MaxInDHouse: I have the one and only organization that's practicing what Jesus taught so if you want me to examine whatever you want to say the first thing you have to do is present a better performing group than JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES!
Once you do that you and i can reason together but in the absence of that ọmọ take good care of yourself!
Was it Jesus who taught your organization the rules and lingos in the attached screenshot?
MaxInDHouse: Ọmọ you and i don't belong to the same line of thought so stop mentioning me as if i owe you something, enjoy your friends with whom you share so much in common and take good care of yourself!
It is that your very line of thought that I actually want you to look deeply into. The questions I asked should force you to reexamine your line of thought.
Israelhamas: You can also shove your confused religious stand into the mouth of wherever it fits into.
Perhaps, when you are no longer confused about the faith and god you follow, you would start sounding less of a confused person to those reading your posts.
You've tried my brother but be rest assured that jesusjnr would not listen to you. He's proud and arrogant and may even attack your person for refuting him. I've had experiences with him on some of his threads. He needs deliverance. The fruits of the Spirit are not made manifest in him. He might even be possessed like kobojunkie.
oteneaaron: I completely agree with you that they are all religious cults.
They fit into the BITE model of identifying Cults and High Control Organizations.
The BITE model, developed by cult expert Steven Hassan, is a tool used to assess whether a group exhibits characteristics of a cult or a high-control organization.
It stands for Behavior control, Information control, Thought control, and Emotional control.
Let's analyze how Jehovah's Witnesses, Mormons (The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints), and Scientologists fit into this model:
BEHAVIOR CONTROL:
1. Jehovah's Witnesses: They heavily regulate members' behavior through strict codes of conduct, including rules about dress, entertainment, association with non-members, and participation in holidays and celebrations. Deviation from these rules can result in social ostracism and disciplinary action.
2. Mormons: The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints also imposes behavioral regulations on its members, including dietary restrictions (such as abstaining from alcohol, tobacco, and caffeine), guidelines for dress and appearance, and expectations for church attendance and participation in rituals like temple ordinances.
3. Scientologists: Scientologists exercise control over members' behavior through policies and practices such as the use of ethics committees, enforced disconnection from dissenters or critics, and intense pressure to participate in costly courses and auditing sessions.
INFORMATION CONTROL:
1. Jehovah's Witnesses: Information control is evident in the strict regulation of literature and materials provided by the Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society. They discourage members from accessing outside sources of information, particularly those critical of the organization, and promote reliance on their own publications.
2. Mormons: The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints controls information by providing official manuals, teachings, and approved sources of doctrine. They discourage members from reading material critical of the church and may restrict access to certain historical documents or teachings.
3. Scientologists: Scientology tightly controls information by restricting access to certain teachings and materials, particularly those related to advanced levels of auditing and spiritual progression. They discourage members from reading critical media or websites and may use legal threats to suppress dissenting information.
THOUGHT CONTROL:
1. Jehovah's Witnesses: Thought control is evident in the strict adherence to doctrinal beliefs and the suppression of dissenting viewpoints. They discourage independent critical thinking and promote reliance on authority figures and the organization's interpretations of scripture.
2. Mormons: The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints exercises thought control through its emphasis on obedience to church leaders, adherence to doctrinal teachings, and discouragement of questioning or doubting official doctrine. They promote conformity to group norms and discourage independent thought.
3. Scientologists: Thought control is evident in Scientology's emphasis on the elimination of "counter-intentions" and the suppression of critical thoughts or doubts about the organization or its teachings. They use auditing and other techniques to identify and eradicate dissenting thoughts or beliefs.
EMOTIONAL CONTROL:
1. Jehovah's Witnesses: Emotional control is exercised through the use of fear, guilt, and shame to manipulate behavior and enforce compliance with organizational rules and teachings. Members are often made to feel guilty for questioning or doubting the organization's teachings.
2. Mormons: Emotional control is evident in the emphasis on loyalty to church leaders and the promotion of feelings of guilt or shame for deviating from church teachings or expectations. The promise of eternal salvation or exaltation is used to motivate adherence to church standards.
3. Scientologists: Emotional control is exercised through the use of intense pressure, coercion, and fear tactics to compel compliance with Scientology's teachings and practices. Members may be made to feel responsible for their own shortcomings or failures and pressured to spend significant time and resources on Scientology courses and auditing.
That video you shared yesterday led me to do some research oo.
I honestly thought it was only the JWs who were banned in Russia.
That is when I asked myself, why would Putin ban these 3 religions?
What are their similarities?
That was what led to this thread.
Thank you for sharing that video yesterday.
Honestly, when I was younger and used to read JW texts and that of the 7th Day Adventists, I usually wonder why they're called cults by other Christians. It wasn't hard for me to understand why the Mormons are a cult but I couldn't break the JW shell until I got to Nairaland. They keep a lot of secrets away from the general public.. There are some of their doctrines you would never know about until you join them.
