₦airaland Forum

RedboneSmith:
If this was his point, then I don't understand why my comment had to be quoted by him to make the point when all I said was that the terms 'chi' and 'chuku' came to Ika in the last century.

Bro, I thought you guys agreed to leave this thread for them? this argument will never end. And Hundreds of them are still on pending waiting to join. They have the population. But that doesn't make any different to an Ika man.

This was Yaradua's regime. And they said yaradua was a very good leader. Who was responsible for awarding such outrageous contract?

ChinenyeN:
Nawa for myself. That is certainly my mistake. Here I was accusing you of not reading well, only to end up being guilty myself in turn.

It happens bro. nobody is above mistakes.

Chiefobdk1:
If delta Igbos re not Igbos

Before the creation of states wat replaced delta in DELTA IGBO

Why do they speak Igbo and bear Igbo names wit Igbo titles

There are few Igbo titles. But as for language, did you see Redbonsmith's comment? just above this your comment.

Is this the best he can do? I thought he had incriminating materials to blackmail him with? This shows that what he is guilty of what he was accused of

cheruv:
Is akaraka Bini too?
The Bini are just too desperate to claim Anioma but thank God our people are speaking up. This Bini appetite for our land is just too voracious

What business does Akaraka has to do with Anioma? Do you even know what you're talking about?

cheruv:
I don't particularly like it when ignorant folks make sweeping generalizations... What's 90%
Moreover their case is a case of reverse migration.. They went to Idu earlier before the 15th century and had to remigrate when Ewuare(r1440-1473) started his madness. That's why almost all of them have identifiable Igbo names from ezechima to akaraka...compare their case to that of the ishan who left in the 14th century or the Urhobo/Isoko who left in the 11th century during the Ogiso period. You'd see that unlike the Igbo remigrants, the Ishan and Urhobo have clear Edoid names.
Moreover, the Igbos who came out from Idu met already existing Igbo populations West of the Ohimiri river...all they did was to impose Bini political systems on those already existing Igbo populations, aside the political systems every other thing in Anioma is Igbo

Ezechime is a corrupted name. The natives say their founders are from Bini. They never talked about reverse migration. You want to tell me that you know their history more than them? There is nothing like Reverse migration and Igbo aborigines. This is another mere speculation from the Igbos to claim land. and besides, only few Anioma communities are from Ezechime.

Must this guy be controversial? Controlling religious organisations in this country that's religiously hit up is not right. This guy always support bad thing. I'm still waiting for the day you will create a thread on why the Fulani herdsmen are right to be killing Nigerians.

But when any cultist is arrested in Niger Delta, they are quick to broadcast his name and label him a militant leader. THis people sef

blues20:
Where do you get your 90% statistic from Mr Man

I'm Anioma and I know the history of my people. 90% Anioma generally and 99% in Ika axis. GIve me your own statistics.

blues20:
The dude is a confused jack. He keeps going back and fort without definite direction or position. Its a known fact that the Aniomas are western Igbos that got mix up with Benin, Igala and even Yoruba migrant, the case of Ogbodu - Olukumi - comes to mind. I once met an Ogodu guy in Awka sometime last year on project. He told me clearly his people migrated from Ondo, but are currently in Delta like century ago. He is bilingual, both in his native Delta Igbo and the very distant Yoruba he speaks. So you could see that this guys retain their language and also adopted the Igbo language because of lasting interaction.
In conclusion, you can succinctly say that Anioma is mixture of different ethnic group, but with Igbos having the majority due early migration patter and aboriginal right. The Igbos were already well settled in Western Side of the Niger before this new wave of migrant from the West trouped in. This is why the Igbo language, culture, names and tradition prevailed over the rest, because onye we' ali is a complete diali.
This is my opinion.

90% of Anioma migratory stories traces their origin to Bini. All your talks of aborigine is mere speculation and concoction. I never seen anybody bring out solid prove to igbo aborigines in Anioma area. All the oldest Anioma kingdoms said they came from Bini. So you want to tell me Anioma people don't know where their founders come from?

AHH AHH BROS!!! I DON'T LIKE DRAGGING ISSUES FOR TOO LONG BUT CAN YOU READ THIS AND TELL ME HOW HIS COMMENTS MEANS IKA IS IGBO CONQUERED BY THE EDOS?

