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Afam4eva:
This has always been onr of my greatest worries about the present crop of Igbo people particularly from the SE. We tend to be violently persuasive in the way we do things. If there are even Anioma people that want to accept the Igbo tag, they would think twice on encountring some comments by some Igbo folks on here and on the internet. They make it seem like Being Igbo or even being a supporter of Biafra is a form of slavery. I think we need to start learning from other ethnic groups on how to be diplomatic in our approach else an Ikwerre man will not hate you more than an Hausa does. I remember when some American and British brough up Igbo people like Ogugua and Adaobie etc made an effort to be part of the Igbo community on here, they were chased away because some idiots were angry that they couldn#t speak Igbo. I just wonder what is wrong with our people. I won't rule out the effect of the civil war on our psyche.

I think the civil war is responsible for some of these behaviors. it's so sad. I personally can't identify with Igbos because of this crying and whining attitudes.

This is for people that love public proposal. If I give you a ring in the bedroom and you refuse then that's good for you

Human life is very precious and nothing justifies taking another human's life. but to be honest, I'm happy about that Ile Ife Killings. The Northern Moslems violence and killing is their exclusive right. Now their sense have been reset. I wish they will be getting paid in their own coins from now. Whenever they bring it on, give it to them double. if it starts happening this way, you would never hear of any killings in the NOrth. The Northerners that I know are the greatest cowards in this word. they strike, when you strike back they run. They only continue with their attack because we in the South refuse to strike back harder and harder

Chysler:
Don't worry I will give you a reference dictionary for clearer understanding...

Weaker Igbo... This is not to say their Igbo is inferior to other Igbo dialect..no no no! Infact their dialect is closer to central Igbo than some igbo dialects find in the east e.g ezza... I used the term "weaker Igbo" to connote the variations and changes that the dialect have evolved into away from its parents source which is central Igbo..this is possible becos in a language continuum , words are borrowed, intonation changes and pronouciations differs and this is how dialects are born.. So the bone of contention in dt usage is just comparison btw the ika Igbo dialects and its parents source of east!

Igbo difficult to learn... I must be asking you about this cos u as a non Igbo is in a better position to answer dt since most non igbo Pple asked betwn the three major languages which are most difficult to learn always come up with the answer as Igbo. Wether they are doing that with sheer malicious intents and hatred for igbos is their problem but personally to me I believe Igbo is difficult for non igbos simply because of our many words for one thing or one words dt has many different meaning depending on the context is being applied to.. Many non igbos who told me they tried learning Igbo complained mostly of this , another thing they complained about is our man double consonant alphabets that makes proper pronunciation difficult...

Ika Bini... Ika Pple with Bini ancestry... Usually very visible thru their surnames or in some cases language like oza-ngogo pple

Ika people.. Ika people in general wether ika with Igbo ancestry or ika with Bini ancestry...

Bini people...hian! Bini Pple na!

Anyway I made great points in that post which u are finding it hard to swallow... U couldn't find any straw to hold on and push ur blind argument n resorted in asking for dictionary for terms used...anywea now u have it!

If you think a non Igbo is in the best possible to tell you if Igbo is a hard language or not (compared to Bini?). I as an Ika man is not the best person to ask because I have a high understanding of how both languages work. but in my opinion, Bini is a more difficult language than Igbo. I know a thing or two about the Phonetics, phonology, syntax, morphology, semantics and pragmatics. In my quest to have better understanding of Ika language, I found out that Ika language is rooted in two languages, that is Igbo and Bini that's how I did a little research in both languages. A present day Ika man is born to automatically understand more Igbo than Bini, in the course of my little quest, I found too many similarities in many aspects of Bini and Ika languages. I also found too many similarities in Ika Igbo, and even Igbo and Bini. But all aspects of Ika languages lies between the two languages. I have seen some people talk how Ika adopted Ika adopted Bini intonation, inflection and accents. This is very laughable. Intonation, inflection and accents don't change easily. but word meanings can easily be influence that's why no matter how educated a Calabar man is, he speak English with Calabar accents.