Courz: Don’t bother calling these people. They will just come here to reduce our Brain cells with their responses. We have addressed their Cult similarities with other Cults some time ago and they were just blabbing rubbish. You aren’t going to get anything beneficial from their responses.
Very true.
But at least, they'll feed and become more knowledgeable, and also know that we did our best to help them recover themselves. They won't realize it now but some day, either here or there, they'll be able to see how much we loved them.
oteneaaron: #9 Changes in Doctrine and Publications
The concept of "new light" or "new information" often leads to changes in doctrine and publications among Jehovah's Witnesses, Mormons, and Scientologists.
1. Jehovah's Witnesses have made significant doctrinal adjustments throughout their history, including changes to their understanding of Bible prophecy, the interpretation of certain scriptures, and organizational policies. These changes are reflected in updated editions of their publications, such as The Watchtower and Awake! magazines, which disseminate new teachings and interpretations to the worldwide community of Jehovah's Witnesses.
2. Mormons have experienced doctrinal shifts on various issues, including the practice of polygamy, the role of women in the church, and the interpretation of certain scriptures. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints regularly publishes official statements, manuals, and curriculum materials that reflect these evolving teachings and interpretations.
3. Scientologists have seen updates and revisions to their instructional materials and practices over time. The Church of Scientology periodically releases new editions of Hubbard's books and lectures, as well as supplementary materials that reflect advancements in technology and changes in organizational policies.
Implications for Religious Identity
The concept of "new light" or "new information" has significant implications for the religious identity of Jehovah's Witnesses, Mormons, and Scientologists.
1. For Jehovah's Witnesses, the acceptance of "new light" reinforces a sense of loyalty and obedience to the Governing Body and the organization's teachings. Changes in doctrine and publications are seen as evidence of divine guidance and spiritual refinement within the faith community.
2. Mormons view the concept of ongoing revelation as a testament to the living nature of their faith and the continued guidance of God. Embracing "new information" fosters a sense of trust and reliance on church leaders and reinforces the belief in the Church's divine authority.
3. Scientologists interpret updates to their teachings and practices as evidence of the practical applicability and relevance of Hubbard's works. Accepting "new information" reaffirms their commitment to Scientology's principles and the belief in the effectiveness of its methods.
CC: Archoladey, Courz, Emusan, FxMasterZ
They're all cults.
What is the fate of those who died being loyal to old lights in their ignorance? What is the guarantee that their loyal followers today are not at risk of being loyal to some lights that would become old lights after they're long departed? Is this not the same as the confession made by one of the JW leaders in the court case below? They have fed their followers with untruth on the pain of spiritual death only to discover seeming truths later after many have departed holding on to falsehoods. Is there any guarantee for those deceived souls in the great beyond? Is it not too dangerous for the soul to be attached to an organization that lacks sound doctrines? Doctrines don't change again and again whenever they're sound.
Are we not commanded to teach only things that are of sound doctrines? Are we not commanded to prove all things (including the doctrines we teach to men) and hold on to that which is good? 1 Thessalonians 5:21.
"But speak thou the things which become sound doctrine: " Titus 2:1
Maxindhouse, Michael547, Janosky Cornelboy Janosky, would you please answer these questions?
Courz: FxMasterz, achorladey, Oteneaaron and Emusan, please watch this video below. This is an interview of a woman who is a Survivor of Satanic Ritual Abuse when she was a JW. She gave some very interesting information about the involvement of Watchtower in Politics as She has ties to some people in the U.S government. She gave some very important information that we haven't Heard about. It all starts from Charles Taze Russell. Very interesting interview you must not miss.
There is no way Watchtower can have all these many investments in the Big Businesses of the world without being involved in Politics and in some Fraternities. This woman has done business to this completely.
You can also bear me witness that the bolded is the truth. They themselves cannot deny it. At least from my own personal experience, they've been the aggressors towards me.
achorladey: By these letters the king allowed the Jews who were in every city to assemble and defend their lives, to destroy, to kill, and to annihilate any armed force of any people or province that might attack them, with their children and women, and to plunder their goods on a single day throughout all the provinces of King Ahasuerus, on the thirteenth day of the twelfth month, which is the month of Adar. A copy of the writ was to be issued as a decree in every province and published to all people's, and the Jews were to be ready on that day to take revenge on their enemies. So the couriers, mounted on their swift royal seeds, hurried out, urged by the king’s command. The decree was issued in the citadel of Susan. So the Jews struck down all their enemies with the sword, slaughtering, and destroying them, and did as they pleased to those who hated them
Now the other Jews who were in the king’s provinces also gathered to defend their lives, and gained relief from their enemies, and killed seventy-fi ve thousand of those who hated them; but they laid no hands on the plunder.
