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The bolded is where you are getting it wrong. While Igbos might prefer to fly out from Enugu, how many foriegners have Enugu as their destination? Or do you seriously expect airlines to land half full in Enugu because Igbos want to fly from there?.
Even with all the oil companies and foriegners in PH, how many airlines fly direct to PH? That should give you an idea of the viability of the Enugu airport.

Foreigners are not the major travelers to Nigeria. Nigerians are. If A flight leaves Enugu filled, there is every likelihood that it will return to Enugu filled. Besides, they can stop over at Enugu, drop folks there, and go elsewhere to drop other folks and pick new folks, and return to Enugu for the outbound flight. This is a regular practice world over.

logica: Dude shut up already. Why won't it be the first time you've heard it? You that asked this kind of question: "how can they get 4 visas in a week?" Can you actually be considered a knowledgeable person in ANY subject?

Still waiting for a list of your ''mobile executives'' who travel 3-4 times a week by flight outside Nigeria

You think say naija na America

Mallam20: All Nigeria needs now is even development not politics. I live in Port-Harcourt and recently went to Abu Dhabi for a two weeks certification course. I havet to go to Lagos because there's no connecting flight from Port-Harcourt to Abu Dhabi and in my coming back it was only God that saved us in the local flight I boarded and[b] I also want to let us know without sentiment that most the guys in my international flight were ibos[/b].

That in color is a reasonable response. How can a nation grow when development is uneven?

On connecting flights and all that, it depends on the route. You can fly to PHC from outside with Lufthansa with a stop especially in Frankfurt and not having to stop in Lagos.

I am sure if certain airlines are dedicated to certain routes, then each of the international airlines will maximize profit in their niches, while letting the airport in question be internationalized to certain routes. All airlines don't have to fly to the same airport. In the USA some airlines have hubs in certain airports and not in others.

In Nigeria, most northerners will be heading for the middle East, so a hub for middle eastern routes will make sense to be somewhere in the North. The same can be said for a hub in Enugu for the Asian routes, where most Igbo traders travel to buy goods.
USA and European routes can be shared by all and sundry and these are places with significant Igbo population relative to Yoruba and the North.

I have seen that in bold in many flights and I can call myself a frequent flier.

logica: Emeka
Chukwumerijie
Nwosu
Chukwunonso
Uzo
Obinna
Okafor
Chukwudi
Nwankwo
Okocha

Guess what; they are all Igbo but they ALL live in Lagos.

There you have it, you are one lying mothafucker. Olodo rabata

afam4eva: The emboldened just encapsulates your level of bigotry and your allergy to common sense. At this point i don't think i can help you.

I beg leave that ''mobile executive'' jagba jantis boy. He is a non-starter.

I need him to show me a list of the so-called ''mobile executives'' in Nigeria who travel out 3-4 times a week.

tunnytox: So because few of us here arguing against the forced move are Yorubas in your own little world this makes all Yorubas against the Enugu airport?
You need to realise that it's only frustration and inability to Intelligently drive your point that makes you resort to abuse. The earlier you get a cure for your ethnic bigotry the better.

There is abundant evidence to support my claim. This is not the first time we are arguing about Enugu airport here. You can do a nairaland ''googling'' to see. Your man, Omotoba, former Minister of Aviation, nearly killed off the Enugu airport internationalization.

Katsumoto: Arguing that a huge percentage of executives are not Igbo is not the same thing as saying there are no Igbo executives. Please learn to phrase your sentences better.

Moreover, didn't many Nigerians criticize the Nigerian government over the way it handled it's relationship with Virgin? Especially after the interview Branson gave.

How do you even define ''executive'' and can you support the claim that there are less Igbo ''executives'' capable of flying out of Nigeria than others?

logica: Monkey, I don't expect you to get it, but I will say this again. NOT all traders travel. A lot more business executives travel MORE FREQUENCY, some even up to 3/4 times in a week. And if any of the executives are Igbo, there is very little chance they reside in the East. Most reside in Lagos and Abuja. Any more education and you will have to start paying.

