen Angels !!! Whatever makes u different those angels will also mean God and christ jesus are different ! U may call it Billionity

dolphinheart:
10) does jesus have the same entity as the father, are they one and the same?(b)can jesus and the father be in the same place and same as two different spirit creatures interacting with each other?
11) if they are equal , is possible for them to exchange roles ?

Syncan:
Every object man can think of, that is, everything that can be subject or predicate of a proposition has been grouped into nine (10) categories, they include: substance, quantity, qualification, relative, where, when, being-in-a-position, having, doing, being-affected

To give a rough idea, examples:
of substance are man, horse;
of quantity: four-foot, fivefoot;
of qualification: white, grammatical;
of a relative: double, half, larger;
of where: in the Lyceum, in the market-place;
of when: yesterday, last-year;
of being-in-a-position: is-lying, is-sitting;
of having: has-shoes-on, has-armour-on;
of doing: cutting, burning;
of being-affected: being-cut, being-burned.


All these are lumped into two main Headings :Substance and Accident. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accident_(philosophy)]

1. Substance (οὐσία, ousia, essence or substance). A Substance is that; which is not an accident. divided into two:

(a) primary substance: is that which cannot be predicated of anything or be said to be in anything.eg. This particular tree, this particular man.

(b)secondary substances, which are universals and can be predicated.



2. Accident: That which may or may not belong to a subject, without affecting its essence. All other nine categories of objects above belong to accident. For example, a chair can be made of wood or metal but this is accidental to its being a chair: that is, it is still a chair regardless of the material from which it is made

we now have a definition comprising the five notes that go to make up a person: Remember we said that a "Person" is defined as“an individual (primary) substance that is complete, subsistent, and is of a rational nature

(a) substance-- this excludes accident; the
(b) complete-- it must form a complete nature; that which is a part, either actually or "aptitudinally" does not satisfy the definition;
(c) subsisting --the person exists in himself and for himself; he is the ultimate possessor of his nature and all its acts, the ultimate subject of predication of all his attributes; that which exists in another is not a person;
(d) Individual---this excludes the universal, which has no existence apart from the individual; e.g. Man, Dog, Angel.
(e) rational--- excludes all non-intellectual objects.

Any thing being considered, that fails to satisfy even one of these five notes, is not to be called a person. e.g


The human soul belongs to the nature(humanity) as a part of it, and is therefore not a person, even when existing separately. (falls short of b)

The human nature of Christ does not exists in himself and for himself, but exists “for and in line with the activities” of the Divine Personality of the Word. It is therefore communicated by assumption and so is not a person. (falls short of c)

Lastly the Divine Essence (God), though subsisting per se, is so communicated to the Three Persons that it does not exist apart from them; it is therefore not a person. God as an entity is not a person (falls short of d)


So there you go, we have our full definition of a person, so anything we are talking about and using person, has to follow these rules.

Exercise: Check if the word is a person.

dolphinheart:



Sir I do understand the English you are trying to teach me. Its the philosophy I have problem with, why? , because its simply man made analogy and not from the bible.
Man through language, definition, philosophy, and belief can term God to be anything he wants it to be .
That is why the bible tells us to be wary of such knowledge and belief what the bible tells us .

So therefore, sir , using the bible as the basis , can you answer the questions I asked ? If you re not answering it , let everyone on the thread know so that we can move on .

CANTICLES:
Trinity is d greatest absurdity in dis era !!!

If someones reads Colosians 3:1 that says " Christ Seats at the right hand of God" !!! Accordin to trinitarian absurdity .... That scripture means

" Christ seat at the right hand of God the father, the son , the holyspirit" !!!! Trinity is total heresy !!!!

Syncan:


Just trying to let you know why you should not confuse person with entity.

Meanwhile be truthful : If Jesus, and not the father created all things, Who was it that in Gen 1:1 created heaven and earth. Who said in Gen 1:3 "let there be light". Who rested on the seventh day after creating man on the sixth?

Syncan:



Please just let your brain work for a minute, don't be quick to push out words. It is very clear that I started by explaining to you the import of the use of the phrase "In the name". If you see any where "in the name" was used for the three you just wrote there together, please let me know. Go check the latest watchtower edition, maybe a new adulterated bible is out that has it. Stop exposing your lack of comprehension. Smh at "in front of".

Syncan:



I am the one who have been showing you what the scripture says, you are the one who have been adding and subtracting to and fro scriptures to help your error. see a few below.

Syncan:


Just trying to let you know why you should not confuse person with entity.

Meanwhile be truthful : If Jesus, and not the father created all things, Who was it that in Gen 1:1 created heaven and earth. Who said in Gen 1:3 "let there be light". Who rested on the seventh day after creating man on the sixth?

dolphinheart:


They say they are three that make one, but that one is not three in it( me , I'm so confused)
they say the Christ is God, the almighty. Christ means anointed one, so who anointed the almighty? So confusing
They say the Christ also serves as high priest , high priest to who ? High priest to himself ?
They say they are equal, yet one learnt from the other and is always doing his will.