BornStunner1:


Because the benins unlike the yorubas never saw the need to force their language down the throat of thier subjects!!


The benin Empire allowed her subjects keep a measure of thier identity as long as tributes where paid to the center of the Empire which is benin

Joe82834:
Good history but I think what this means is that they were ibos who were probably conquered,ruled and governed by d Benin empire.like u said urself,probably that explains y 97% of their names are IBO names,even d title.

Again this is based on what u said

BornStunner1:
Ikas are edos it is Aniomas that are part igbo part edo

gerg:
Ika areas was already bearing Edo names before the Bini the start of the Bini Empire. when was Ika area conquered, ruled and governed? Founders of majority of Ika kingdoms and their children have Edo names, majority of Ika people have Edo surnames. 99 % of our title is Edo. Do you even know what you are talking about?

BornStunner1:
Ika people are part and parcel Edo!!

Joe82834:
Do u read at all or u ve a problem with understanding comments.pls go try d post and quoted and see everything I pointed out was based on that.
Some Nigerians can be annoyingly lazy.u see sm1 making a point based on what he has quoted(actually everything pointed out was from dat guys point and he duly replied) but u just read d post without analysing d posy been quoted.

gerg:
It's ok. NO vex. Seems you got mad at my reply. But actually, you quoted the guy out of context. Don't read meaning to people's comment indiscriminately. that's my problem with people here. I think you people only see what you want to see. I see a great degree of prejudice in Igbo everywhere online and in real life. it's not normal.

Joe82834:
Its OK. But did u see d guys reply to what I quoted.it clearly showed it was in line with what he said. On ur views abt d igbos online,its totally ur opinion and u re cool with it( stereotyping). Just go try n see his reply

This proves my stereotyping. some Stereotypes are not just stereotyping but facts. It's a trait that is either passed through by gene or environment.

Joe82834:
Do u read at all or u ve a problem with understanding comments.pls go try d post and quoted and see everything I pointed out was based on that.
Some Nigerians can be annoyingly lazy.u see sm1 making a point based on what he has quoted(actually everything pointed out was from dat guys point and he duly replied) but u just read d post without analysing d posy been quoted.

It's ok. NO vex. Seems you got mad at my reply. But actually, you quoted the guy out of context. Don't read meaning to people's comment indiscriminately. that's my problem with people here. I think you people only see what you want to see. I see a great degree of prejudice in Igbo everywhere online and in real life. it's not normal.

Joe82834:
Good history but I think what this means is that they were ibos who were probably conquered,ruled and governed by d Benin empire.like u said urself,probably that explains y 97% of their names are IBO names,even d title.

Again this is based on what u said

Ika areas was already bearing Edo names before the Bini the start of the Bini Empire. when was Ika area conquered, ruled and governed? Founders of majority of Ika kingdoms and their children have Edo names, majority of Ika people have Edo surnames. 99 % of our title is Edo. Do you even know what you are talking about?

cheruv:
Seems you no sabi difference btwn division and province

What's the difference btwn Benin division and Benin province?

I am not a historian but I know the history of my people very much. I know Asaba Division was under Bini Province. So can you please tell me what the difference between a Division and a Province is?

cheruv:
Idu didn't send any reinforcements biko...even if we were allies, how'd Idu send reinforcement when they were under effective British occupation This is similar to the Axis powers after may 1945..how can imperial Japan expect aid from Nazi Germany when we all know the Nazis surrendered to the Allies on may 11,1945 and maybe like in June 1945 Japan would now be expecting help from the Nazis... That's a no brainer
Moreover, when Anioma resistance collapsed, the British divided up Anioma and placed Ika under direct Idu overlordship to placate the Bini on account of 1897. All the Bini men sent as satraps/administrators to the various Ika princely states were murdered one after the other except in few places. This event is what pushed the Brits to leave ika in asaba division instead of the planned move to Benin division.

Asaba Division was under Bini province.

skywalker240:
Lies from the pit of latrine



Oya prove am

Prove wetin? Were you in mars when GEJ was endorsed by CAN at a meeting held in RCCG? what other prove do you need again?

lielbree:
So buhari is no longer a saint in the eyes of adeboye

How times have changed

People like you talk on rumors without following facts. CAN endorsed GEJ. at a meeting held at the RCCG, Oyedepo and other powerful pastors were in attendance, they endorsed GEJ. Osibanjo was almost booed at a conference he attended after his candidacy was rejected by RCCG who said GEJ will serve the interest of the Christians better than Buhari. I can still remember this vividly.