Many of your business executives reside in Nnewi. And, no Nigerian ''mobile executive'' travels out of Nigeria 3-4 times a week. Not even Dangote the richest African does that. Do the math. Monday to Sunday - when does he travel and when does he return to travel again, and return to travel again, 3-4 times a week? You small time liar

logica: Feel free to laugh o. There's an adage about along the lines of a mad man laughing when there is nothing of humor.

Further you speak as if they travel every time they need to receive goods; when actually they only travel once to establish a contact. And goods flow from then on. Phone calls and emails are used to establish contact.

I have clearly stated the kind of execs I speak of - "mobile execs". You do know the meaning of "mobile" don't you? Now you too are wondering whether it's possible to travel 3-4 times a week. Please get treated by reading the post where I properly treated your guy "afam4eva". I cannot administer another dose here.

The same in bold is apter for your business executives. You are one lazy thinker. Please mention to me 10 ''mobile executives'' in Nigeria.

afam4eva: This may actually be the first time Nigerians are siding with foreign airlines against their own countries. Why? Because it's Enugu airport and not Ibadan or Kano. Had it been Kano that those airlines were told to land, that house of reps mallam won't open his dirty mouth to shout sectionalism and we won't even be arguing here. But because they were told to move to Enugu because of lack of space, it has become the worst thing to happen to Nigeria after Abacha. God will deliver all of you.

As for that logica. You better change your user name to "illogica" because this is the first time i'm hearing that there are more business executives than traders. Mind you a huge chunk of those executives are Igbos except you're implying that there are no Igbo executive therefore implying that all Igbo business men are traders. I won't be surprised anyways because your level of reasoning has made me to expect anything from your air-head.

He is playing brain games, something I am good at
According to him, Nigerian business executives travel 3-4 times a week (a big lie of course) while traders don't
And I am saying that 90% of importers are Igbos who travel very often to their business partners abroad. One business executive = 20 traders. That is the ratio

I do not even want to talk about he fact that many of the so-called business executives are also Igbos.

tunnytox: You're now showing your rascality, what has Yoruba got to do with this issue? The complainant is not a Yoruba yet you find it easy to put blames on Yoruba for any of your failures. And tell me if you're not bigoted why you have to write Yorober instead of Yoruba?
I knew all these while that the reason you argue blindly is nothing but due to your bigoted mind.

Because they are the ones arguing stupidly against an airport in Enugu. Got it?

logica: So Igbo traders travel 3/4 times in a week consistently? Or what dent are you speaking about? And are you trying to claim all traders actually travel? Stop twisting. Not all traders will be given visas and only a few actually get to travel; and they travel less frequently that company execs. You may need to stop typing to get it.

One single trader may not, but the sheer number of traders traveling on weekly basis trounces one or two company executives who travels more than once a week

BTW, are you claiming all company executives travel, let alone travel 3/4 times a week? That will be one bogus claim. They will only travel out of Nigeria once, and make several stop overs in other countries for their business. How can you travel 3-4 times a week from Nigeria. You make me laugh.

Katsumoto: It doesn't address the questions I posed

The minister and the Igbos believe the route is viable.

The airlines are objecting to using that route.

Why is it those who don't believe in the viability of the routes that have to use the route? Why not those who believe in it's viability?

You need to stop using monkey sense.

You have no clue what is going on at the present time, and a good investor will not announce his investment before they are ready to kick off.

Katsumoto: 1. As usual, when there is a failure, blame others
2. If Igbo businessmen are already plotting to seize on the opportunity, why is the Nigerian minister, who is from the East, going to put them at a disadvantage in competing with already established foreign airlines?
3. I don't see a Yoruba man arguing for the viability of the route; Will someone be investing in a venture if he/she doesn't believe it is viable? It was silly of you to make that statement.

The minister can put anyone anywhere at the moment to fill a gap. When the local airlines are ready they will compete with the existing ones. That is the Igbo spirit: unlike you, we do not fear competition.

logica: LOL. Did I say Igbo traders are denied multiple entry visas? How about you teach your guy (afam4eva) about visas and then read and understand my post before replying me.