They say the seed is God himself
They now use English, philosophy, and other man made knowledge to explain the bible . No wonder we where being pre-warned about belief in human knowledge.

dolphinheart:


U asking the question again ? Pls note , I never said "jesus and not the father created all things". Dnt twist my word like u trying to twist d bible .

Jehovah is our creator
We are created by jehovah through jesus,
Jesus is Gods master worker.
God wanted to create light, he said it and jesus did it .
If these answer is not good enough for you , let me know so that I can show you where in the bible I took those words and explanation from .


Pls , even if I'm confusing person with entity, pls answer my question in the same numberings as asked. If you think its entity I mean , answer as entity, if u think its persons I mean , answer as person.

CANTICLES:
before u type, relax ..... Dont let ur anger control u, u sud control it or else u may develop hypertension ! Thanks for da insults .....

Am not perfect by sayin "in front of" and av humbly correct my mistake !!, ONCE Again 1tim 5:21 " I charge u b4 God AND Christ Jesus AND the chosen angels" !! Whatever make u say God is also christ Jesus in dis verse then=The chosen Angels , God = Christ Jesus= Angels ! Walla ..Or else we face the truth ,God is not christ, &christ is not the chosen angels ! 1 tim 5:21

Freksy:


Has he told you it's not the father of Jesus that created all things? It appears you are subtly looking for a comfort zone.

I responded to it already, am still awaiting your response, and don't ignore the question I raised therein.

Christmasdon:
.are you madt? JESUS IS GOD.

Syncan:


Please show me where i posted that you said so. I needed your opinion and i said you should be truthful about it, true or false ?

Oh you have already concluded that I am twisting the bible, while you are the one holding on to Jehova needing a proxy Jesus to create the world. When your jehova spoke, Jesus did what exactly for light to appear? I actually thought you sincerely want to learn, but It's now clear you've hardened up your heart to hold on to a lie.

Gen 1:6-7 And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters. And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.

The truth shall set you free.

Freksy:


1. You accuse me of quoting Ph 2:5-9 and removed the word, ‘not’. Can you please mention the page where the post can be found?

2. Col 1:15 was quoted to support the statement in parenthesis. See how it was below:

His father created him first (he is the firstborn of every creature, Col 1:15 KJV) and thereafter used him to create other things.

Why did you make it appear Col 1:15 KJV was at the end of my statement, to imply everything was taken from Col 1:15?

3. Again, you removed Pr8:30 I quoted to support the following:
‘….. I was master-workman at his side…’

You did not only remove it, but introduced Gen.1:3 that I never cited, but only paraphrased.

You ignore questions crying for answers in those posts, but are busy editing and misrepresenting my posts to deceive readers.

TheTerrible:



1. I noticed/saw it

2. I will liken the person that Jacob to the Melchizedek, you cannot say He was an angel, the Personality was definitely God(probably God the Father) but the Bible says any person that sees God will die. True but i also believe that God can change/transform Himself to enable us to see Him because Jesus could also take the shape/body of man. So i would say Jacob saw God in a 'miniature' version. Also take into notice that grace and mercy played an important role in Jacob's life.

TheTerrible:

4. It was God the Father-if you scroll up you will see why i said he was able to see God the Father despite the fact that whoever sees God will die- that Jacob saw.

TheTerrible:

If you notice from Adam 's time till the beginning of the era of the new testament, God the Father was the one communicating with men, by the time Jesus came, God the Father ceased to be heard because Jesus was communicating with men. Then from the era of acts of the apostles till the second coming of Christ is the time of the Holy Spirit.

TheTerrible:

What did Jesus say He is? Or rather who did Jesus say He is?

The answer I'm giving is also my answer to the latter 'question'

Jesus said He is the Son of God.

TheTerrible:

WARNING!!!!: Satan is not a God/god rather he is the leader of the fallen angels, he is also a fallen angel. I can't remember anywhere in the Bible saying that satan is or was a God/god rather he is called names prince of persia, angel of light, lucifer, devil, accuser of the brethren, etc

Syncan:


I am in my comfort zone, the God that needed no proxy to Create is with me. You responded abi, that God said the word and Jesus went into action to make it happen? Chai


Gen 1:6-7 And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters. And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.

God said and God made...Jesus is God.

CANTICLES:
Relax .... Jesus Christ Refer To His Father as the Creator (check Matthew 19:4-6 'what God yoke togeda' the one who create them ... Mark 10:6

Freksy:


In other words, if God uses what he created to accomplish his purpose, he has no right to say he is the maker. He is the maker of all that he did through his son whom he created.

[size=14pt]QUESTION: According to that Gen 1:6-7, the firmament divided the waters, but why did God say he divided it?
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Syncan:



The one who yokes together is the one who creates, and that is God says you, OK.

Col 1:17. He is before all things, and in him all things are held together....Talking about Jesus Christ

Jn 1:3. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made....Talking about the word(Jesus Christ)

I don't even know the one to take from you guys, so who is this one talking about below:

Psalm 8:3. When I consider thy heavens, the work of thy fingers, the moon and the stars, which thou hast ordained

Jesus is God.