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OlaAjia: I assume the bible you read is written in English? I don't suppose when you're writing exams in school, you require spiritual understanding of your questions (written in the same English) before you can answer them correctly? If you do, then we're cearly on different planes.

OlaAjia: I didn't ask how you know your belief is the right one, I asked how you know that it is objectively the right one. These are two different questions requiring two different approaches. The latter requires objective evidence, not subjective ones, like ones from inside the Bible.

logicboy01: do you need Jobs story to be hopeful? There are numerous stories outside the bible that tell of people surviving cancer through sports. You, dont realise that the bible is not a perfect book.

thehomer: Each premise is backed up by strong scientific evidence.
Choosing to be ignorant isn't a virtue you know.

OlaAjia: I'm afraid that in all honesty, your summary is a false caricature of the contents of the bible. Yes, it teaches about love, but it also teaches about hate, chauvinism, slavery and oppression of women. The bible has wisdom, but it also has some contradictions best described as dubious and questionable. A more apt summary would be that the bible makes a messy paradox of itself.

That you call this crap betrays a certain knowledge of its content. You've read it then, I presume? If that is the case, then what it is saying in effect is that on what premise would you say your belief is the objective truth, and not that of the Muslim, Hindu, Jew, Zoroastrian, ETC?

thehomer: I hope you realize that for you to be human, you must be an ape. The only way for you to escape this is for you to claim that you're not human.

All humans are apes.
FXKing2012 is a human.
Therefore, FXKing2012 is an ape.

I know you're special - just like everyone else.
I know I don't have all the answers but you and your fellows are yet to actually ask these taxing questions so I'm yet to seek out any escape routes. Asking people to read in order for them to be able to ask relevant questions is not a bad thing you know.
Finally, I hope you learn that all opinions aren't equal but that some are more valid than others so your refusal to read even if it would grant you knowledge is a failing of yours in these modern times.

kilokeys: Spirituality in naija baffles me.. Everything is a prayer point.. Shld it be? I feel we r vain and materialistic down here.. how is d mode of prayer like in d western world? Is it laden with the D-I-Y things.? we bind d rain, pray against d sun. Report phcn to God. Fold our arms and fast about issues of terrorism. Who is with my school of thought?

diluminati: wow this is Almighty Crap. Bible teaches you love? I wonder if moses or joshua will say the same. You must be on some cheap shyt.

diluminati: no need to derail the thread logic.and ill advise you keep your cool, you are not in a fight and you are doing great because this is one subject that will make many christians start thinking.
Now no christian should tell me Yahweh/Jehovah/Jesus actually striked a deal with the arch enemy satan to take away lives and property to change someones way of thinking. If you have really lost someone, maybe in a gruesome manner then you will find it evil what transpired between God and Satan. Where is the looooooove there? Why didnt God just overpower satan there and then and put a stop to that evil idea but he choose to give in to satans wiles. Does God really feel the pain of you losing someone going by this story and considering the way he treated job. A better argument should be this job story is all made up.

OlaAjia: Try a little humility and honesty. Of what purpose would a one statement summary be to you when you have already classified this "a lorry-load of crap"?
Why don't you try summarising the Bible in one statement?

logicboy01: That is his job. Lawyers need big cases to market their firms.


As for the girl, justice is needed. You wouldnt like it if Oyedepo slapeed your mother.


Dont be an apologist for evil within christianity.


What is the difference between you and someone who covers up child molestation in the catholic church?

logicboy01: lolololololol.


The probaqblilty of hell existing is the same as the toothfairy existing.


Furthermore, you have almost as much chance of going to hell as me. What if it is Allah that ends up being real? Muslim hell for you! What if it Zeus? Hades for you! What if it is Odin? Norse hell for you? What if it is Jewish Yaweh? Jewish hell for you!

Zodiac61: I do not believe in evolution. I accept that evolution best explains my existence and yours.
I accept this because there is overwhelming evidence to support evolution.
On the other hand, there is absolutely no evidence to support the existence of god.
You ask me why I prefer evolution to god. The answer is self evident - evidence.

cyrexx: if you still cant see my point after reading all these, then you truly cannot see. go and see an optician for your mind's eyes.

logicboy01: Of course there is a probability; 0.00000000000000000000000000000001 * 10^-infinity

logicboy01: For trying to find justice for a young woman?