That fact puts a dent on your claim of company executives traveling more than others. They have equal opportunity to do so as traders, and we know we have more traders than company executives in Nigeria. We also know that 90% of the import business in Nigeria is held by one group: Igbos. These importers do not swim to those countries to negotiate and import. They fly.

Katsumoto: It has been over an hour, yet none of those arguing about the viability of the route has attempted to respond to this.

If the route is so viable:

why aren't Nigerians seizing the opportunity?

Why isn't the government encouraging Nigerian Businessmen to seize the opportunity?

Why is the Nigerian government pushing the profit to foreign airlines?

Wouldn't it be better for Nigerian firms to make the profit from this route?

Why aren't the most business minded (as we are often told) Nigerians, the Igbo, seizing this opportunity?

After all, it's in their regions and they are the main consumers.

To establish an airline you need government license and the attendant high-wired bureaucracy. You have no clue what some Igbo business men are doing as of today in that regard. Remember that Igbos have had airlines in the past. Triax Airlines, Sosoliso, etc were all Igbo-owned. So its not like we are midgets in that area. For example Orji Kalu's slok Airline was running the West African route until Govt bureaucracy came in under Obasanjo (a Yoruba man, people who take joy in killing anything Igbo) and he had to relocate to Gambia where it become the national carrier. Besides, who says a Yorrober man cannot put his airline in Enugu. Are you guys averse to establishing outside your comfort zone?

logica: See how you just revealed your id1ocy in just one phrase (in bold). Their visas are all multiple entry and for multiple years. And some don't even require visas to the countries they travel. Dumbo, where are you from? You must be one of those I speak of; your small world is confined within a beer parlor surrounded by traders. Mugu. There are more mobile business executives more than all the Igbo traders who travel put together, and mainly because the business execs are not ONLY Nigerians.

Multiple entry visas are given to everyone these days who apply for them and travel frequently. So, both Igbo traders and company executives are not discounted from multiple visas that others get.

BetaThings: This is what you said. You did not say anything about infrastructure
Neither did this person who raised the issue originally
I believe we should address the issues raised which is what I did





So I tried to address what you suggested that I do, and suddenly you are sitting back, declaring that I made no point


The SE/SS are not suddenly having a voice - you have had VPs = Ekwueme, Ukiwe, Zik. The SE formed an alliance with NPN in 1999 - 1983
You had Ironsi. Joseph Wayas was a Senate President

however, no sane person can argue with the provision of infrastructure. Read the topic of the thread
Some people are complaining of another area being sacrificed for the SE
Were it the other way, SE would protest, without any doubt



Actually the North is not really marginalised in education. It is not a FG problem. Your argument is diversionary. Southerners always talk about illiterate abokis or goats. That does not show sympathy for the Northerners. It is hubris that I see all the time



Same way nobody complained about the huge money spent on the same Akanu Ibiam airport



Why would I not want development in the East. Go and check my posts and see if I have ever complained about SE



Somebody from the SE is claiming the SE is marginalised. I advised him with evidence that it is not so. Anything raised in evidence is open in the cross-exam
Do you really want to trade Ministries of Power, Agriculture, Interior, Finance, Aviation, Education, Health for Minstries of Sports, Women Affairs, Minister of State for FCT etc?
An attack dog does not need to be screened by the Senate. So that is a low level position. I am talking about ministries and parastatals


This statement shows that GEJ is not doing it across board

Telling me to go and sleep (after saying I should not run away) is telling about your temperament and sense of fairness. Sad but instructive.
Afam does not believe that GEJ is fair across board

You are an ignoramus. Joseph Wayas is from Cross River. Minister for Agric is Yoruba, Interior minister is not from SE, education minister is not from SE, and SE minister for power has just resigned. Stop spreading half truths or we shall help you stop it.