And If Ika is Ika people generally, why the differentiation between Ika Bini and Ika people?

Chysler:
Mr. Man stop muddling things up to suit ur every asinine conceptions and speculations... Saying u agree with sometins he said is just another ploy by u with hidden edges to subtly blackmail and coerce him into agreeing with your charade and fiasco submissions from obviously ur isolated cranium

Let me school you, People migrate from a more concentrated and denser areas to other lesser concentrated areas and that is why in history it is always claimed and rigthly that Pple with same name and characteristics of another Pple in a more denser or concenrated area must av come or migrated from that denser area and not the other way round... As people with common ancestry multiply and expand they move from their ancestral lands to other lands carrying the name of the place they r coming from, culture and borrow few things from the aborigines if they met any... East has a more dense and concentration of igbos than in Anioma and ika and therefore it is right to say , the Igbo language, culture, name of towns and so on only came to Anioma and ika because of the migrations from the igbos denser east to these lands and it can never be the other way round... The ubulus find in Anioma must have find Thr way out of east to the present Anioma land and reverse can't be the case....

This your comment is laughable. so because people mostly migrate from more densely populated places to less denser populated places, it's not possible for people to ever migrate from Anioma to the East? For your information, there are many towns in the East that trace their origin to Anioma. there are many cultures existing in the East that has Anioma origin. there are also words and names existing in the East today that have Anioma origin. it's even possible that the Ubulu Uku you used for your instance founded those Ubulu communities in the East. some

Chysler:
As for the origin of Obi which is even my surname from my great great grand father... You just did what everybody expected u to do... Whip up sentiments with no ideological backing to suit ur antagonism.

U claim obis are only used in Anioma influenced part of igboland and it is laughable cos in my part we are not in any way close to any of the river line Igbo or had any stint with Bini or Anioma... But our king is known by the obi title and we answer it as names in its kingship meaning form.

Debating this with you only makes one look stupid ...it is tantamount to debating wether the person posting this is alive or dead... It makes no sense

What is the name of your town and what's the kingship history of your town? I've seen some cases where people that don't have the Obi title affix Obi in their name. Not all parts of Igboland use Igwe. now even those parts that don't use the Igwe title have started adopting it. Yorubas don't have the Oba title but you see how many kings in Yorubaland are called Oba or affix Oba to their name after their Original title same thing I've noticed with the Igbos. Those that are originally Ezes are now bearing Eze of Okpala, Igwe Okafor. Or Eze of Okpala, Obi Okafor and vice versa. Trace back these communities few decades ago, they don't use the title. and till now, they don't use the Obi title but they try to affix the Obi in their name because of the prestige attached to being an Obi.

Chysler:
Ika Pple are igbos... Dt they borrowed certain words from thr close by Edo neighbours is normal and beside history has it dt many Bini Pple flee Bini land during harsh conditions from its monarch thrones... Many of them dt settled in ika land as history has it are the highest conveyors o Bini cultures and languages dt rubbed off on ika Pple, There is no way Bini Pple dt has strong cultural and historical background can migrate to ika land and lost their language and names and become igbonised by a more weaker igbos at the fringe borders with Edo land... It shld have been the other way round because one, Igbo is very hard to learn compare to other languages, two, the close proximity of Bini to ikaland would have ensured majority of what ika Pple speak today to be purely Bini or Edo language with stints of Igbo but today reverse is the case..... This simply showed dt igboland extends clearly across the Niger in a continuum till the borders of Edo state and the miniority Bini descendant Pple in ika land are notin but migrants and asylum seekers from ancient Bini empire... Ikas are aborigines of present ika land and a igboland and dialect continuum...

