₦airaland Forum

ShenTeh:
Those you have discouraged with your earlier post now, they have run with the inexperienced opinion you provided.

People should learn to understand a subject properly before lording opinions on others.

If you look back today, you'll probably see a lot of things you were getting wrong as a newcomer to the UK at the time. Usually, everywhere man migrates to, the earliest days are often the toughest. It would take resilience and focus to break the glass.

Now those wey you don discourage now don go chop their transport money. And exchange rate don come worse join. You see life?

Congrats on your path of success.

Remove that word discourage. I hate it most expecially when people complain or say reality.
I never discourage anyone please. I only wrote what i experienced.

I know few of my colleagues that actually went home as they couldn't meet their fees payments. It is important that one have his full fees before coming..

advanceDNA:
Ur summary is that ....it might be hard, but still Japan...u will eventually be alright..(as long as u dont die first )

Honestly bro at last i was alright.. But some actually went back or sent back by school.

It's worthy to give thanks to God who made it possible its not by power or might or intelligent but just God

Will add more here as a remember.. Please don't mind the little errors in my typo.. I was at work when i drafted that.

This is a rejoinder because i felt that if i dont give an account on how it ended it won't be nice.
Here is the other or first thread about my complaint and how i found it difficult to adjust and meet up my financial obligations in uk.
https://www.nairaland.com/7889678/experience-uk-since-japa-warning

I want to thank all those who advised me to stay back and fight it through. After reading those positive comments and some friends here i decided to stay back.
Today i want you all to join me celebrate as i have graduated from the University here and my graduation is coming up November 29th 2024.
It was not an easy journey honestly at first i thought it will be impossible to complete my studies giving the fact that school started mounting pressure on me shortly after i decided to stay back.

I got first job December/January but honestly it couldn't sustain house rent. So i had to sell some properties in Naija to remain afloat, Then stopped the job i was on when i got another one and the pay was sustainable but lost that one after few months. Then my dependant who came leta got a job and together our finances could now sustain and also clear fees balance.
The property I sold enabled me to clear some part of school fees because that is the main burden to student aside rent


Lessons learnt so far:

1) To all folks planing on japa via school should make adequate preparation, do your planning/home work well because the first 6 months in UK is not for the faint hearted. On the aspect of school feee ensure you have plans on how to get it cleared as fast as possible.


2) If you don't know how to drive please and please learn it. You don't need to have a car before u learn. Learn now... Like now its a skill that is valuable in all field.

3) Again if you plan to japa now or in future, please know thar driving or knowing how to drive is a skill its self.

4) It is quite expensive to learn how to drive when u leave Nigeria. You can spend over 5m to learn how to drive in UK.

5) Buying a car is far cheaper as a month rent is enough to get you a modern car.

6) Having a car and a driver licence will open doors for you that are impossible to open

7) No one (Nigerians) borrow or lend any money in the UK.. I mean reasonable money like 100, 200 etc. Although u could get credit card. I mean abeg borrow me this money i go pay back so soo time.

life could be lonely amongst the Nigerian communities as everyone is chasing money. But is life fun for British? Yes the British like a fun filled lifestyle. We dont club 1/10th in Nigeria like they do here but can you foot the bill like a newcomer in town?

9) it takes an average of 3 months to 4 months to get a job. Soo I will say there are jobs especially for those who have previous experience in a field. The more experience u have the better and faster u are to get jobs.

10) don't learn automatic driving leaving manual. Please learn manual car driving then u could learn automatic. 80% of cars here are manual. U can see 2020 manual car model everywhere

11) you could use public transport to get to a place in 2:30hrs whereas same place will take u 13 minutes or less with your private car.

12) food is crazy cheap but house rent is not cheap. So staying in remote places could safe u more assuming u have a car to get to place of work.

13) if you are coming its good to have 1000 pounds set aside to learn skills thay could land u job easily. This skills and certification are just few weeks to achieve.

14) learn to network with those on ground. They already know or have some job connections hidden that could take u years to find out.

