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achorladey:


Like the neighborly Samaritan in Jesus’ illustration, we want to help suffering people, including those who are not Witnesses. (Luke 10:33-37) The best way to do so is by sharing the good news with them. “It is important to make clear right away that we are Jehovah’s Witnesses and that our primary mission is to help them spiritually, not materially,” notes an elder who has helped many refugees. “Otherwise, some may associate with us only for personal advantage.”


Fxmasterz you never see anything

Lying Aemmyjah who rejoices in calling his father stupid, Achorladey has further brought proof directly from your publications. Chatgpt already said you don't help the poor. You only help during disasters. Now your organization says spiritual help is your sole responsibility and not material help.

That's another proof for me to stand on. Go tell your father that you met someone on Nairaland, and you described him well to the person.

Aemmyjah:
When I say you're stupid, you take offense
Why not ask Chatgpt about Jehovah's Witnesses charitable and relief works

That's when your stupidity will relieve you temporarily

O boy. Your dad fits the description well. Since chatgpt is the mouthpiece of JW.

Aemmyjah:
Don't mind FXMASTERZ
He's cloaked in stupidity
I just try to deliberately ignore his challenges and when he mentions me to defend nonsense

He has no sense. I'm not sure he's up to 18 years.

You have rightly described your father. Kudos to you.

Aemmyjah:
Open your mouth for Courz to poo inside

If you brought proofs like this for all the allegations so far, you would have seen me taking sides with you.

I'm sure chatgpt has brought up facts based on research. Your cult tried in that aspect of disaster relief. I must commend that. But just as chatgpt said, there's no direct assistance rendered to the poor. The cult should rise up to that responsibility too. Courz's point was based on your activities towards the poor actually. Not disaster relief.
.but for that simple request for proof, you came full force with walahi and all forms of vulgarity. Are you normal at all?

Aemmyjah:
Lol
I don't and have never said such to my dad or anyone dad

You ask me a question giving me an option to choose between me and you is stupid and I chose you which is actually true. E de pain you? Or u were exposed me to mention myself

I can't tell my dad he's stupid
Thanks for the suggestion
What works for you regarding ur parents does not necessarily work for me as u have suggested 😉

Of course your dad deserves to be called such for birthing a child like you who wants someone to reject paper evidence in favor of contradictory team explanations.

Courz:
Absolutely nothing. They don't give to the homeless outside. They never give to the poor even amongst JWs. They never open schools or hospitals or any establishment to benefit JWs. All they do is make money, collect money from JWs and send them to their Headquarters, showing that it is not a Religion. It is a Business. Watchtower Bible and Tract Society is registered as a Charity to escape taxes but operates like a Business.

Na wá o.

Aemmyjah, Cornelboy, Janosky, Michael547, Maxindhouse come and defend this one too.

You see that always give you opportunities to defend your organization before I believe the allegations against you. My own position is based on truth backed with evidence. Not mere shouting here and there without any evidence. You see that I didn't support the tobacco investment allegations until a paper was uploaded to support the claim.

Now, defend this allegation too. Your cult never does any charity work. There are no poor people among you? No poor people in your neighborhoods? Please prove Courz wrong!

Janosky:
Restitution WAILER deceiving himself.

We can actually give you a full and sound doctrine on restitution based on solid biblical foundations. Not the lies that your cult has packed into your head.

Courz:
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Mad Islamist MaxinDhouse na Mumu. Ask him if The same Watchtower has ever given to the Poor with all the billions they accumulate from all these investments from Satanic sources.

So, watchtower never gives to the poor?

Maxindhouse, give us proof of the charity work being done by your organization.

Janosky:
Why are you WAILING & TWISTING Jesus statements in the gospel account of Matthew 19:21, parable of the merchant and Luke 16:9?

Did Jesus teach you that those individuals had STOLEN money from anyone that they have to give back what they stole?

You don't even understand the meaning of RESTITUTION.


Oga, go and learn, relearn until you understand.

Mr wailing wailer, go and sit down if you don't understand the Genesis of a discussion. stop shooting mouth into discussions anyhow. You disgrace yourself by always talking off point.

achorladey:
Bible verse that he will twist inside one minute

I don't expect him not to twist it. I'm just patiently waiting for his next twist.

achorladey:
Oteneaaron we go outlaw you from nairaland while will you be tutoring a member of the better performing performance group on organisation book?

Lol.

achorladey:
Person wey don hook.

Lol.

Janosky:
@ Acts 8:20,The donor wanted something in return (miraculous powers) for the monetary gift to the apostles.

Did Henrietta Riley Trust make ANY requests from JW's prior to making donations ?

No nau !!!!

That's not the point okay?

Maxindhouse already understood the question I was asking him which was based on one of his false assertions that Jesus never rejected any donation.

achorladey:
Fxmasterz nwokem bi kiaful.