For the claims by ika igbo pple and being screamed loudest by ika bini Pple dt all ika Pple come from Bini kingdom is notin but laughable becos even in Onitsha dt are igbos still trace their origin from Bini... It doesn't mean dt majority of the aborigines of those lands are Bini Pple no!... The simple explanation why Pple like tracing Thr origin from Bini is becos of the unarguably great influence Bini wielded in its time both within and outside it direct territorial influence...Pple naturally like associating with greatness and exploits such as Bini kingdom had in its time... Another explanation is that yes there are real Bini migrants in those lands outside Bini kingdom, this Pple as said b4 are Pple who flee the harsh conditions in the kingdom or Pple who are banished and seeked asylums in those foreign lands and in most cases they introduced Bini styled monarchy in these their land of migration and subsequently other aborigines of this land join in saying they came from Bini after many years!

What do you mean by a more weaker Igbo? what do you mean by Igbo being to difficult to learn? what do you mean by Ika Edo people and Ika Bini people? what do you mean by Ika people and Bini people? your comment doesn't make any sense at all

Favor99:
Whats up man. Panzy,pazienza its time we settle our differences on this thread.lol
This is a thread were I call out pazienza and teach him how to be a man.
Weve been duking it out on several threads on nairaland. But Im challenging you lol, if you back down,
just address me as Mr. Favor99 for now on. So pazienza lets debate. On any topic, you pick the topic.
Believe me nairalanders, this will be a one-sided shellacking. Any nairalanders or any of panzy's
little friends can join

Very funny. but where's Pazienza?

PetroDolla3:
You can't just help but laugh at the naivety and stvupidity of some nigerians. where did you get the idea from that having the largest GDP translates into being the richest country in Africa? Wealth is measured beyind a mere GDP,huh? Why do you think a country like Norway is adjudged the richest country in the world? Is it that Norway has the largest GDP? The wealth of a nation is measured by the well-being of its citizens, using parameters such as life expectancy, access to potable water, education, health care, food etc etc after all the citizens of a country are its greatest asset, not oil not flashy cars, certainly not gele and lace!

MUMU-in-Chief!

The largest GDP and all sh1t!

Let me break thing down to your level, mor0ns

GDP is the aggregate of the value of goods and services produced within a specific jurisdiction.

So in the case of MUMUgeria, revenues from oil drives your GDP. So with high oil prices, your country’s GDP will naturally rise, even without you guys lifting a finger!

The the reality of your so-called large GDP is junk!

You know how things are with oil revenues in your sh1thole,right? Your sh1thole is one of the world's most corrupt nations,huh? Answer yes sir,dog.

By the time Goodluck Jonathan, his ape-looking wife, IBB take their share of the so called large GDP; OBJ will remove his own; Abdulsalami Abubakar will take his cut; Atiku and Tinubu will take their share, Danjuma will collect his own, even Buhari go collect na; your thieving governors and their officials will take their share, the remainder of your GDP is nothing to write home about!

MUMu by the time the leftover of your so-called large GDP is shared among the rest of you 200 suffering masses, apes like you won’t even see a kobo

Why do you think its difficult to provide water, electricity, health care, jobs etc etc in your sh1thole?

Niggah, cool down. Don't develop HBP. This article is from a Ghanaian site.

Lies. is it that easy to sell ones kidney? how much did he sell his kidney? he would be a multi millionaire if he sold his kidney and wouldn't even need to invest in MMM.

120 years? what nonsense. And they are giving governors that stole billions and trillions were given 5 years? what is wrong with these people?

thuggCheetah:
This is specifically what Nnamdi Kanu was emphasizin on..
But our myopic yoruba skulls still believe he was "preaching hate"

I believe in the restoration of Biafra but Nnamdi Kanu is not the best person to achieve this.