15) at least know the basics of computer operations like how to send mail, do job search via indeed. Use ms Word etc it helps.
16) in Nigeria when see someon or stranger u stone ur face.. Bone ur face trying to investigate but in the uk its otherwise. When u see someone u smile.. And be polite.

17) no power failure not even a seconds.

18) all road are connected

19) nothing like tribalism or regionality in UK. Like every uk sees him or her self equal and uphold their nationality unlike tribes we do in Nigeria.

Siberia01:

Taking loans no be crime...
What do you aim to do with it ?
Share it to NASS members as usual?
We haven't even invested in agriculture or education with all these loans
And food prices are soaring everyday
Is it to defend naira?

This is my main problem...

No any investment scheme for farmers.
I have not seen where government gets massive fertiliser, tractors, seed funds for farmers and also step to provide security in remote places for farmers.

This will boast farm yield in two years to come but they haven't done anything on that

Morizo:
I don't give a hoot about your background either and it seemed you understood my initial take upside down.

1. Labour demands are unrealistic but very reasonable due to the economic problems the political class has brought upon us
2. Labour knows no one can give them 400k or even the 250k they are advocating but as a union it's their job to bargain the most for their members welfare given the inflation rate and the ostentatious lifestyle of the political class
3. I think a realistic 90-120k might be ok and Labour will gladly accept it with conditions of a review of the current electricity hike
4. Soludo is a hypocrite of the first order cos he blindly looked away from the corruption in the government and was telling us how he doesn't collect salary but we know monthly security votes monies he pockets is more than 10 years of his annual salary. He even objects local government autonomy which says a lot about him. He shares the same theories with you that brought us to this level while corruption is overlooked. He's a born hypocrite and every civil organizations is blasting him this morning if you check insider papers today. Like Sanusi his successor they only know elitist theories that creates hardship
5. The demands on foreign currencies is caused by the political class cos the humongous money they earned legally and illegally are used more abroad for children fees, buying foreign products etc.
6. If you pay labour sat 100k as minimum wage it will increase purchasing power of a percentage of Nigerians cos they buy in the local market.
7. The governors are a bigger problem that the federal cos there are no checa to what they do since they handpick their assembly members and coronate local government chairmen. They loot recklessly and put the state's in heavy internal and external debts
8. The government is looking for FDI but harsh economic policies and environment has made 14 large scale companies to relocate in the last one year the latest being Total Energy. What policies will encourage production with these high cost of inputs?

Lastly am 41 and have been giving my inputs to alternative Governance since 19. I studied the SAP document of IBB and came out with a domestic template which was acknowledged. I studied NEEDS document too which was brilliant but poorly implemented. Like I said,, you are entitled to your opinions but I know what will work cos am on ground.

What was my initial response that you throw insult at me? I said 400k is unrealistic, 60/70 is okay given the level of inflation then the government should look for ways to curb the current inflation by

ensuring they partner with Dabgote to produce
more oil to meet local needs or go for full subsidy.

Ensure that famers are supported particularly in the north, ensure that security of famers are guaranteed.

Ansure that roads are done to easy transportation of goods to final consumer.


This ar what will ensure that food prices crash not increasing of wages to unrealistic level as it will call for full inflation.


Have a lovely day

Morizo:
Mister, you are studying MSc Advanced Micro and Macroeconomics in the UK and you think it's the El Dorado to Nigeria s economic malaise? Its just basic theories and to think studying in UK gives you any edge on economic engineering in Sub Saharan Africa then it's a blind joke. Its still the same IMF methods that are not applicable to our conflicted and corrupted system that you will be imbibed with.

I studied Masters in International Affairs and Diplomacy (MIAD) in ABU Zaria and also did my first degree in Political economy. All in Nigerian federal universities. I have also done researches in various related fields and presented papers on subjects ranging from Farmers herders conflicts, Federalism, Grassroot development as it relates to our voting patterns, comparative analysis and international trade in Nigeria, Electoral and judicial reforms, the Nigerian market trends amongst others.