You are a disgusting human being. If this is christianity, then I would rather burn in hell than share heaven with you. azzhole

cyrexx: Let's imagine that I tell you the following story:
• There is a man who lives at the North Pole.
• He lives there with his wife and a bunch of elves.
• During the year, he and the elves build toys.
• Then, on Christmas Eve, he loads up a sack with all the toys.
• He puts the sack in his sleigh.
• He hitches up eight (or possibly nine) flying reindeer.
• He then flies from house to house, landing on the rooftops of each one.
• He gets out with his sack and climbs down the chimney.
• He leaves toys for the children of the household.
• He climbs back up the chimney, gets back in his sleigh, and flies to the next house.
• He does this all around the world in one night.
• Then he flies back to the North Pole to repeat the cycle next year.
This, of course, is the story of Santa Claus, also known as Father Christmas.


But let's say that I am an adult, and I am your friend, and I reveal to you that I believe that this story is true. I believe it with all my heart. And I try to talk about it with you and convert you to believe it as I do.
What would you think of me? You would think that I am delusional, and rightly so.

Why do you think that I am delusional? It is because you know that Santa is imaginary. The story is a total fairy tale. No matter how much I talk to you about Santa, you are not going to believe that Santa is real. Flying reindeer, for example, are make-believe. The dictionary defines delusion as, "A false belief strongly held in spite of invalidating evidence." That definition fits perfectly

Now let me show you another example...


Another example
Imagine that I tell you this story:
• A man was sitting in a cave minding his own business.
• A very bright flash of light appeared.
• A voice spoke out one word: "Read!" The man felt like he was being squeezed to death. This happened several times.
• Then the man asked, "What should I read?"
• The voice said, "Read in the name of your Lord who created humans from a clinging [zygote]. Read for your Lord is the most generous. He taught people by the pen what they didn't know before."
• The man ran home to his wife.
• While running home, he saw the huge face of an angel in the sky. The angel told the man that he was to be the messenger of God. The angel also identified himself as Gabriel.
• At home that night, the angel appeared to the man in his dreams.
• Gabriel appeared to the man over and over again. Sometimes it was in dreams, sometimes during the day as "revelations in his heart," sometimes preceded by a painful ringing in his ears (and then the verses would flow from Gabriel right out of the man), and sometimes Gabriel would appear in the flesh and speak. Scribes wrote down everything the man said.
• Then, one night about 11 years after the first encounter with Gabriel, Gabriel appeared to the man with a magical horse. The man got on the horse, and the horse took him to Jerusalem. Then the winged horse took the man up to the seven layers of heaven. The man was able to actually see heaven and meet and talk with people there. Then Gabriel brought the man back to earth.
• The man proved that he had actually been to Jerusalem on the winged horse by accurately answering questions about buildings and landmarks there.
• The man continued receiving the revelations from Gabriel for 23 years, and then they stopped. All of the revelations were recorded by the scribes in a book which we still have today.



What do you make of this story? If you have never heard the story before, you may find it to be nonsensical. The dreams, the horse, the angel, the ascension, and the appearances of the angel in the flesh -- you would dismiss them all because it is all imaginary.

But you need to be careful. This story is the foundation of the Muslim religion, practiced by more than a billion people around the world. The man is named Mohammed, and the book is the Koran (also spelled Qur'an or Qur'aan). This is the sacred story of the Koran's creation and the revelation of Allah to mankind.

Despite the fact that a billion Muslims profess some level of belief in this story, people outside the Muslim faith consider the story to be imaginary. No one believes this story because this story is a fairy tale. They consider the Koran to be a book written by a man and nothing more. A winged horse that flew to heaven? That is imaginary -- as imaginary as flying reindeer.

If you are a Christian, please take a moment right now to look back at the Muslim stories. Why is it so easy for you to look at these stories and see that they are imaginary fairy tales? How do you know, with complete certainty, that Muslims are delusional? You know these things for the same reason you know that Santa is imaginary. There is no evidence for any of it. The stories involve magical things like angels and winged horses, hallucinations, dreams. Horses cannot fly -- we all know that. And even if they could, where would the horse fly to? The vacuum of space? Or is the horse somehow "dematerialized" and then "rematerialized" in heaven? If so, those processes are made up too. Every bit of it is imaginary. We all know that.