@ FxMasterz this what was I talking about self defense the other day. As at the time this decree was made Israelites already had the upper hand. Haman who was the chief enemy and instigator wanting to terminate the Jews was dead already and Mordecai the second in command. Why didn't Esther and Mordecai just write to the Israelites we love of neighbours and enemies even though they which us bad we won't exterminate them like they had the intention of doing to us. Even if they attack us we will run away from them and not fight back
My brother, don't mind the hypocrites. They say one thing with their mouths but act in the opposite direction.
Do we need any further investigation of Maxindhouse, Aemmyjah or Janosky regarding these things? These are representatives of the cult called JW who say national defence is unscriptural. Meanwhile, even in simple conversations, they've been found in most cases to be the aggressors. Can you evidently prove to me that people who refer to others as asínwín, werey, wailing wailer, stupid, dunce, etc and even transliterate Courz to Curse would not be the first to draw out their daggers if they feel threatened? Take for example how Aemmyjah was insulting me without provocation. When I later insulted him, did he not hurl even more insults? Can you say that such a fellow would not look for a bomb if you approach him with a knife? Even their characters here already show that they're just full of man-made doctrines without any commitment to obey. Their devotions and self piety are fake. This very thread exposes them.
jaephoenix: Lol. We all know who a Christian is. Everyone claims to be one, including you. But we don't see anything that depicts the christianity. I don't know you or how you behave. So I can't say whether u r a Christian or not. In the same vein, u don't know many other folks that has had mishaps befallen on them, whether they are christians or not, but u r very sure they aren't christians. Isn't that hypocrisy?
We're talking about the definition of Christianity here. A Christian is not someone who goes to church. There's a biblical definition which is contrary to what most people think. In short christians are very few.
jaephoenix: So calamity, sickness etc does not befall christians, right? Okay So let guess,… U r a the only Christian that walks with Yahweh (and thus without any calamity etc) , and the other approximately 100m other Christians that are befallen by calamity don't walk with Yahweh?
Who is a Christian to you? Someone who goes to church and bears a Christian name?
jaephoenix: So is praying for safety, wealth and good health an answerable prayer?
If you walk with God and obey divine instructions, you don't need to pray for safety. You wouldn't even be there when calamity happens in a location you frequent. Only those who have no close relationship with God pray for safety. Obedience is key here. Not prayer. The same applies to good health. Have the right lifestyle and leave the rest to God. As for wealth, God would give you if it would not breed pride in your life and make you an oppressor of men. God is actually more concerned about what you do to men more than what you do to God.
The bottomline is to walk with God, obey instructions (even if the instruction looks absurd) and live righteously. Your life then becomes God's responsibility. Pray only for the sake of fellowship, not because you have a need.
In the video above. 2 women can be seen exercising their faith in God. Their homes were on fire and they started praying for God to save them.
Guess what? Christian started morking them and called them STUPID. This is my question.
Did God not say CALL ON ME IN THE DAY OF TROUBLE? so why are people calling them stupid for calling on god?
If you think they are stupid for calling on god then what is god useful for if it cannot save you in the day of trouble? DOES THIS PROVE THAT CHRISTIANS DO NOT BELIEVE IN GOD? makes no sense to mock fellow christians exercising their faith. You can see comments of people mocking them here. https://www.nairaland.com/8113215/building-razed-fire-port-harcourt 99% of these comments mock these people and nigeria has 98% of people who believe in god so that means these people believe god is real yet mock those who show faith in god
God does not do what man can do. If the matter is within your means, like in this case, making concerted efforts to douse the fire while awaiting the arrival of the fire service, God would not get involved. He doesn't like people who are lazy and who can not use the senses He gave them. God would involve Himself if the matter is beyond you. That means you've tried your best to no avail. Call upon God and He'll intervene.
For example, before raising Lazarus, Jesus said to the men "roll away the stone." That's what man can do. God would not roll away the stone for man. After they rolled away the stone, He called out Lazarus. That's what only God can do. Man cannot raise the dead. After Lazarus was raised to life, He asked men to loose his bounds and give him food. God would not loose his bounds and give him food because man has the capacity to do all that.
Lack of good understanding of the ways and nature of God is what has made men to lack miracles in their lives.
It was men who failed in this fire incident, not God. But ignorant men would go about blaming God in their ignorance. God is a God of rules and order. Just see the order in the universe . You'll understand. If you don't follow His rules, He would never bend because of you.
achorladey: when they are out there lying and manipulating other people you hear their religious wrting in their publications to outsiders...... Do you allow others do the thinking for you about your beliefs? Yet that is the very same thing they do to their members within their religious organisation yet discourage outsiders not to allow such from their own religious leaders. Looool!