The problem with these Igbo people is that they formulate a theory without any evidence to back up their theory and stick to it. See Igbos that don't know their history trying to rewrite other people's history. it's quite funny.

Edo is from Igbo, original inhabitants of Ife were Igbos so Igbos were the aborigines of Ife. Igalla was founded by an Nri prince and Attah of Igalla still pay homage to Nri. These are the kind of theories I hear from Igbo people and it really sound funny. I'm not surprised when you people also write stuff about Anioma. This is what you people know how to do best

cheruv:
Absolute BS!!!
Though understandable kos its coming from the mouth of a misinformed Bini

From all indications, Igbos don't know the meaning of the name or it's origin. There was nothing like Igbo just like Anioma. Can you tell me at what point in time Igbos recognized themselves as Igbos? or the meaning of the name? or origin? You can't answer this because nobody knows. everybody knows how the name Anoma came about and everybody knows we have collectively been called different names before this present names was coined.

RedboneSmith:
Ah, you live outside Nigeria. It makes sense now. Oshimili is my second home. You will never know them more than i do. In fact, i am driving to Okwe this evening to hang out with my goons. And i am telling you as someone who eats from the same plate with the indigenes that they connect more with Ogbaru than they connect with Ika. They understand Ogbaru dialect far, far more easily than they understand Ika, and they understand that they share a deeper level of brotherhood with Ogbaru than they share with Ika. The riverine areas of Oshimili belong to the same geo-cultural entity with Ogbaru - they are all called Olu people. Ika is not Olu.

Before Dennis Osadebay in the 1950s or so, there was nothing like Anioma. Anioma is nothing but a political coalition of "Igboid" ethnic groups who found themselves in the Midwestern Region. You people in this age have turned it not what it was never intended for.

There was nothing like Igbo few decades or century ago but the whole South East have a deep sense of brotherhood even with some little issues they have but Ika, Enuani and Ukwani have always been known and classified as one people. different people have always have terms they identify Anioma area collectively from the olden days.

Hmm!!!

Yujin:
That so called 'ri mma' and a few others, did you bother yourself to see if there could be any trace of a link between Ika and Owerre? Have you studied any ancient artwork from both sides? I have done so hence my comparison. I advise you do too then come back and say what you discovered. The Europeans who studied Ika extensively called them Western Igbos and not otherwise.

I said I am Ika and I don't understand Owerre dialect. It sounds greek to me and every other Ika man. what else do you want me to study? You will be making a great mistake if you involve the Europeans into this. Most of their studies are absolute nonsense.

Yujin:
Firstly, I do not lie. Read this
4) Igbanke is made up of six (6) autonomous clans: Ake/Obiogba, Idumu-Odin, Igbontor, Oligie, Omolua and Ottah. These clans were governed by traditional rulers called ‘’Eze or Obi’’. These terms were of Ika origin, but have been forcefully changed to ‘’Enogie’’ a Bini term by the conquering Binis.
Below is another excerpt from an article online that highlights what the Igbanke people are suffering in their present LGA from their supposed brothers.

1)Most Igbanke indigenes who have Ika ancestral names like, “Emeka”, “Maduka”, “Chukwuka’’, “Chinyere”, “Amaka and “Ogorchukwu etc are often confronted with all forms of harrowing experiences when there are needs to visit our council headquarters, Abudu to process one official documents or the other. We are often denied the issuance of documents like, ‘’Certificate of Local Government of origin’’, Protest Letter’’, To Whom it May Concern’’ etc on the guise that we are Igbos not Binis.
2) Those who have the likes of the Ika aforementioned names, but can speak Bini language are rarely subjected to the above embarrassments and discriminations. This act goes a long way to vindicate our fear that there is a subtle, but carefully planned agenda to make us lose and abandon our ancestral linguistic and cultural heritage.
3) In order to escape from these unnecessary embarrassments, some have no other option left than to change their identity from Ika to Bini names.
4) Today, we, the good people of Igbanke are gradually losing our once envied linguistic and cultural identity.
5) Some of the eminent sons and daughters of Igbanke, whom out of their outstanding contributions to the development of the community, were recognized and given chieftaincy titles had had such titles changed from their original Ika origin to Bini equivalence. For example, few years ago, one of our sons who addressed himself as “Chief Orike-Eze” in Oba of Benin palace was shamefully harassed, insulted and forcefully forced, right in the palace to change the title to its Bini version. According to the palace, the title, “Orike-Eze” had its origin from Ika and Igbo nations.
You can see that I tell no lies. Your unreserved apology is demanded.