Those treasures becomes so pe otilo

He couldn't answer the question. Rather he was saying it was Jesus who said it when Jesus never said so.

achorladey:
See bible verse explanation. I thought one religious organization said Bible is an organization book

They're very insincere people. See how he was dragging the matter from excuse to another. For every scripture verse that debunks his claims, he has another unrelated verse to drag another part of the discussion. I hate dishonest and dubious individuals.

MaxInDHouse:
The money wasn't given to the GROUP so he has the right to accept or reject just as you said you will do as an individual but if it's meant for a group of people ọmọ that's beyond you!

It was shares that was donated to your organization. Isn't it?

I have asked you what your reactions would be if the same thing had been donated to Winners or RCCG or any other church. Let me tell you the truth, if Winners or RCCG should be beneficiaries of this kind of shares, I would condemn it outright. I wouldn't be a hypocrite like you.

MaxInDHouse:
Matthew 13:45-46

Matthew 19:21

Luke 16:9

You can go and show all your friends let them meditate thoroughly then come back to explain what Jesus meant in those verses!

Your organization is well known for such manipulations. I'm not surprised.

Jesus was talking about restitution. Restitution isn't the same as salvation. It just an action done to right a wrong. In Mathew 19:21 which you quoted, Jesus clearly said sell what you have, distribute to the poor (not to JW or to an organization), THEN COME FOLLOW ME. That means the restitution itself is not a guarantee for salvation until you follow Jesus to the end.

Keep deceiving yourself. At the end of the days, you would be very sorry for yourself. Keep manipulating scriptures to support heresies!

MaxInDHouse:
I have answered you that the question is not for me but for Jesus who said people can NEGOTIATE their SALVATION nah!

Jesus never said that please.

MaxInDHouse:
Let's take things one after another remember NO ADDITION NO SUBTRACTION {Revelations 22:18-19} so if you can't find where the group rejected gifts during Jesus' time it simply means the gifts weren't meant to get something in return it's the laws they received from their God that they were following.
They must be kind to strangers that's why any Israelite who treated Jesus' disciples with contempt is on the danger list {Matthew 10:11-15} because such a person is not kind to strangers just as their forefather Abraham did!{Genesis 18:2-3} Jesus knew that real Israelites must provide for strangers visiting them {Matthew 10:9-10} but when it's time for team to cross the boarders of Israel Jesus ordered them to provide for themselves! Luke 22:35-36


So the gifts weren't given in exchange for any favour that's why they can't reject what their God commanded their own people.

But as for the other man he wasn't giving the group rather he wanted to bribe the two men perhaps they can reveale the secret behind that power to him!

Please where did Peter learn to reject some monies? Who taught him?

I stand by your words that the shares were donated in exchange for salvation. And that Christ and the disciples never rejected any monies.

Who taught Peter how to reject money the way he did in Acts 8?

MaxInDHouse:
You always mix many things together!

They didn't sell it to the group rather they sold it to those who will give the proceeds to the group.

And as for those NEGOTIATING for their SALVATION it's Jesus that you should ask not me after all you saw what he said that people could actually NEGOTIATE their SALVATION!

I have asked quoted a scripture that explained what Christ said. You rejected it. Christ already answered the question through the Holy Spirit in the verse.

2 John 1:8

"Watch out that you do not lose what we have worked so hard to achieve. Be diligent so that you receive your full reward."

Philliipians 2:12

"Therefore, my dear friends, as you have always obeyed—not only in my presence, but now much more in my absence—continue to work out your salvation with fear and trembling"

Now, if salvation is the same as treasures in heaven according to you (Jesus never said in that verse that treasures in heaven = salvation), will the individuals who donated the unrighteous shares remain saved even if they become apostates tomorrow in spite of their treasures in heaven?

MaxInDHouse:
Was the gift available before Pentecost?

So those giving them material things were buying gifts from them shey?

The question is where did Peter learn how to reject money from? Who taught him?

MaxInDHouse:
You just love arguing blindly!

Jesus said people can have treasures in heaven but you think such ones are not saved.

Must you continue deceiving yourself?

We've quoted the scriptures that further explains what Jesus said. You deliberately cut out that part because you want to reject it.

Let me ask you this question. The person who sold shares to your cult now has treasures in heaven according to you, isn't it? According to you, he is now saved, isn't it? What happens if he becomes an apostate tomorrow even in spite of his treasures in heaven? Does he remain saved because of his treasures in Heaven?

MaxInDHouse:
Why are you this dubious nah?

Jesus never collected a dime from anyone it's the group that's given the material things just as God's organization is collecting gifts today as a group.
So it's not what any individual can determine whether it should be received or not meanwhile you can't find a single verse in the Bible where the group rejected any gift.
Perhaps there was no unrighteous riches back then in Israel! Luke 16:9

Can't you see how dubious you are already?

The group was collecting funds without Jesus' knowledge? Please answer me!

If the group never rejected any funds, whee did Peter learn how to reject some donations as he did in Acts 8:20:

"Peter answered: “May your money perish with you, because you thought you could buy the gift of God with money!

