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You can't be calling yourself a king today that kingdoms no longer exist due to colonisation if you were not a king prior to colonisation.

It is very simple, if you are a true king, then show me the precolonial country which your throne was ruling over. So stop confusing everything, tribal leaders are not kings, most of you in Nigeria confuse the concept of tribal leader with that of king. The Oba is a King, his precolonial country had several ethnicities in it. Those are his people, sentiments you have today won't change historical facts.

Show me your precolonial country below to prove your "king" is a true King.👇🏿

You are the one who confuses several things and you being from Edo-state doesn't make you knowledgeable. It takes intellectual efforts to be knowledgeable.

For your information, no precolonial country within the space called Nigeria still exists today, that is why the term "precolonial" is being used, it means "prior to colonisation".

Nigerian monarchs whom weren't created by the Nigerian government or the British are standing today as representation of their precolonial countries and in the case of the Oba of Benin, that means the entirety of precolonial Benin Kingdom which includes the entirety of Edo-state and beyond.

Right now, it is the Nigerian government which rules in Nigeria, not the monarchs whose precolonial countries were colonised by the British.

People like you don't understand the concept of colonisation nor do you understand the meaning of precolonial era or post colonial era. As I said earlier, the Oba of Benin is not a tribal leader, he has several ethnicities under him. And that information, has nothing to do with what you perceived Benin kingdom to be today, that information is a historical fact which you can't erase because of your sentiments of today. All the groups you mentioned were part of the country ruled by Oba Ovonramwen, and that is what matters. Today it is the Nigerian government (created by the British) which rules. All the monarchs within the space which belonged to precolonial Benin were mere local representations of the Oba of Benin in the precolonial era, either you like it or not, this is fact. They can't start claiming to be kings after the British have colonised us and replaced our indigenous style of government by a corrupt nonsense which is now ruling instead of precolonial monarchs. If you were not a king before the kingdoms were destroyed by the British, what makes you a king after the kingdoms have been destroyed ? You are just a poser, an opportunist, a pretender claiming a position which never belonged to you.

Once again, history is what we go by, not proclamations of the alien British government nor the Nigerian imported government and by history, here is a map of Africa from 1747 (drawn by Emanuel Bowen)👇🏿 (you guys are way too emotional and don't care so much for logic, also stop making unverifiable claims of your origin, this is a faceless forum, I have no way to verify your probably false claims)

Amayabor1:
Okay. I think you are confusing some things and I will like to explain better;

1. I am a full born ans brought up indigene of Edo state. There is nothing you want to enlighten me about
2. Benin kingdom was a precolonial country. Emphasis on the "was".
3. Nobody called the Oba of Benin a tribal leader. You are the one making up these terms
4. In present day Edo state, Nigeria, the Oba of Benin doesn't have different ethnicities under him. He is only the king over the benin people. The benin people is one ethnic group. The Oba of Benin doesn't rule over the esans, the auchi people, the afemai people, the etsako people and other ethnic groups in Edo state.

Fake news, that "inauguration" took plzce before the Oba put tinubu's daughter in her place.
That inauguration is therefore null and void.
On our land you have to respect our culture, either you are the daughter of the president or of the pope.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uVZbmUPsPmU?si=0vo0OtYj0UMZPYEN

These guys seem to have psychiatric problems, the way they are obsessed with my people is really sickening.

Why do you keep making things up ? Which letter did the British write to the Oba was in yoruba ?

What is wrong with you ?

Why are you so obsessed with making claims about Benin city ?
Don't you guys have your own cities and your own past ?

The fact you believe you know our past better than us is extremely strange.

Look I don't have time to educate you on my people's history. Just focus on your own people and leave my people alone.

Don't you find it strange how you keep harassing us Edo people by making strange claims ?

lawani:
Even the letter that the British wrote to the Oba was written in Yoruba. There were many languages in the empire but the language of Benin city was Yoruba unlike today. If you believe any other thing you are believing lies

This is one problem with you guys, you confuse your beliefs with reality. All you just spewed here is backed by nothing but hot air.
Benin empire was multilingual. The language of the capital is the language of the Oba himself and it is called Edo.

You yoruba have some obsession with my people and you dream day and night that we were yoruba.