Beta Things:

I agree that as of today the SE may not be marginalized. They have been until recently, though. Today the SW is marginalized but they saw it coming when they chose to go opposition. The SW and the North have held sway until recently. Power is transient and the SE and SS should make the most of it while it lasts.

That said the SE must continue to should marginalization until they get the presidency. They should learn to play the selfish game like the SW and the North.

logica: You tell me. What's there to brag about having containers at the Wharf? And that makes them the highest group of travelers right? I suppose they even travel more than all those highly mobile company executives eh? We are talking executives who travel 3/4 times in a week, you are talking about people who travel numerous times in a year. You do the math.

How many such companies are there in Nigeria compared to import and export business where virtually every tom dick and harry Igbo man with some cash to throw arond are giants? Besides, a good chunk of those executive also reside in the East. Nnewi industrialists and folks like Innoson Motors. I am not even talking of Igbos in Lagos who also make up a good chunk of companies executives in Lagos

logica: While I am ambivalent about forcing flights to Enugu, I find it hilarious that some people believe that Igbo traders travel the most. That's what happens when your little world is made up of traders who brag and boast in beer palors.

Yes they do and travel is no biggie. Some Onitsha traders who can hardly string a word of good English travel out on weekly basis. We are not talking of amala and ewedu and gbegiri traders.

Katsumoto: Who said otherwise.

My point was that supply and demand dictates what routes are flown and who uses them in the US.

Do all the North-Eastern states in the US have international airports?

Do you think you can catch a direct flight from London to Wyoming, South Dakota, and Oklahoma? I mean all three of them.

WY and SD are not North Eastern states though. But you can get a flight to Denver and prolly Salt Lake City from London and certainly from Franfurt, Munich, Bern, and other European cities. Besides, many of Northern USA states, except for WA, are small in population and so would not be natural hubs for international travels

ekt_bear: Chicago is the hub of the midwest though. There are others, but the traffic in Chicago dwarfs that of say Minnesota.

In any case, again....let market forces decide which places get traffic and which do not

Just like Miami and Atlanta, and one or two in TX are hubs of the south and LA and Settle are hubs of the west and the NY and DC ones are hubs of the East. It depends on the routes. They did not all become hubs at the same time and market forces must have been assisted by govt assistance in some form at some point.

When Abuja was built, the civil servants and banks didnt want to go there; the govt had to cajole, force or persuade them t do so. Now Abuja is a hub for something.

Katsumoto: So you want a foreign airline to test the viability of flying through Enugu?

Clearly, you expect that foreign businesses should be run in the same shoddy, lazy, and incompetent manner most of the Nigerian parastatals and ministeries are run.

Yes, it will be tested when IGBOS decide to fly from Igboland. Then the airlines won't have a choice. If my options and and 2 don't work due to tribal irrendentism such as those presented on this thread, then option 3 would. You do not build an international airport for the fun of it. You build it because you want it used.

If Nigeria separates today, I guess you will expect Igbos to come fly from Lagos and Abuja.

Katsumoto: Don't even go there with the US. Routes in the US are notoriously based on demand and supply. That is why many of the mid-western states use Chicago to fly International.

Chicago is only one of the international airports that people fly from okay. There are uncountable others.

PointB: Some of these guys are actually blinded pure ethnic hatred and sectional agenda, masked in some twisted logic. For all they care, Enugu Airport can rot provided it was not set-up in their region. Shm

I know. The former minister of aviation, Omotoba or something like that, nearly killed the idea of an Enugu international airport. These Yorrobers and their hausa/fulani uncles are a set of hateful species.

Katsumoto: I am sorry, I didn't realise that Enugu was right beside Abuja.

When London became congested, why didn't the British governments build an airport in Cumbria since it had no airport and force American Airlines to use?

British govt is not the gold standard, may be for you. In the USA, all the states have international airports flying same or different routes. You prefer to have two international airports in Abuja than having it spread to other parts of the country. I dey laff ohh

The viability or otherwise of Enugu as an international airport has not been tested. Give the test initiated by the minister a chance and let's see how viable or otherwise it gets.