So there's no faculty of thought in Nigeria with regards to discussing Nigeria's socioeconomic challenges that I cannot make credible inputs. So you are very wrong on that count but who could blame you since it's a faceless forum? Maybe you can go to my X handles and Instagram pages and see the engagements we make daily with Nigerians across all spheres. I worked with Centre For Democratic Development for two years immediately after graduation before moving on to three different CSOs and finally building our own CSO base on our tenets for nation building.

I joined politics in 2003 (NCP) as an undergraduate and contested and lost a councillorship elections which gave me a springboard to delve into grassroot administration as a part-time researcher and wrote articles that have been published and in the libraries of some councils we distributed to free of charge

So Mr, I took some time to show you a bit of myself so you don't think it's the usual nairaland nuisance you are talking to and also because you were cultured enough to give me a snippet of yourself. I respect people that develop themselves intellectually in any academic field and recognise the diversity of opinions. Like one of our tenets say, 'if you don't like the rules then get t the top and change it'. That's why we encourage young people to join politics but we try to inculcate democratic Norms to them that centres on accountability and transparent service.

If you check my nairaland profile it's registered since 2009 so you know it's not a child you are conversing with but I always engage with whoever demonstrates ideal arguments cos it's all.aprt of our political and social education as a nation.

In your submission on the solutions you forgot one big issue. CORRUPTION. Those lofty ideas you suggested have been implemented but due weak institutions it was all looted away.

In my opinion, you first build strong institutions through reforms and review of existing acts since the holistic constitutional amendment seemed impossible and some areas in the country felt threatened. People are naturally scared of the unknown and wants to maintain the order of things.

Once our legislators do their jobs without interference or corrupt inclined motives then we'll get reforms gradually.

My take

I don't care where you work or where u have worked. You idea that the government should increase minimum wage to labour request is laughable. If government should do it then private sector will have to abide by the rule.
Banks, bakery, big time super market will all have to pay minimum wage of 400,000 and guess what they will pass the price to final consumer which means prices will increase... Inflation

Private teachers wil have to pay 400,000k to teachers minimum and those selling in the market will raise same to meet the markup, government will only print more money to pay and it continues.. While productivity remains the same or drop down ... It bring inflation and purchasing Power of naira drops down...

Soludo former cbn governor share this same idea I am trying to pass to u.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXRyNAQcgLM?si=Hm1XEEcOggJFESdx

https://www.nairaland.com/8122798/pity-tinubu-he-approves-unsustainable

I think the UK recently increased it minimum wage April this year from 10.40 pounds to 11.44 pounds but here see the percentage of increment u are calling for (from 30k to 400k) what does that tell you?
And you don't just increase minimum wage to whatever percentage u like, you have to take into consideration your GDP which is ratio of wage growth to productivity in percentages... This is how modern economy works.




Lastly
I am not a kid either am almost 40 here and I have been on nairaland with different username a while

Chimama1:
Oga or madam E don do... carry your advice and dish to your family members. If nobody is asking about the related, no need coming here to pollute the environment. If you can not answer people questions asked on here but bringing up irrelevant topics nobody asked you about. Nawa...

We have heard, we won't come to the UK?!!!

I didn't ask u not to come..

If you don't have your full fees you have ur self to blame.... Is that hard for u n family members to understand?

In UK tinubu suppose de care home

Prigozhin:
I went for an interview recently outside of my my location it's 1hr 57mins by bus and I have to be reporting 7am in the morning which I can't make. He asked if I have a car I said no. I told him I would relocate but he wasn't pleased with that. This is the second time I am experiencing that. This car is another thing for securing job in this country.

Do Naija or UK reference.
Can you do security training it cost 600 to 800 pounds depends on location.

I there is possibility of seeing 12hrs work per week but the downside is that most pub only engage security Friday and Sunday simultaneously , this makes it impossible to work in two agencies and most security providers with longer hours job love to employ those who aren't students n with car.

Car is an important asset here. Without car u missed available jobs that manage to come ur way

ShyShyBobo:
E don do jare. Enough of the links you people are putting everytime.