Also you fail to understand that in the period you are talking about, there was no such thing as yoruba. Your yoruba language of today is derived from many local languages of the precolonial era and also from slave returnee language. The identity "yoruba" is a new thing, you can't take a period in which it didn't exist and start examining things of that period with the perspective of today in which the yoruba identity exists.

If you're not from oyo, then your ancestors from 200 years ago didn't identify as yoruba and would have dealt with you if you called them yoruba. You can chose your identity, not that of your ancestors.

lawani:
Benin empire was a Yoruba empire and not Edoid. The capital and the largest cities were Yoruba speaking. Benin, Akure and Warri spoke the same language. Edo speaking started in Benin when the Edo speakers entered the city after the decline of the empire.. Benin today is still surrounded by Yoruba speaking communities and lands. History should be stated correctly. Benin was a Yoruba State pure and simple not different from the other Yoruba states of west Africa. The present Benin Kingdom is now Edoid

It's funny how you guys don't realise that you go way too far in your delusions, now you think you are in a position to tell me if I'm Edo or not ?

When will your madness stop ?
You've claimed my monarchs title, my monarchs origine, my people's artefacts, my people's culture altogether, and now your "iyaloja" wants to come and claim my people's markets as well, and you go further to give yourself the "authority" to tell me I'm not from my own people 🤡

Me merely proving my point without insults while responding to a yoruba who was insulting me is what you call hate 🤡

You are hurt by facts but facts are facts and you must accept reality, stop deluding yourself.

At some point you guys will have to realise that your obsession with my people is not healthy ! You have totally forgotten your own heritage while trying to fight for my rightful heritage.

You guys will never be authentic so long you keep trying to copy my culture, no matter how many times you claim you are the original. It's clownish to just go on copying other people and not even acknowledge the people you are copying, better yet, you could just be yourselves and be proud of your own true culture and stop dragging mine with me.

Putinofrussia:
lol
I am sure you are not Benin but one of the usual hateful culprits.

History is not a story, it's a set of claims which all are attached to a proof (in the form of eyewitnesses written documents).

Now that lecture was for free, perhaps you can now see the difference between fairytale/myth and history.

This guy believes a revisionism book becomes authentic if it is attached to a famous university 😂 Boy who do you think you are dealing with ? I'm not a simpleton.

It's as if I were speaking to cows, I already told you that history is not studied in contemporary books which are nothing but revisionism.

History is studying in eyewitness written documents, that is what I presented to you guys while you, of course, brought up a contemporary book written by people who never witnessed the stories they talk about, actually they talk about things which supposedly happened thousands of years before their birth 🤡

Can you even tell me what happened in my area just one week ago ?

Education and logic is what you guys lack.

Putinofrussia:
lol
I am sure you are not Benin but of the usual hateful culprits.
There are lots of authentic historical books I can advise you to go and read but go read this first:
Cambridge University Press & Assessment
https://www.cambridge.org
The Origins of the Benin Kingship in the Works of Jacob Egharevba
by S Eisenhofer


To make it easier for you,read those historical screenshots. ...

https://www.nairaland.com/4483798/chiefdom-ogiso-kingdom-bini-both

But again, you are a consumer of intellectual content, I am a creator of intellectual content, we are not at the same level, so it is rather strange that you believe you can lecture me, I'm at the level or above the level of those you love to quote without thinking for yourself.

These guys always try to pretend to know what they don't know.

@Ofemannnu, you're speaking to an educated man. I've studied this stuff for more than 10 years, your tricks and your way of pretending to be knowledgeable don't work on me.

As I was saying. The title for the emperor of Benin is "Oba" and that title was copied by the yoruba during the colonial era.

I'm not saying this as a way to vex or to attack you and your yoruba people or to aggrandise my people, I'm saying it because it is the truth. I hate when people copy you and then claim you are the actual copy and they are the original.

Mr man, yoruba is a new thing in the region, in the years 1700's there was no such thing as yoruba, instead we had a giant Benin empire !
Yoruba came to being with the creation of oyo which was also called yarr.iba and it is that yarri.ba which was turned into yoruba, and it's meaning has been transformed over the years to include non oyo people and fairytales like oduduwa have been created to give a common origin to the different non related "yorubas".