Chysler:
Mr. Man stop giving this guy undue audience... Can't you get it?? He is not an Igbo man not to talk of being from Anambra... All the things he is posting here about Anambra any average internet user can get that online... Hebis one of the malicious elements trolling online seeking the disunity of Ndiigbo... I have never for once hear the kind of rubbish he is posting here ... No sane Igbo man from any of the eastern states will say dis rubbish... Pls stop giving him undue audience to display his evil intents... They fear the unity of Ndiigbo Dts y they are doing all dis.. Believe me, many of them are being sponsored.... Allow him fizzle out like nonentity he is.. They will be watching as their evil swallows them up and snuff every life happiness out of them leaving them totally miserable and better off dead as igbos unite and achieve dt great thing they are afraid of... Just like we sing in songs back then... Anambra and IMO are umunne... Not just them Anambra, IMO, Enugu, Abia, ebonyi, ikwerre, etche, ndoni, ndokwa, ika, ukwuani, enuani, kwale etc..we are all brothers wether we agree or disagree...

Leave the guy let his wickedness consume him as the holy scripture said..."the wickedness of the wicked shall consume the wicked"

Why is the average Igbo man have this fear that someone somewhere is interested in destroying them? isn't this a psychotic trait? I've observed that most Igbos are Skeptics and cynics. why is it so?

martineverest:
are u from delta aor edo?...NO...i am an EDO/DELTA BREED.born in one,schooled in the other.

Edo state has more languages than delta.......a village in edo has more potential to speak more than one language than those in delta..my mother is ishan,they have huge variety of ishan.its pidgin that bound every edo tribes together......in delta,its only 'edo speaking' part ,urhobo,that speak full pidgin.....the ijaw and itshekiri speak their languages first,while the aniomas speak ibos first and pidgin far less....i was in edo 2 weeks ago,i could count the number of ppl that spoke their languagesothers rocked pidgin.....

Point of correction, Anioma doesn't speak Igbo. Even all Enuani don't speak the same. We speak pidgin in Anioma because we don't have a central form of speaking. likewise other parts of Delta. When an Ika and an Enuani meet, they don't speak Igbo, what we speak is pidgin because nobody wants to speak in the other's language. and you're wrong.

martineverest:
my guy,EDO state is number one pidgin state in nigeria...no one,not even delta is close to edo.........every nooks and cranny of edo speak pidgin....the edo north u talked about speak more pidgin than lagos....urobosare the only ppl that compete with edos...ijaws and itshekiris are close,but they speak their native tongues first...aniomas are not even counted in delta...edo north has the one of the highest concentration of pidgin in naija

Your first point shows you don't know what you are talking about

unstableaswater:
Stop deceiving yourself, there is an igbo part of delta. Urhobo part, ijaw part and Itsekiri part.

The problem we have in this country is wen people deliberately try to be dumb.

Chukwuma Kaduna Nzeogwua a delta man led a coup, till this day it is still referred to as the Igbo Coup.

Subsequently Tens of thousands of Igbo people were attacked and murdered in the North, y did they not focus the repercaution on other delta and edo tribe only, y igbos had to die for wat a Delta man did?

That Coup was the only coup given a tribe in the history of Nigeria.

Please, don't derail this beautiful thread. thanks.
I can reply you but this is not the right thread for that. this is a thread about pidgin English and all parts Delta speak pidgin English far better than any SE state. so what's your headache. please don't mention me again

Afam4eva:
Are you saying no part of Delta state speaks Igbo or anything like Igbo

I'm not here to argue with you. I don't know what Igbo or not Igbo has got to do with my comment. You're here to derail this thread once again because your Igbo brothers will troop in here and start their land grabbing activities. For your information, the so called Igbos you're talking about don't have anything in common with your SE. that's in terms of attitude and character. they're simply Deltans and behave just like every other Deltans.

Ekinematics:
It's a funny list. Take PH to number 1, because no city in Naija has more pidgin English speakers than PH. Warri just have their own accent that's all. Pidgin speakers in PH as compared 2 Warri is like 3:1.

who's talking about number of speakers? they're talking about percentage of speakers and fluency

Afam4eva:
The Igbo speaking parts nko?

which Igbo speaking part? Seems you don't know anything about Delta. Deltans were not put in one state by mistake. study our history and our culture and you'll know there's only a slight similarities.

ritababe:
so for your mind na only Benin they yarn pidgin for Edo? my friend go and do your research, we speak pidgin everywhere in Edo.