People are not deaf and blind. You've done your part in telling what the reality in the UK is. That alone is enough.

You guys should move on., don't come here everyday attaching one BBC link or useless screenshot. You should wrap it up.

Person wey wan pay 2k deposit enter UK go understand when his eyes clear.

People dey even fear to ask questions, una go attack. Make una rest.

After all, na so people advice all of una be that. If you all listened, you won't be here advising.

You've done your part. People have given you credits. Just know when to stop with the advice.

I have made it my duty to keep informing Nigerians and nothing will stop that.

Anyone that doesn't like it, should read n pass

drlucky17:
please just keep quiet , after all nobody asked for your advice

You are in public space and have same right as he also have.

He asked a reasonable question because the same people that ask u to Japa by all means will also come to insult u once u failed to scale through


https://www.nairaland.com/8121655/uk-university-offers-fund-flights#130428787

Inosky:
They came legally to UK and are study in the schools that accepted. As long as they are not failing in their course you should allow them to finish, you may not release their transcripts until they pay all they're owing. Why evict them like refugees. Lol they can't do this to US or other European countries' citizens, they know that it just that Nigerian government is useless.

As in hem
The school even gave them 7 instalments in year 1 but in second year they reduced it to 3.
Almost all the student affected are in their second year.


Most almost through with their payments and I heard some even paid everything at last then the school confirm the payment and refused to admit them back.

That was how they ask the school to give them their money back since they won't graduate them

Henny52:
Why should you have a problem with people travelling to the UK? Why shouldit bother you? Some people have the funds to cover their tuition. UK international students make a lot of noise on social media. Do you think it's only in the UK they deport people? Even if they deport people it's still not the end of the world.

Now it will shock you know I was deported from the UK in 2012, got a 5years ban afterwards. I still worked In Nigeria in the oil and gas industry, moved to Canada and became a PR last year. In that same UK, my 3 sisters are British citizens and prospering like crazy. I am doing very well in Canada. I have also sent my cousins over and my sister inlaw will be going next.
Speak of the positives and enough of your Negative views. Honestly I speak the mind of alot of people saying to shut up. We've had enough. This group helped me in processing my cousins application to the UK. Let's stick to what the thread/forum is for.

You went to Canada, u went to Uganda, u went to UK, ur cousin are doing fine and sooo? How does someone who is a British citizen Corrolate with what is being discussed here?



Get this into your skull.. If u don't have full fees u are doing the impossible. Unless you have people to that will help you clear the fees

Last week I had the opportunity to talk to 3 new set that came this January 2024.. Sunderland University av already locked their portal and they are threatened to de list them while the other from another uni said home office has already contacted her n she paid only 3500 pounds from Nigeria . I was like why did u come when no dependant?


I am personally shouting : IF YOU DON'T HAVE YOUR FULL FEES PLS DON'T LISTEN TO ANY AGENT THAT WILL SWT TALK YOU INTO TAKING AN IMPOSSIBLE DECISION. IT IS NOT WORKING ANYMORE..



IF U DON'T HAVE THE COMPLETE FEES U HAVE YOUR SELF TO BLAME

NA UR TYPE DE LEAD PEOPLE TO THEIR GRAVE

https://www.nairaland.com/8121655/uk-university-offers-fund-flights#130428787

On how he has ensured that farmers are safe in thier farms?
On how he has ensured that he has provided enough farmers to increase farm produce?
Ensure that corruption has been dealt with?

Morizo:
Says an APC agbero typing from a motor park. In your whole body we can't find I talk more of Q. You want to bandy words like "economic engineering"? I'll put your illiterate ass in a class and school you better on economic engineering and most importantly, the REAL political economy of Nigeria.

Probably you may then have an idea of the roles the superstructure played and still playing....
that brought us to these Economic quagmires that currently plague us. That inevitably, selfish political decisions brought us to this 41% food inflation economy that is one of the highest globally.

You are such a daft to waste my time on but I'll allow you the above two seconds free class thriller.

Am actually studying MSC advanced micro and macro economics in the UK. alongside research.