An unbiased observer can see how imaginary these three stories are. In addition, [size=13pt]Muslims can see that Christians are delusional, and Christians can see that Muslims are delusional. While atheists can see that both of them are delusional[/size]



One final example
Now let me tell you one final story:
• God inseminated a virgin named Mary, in order to bring his son incarnate into our world.
• Mary and her fiancé, Joseph, had to travel to Bethlehem to register for the census. There Mary gave birth to the Son of God.
• God put a star in the sky to guide people to the baby.
• In a dream God told Joseph to take his family to Egypt. Then God stood by and watched as Herod killed thousands and thousands of babies in Israel in an attempt to kill Jesus.
• As a man, God's son claimed that he was God incarnate: "I am the way, the truth and the life," he said.
• This man performed many miracles. He healed lots of sick people. He turned water into wine. These miracles prove that he is God.
• But he was eventually given the death sentence and killed by crucifixion.
• His body was placed in a tomb.
• But three days later, the tomb was empty.
• And the man, alive once again but still with his wounds (so anyone who doubted could see them and touch them), appeared to many people in many places.
• Then he ascended into heaven and now sits at the right hand of God the father almighty, never to be seen again.
• Today you can have a personal relationship with the Lord Jesus. You can pray to this man and he will answer your prayers. He will cure your diseases, rescue you from emergencies, help you make important business and family decisions, comfort you in times of worry and grief, etc.
• This man will also give you eternal life, and if you are good he has a place for you in heaven after you die.
• The reason we know all this is because, after the man died, four people named Matthew, Mark, Luke and John wrote accounts of the man's life. Their written attestations are proof of the veracity of this story.



This, of course, is the story of Jesus. Do you believe this story? If you are a Christian, you probably do. I could ask you questions for hours and you will have answers for every one of them. You cannot understand how anyone could question any of it, because it is so obvious to you.


Here is the thing that I would like to help you understand: The four billion people who are not Christians look at the Christian story in exactly the same way that you look at the Santa story and the Muslim story. In other words, there are four billion people who stand outside of the Christian bubble, and they can see reality clearly. The fact is that the Christian story is completely imaginary.



How do the four billion non-Christians know, with complete certainty, that the Christian story is imaginary? Because the Christian story is just like the Santa story and the Muslim story. There is the magical insemination, the magical star, the magical dreams, the magical miracles, the magical resurrection, the magical ascension and so on.


People outside the Christian faith look at the Christian story and note these facts:
1. The miracles are supposed to "prove" that Jesus is God, but, predictably, these miracles left behind no tangible evidence for us to examine and scientifically verify today. They all involved faith healings and magic tricks

2. Jesus is resurrected, but, predictably, he does not appear to anyone today.

3. Jesus ascended into heaven and answers our prayers, but, predictably, when we pray to him nothing happens. We can statistically analyse prayer and find that prayers are never answered


4. The book where Matthew, Mark, Luke and John make their attestations does exist, but, predictably, it is full of contradictions

5. And so on.


In other words, the Christian story is a fairly tale, just like the other two examples we have examined.


Now, look at what is happening inside your mind at this moment. I am using solid, verifiable evidence to show you that the Christian story is imaginary. Your rational mind can see the evidence. Four billion non-Christians would be happy to confirm for you that the Christian story is imaginary. However, if you are a practicing Christian, you can probably feel your "religious mind" overriding both your rational mind and your common sense as we speak.


Why? Why were you able to use your common sense to so easily reject the Santa story and the Muslim story, but when it comes to the Christian story, which is just as imaginary, you are not?


Try, just for a moment, to look at Christianity with the same amount of healthy skepticism that you used when approaching the stories of Santa and Mohammed. Use your common sense to ask some very simple questions of yourself:


No one (besides little kids) believes in Santa Claus. No one outside the Muslim faith believes the story of Mohammed and Gabriel and the winged horse. No one outside the Christian faith believes in Jesus' divinity, miracles, resurrection, etc.

Therefore, the question I would ask you to consider right now is simple: Why is it that human beings can detect fairy tales with complete certainty when those fairy tales come from other faiths, but they cannot detect the fairy tales that underpin their own faith? Why do they believe their chosen fairy tale with unrelenting passion and reject the others as nonsense?