MaxInDHouse:
But i thought you claim to believe what is found written in the Bible nah!

Well here's what Jesus himself said about negotiations for SALVATION.

"If you want to be perfect, go sell your belongings and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come be my follower.” Matthew 19:21

You're free to ignore what Jesus himself said o!

Treasures in heaven is not the same as salvation of the soul. Okay? You can have treasures in heaven and lose them if you're not saved.

2 John 1:18

"Watch out that you do not lose what we have worked so hard to achieve. Be diligent so that you receive your full reward."

Philippians 2:12
"Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling."

MaxInDHouse:
Who is the one collecting the money nah?

But Judas Is·carʹi·ot, one of his disciples, who was about to betray him, said: “Why was this perfumed oil not sold for 300 de·narʹi·i and given to the poor?”  He said this, though, not because he was concerned about the poor, but because he was a thief and had the money box and used to steal the money put in it. John 12:4-6

Do you now agree that Jesus never collected a dime from anyone?
Whatever gifts the group receive was kept in the money box in Judah Iscariot's hand Jesus doesn't even have a single wallet with him.
So anything given belongs to the group!

I shake my head for you.

You first thought Jesus never collected any money at all. By your thinking, that's why Jesus didn't collect from Zachaeus. Now that I showed you that Jesus actually collected funds, you turned it to say Judas Iscariot was the collector. But even in that scripture you quoted, you'll see that Judas was actually seeking Jesus' approval for the oil to be converted to money and distributed to the poor.

That shows you that no money entered that purse without Jesus' approval. He was a great administrator and wouldn't leave His financial decisions to a thief who would collect unrighteous monies at His back.

Man, would you actually be quoting all these scriptures if it was RCCG, Foursquare, Winners or Assemblies of God that collected such a bloody donation of shares? Can't you see your hypocrisy already?

Aemmyjah:
Oga
You're the stupid one
Stupid as usual

Small time , curse will tell you with 'proof' say we invest on juju rituals

When you get home you should say the bolded to your dad.

MaxInDHouse:
The funniest part here is that oteneaaron publicly declared that there is no God or Jesus but you have no problem with that it's donation that you can't quote any verse in the Bible against that you're crying over.

Ọmọ nah wah o!

Is that the reason why someone must donate his shares to negotiate his salvation?

oteneaaron:
Lol.

I wanna bribe your god to negotiate my salvation.

How much would that cost?

Lol.

MaxInDHouse:
Can you remind me a verse where Jesus took a dime from any human?

Luke 8:1-3
"After this, Jesus traveled from one city and village to another. He spread the Good News about God’s kingdom. The twelve apostles were with him. 2 Also, some women were with him. They had been cured from evil spirits and various illnesses. These women were Mary, also called Magdalene, from whom seven demons had gone out; 3 Joanna, whose husband Chusa was Herod’s administrator; Susanna; and many other women. They provided financial support for Jesus and his disciples."

oteneaaron:
Are you guys still on this matter.

MaxInDHouse clearly admitted that it doesn't matter where the money comes from.

He also mentioned that the money they make from the sale of weapons of war and tabbaco cigarettes are actually bribes to their god as a negotiation for salvation.

Those were his exact words.

Hmmm!

Using blood money to negotiate his salvation!

Aemmyjah, Cornelboy, Michael547, Janosky

Are you in agreement with what your brother Maxindhouse said in this screenshot?

He said the person who donated the armament shares to your cult was using the money to negotiate his salvation.

MaxInDHouse:
Someone felt remorseful that his wealth is not RIGHTEOUS so he decided to give it away so that God's organization can utilize it properly and you said you will reject such as if the organization belongs to one individual like you who will say YES or NO.

Ọmọ we are talking about an organization of millions around the world so it's not what an individual like you will decide how the owner should dispose his UNRIGHTEOUS RICHES.

So no matter what you call it that's your own PERSONAL OPINION the spirit of God that touched the heart of the giver is a million times wiser than you!

And the unrighteous wealth was fitting for your unrighteous organization. I agree.

Zachaeus gave away his unrighteous wealth too (Luke 19:8 ). No, he didn't give it to Jesus, Jesus would have rejected it. He distributed part to the poor and returned the ones he unlawfully collected in folds. Can you imagine Jesus taking such shares?

Don't bother to respond. I'm sure you would never even see any lesson in the Zachaeus episode. You'll go on justifying the action because your soul is sold out to an organization and not to God. So, God's word doesn't matter. Meanwhile, if the shares were donated to Winners Chapel, then you'll likely quote this Zachaeus story to condemn it. Shame on you!

Aemmyjah:
If you like, say we have people we put in political positions and they give us returns, it's for your stupidity and you'll expect me tk be defending or attacking lies shey?

Every accusation I have supported here are evidenced with paper-proofs. Your own counter arguments have been your words alone. You can't even provide any evidence against the proofs. Between you and I, who's stupid?