That is why a governing member can come out to say members are now allowed to use their bible trained conscience to greet and invite disfellowshipped persons.
achorladey: They don't want subordinates usurping their powers through independent and critical thinking that comes with higher education.
How will we put these four things into effect? First, study: We may think of study as hard work, as involving heavy research. But in Jehovah’s organization it is not necessary to spend a lot of time and energy in research, for there are brothers in the organization who are assigned to do that very thing, to help you who do not have so much time for this, these preparing the good material in The Watchtower and other publications of the Society. But you do not study enough? Take this suggestion: Often the very best and most beneficial studying you do is that done when you read a new Watchtower or Awake! or a new book with the joy of getting the new truths and a fresh view. You remember the points. You talk enthusiastically to others about them. So try this: Pick up each Watchtower or Awake! as it comes and read it, just for the joy and pleasure it gives. Remember, you are not sitting down to study, just to enjoy the information. This will increase your joy of reading and will give you incentive for more definite, organized study. Jehovah wants you to enjoy your study. He does not want it to be drudgery to you. He is the happy God, taking pleasure in providing all this rich spiritual food.
My God!
In a nut shell, you don't need to study the Bible. Just be studying our Awake magazines and be teaching it enthusiastically to others. This is the instruction that made Maxindhouse detest any suggestion to make his own research?
But the Bible says ""Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth." 2 Tim. 2:15
We're told to study the Bible but JW says it is not necessary. Just study Awake, and you're good to go. Why worry yourself about obeying the biblical injunctions to study the Bible when there are others who are studying it for you? Hilarious!
achorladey: The mode of operation they have been using for a very long time
Doublespeak..... If you refer to what someone says as doublespeak, you are criticizing them for presenting things in a way that is intended to hide the truth or give people the wrong idea.
Of course now.
What's the meaning of "the Bible says we should love ALL men but when an apostate turns evil, we should hate them?"
What's the meaning of "Christ came to save All men, He came to save only 144,000?"
achorladey: . They have to brag and boast about being the better performing performance group to advance their agenda once they know you are not buying the lies and manipulations they advance
...they advance into insults and dirty fighting. Almost everyone of them have insulted me here except Michael547.
achorladey: When MaxInDHouse was even using the fact that this is a faceless forum to advance all these lies, insults, abuses and manipulations. I know there are serious issues someplace somewhere.
Yeah, foundational issues stemming from the cult's misteachings. They groomed uncut children. My children won't even insult their juniors let alone their elders.
Certainly apostates are lifeless without JWs in fact i now understand why Jesus' brothers told us to shun them {Romans 16:17; 2John 10-11} no wonder they keep following us from thread to thread as if they still have business with us!
I really learned something from the way they all abandoned their own thread even though their friends were anticipating to see them pour in more comments but they disappointed all their friends as they don't have anything tangible to share after leaving God's organization.
May JEHOVAH bẹ praised!
Are apostates as lifeless as those who trust an organization that peddles such gibberish as seen in the attached?
MaxInDHouse: Please is it possible to just free him?
The apostates have captured him and infused hatred in his head so even though he meets a JW now who happens to do him a favor what he will like to do to such a brother is evil as long as he belongs to a "demonic cult" as he's been made to believe!
Look, I have no room for hatred in my heart. Christ taught us to love all men including sinners.
Your organization is indeed satanic for even falsely inferring that the Bible teaches you to hate apostates. Screenshot below:
achorladey: Scholarships. Looooooooooooool? The same religious organization that discourage higher education will give you scholarship to go learn in Satan's organisation and in the midst of Satan's agent. It will only happen in your dreams
Probably that's why they discouraged higher education in the first place. To run away from responsibility and have enough illiterates to deceive.
achorladey: Part of their mode of operation is to drag you into their abusive ways. Respect far from those ones here. When they seek respect they don't give I Iaugh at their stupidity peddling like that of Aemmyjah.
achorladey: It is part of the mode of operations of their GODS of men housed in USA. They are the specialists in past truth, present truth, Future truth All these are terms used to hide their lies, contradictions, conflicting doctrines, false prophecy and the rest.
My brother, can you imagine any sane human being living according to the rules attached below?
MaxInDHouse: Please is it possible to just free him?
The apostates have captured him and infused hatred in his head so even though he meets a JW now who happens to do him a favor what he will like to do to such a brother is evil as long as he belongs to a "demonic cult" as he's been made to believe!
Am I as captured like those people who belong to a cult that has the attached rules?
achorladey: That's what those controlled Bible study for six months and above does. The question asked in those publications are meant to be answered verbatim based on the content. Asking too much questions that undermine it is a serious danger they know will not lead to you joining them
I'm just astonished. You can just imagine the attached screenshot.
Christianity Etc › Re: Top 9 Parallels Between Jehovah's Witnesses, Mormons, and Scientologists by FxMasterz: 1:35pm On Jun 09, 2024