Like I said u lack adequate knowledge to argue anything that has to do with economics.

For your information I am not an APC supporter or anything.

Buhari was a mistake who messed the economy, who printed a lot of naira and borrowed heavily.. This lead us where we are today.

Nothing good should be expected from tinubu likewise.


But in all this, it's common sense that increasing money supply will only lead to inflation and nothing more and I listed so many theory that proves me right.

If you like increase workers salaries to 1million without increasing productivity particularly in agricultural yield production you are wasting your time because large money supply will chase the few goods in supply.. Abi na money u go take cook soup?

If you want to get it sort out in the long run then ensure that
1) farmers are safe n goes to farm unhurt.
2) ensure that farmers are heavily supported via various schemes
3) ensure that roads are constructed to transport this goods to final consumer.
4) stop excessive borrowing to fund unproductive venture..
If all this are achieved then there will be a balance between supply and demand in the aggregate level

The next we will hear is Dabgote has shipped over 1m tones of hco2 a bye product of fuel to France and another to be shipped to China

Oyewale25:
With Nigeria situation rn, omo japa na the best option o but all me I'm saying is people should research on other EU countries that are relatively cheap compared to UK. I have friends who moved to Luxembourg and Iceland and all have heard from them is positive things.

I would still be struggling with school fee if not for the fact I was the last beneficiary of dependants.

I know what some of my guys who came alone are going through. The mental challenge, etc.

If not that Nigerians are built differently, some of them for don colo

Can you give some details about the school in this countries u listed.... Like school fees, etc

Pure the thing fuel

moshuur:
I think something is wrong with an average Nigerian.

Like I don't get it....

See as we explained to our people over and over again....they still don't get it.

Like .....is it too hard for them to comprehend the point we trying to make?


You tried to explain the reality to my people.....they'll start seeing u as a bad person.

I won't blame anyone. I felt this way before especially if anyone in abroad is advising against my wish of coming.

I always look for positive comments to remain strong.

But now I understand that what we actually wanted was just that plane flight experience or just to take pix n upload on Facebook as one who has been here and there but we aren't truly prepared for the real deal

Morizo:
Nairaland is a faceless forum where a clown like you can tell me an argument is beyond my mental capacity... Some of your teachers might be my participants in my class and a swine like you wants to lecture me on theories.

Who brought about the root causes of the hardship? Is it not same causal agents that are frolicking with same scarce resources of the country? The government wants reduce the purchasing power of Nigerians and Labour too wants to reduce the wasteful spending power of the government with high wage bills.

Labour knows their demands are unrealistic but is it reasonable? NO, given the conditions in the country and luxurious lifestyles of our leaders. Let it rain!

You lack sufficient IQ to understand how economic engineering works. Your type should be in motor park

drlucky17:
Don’t mind them , it is so annnoying , they take so much effort to discourage others and tell them some reality whereas they pin there , nothing is easy but every chance to leave the damned country led by the evil bigoted propagandists APC , take it with both hands . People are getting old with no headway in this country . The longer you stay the more difficult and expensive it will be to leave .
Ignore the naysayers and don't let them bring you down! It's frustrating when others try to discourage us with their negative views. But remember, every challenge is an opportunity to grow stronger. If you have the chance to pursue your dreams and goals in another country, seize it with both hands! Don't let fear or negativity hold you back. The longer you wait, the harder it may become. Don't let others define your reality. Keep pushing forward and stay positive!"

In whatever you do ensure u have sufficient funds to cover ur fees otherwise u risk losing all to start from square 1 in Nigeria.

RodgersAkpafu:
are people really "doing well" in Nigeria as you asserted?

I'm not so sure
N1 million a month with a wife and three kids is not doing well, if really you wanna give your kids a good education, live in a proper place, and live the nice middle class lifestyle Nigerians used to enjoy pre 2010.

just saying

To get to UK through education cost 45milion minimum if you don't have this full money then it's better you stay back.

If you want to do forged POF it willl cost you anywhere from 19 to 20m or even more. Then the question is how do u raise the remaining funds how will feed alongside house rent .. That's the discussion.