The kings of Igbanke are called Enogie. It would be nice if you provide the author of your write up. Anybody can fabricate stories and post them online

cheruv:
It seems you're either misinformed or you're deliberately trying to spread lies.. Sometimes last year or is it last two years the igbanke were screaming out for help that they're been marginalized culturally by Benin and they're even gave instances where they'd go to abudu,which is orhiomwon's HQ(igbanke is located in orhiomwon LG) and they're denied services because their names sound "Igbo" with some Bini callously telling them to go to Delta state and get whatever services they're looking for there. Now how can you tell a people that their land is located in Edo state to go to delta and get whatever services they're seeking for just bkos they're not Bini like you??
All these things is what's propelling the Igbanke to demand that their areas be either made a LG on its own or be ceded to Anioma(ie Delta).

Anyway all these is what makes me to seriously push for Anioma state so that the insults we suffer from Edoid folks like you would cease.

Igbanke said they want to be Anioma and never said they want to be Igbo. Get that into your thick skull

Yujin:
Take for instance Igbanke which is presently in Edo state. Virtually everything about their language and customs scream Igbo. There traditional ruler goes by the title Eze and not even Obi. Will you say it was the Igbos across the R . Niger that influence them? Look that the sentence construction of the Ikas: it is clearly Igbo. Languages which were and are Edoid can still be identified through lots of similarities. Urhobos, Isokos, Ishans, Estakos clearly bear edoid language constructions but not the Ika language. Ika is purely of Igbo origin of course with bini loan words. Ika barely has any traceable link with SE Igbo groups but still speak like the Owerre Igbo subgroup. Their proximity to Bini did not erase those fundamental markers. Think about that.

I'm from Ika but I don't understand Owerri dialect of the Igbo language. The only similarity I noticed between my language and Owerri is "ri" as in ri mma and few others. Even all those Owerri singers, I don't understand anything they sing. It sounds like greek in an Ika man's ears except those that stayed in the East or does business there. So enough of this Ika and Owerri similarity stuffs I see here always.

Yujin:
Take for instance Igbanke which is presently in Edo state. Virtually everything about their language and customs scream Igbo. There traditional ruler goes by the title Eze and not even Obi. Will you say it was the Igbos across the R . Niger that influence them? Look that the sentence construction of the Ikas: it is clearly Igbo. Languages which were and are Edoid can still be identified through lots of similarities. Urhobos, Isokos, Ishans, Estakos clearly bear edoid language constructions but not the Ika language. Ika is purely of Igbo origin of course with bini loan words. Ika barely has any traceable link with SE Igbo groups but still speak like the Owerre Igbo subgroup. Their proximity to Bini did not erase those fundamental markers. Think about that.

Traditional rulers of Igbanke is not Eze. Everything about Igbanke doesn't scream Igbo. look for another lie

RedboneSmith:
Erm... Benin and Agbor actually fought at least two wars, and Benin did conquer Agbor. Also, I think you people are being too simplistic when you say all Ika communities were founded by members of Bini royal family. I am not contesting that some indeed were founded from Benin, but some were also of local origin. For information on Agbor origins, read the History of Agbor by Chief Iduuwe.

Bini and Agbor had many turbulent periods but it wasn't a war. and it wasn't as far back as the 15th century like that guy wants us to believe.

cheruv:
I've taken time to study the cultures and languages of Bini and Ika and I can say that you're talking absolute trash!
Like the guy you quoted correctly said, the relationship btwn Idu and Ika is just related to the political sphere. Linguistically, ika and Bini are very different languages even though you'd see terms in ika that are Bini as expected of languages that are geographic neighbors but every other thing that defines a language shows that ika is as different from Bini as the sun is different from the moon
A good example that buttresses your claims is the ekpon...I read sometime ago that they're now switching from ishan language which is an Edoid language to ika which is an Igboid one.