The length and breadth of Edo and Delta Speak good pidgin though some places speak better pidgin than others. but I think there are some places at the Northern part of Edo that might not be so good in Pidgin but all the part of Delta flow good in pidgin including the rural parts.

sotall:
From your list, if Warri should get number one spot for pidgin English in Nigeria, I don't see any reason Benin is not in number two.

All criteria that placed warri in number one, automatically places Benin in number two

You're very right. Those guys in Edo flow almost as good as the guys in Delta. but I'm sure the Op has a reason for putting them at number 3

Idydarling:
deviating from the Tiv story to another story about the killing and ur relationship with the daily times man is ludicrous, doesn't show any continuation in this ur story at all.. mtchwww

obviously a mix up from the blog. learn to criticize rightly. I only read the part talking about Tor Tiv and I ignored the rest

If you both sucked each other, it's pointless using condom

Chysler:
Sorry I retake that post, I just researched, you are correct, he us from onicha olona... I posted both same time... I came to my wrong conclusion base on the documentary the man was saying Igbo officers of Nigeria military stretching from across the Niger to igbanke in midwest WHERE HE AND SOME OF HIS COLLEAGUES ARE FROM HAD TO BACK THEIR BROTHERS FROM THE EAST... Dts how I came to that wrong Hasty conclusion but now I realise he wasn't pointing about igbanke in particular but igbo Midwest in general...

Yes. HASTY SPECULATIONS. Everything about the Igbos is hasty speculation. History to the Igbos is about speculations, postulations and theorems. Propapanga, lies, fabrications and concoctions. Facts means nothing to you guys.

Chysler:
Late colonel NWAWO from igbanke in present day Edo state in the civil war documentary after the war said dt he was in Britain undergoing military training when the war broke out and had to be summoned back to Nigeria, on his arrival he was told to take soldiers and fight against Biafra but he refused asking them how can he fight his Brothers (igbos), he was imprisoned but was later released by Biafra soldiers wen they entered Benin and he fought on the side of Biafra. In the clip he maintained dt the Igbanke Pple are a sub or a dialect of Igbo Pple and therefore Igbo... Am proud of this man, He is one of the silent Hero's of Biafra!God rest his soul

Nwawo is not from Edo neither is he an Ika man. Even after you were corrected in the other thread, being an Igbo man, you still went ahead and broadcast your lies. Igbos tell lie not because they don't know is lie, but because the derive a joy in lies and self deception. i

Truthislife:
Ika's are not Igbos, how stupid that sounds. They were colonized by the binis not Igbos for hundreds of years yet they still speak Igboid dialect despite their closeness to bini. You people should stop all these. All groups under the Igoid cluster and even beyond are Igbo. Igbos communities/groups cover the entire South Eastern Nigeria, Delta north, majority of Rivers State, some pockets in Bayelsa, Cross River, Akwa Ibom. Benue and Kogi states

Ikas were never colonized. Ika has been existing before Bini became an empire and all the names and founders are Edoid. please stop saying what you don't know.

B2mario:
Because you don't have fact to back up your argument that's why you've resorted to insult. Pls stopping dividing Igboland before the gods of our ancestors strike you with heavy thunder.

See who's talking about insults. Who started the insults? And who share same ancestors with you? you're insane. shameless people forcing themselves on others. I've never seen a people so shameless like you guys.

when you're in bed with a girl, you don't tell her let's make love. You start by making advance. if she sees what you're doing and doesn't object, that's consent. if she says no or try to stop you, that's when you try to talk to her. this is the normal process in this part of the world. We are not in California or London.

B2mario:
You are not well, how do we igbonise everyhing or are you not the one trying to edonise our communities west of Niger because Biafran proponents refused to include Edo in the map. We are not one and do not share same values, you claimed that all the names I mentioned also exist in Edo. Good and fine, list the communities where we can find them and also say the meanings.