Nigeria is a country of 160 million people (although 50% of that population are impoverished and disease-infested northerners who cant fly, or fly only once in their lifetime for Hajj, most using government sponsorship) and deserve more than 5 international airports. There is no political reason why each region of Nigeria should not have an international airport. If there is, someone should state it for me.

From an economic point of view, the Enugu airport will be viable because I doubt that all other things being equal, any Igbo traveling from Igboland will prefer to patronize Lagos/Abuja airport than using the one in his backyard.

Katsumoto: Do you think that the British government is a Kangaroo government like your Nigerian government?

Why do you think an extra terminal was built at Heathrow? Or extra runways added?

Sensible governments plan ahead. You either expand or you seek a new site.

This in bold is laced with childish irony, given your arguments so far
What was the government doing again that we are even discussing about? So they choose to seek a new site, they chose one of your options above to establish a new international fly route. Do you still have any other complains?

When you build an international airport that is not the first of its kind in a country, there are three ways you can make airlines use it (1) persuade them to use it, employing some govt fiat (2) Share the routes among the airlines, so some can use the new airport (3) inform fliers from that area, for whom the airport was built to patronize the airport. The minister took options one and two and we are debating it now.

Those who talk about market forces, ask yourself how the Enugu airport will be used (Nigerian tax payers money was used to build it) by foreign airline aside these three options.

Perhaps the minister did not even consult well; the best option, for me, would be for her to educate Igbo travellers domiciled in Igboland on the need to use the airport in their domain: creates job for their people, lessens their travel times, safer for them than riding to Lagos/Abuja before boarding a flight, etc.

Market forces don't apply all the time, otherwise Obama will leave the auto industry to sort themselves out and not bail them out. You inject govt fiat/help/regulation/whareva you call, it into something the first time, and then market forces take over. The fact that Igbos travel out of the country more frequently will make Enugu international airport the one to beat sooner than later.

BetaThings: Really? Only SS is competing with SE under GEJ. Please don't go there
Off hand, I can mention
Prime Minister - Min of Finance and Co-ordinating Minister of the Economy
Minister of Power, Health, Aviation, Labour & Productivity. These are powerful ministries
Deputy Senate President
Deputy Speaker
Head of AMCON, NERC, FRSC, SEC, NSE, NCC (No other region has even headed it),
The new head of Sovereign Wealth Fund is also from SE

Perhaps we need to start from the start, list all positions including military and police ones, since 1960 and see who is being favored more. It is too simplistic to pick and choose from the middle.

asha 80: i thought there was a report that he was arrested for fraud?

Obviously fake news concocted by Patrick Obi, the NL name of the son of Abia state Governor. Reagan Ufomba is active on fb even as we speak. You do not do facebook from a foreign prison, do you?

OAM4J: Agreed many Igbos are traders (even though many more people travel for various other reasons apart from trading) but majority of Igbo businesses are not even located in South East. Like you mentioned Alaba, of what use is the need of Enugu Airport to Igbo businessmen operating in Alaba, Kaduna, Kano and Abuja?

If Enugu route is viable, no minister need to direct the airlines before considering it. Am sure the airlines know the traffic volumes better. Besides the airport has just been re-opened, the minister should allow it gather momentum from local flights 1st, if the volume of local flights is high many of the international airlines will naturally give it considerations.

The highlighted stuff is a big fat lie. How many Igbos are outside Igboland compared to those inside? The biggest import markets in Nigeria remains Onitsha, Nnewi and Aba. Even at that, many of the Alaba boys have shops in the East too. You can ask this of them. I know a man who has shops in Aba, Lagos, and Onitsha and his boys in the Eastern shops, as with him in Lagos, travel on two-weekly basis to buy stuff.

Anyways, this argument is mute; just go to the airport lobby and sniff around about those who travel out more on daily/weekly basis. Not going to Hajj or Jerusalem on pilgrimage once in a year. OKAY!!!!!!

And, those other people who travel for other reasons you alluded to also include Igbos, no?