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Abagworo:
Guy the Ika spoken hear sounds completely Igbo in every way you look at it than the Abiriba I posted earlier that sounds like Ibibio.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ltIzwR03ks


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WTeyLw6gKxE

That's a very simplified Ika. That's the Otolokpo dialect of the Eastern Axis of Ika. and again, the things it's talking about are all new stuffs that don't exist in Ika precolonial times. Abiriba might be difficult to understand but it sounds Igbo. I'm not denying their Ibibio connection. In fact, I heard they have Ibibio origin that's why I said the major reason they accept the Igbo tag is probably because they're located in the SE.

I don't know what to say. but she looks extremely ugly in these pictures. or maybe the problem is from the pictures? I don't know

Abagworo:
Is it this Ika or another? Ika sounds closer to central Igbo than Abiriba. Let non-Igbos judge.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ltIzwR03ks

I admitted Abiriba and Ezza are very deep and difficult for other Igbos to understand, but they are much more closer to the Central Igbo than Ika. They both sound Igbo. Ika sound completely different. Doesn't sound like Igbo at all.

Abagworo:
You still don't get. The entire stretch of Abia and parts if Ebonyi equally retain Crossriver traditions different from what you believe is the Igbo tradition. This is Abiriba dialect.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WTeyLw6gKxE

All these dialects, though deeper than most South East Dialects still sound very much Igbo. Ika sound very very much different from any other Igbo. Even the Imo dialects you guys always talk about.

Abagworo:
For the 1st time you admitted one truth which is why written Ika will always be easily understood by majority of Igbo writers. The tone of Ika language makes it difficult for other Igbo speakers to comprehend but on a closer attention most will understand the message being passed. This is not peculiar to Ika though as Igbo speakers in the far east like Abiriba speak with Crossriver tone that without paying closer attention one might think its Ibibio as they share various words with Ibibio speakers.


This is Ezza song. Ezza is an Igbo language spoken in Ebonyi State. Check if you can grab much and FYI most Southeasterners stretch their ears to hear other Southeastern dialects including Owerri dialect.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GRTkW_zSC4

Actually, it's you guys that try to turn the truth around. I say it the way it is, but the truth is bitter in some people's ears. Do you know those guys at the far East have ties with cross riverine groups? The only reason they accept the Igbo tag is because they are in the South East.

For the Ezza song, it's a typical Igbo song. Do you know about Ika songs? do you know Bini Songs? Though Igbo influence is sweeping around SE/SS Nigeria, especially in the entertainment industry, we're still able to retain our Edoid pattern of traditional music.

how does this change the fact that she's white? is this a form of obsession or delusion? or what's up her sleeve? How does identifying with blacks make employers not want to hire her? or maybe they think she's not really normal which is not far from the truth. btw, nothing makes sense here.

Dhugal:
Blown out of proportion or not,you now agree there's a relationship/similitude.
That's a first.

I was expecting you to deny that's Agbor ika dialect,so I bury you on this board.

Debating with you guys is pointless. It's funny how you all behave the same way.

That sweater he's wearing belongs to a military or paramilitary personnel.

Abagworo:
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Owerri is not the only dialect in Imo State. What do you know about Oguta and Egbema dialects?

What I always hear you guys talk about is how Ika is so similar to Owerri. Although Oguta and Egbema seem to have ties with Anioma but it's Ukwani they're related to. Although I also understand Ika and Ukwani are almost the same but the intonation is completely different except on some words, statements and expression that sound very much alike.

Dhugal:
Because it is.
Even I,an Nnewi man,recognized it.
@Abagworo,that's Agbor ika dialect he wrote there.
I've heard them speak thus.

The Owerri-Ika relationship is being blown out of proportion. Me as an Ika man, I don't understand majority of what Owerri people speak. language is easier to understand in songs but I don't even understand most of what oriental brothers and other Owerri musicians speak. Only thing I see in common is the ri factor. Owerri sounds very deep to me. I understand Anambra better than Owerri. so how is it similar to Ika/

iworh01:
Ndi ika daru ni o. dodo ni owen assignment we ye eni school eni. dodo yenim eka. d assignment is: what are the orthographies of tone, nasalization and vowel harmony in your mother tongue. Dodo no yenim eka.

LOL

YourNemesis:
All these words you wrote are Yoruba, how can you be saying that is Ika?

They all mean the same thing in Ika. same spellings, same pronunciation.