You don't know what you are talking about. Ekpon is Ishan. For Ekpon that is an Ishan to start switching to Ika disproves the point you are trying to make and corroborates mine.

cheruv:
Ikas were Igbos long even before Iweka ascended the throne...stop creating issues where they're are none. If you say we're Igbonizing the isoko or any non Igboid tribes like those in bayelsa, then I'd take that serious. But for you to claim the ika are been Igbonized,all I'd do is just laugh because the ika are recovering from centuries of Bini oppression that started when the Bini conquered agbor in the Idu-Ika war of 1577.

The way Igbo people throw their history is amusing. Bini never conquered Agbor. there is nothing like Idu-Ika war. All the Ika communities that were formed in the fifteenth century were founded by members of Bini Royal family fleeing from the crises in the royal family.

Why give Buhari an award after all he has done to kill sporting in Nigeria?

Yujin:
The civil war dealt a deadly blow on the Igbo nation but thank God that we are strongly recovering. However, one persistent challenge here is with the history and origin of the Western portion of Igboland otherwise known as Anioma. Historians have been clear on the make up of that geographical area that a lot of migrations happened in there. The culture, customs and language shows a mixture of different groups of which the dominant ones are Igbo and Bini. Of the two, Igbo takes the major share in virtually all the activities of the people except in the area of Kingship or governance of the people. In Anioma, you find the same leadership titles as is found in Benin. When it comes to language and festivities, just few words and festivals are shared with Benin even though Benin was an empire with immense power that dominated a lot of lands and tribes. Why could her influence be so limited if actually the people of Anioma were erstwhile of Benin origin? This is a pertinent question to ask. Igbo on the other hand were never empire builders. They were more of republicans who prefer direct and inclusive governance of their communities. Like I wrote earlier, a lot of migrations happened and so the Igbo migrants into Anioma would be too big and with more power to have had their language and customs displace the former one if actually the earlier occupants of Aniomaland weren't Igbos. This of course is most improbable. That a lot of Anioma monarchs go to Benin for blessings and legitimacy does not equate their respective kingdoms as offshoot of Benin. Those conversant with empires and how they operate with their vassal states would agree that as long as an empire has suzerainty over another land, the leader of the vassal state would have to consistently get to the emperor for legitimacy to ward off any contender to the throne because failure to do that could see the monarch replaced with another of his kind. The problem today is that what was done before as a survival instinct today has been stamped as a tradition. How can you speak a language totally unrelated with another yet you go and get legitimacy from that throne which at present has no jurisdiction over you? It could only be a political set up that has been etched as tradition and never one birthed out of origin.
Anioma kings have always been from the people themselves except when new communities are formed. One clear example is using the Ugbodu community as an example. These people's history can be verified from the relics of their ancient language which was clearly not Benin. If the Edos were the aborigines of Aniomaland, won't the Ugbodu's have abandoned their Olukumi language for an edoid one? Why the tilt to Igbo language when there was clearly no imperial power to force them? Its very clear that anything 'unIgbo' in Aniomaland was an external influence.
Another pandoras box is this: did the Edo migrations happen only at their eastern flank? What about those on the western side towards Yorubaland? The case of having an 'Osemawe of Ondoland' as the paramount ruler of Ondo town the second largest and most important city in Ondo state tells a lot of stories. The influence of Benin is very clear here just as it is in Akure the capital but you will never hear her people disclaiming Yoruba because they realize that their King acknowledging the great Oba of Benin does not translate to having their origin from Edo. It was clearly a case of politics- Empire vs Vassal state.
I hope my long essay did shed some light at the grey areas and it is my wish that we embrace our history and make them source of friendship than bitterness. Trying to de-Igbonise Anioma will only leave the people lost just as our Ikwerre brethren are presently lost in articulation and history. It is my prayer that our people will stop this internal wranglings that bring no one any good.

Before talking about how the Igbo came about to influence Anioma language so much, try to put the Igbo population as against Edo population into consideration then you will know how simple it is for Anioma to be Igbonized. Even as we are speaking, Ika is becoming more Igbonized. Even some other minority groups in Rivers and Bayelsa are getting Igbonized. Don't let prejudice to block you sense of reasoning