I don't think if u are earning 1m a month u are doing bad... Even 400,000 u aren't doing bad. Then your wife could support with business. Than continueing a journey and being thrown out at the end of the day. The pain of losing that funds I don't think if u wil recover from it

telleyway:
The bolded:
You claimed that that there's no money and that it will bring more inflation but failed to tell us why there's inflation in the first place. Let me tell you some basic things but you and the federal government are missing.
Fuel and exchange rate (dollar) are the strongest pillars of our economy. They influence other factors of production, demand, supply and profit margin. Everything every rise in price of commodities is tied to Dollar and fuel hence the high inflation. Take for instance the recent hike in electricity tariff was on the premise that the cost of production is higher than what it used to be.
Everything in the market has tripped it's price and still counting .
Now tell me why a supposed first class economist like Tinubu will expect that things will remain the same after touching the very life wires of our economy? Maybe you should help me remind him that exchange rate and fuel are hydra-headed components that once touched, there will be a multiple chain reactions.

Certainly, labor will not insist on 400k because it's not feasible, but will definitely not settle for anything below 100k and it's very justifiable.

Buhari printed so much money in his tenure and I don't know what reason he did that.
There was massive borrowing at the same time.
Infact Buhari killed Nigeria and those who voted massively for Buhari should be held responsible for that.

Like I said fuel import should be addressed. Dangote should be partnered with in that area to see that fuel issue is put to stop.

There are other things I mentioned but if they ignore all and increase minimum wage then we shall be here again in next 10 years maybe asking for 2 million minimum wage. Maybe by then a bag if rice will sell for 500,000 to 1m.

You can see the trend of money growth.. Check the years and correspond it with how prices rose in the market

Labour only know how to fight for money wage increase but will keep quite when farmers are killed in the farm, will keep quite when all federal roads are bad. Will keep quite when government makes wrong policies.

Love800:
So u.k students dont go for white-collar jobs?

They do but few go for this courses.
The government is planning to scrap courses they called low prospects course from the University to replace them with degree apprenticeship.

Government alongside councils are putting out funds, partner with trainers in skills, now u are paid to learn this skills once u are 18 years old. U receive 6 to 8 pounds per hour learning how to roof a house, how to do fabrication, how to do plumbing etc even universities have degree apprenticeship.. If u want to study accounting then u study and also practice in firms, Same goes to all courses

The way we think in Nigeria is different from their way. Here is about what you can do.

Deenillah:
Now tell me, out of all these aforementioned strategies, which one has the government applied so far?

Labour should negotiate this terms with the government and sign an agreement.. Follow the government toe to toe.
It will be a win win to all

manmade:
nice one from you 👍, now that we have realized that the people in government didn't care about anyone except their pockets so the burden of sacrificing to save the economy should be shifted to the downtrodden civil servants, right?

That's why we need to fight for a better Nigeria. We need to fight for right candidates to be there

manmade:
so according to your PhD
knowledge, it's only the civil servants that should be impoverised by accepting peanut as wages in the name of preventing inflation while other actors in the schemes of things like the executive, legislature's members should smile to bank with billions of naira monthly?

State officials receiveing bogus salaries.....
They are criminals who care about their pocket and they are responsible for where we find our self today..

ForValour:
@ fullclub Real wage that seems to be your magic phrase. Now think, should the workers wait till FG solve the problem of insecurity before they feed? (same problem Jonathan and Buhari could not solve for more than 12 years), should Nigeria workers wait for steady electricity, good roads etc before they take care of their children since they dont need nominal wage but real wage. The problem with people like you is that you embrace books and throw away your brains forgeting that your brain should come first. If you continue like this, a school cert. will lead and control you even with your PhD

Holding FG accountable, ensuring that reforms are carried out in the INEC, ensure that they go on strike because of killings and insecurity in North etc. Ensuring they mobilised their workers to elect sensible leaders. Going on strike when it was evident that elections were rigged.

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The problem we are facing today has nothing to do with Jonathan . It was created by Buhari