Keenysbojan:
This is funny

It has many meaning in Ika as well.
Ogun - medicine.
Ogun - Charm
Ogun - fight or war
Ogun - twenty
Ogun - God of Iron

cheruv:
So instead of responding based on merit you wanna know where he's from
All these Bini settlers in Anioma are really painting us black!!

Where's he from will determine if he even knows what he's talking about.

Klinee:
Guy take it or leave it Enuani people don't understand Ika, fact! I understand a little bit of Ika because I happen to stay close to some of them so learnt a bit of it. Did you expect an average Oko man,Okpanam man,Asaba man, okwe man,ogwashi uku man, Ushi man,Illa man,iselle Azagba man, Igbuzo man to understand Ika? ehu? come on, Impossible unless the person lived in Ika-land or maybe has a close tie with an Ika persons. Am not saying this in order to alienate the Ikas from their Enuani-anioma brothers but I say what I saw and how it is happening and you know that.

What makes this whole thing funny is because Enuani and Ika speak almost the same thing with different intonation. All Anioma groups are tonal but Ika is obviously more nasal. So those Enuani people have not had close interactions with Ika and you have the closer interactions? Please look for a different lie.

Klinee:
Am from Anambra but I live in Enuani land I tell you, I try to even interpret agbo dialect to some of them. You know the truth stop lying! Unless you are not base in any part of Delta North

You're from Anambra and you try to interpret Agbor to Enuani speakers? So Anambra people understand Ika better Enuani speakers? the joke is on you. Igbos are known liars. It didn't start from here and it's not going to end here.

Abagworo:
Ukwuani is related to Igbo spoken in parts of Imo and Anambra like Ogbaru and Oguta while Enuani is more related to Anambra proper like Idemili or Onitsha. Ika is a more difficult dialect just like Afikpo, Abiriba, Abakaliki and Ikwerre.

Ika is difficult but Ukwani is very difficult as well. Enuani is easier for Easterners to understand but there are many Ika words in all Anioma dialects. We all speak almost the same things with slight difference. where there is a major difference is intonation. Ukwani speak Ika with Urhobo accent, Enuani sounds more Igbo but there are many Ika words and expression. Just too many. Anybody that disputes this is not from Anioma

Klinee:
Guy to be honest to you, an average Enuani person find it very much harder to understand Ika dialect just like Anambra person too. Any Igbo dialect Anambra person finds difficult to understood will also be difficult for Enuani person to understand. For example Ika dialect, ebonyi dialect and ikwere dialect will be difficult for Anambra person to understand the same with Enuani person. Similarities between Anambra and Enuani Igbo far more compared to Enuani/Ika.

Where are you from? This will determine if I will respond to you or not

cheruv:
As long as the person claims he's Anioma you'd automatically understand

Not true. I don't attack someone for have an opposing view. You also said you're from Anioma, though you were lying, but I don't ever understand your points.

hedonistic:
Wonderful development.

But this is just the beginning. I am currently compiling a long list of civilian brutalisation/human rights abuse incidents perpetrated by these unprofessional and undisciplined animals in the Nigerian Armed Forces, and would publicise them via a well-structured and heavily funded social media platform, with the support of international agencies that I'm currently establishing contacts with.

The already battered image of the Nigerian Armed Forces is just about to get more battered than ever before. This ridiculous sense of superiority and disdain for civilians by Nigerian soldiers has reached its apogee. It's time to take the fight to their doorstep. In a constitutional democracy, the military is SUBORDINATE to civil authority and derives its legitimacy from civil authority. Nigeria's case cannot be different.

Enough is enough.

Please do. Citizens are supposed to love their Armed Forces but I hate Nigerian Military with passion. When I see a soldier killed, I don't know how I feel. I have a feeling of happiness and pain. pain because these soldiers have siblings and parents.

Dhugal:
Then knowing all Southeasterners don't speak same,you should also have known that majority Anambra communities understand,and some speak,nkei and nke e.
You are the one being ignorant here.
@Redbonesmith,some communities in Orumba and Aguata say ekwukwo for akwukwo.
@Agadez007,we say fundua for now.

Who's debating that? Do you know that there are some Anioma affiliated groups in Anambra? But the're just a minute number so using that as an example doesn't count in this instance. I can as well say they are Enuani people even if their Enuani is adulterated. And the funny thing is they all claim Benin origin. Is it a coincidence that all Anioma groups and Anioma related groups claim Bini origin irrespective of what State they are from?

