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Arrows decorate the quiver and arm the hunter, princess.

Who else if not us?

How about. . . er. . . Inter?

Or perhaps the season is changing. Your feet are enough to make the grasses sing. It is no wonder that they turn green when you step on them, princess.

Hmmm. . . flowers, ebony, honey and milk.
Sweet to the taste, soft as silk
Mirth, beauty, greatly appealing
Like perfumes and chocolate, simply alluring.

Ah, princess! What have I to do with the servants? In the journey of the soul, it is every man for himself, and God for us all.

No, princess. I am tired of the roar of lions. I wish to hear the sweet, serene sound of the stream over the hills.

pangolo numero omega

mukina2:
who are we woo-in . .interesting . . . hmmm . .

The maidens are dancing.

But not better than you do.

Ah, the dancing boys!

_{*Messed up today, though*}

Water. Smooth, with no ice.

Favourite subject?

Same could be said of you.

ikamefa:
they're good ,growing like weeds!

LOL, Ika. They are the exact opposite of weeds.

Weeds are unwanted. These are desired and sought after.
Weeds are hardy and rough. These are slender and smooth.
Weeds are colourless and ugly. These are beautiful, full of grace, just like their mother.

Weeds? Weeds they're not, cherie. Treasures they are.

we're both doing great!

Indeed.

_{*Time to disappear again, Ika and damsol. See you again soon, moms.*}

ikamefa:
awww! blush! blush!

My pleasure, Ika. As always. How are my sextuplets?

ikamefa:
am good! n u? what's been happening to you?

Busy as ever, cherie. Trying to thaw my brains out for a few moments. . . and what better way is there to do so than with you?

damsol:
hey yall,wats downs?

Greetings to you, Damsol.

Ah! Home, sweet home! How have you been, Ika darling?

Does that include me?

shahan:
Read my post carefully: I don't think I suggested that it was the other way round.

Besides, if man's prayer does not influence the response of the spiritual realms, then it is highly improbable that man should need to pray in the first place. "Ask and it shall be given" - does not suggest an idea of "whatever you ask shall have been asked in heaven!"

I'm sure that I did not suggest that the physical realm does not influence the spiritual. Perhaps you should read point 7 of the original post again.

Spiritual authority has its place - as in the case of binding and loosing. However, man's activities have a huge part to play in influencing the response of the spiritual realm.

See above. There is a difference between "influence" and "govern".

It does not follow in all cases. A man first has to repent and believe in Jesus Christ before mercy and forgiveness are received. In the same vein, it is not to be misconstrued for the idea that a man's repentance on earth is only showing that he has first repented in the spiritual realms before it manifested in the physical.

Quite accurate. This is one example where a physical action holds the key to the spiritual.

shahan:
Prayer and worship are spiritual activities that occur on earth in the physical world. That they are spiritual activities does not negate their physical aspects.

You miss the point. Are prayer and worship spiritual or physical? If physical, then prayer and worship are no different from jogging around the park or going shopping. If spiritual, the fact that it takes place in a physical setting is irrelevant. Man lives in a physical body, and so every one of his activities has a physical element, in the sense that you imply. To remove this physical element totally would mean death. What do you think these mean: "Therefore, whatever I speak, just as the Father has told Me, so I speak", and ". . . the Son can do nothing of himself, but what He sees the Father do; for whatever He does, the Son also does in like manner. . . ."? Do they reflect the spiritual or physical?

shahan:
@Genial,

I enjoyed much in your first post on the thread. However, as a Christian I'm persuaded that the spiritual and the natural are mutual/interrelated. Certainly, the physical realm is mostly governed by the spiritual realm; but then, the physical/natural actions of man have direct influence on the spiritual realms. The example of prayer and worship is a scoring factor on the statement that the activities in the physical influence the spiritual. It is man who prays "let Thy Kingdom come", and then God responds with power and glory.

God is a Spirit, and they that worship him must worship Him in spirit and in truth. Prayer and worship are not physical exercises. They are spiritual, and overflow into the physical.

Man's activities in this respect will influence the response of the Spirit - either for good or bad. Another example thereto is the 'sowing' of our financial gifts on the physical plane; and the consequent spiritual harvest that follow such actions.

This is an example of a seed that is both spiritual and physical. "Give, and it shall be given unto you; good measure, pressed down, and shaken together, and running over, shall men give into your bosom." And "For I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me drink, I was a stranger and you welcomed me. . . . as you did it to one of the least of these my brothers, you did it to me".

Ultimately, God rules over all things. And in His sovereignty, He does not impose anything on man. In the divine economy, the heavens rule over the earth; but the actions of man on the earth influence the response of the heavens.

It is "Thy will be done on earth, as it is in heaven", and not the other way round. “. . . whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven” is a declaration that grants spiritual authority, and may also be read as "shall have been bound in heaven".

Your actions on earth can be spiritual. Their physical manifestations only show what has happened/is happening in the spiritual.

Grouppoint:
I agree that the natural realm is governed by the spiritual. However I also believe that the spiritual is also affected by the natural. Your statement above seems to concur with me.

Man is first a spiritual being, then a natural one. In the same way that everything that manifests physically on your person is a reflection of the various (thought) processes that go on within you, so the natural is a reflection of the spiritual.

If the natural is a reflection of the spiritual, then then by definition the natural is subordinate to the spiritual-the image of which it is a shadow. You cannot change your appearance by changing your reflection or modifying your photograph, neither can you remove an image by obscuring the shadow it casts.

Grouppoint:
Please tell me; If as you say, the spiritual is not governed by natural laws, then why does mankind suffer a spiritual consequence as a result of his natural actions or decision e.g. hellfire.

Natural actions are the result of a spiritual state. Mankind does not suffer a spiritual consequence such as hellfire because of natural actions. It is the consequence of a spiritual state manifesting in physical actions.

Why does the physical act of sowing a seed bring about spiritual multiplication of harvest?

Spiritual seed will yield spiritual seed, which often manifests in the natural, but natural seed will only yield natural seed. If you remember that the natural and spiritual realms are interwoven, then you will understand that most seeds are both natural and spiritual. Therefore they will yield fruit in both realms.

I was wondering what your thoughts are on this. I feel that the spiritual state of mankind is also governed by his physical actions.

The physical actions of man are governed by his spiritual state. Therefore, physical actions reflect spiritual state.

And I suppose the lion doesn't eat human beings if left alone with them? Or the goat eat your boat?

Since it appears to me that you are both fully aware of what you are doing - and I am not, I will excuse myself now. Sorry to bother you. Cheers.

I'm butting into something that is none of my business, and I apologise in advance. But what does this mean, David?

davidylan:
maybe when you do something besides prostituting around, i can reply your incoherent posting quoted above. I can't remember directing any of my posts to you. I would never dream of doing so, please extend that "courtesy" to me too.

debosky:
some men also deserve to be anally raped by a big prisoner named 'Boo', but seriously you don't have to do that either.

I had to go get my ribs stitched up after reading this.

*takes a bow*

It is my pleasure to entertain you, senorita.

I mean your consort, yes.

I mean, mademoiselle, that your consort must be one proud man!

You're not exactly repulsive to the senses, are you?

With all pleasure, mademoiselle.

Uche2nna:
nice flowers

LOL. Nice handbag.