For example:
• Christians know that when the Egyptians built gigantic pyramids and mummified the bodies of their pharaohs, that it was a total waste of time -- otherwise Christians would build pyramids.
• Christians know that when the Aztecs carved the heart out of a virgin and ate it, that it accomplished nothing -- otherwise Christians would kill virgins.
• Christians know that when Muslims face Mecca to pray, that it is pointless -- otherwise Christians would face Mecca when they pray.


Yet, when Christians look at their own religion, they are for some reason blind. Why? And no, it has nothing to do with the fact that the Christian story is true. Your rational mind knows that with certainty, and so do four billion others.

logicboy01: Wrong, I do not believe in hell. Just saying tht you would be there before me if it existed

don buchi: The High Court in Ogun State sitting in Ota, Wednesday, fixed July 12 for judgment in the suit involving the founder of the Living Faith Church Worldwide and the young lady who was slapped during a church service in 2009.

Robert Igbinedion, a Lagos based lawyer who filed the suit on behalf of the young lady, is seeking the court to award N2billion as ‘general and exemplary damages’ against the flamboyant pastor among other reliefs.


http://entertainmentng.com/2012/06/bishop-oyedepos-n2-billion-assault-lawsuit-court-fixes-july-12-for-judgment.html

logicboy01: You would be in hell for defending murder.


How do you even know that ou're serving the right God. Musims also talk about hell

thehomer: Ooh you're an agent of God and clearly bright yet you ask questions that have been resolved but due to your deep willful ignorance, you refuse to actually look around for the answers.
To tell you again, humans are apes. Your other questions are based on such a poor understanding of the theory of evolution that all one can do is to advice you to read an article on the theory in a trusted encyclopaedia first before you try to ask these questions.

Martian: His environment didn't demand it. The environment provided enough shade and if did't, then it's safe to say they he would have invented an AC. The steam engine wasn't needed for the amount of trade he had going, if it was, then he would have built one too.
But what he needed was a monetary system for trade, and he had one. Did "hunter gatherers" have monetary systems?
So maybe your ancestors weren't "cave dwellers" before your religion brought slavery and economic disparity "civilization and progress"

logicboy01: lol,,,,many atheists have read the bible
Tbere js no evidence for your god

dorox: Was Eddie Long not sued? This neandethal of a pig you revere as mog won't be the last.

Martian: Yes. While denigrating your own history and culture in order to glorify your imported god and religion, you ignore the fact that African societies were not the "cave dwellers" you make them out to be.

Martian: It's cool to love your god and religion, but do you have to do it at the expense of your self esteem, pride and history?

Martian: To simplify things a bit, an European could have invented a portable heater because he had to warm himself somewhere in Scandanavia, but an African living in Onitsha probably didn't have that need. So who is more likely to spend his time trying to invent a heater? The African or the European? This is one of the reasons why western civilization was ahead of ours at that time.

logicboy01: lololololololololololololololololol


Epic fail, there is no animal faster than the cheetahs on land. Fail

Even in human beings, we are bigger than humans in medieval times. Humans are evolving

logicboy01: Keep lying and justifying the murder of innocent family. Please, show me the bible quote, liar.


You are here defending a God that ould allow Satan to murder people just to prove faith. If what happened to Job is justifiable, then may it happen to you.

dekung: FX is only regurgitating what his pastors told him. I was a christian for many years as well and these pastor, doing everything possible to put the blame of the destruction which befell Job (the victim) on himself, go arround quoting the part where Job said 'that which i fear most most came upon me'. What they fail to point out or realise is that whether Job was fearful or not, his fate was sealed in the battle of wits between God and Satan. In the discussion between the two waring parties there was nowhere it was stated that God allowed the misfortune because Job was fearful, nowhere! It all came from the modern day christian who will do everything to shift blame. Talk about cognitive dissonance. And like I said earlier the event never happened, the book of Job is the oldest book in the bible and it does not have a jewish origin, meaning Job had no connection with the Jewish race. The story was stolen from some eastern literature. It is actually a poetic literature.......... but most christians, who have no clue as to the origin of the book, would go arround announcing and believing the story is an actual historical event.

dorox: Becuase of hypocrites like you and your silly MOG who persists in misrepresenting God.