Ekwokwo and Akwokwo are exactly the same thing. same as Ali/Ani and Ara and era. That example is very inconsequential here. Stressing vowels to replace consonants is an entirely different thing. it alters the sound completely that others not conversant with it get lost to what the speaker is saying.

agadez007:
Too much ignorance in this thread,somebody who dosent knw dat all parts of Igboland have their own dialects acting like an authority on igbo language,I am from ANAMBRA based in OWERRI,there is a mountain of difference btw what i speak nd what they speak in IMO
Let me gve some examples
To laugh is ichi ochi in Owerri but in my side its 'Imu Amuu',an Imolite who av never interacted with my side of Ndi anambra can never understand that

We will say gini,some nnewi will say gunu,while owerri is NINI

We say kitaa for now,an owerri will say ugbulaka
We say iteghete for nine,they will say itolu

We say EBEA For here,they say NGA

These are few of the diff btw idemili and owerri,we also have diff in FOOD
If u dont knw asj and stop making mockery of urself

the ignorance is coming from you. You do not understand where an argument is coming from before you started commenting out of context. Who doesn't know all south Easterners don't speak the same?

RedboneSmith:
Okay, there seems to be a miscommunication here, so i will quickly restate my points.

I did not say an easterner will automatically understand ki ro and ki do. I am sure they will not. I only pointed out that easterners don't always say ogini, but say things like K'iyoo which is close to ki ro and ki do.

I maintain that any easterner who does not understand nkei is not grounded in Igbo language. As for nke eh, I can imagine some (or even many) easterners not being able to understand it.

You make calls in front of Igbos and they don't understand you. Of course, I don't expect them to. The linguistic distance between Ika and many Igbo dialects is quite substantial.

Lastly, what started this little argument was my statement that Oshimili is close to what they speak in (parts of) Anambra. I am still here wondering why anyone would want to dispute that.

Easterners don't understand Nkei and nke eh and some other exclusive Anioma words and expressions. I've tried speaking Ika to many Easterners. I never argued Oshimili being close to what they speak in some parts of Anambra. What I don't agree on is Oshimili being closer to what they speak in Anambra than it is to Ika. The Enuani-Anambra similarities are mostly some central Igbo words which every Igbo person understand but the Enuani-Ika similarities are deeper. Only Anioma and other affiliated people can understand them.

RedboneSmith:
Bros, believe me when i tell you that anyone who doesn't code what nkei means does not understand Igbo at all.

Also, not everybody says ogini in the east. I hear many easterners say K'iyoo all the time (a contraction of 'Kee iye o') and this is cognatically related to ki ro and ki do.

I'm an Ika man and I've been with Igbos from different parts of the East. Many of the things we talk in Anioma (Enuani, Ukwani and Ika) is not easily understood by those guys in the East. Ki ro, Ki do and Nkei, Nke ee and many others. I answer call in the presence of those Easterners. I can't imagine having this debate with someone from Anioma

Igboid:
Ika and Ukwuani sound less light and fluent, unlike Enu-ani and Idemili.
Ika and Ukwuani are highly tonal with your non observance of the rule of "Ndakorita Udaume" , which Redbonesmith had done justice on with that his post.

Both Ika and Ukwuani sound like dialect clusters found in Imo state.
Ika more than Ukwuani.

I understand what Redbonesmith was talking about but I don't understand you at all. The example I gave is more Ika than it is Enuani but you said Ikas don't speak like that? maybe you just didn't know. I suspect

RedboneSmith:
It is very easy to pick a perspective and leave out other perspectives. Ika and Enuani do have many similarities due to interrelations and common linguistic influence from Benin, no doubts there.

On the other hand, I can point out many, many points of convergence between Oshimili and Anambra dialects like Idemmili. Even 'nke i' instead of nke gi which you pointed out is common throughout Idemmili area and beyond.

One obvious common trait is that Enuani and Anambra uses n to replace l in Ika. So Enuani and Anambra say Ani and not ali like in Ika, and enu and not elu as in Ika.

Anambra and Enuani also use l to replace r in Ika. So Enuani/Anambra say ala while Ika will say era.

Ika will use e where Anambra and Enuani will use a. Ekwa/Akwa, ekwukwo/akwukwo, ekpa/akpa etc.