Any Edo Ika is a stranger to Ika, how can Ika that is very close to Edo dropped Edo language and culture only to adopte a language similar to that of Owerri faraway east of the Niger.

Oga pls drop this argument, you are already a loser.

Talking with you is a waste of time. here another nutcase

B2mario:
But this Ika is almost the same as Owerri dialect . 'puha' and 'ri' are common verbs used in Owerri which mean the same thing in the two languages .

They also have a clan called Mbiri, same in Owerri [mbiri]. The emuhu in Ika is it not the same thing as Umuhu scattered allover communities in SE.

people should source for their ancestry based on ancient community names not on imaginary folklores.

Mbiri is found in Ika and Owerri
Owerri is also found in ika
Igbodo is found in Ika and Etche
Obibi is found in Etche, Ngor okpala, and Orlu
Emuhu same as Umuhu is found in Ibeku Ndume, Oboro, Orlu and Ngwa.
there is Owa in Ika and Orlu(Umu Owa)
Aboh is found in Ndokwa, Mbaise, Orlu etc
Onicha communities scattered allover Igboland starting from Ika to Ebonyi, from Etche to Nsukka.

So let's try and make our ancestral history to be more logical by connecting ancient communities with same name not these imaginary forktales of how a bini prince or warrior with Igbo name left bini and found a community with Igbo name similar to other Igbo community names not a bini name. Meaning that before the imaginary prince or warrior settled in those igbo communities there must had been Igbos who were living in these lands who must have come from Owerri, Isu, Ibeku, Nri, Etche, Ishiagu, Asaba, Ogwashi, Igbo-uzo etc and due to expansion of Benin kingdom have little bini influence in their cultures.

How can people who we claim to have migrated from bini and reside in a place close to bini, traded with bini, intermarried with them since time immemorial dropped bini language and culture and take a language similar to Owerri language in faraway eastern heartland? Hmmmm, we need check our brains thoroughly.

The problem with you guys is you Igbonise everything. You see everything from Igbo perspective. You do not care what people's name or place name means in another people's language and culture. Igbos that do not know their history can confidently tell someone that his history is fake? Most of those names you listed also exist in Edo State. same pronunciation with the Edo but different pronunciation with the ones in the East. So the meaning, history and pronunciation doesn't matter? You base everything on similarity in spellings? SMH

Abagworo:
I will pick out all the central Igbo in the Ika video while you pick out the ones in Abiriba video.

Ok. I've been busy and haven't come online since. Will reply later.

Abagworo:
I think the Igbo tag as used by you means being part of Igbo ethnic identity and not language based. Ika is not part of Igbo ethnic group but Ika language is Igbo language.

Ika as used here was simplified towards central Igbo for every Ika to comprehend meaning if you simplify tilting towards Edo then most Ikas would be lost. This further cements the fact that Ika language is Igbo. Abiriba language too is Igbo because just like Ika they dilute their dialect towards central Igbo instead of Ibibio.

The tones of the 3 videos and velocity of speech in each video shows a closer similarity between central Igbo and Ika than Abiriba. Moreover Ika greeted "Daru" while Abiriba greeted "Ahi" and central Igbo is "Dalu".

New yam festival in Ika is "Iwa gi" in Abiriba "Ipapusa ufie" in central Igbo "Iwa ji".

NB I used Abiriba because it's located at eastern flank of Igbo language area just like Ika at Western flank and both have influence of Ibibio and Edo respectively.

In that short Abiriba video, I can pick more than 20 typical Igbo sentences and expression that don't exist in Ika. I find this argument funny. Ika is not anyway as close to Central Igbo as Abiriba.

There are many greetings in Ika and Daru ni is one of them. there are tons and tons of opening greetings in Ika land. Ishegwari ni is also used and we share that with Urhobo and and it some times depends on the dialect. Like I told you, that video is in the Otolokpo dialect which is at the Eastern axis of Ika.