I can actually go on and on. I do not believe Anioma is one language like you said because evidence does not suggest so.


Anambra people communicate much more easily with us than they can communicate with Ika folks.

of course, Anambra folks communicate better with you guys than us. that's a fact. I'm not talking about Enuani-Anambra Ika-Anambra similarities but I'm talking about Enuani-Anambra Enuani-Ika relationship.

The N to L like in Ani and Ali and L to R differences you gave is inconsequential. Anybody that understands what Ani means will understand what Ali mean. so also Ekwa and the era example. But the example I gave is more diverse. Somebody that's not from the Anioma (including the Anambra part) can never understand what I mean by Nkei, Nke eh. Only the Anioma axis of Anambra and their neighbors which they influenced will understand this. Which shows it's an Anioma form of speaking. What is it is Ki ro in Ika and Ki do in Enuani as against Ogini used in the East. The Anambra folks don't understand this by default except they've lived among the Aniomas. There are many examples I can give but you will only understand this if you've lived among the three groups which I'm sure you have. just that you never noticed this or thought about it from this perspective. The Enuani-Anambra relationship is not as deep as the Enuani-Ika relationship. this is just my point. There is some slight differences between the Enuanis of Delta and those in Anambra. but there are many similarities as well. Enuani guys sounds so much like the Anambra on the surface (especially those guys related to Anioma and to some extent those around them) but it's more like Ika and Ukwani than it is to Anambra guys.

Igboid:
Most Igbos woul say Nke ya for his own but we in Anioma say Nke e. Nke gi is Nkeiii in Anioma.

This is same in Idemili.

I have heard Ika before, it doesn't sound this way, including Ukwuani/Ndokwa. Only Enu-ani sound this way.
Only Enu-ani speaking Ika people like Igbodo sound that way too.

What is this one saying? Idemili and environs are affiliated with Anioma so they speak like Anioma in some occasions. but what do you mean Ika and Ukwani don't sound that way?

RedboneSmith:
I am Oshimili o, bros. Ika is linguistically distinct from how we speak in Oshimili. We don't automatically understand everything Ika people say. Oshimili is quite close to how they speak in some parts of Anambra.


I like the song sha. I've been singing the parts I understand since yesterday.

I disagree with you on Oshimili being closer to how they speak in Anambra than Ika. Anioma ethnics are basically one language with different intonation. Enuani happens to lean more towards Igbos than the others but that doesn't make it closer to them than it is to other Anioma groups.

Take for instance, language formation in all Aniomas are the same. One quick example that came to my mind is the eradication of consonants in the possessive pronoun. and even the ones that retained the consonants is basically similar between all Anioma groups. Please ignore my poor local writing. find if difficult writing some local words. Most Igbos woul say Nke ya for his own but we in Anioma say Nke e. Nke gi is Nkeiii in Anioma. Obum mu (ie, it's me) is Mu do in Enuani and Me ro in Ika. Obuya is Ya do in Enuani, ya ro in Ika. I can go on and on. Language formation in Anioma is basically the same. same words but different intonations. sometimes, it's almost exactly same intonation

nengibo:
Saw this song on Youtube, can any Ika speaker interpret it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tfxHP_AHlAk

Please, this is not an appropriate Ika song to use to showcase Ika culture. It's too poor in everything. I can interpret it but try another song please.

And can all those shameless Igbos peddling lies how Ika people has majority Igbo names listen to the names the musician is calling?

RedboneSmith:
Language-wise, Ika language is closer to Igbo than to Edo. There are many lines in that song that I understand. I wonder if an Edo person can understand as much as I did.

Yes. Ika language is obviously closer to Igbo than Edo. but what do you mean by having many lines you can understand? Ain't you an Anioma man anymore? Edo person will be lost in this song. Benin people understand only a little Esan even though Esan understand Bini. It's same with Urhobo and Isoko.

The video is not a cultural Ika song. I don't know what to call it. The language and lyrics is very poor. maybe some guys forcing themselves into music.


And can all those shameless Igbos peddling lies how Ika people has majority Igbo names listen to the names the musician is calling?

Nigerians are the problem of NIgeria. Until Nigerians stop overhyping of these beasts in uniform, they won't stop acting like beasts they are trained to be. Other country's military train their military to defend civilians but Nigerian military train their soldiers to see civilians as less human and animals.

I'm not commenting until they present evidence. For now, it's still a rumor or speculation