So mr man, a "pikkin" can't father an old man, Benin empire can therefore not originate from much younger Ife which by the way never was an empire. Ife was a small settlement until 1912 when the British started building it up.

1. History is not about what is "accepted", it is about what is fact. So the fact you yoruba "accept" your yorubacebtric beliefs doesn't mean anything to us Edo people.

2. You managed to talk about books without ever posting a link to such books nor even mentioning dates. Also for your information history is not studied in books but in documents written by eyewitness whom mostly didn't write books but rather wrote notes.

3. I didn't need to wait for any translation since I speak french and many of the precolonial visitors to our region spoke french (yeah, it wasn't just Portuguese, there were people from many European nations including Spain, Holland, England and France) who had been visiting our region right from the 1400's.

4. You showed your actual lack of historical knowledge the moment you started talking about ogiso which is a fairytale not different from that of oduduwa, your ignorance made you confuse fairytale with history, typical.

Now again, among the precolonial documents which show the precolonial reality, we have precolonial maps like that of Emanuel Bowen from 1747 which shows that Benin was larger than Egypt in that year, whereas Ife and oyo didn't exist as of yet.

Emanuel Bowen, map of Africa, 1747
Rare Old Map of Africa, 1747 by Emanuel Bowen - Pre-Colonial, Handcolo – The Unique Maps Co. https://share.google/TAYBtfNF8VsRUvJMS
👇🏿

Ofemannnu:
You are a clown that talks without authentic historical evidence.
There are facts widely accepted around the globe. Yoruba colonized and civilized EDO.

The first people to document Edo history in books and journals are the Portuguese. Thank God many of these books have been translated to English. The records are available to showcase truth as told by Edo Chiefs and Bini Kings to the Portuguese traders.

Not only is Oba of Bini a Yoruba, even the Ogisos were auxiliaries of Ife.

Yorubas should be asserting their donations and civilization of Edo with its two dynasties instead of defending just the Oba dyansty. The Oba and the Ogiso, Yoruba own both but I don't support this overreaching attitude of Mrs Folashade Ojo.

There's something wrong with you guys in the south west.
You don't believe in democracy, you love corruption so long it serves you. What office exactly is "daughter of president" ? Is that a constitutional office ?
Did you vote in the daughter of the president?
For your information the Benin throne is older than Nigeria and the British had to fight against it and take it over in order to create Nigeria. The Oba of Benin was one of the 5 or six monarchs who signed nigeria into existence and defended Africa against colonialism before that.

Why is everything always different with you guys in the southwest ? Why can't you live your life and let others live ? Instead you try and impose yourself and when you are rejected you start insulting.

There is no such thing as iyaloja of Nigeria.
Also for your info, only the first son of the Oba can take over from him and that can only happen when the Oba joins his ancestors 😎
Learn other people's cultures and respect it, stop trying to impose your culture upon others.

Stop making stupid threats. We will not bow to your corruption. We will not bend our culture to entertain you.

ChiefOloye:
It must dey, We are talking about the daughter of a President wanting to establish an office in a retome state , you saying one king is objecting, the yeye king wan risk losing his unconstitutional throne, you dey whine.....

Google doesn't have answers to everything, so stop thinking google is always right. What you see on Google is only what someone who might have been very ignorant of the topic wrote down.

I know the topic quite well, and I'm telling you my ancestral country is called Benin, not "Bini" and our people are called Edo or Benins. A neighbouring country copied our name, none of you call that country "Bini republic" but somehow you love to call the original Benin by "Bini". How is that fair ?

Mindlog:
It is also Bini, google search it.

Your statement which precedes your question is inaccurate, these matters may not be very important to you, but they are to me and I don't want confusion about them to multiply.

1. Benin kingdom is a precolonial country whose capital is Benin city.
2. On precolonial maps you can see the size of Benin kingdom, it was not smaller than Nigeria.
3. I have to stress these things because most Nigerians do not know these facts. Most Nigerians confuse a king and a tribal leader.
The Oba of Benin is not a tribal leader, he's a true king with many ethnicities under him.
Just like the king of England has many ethnicities under him.

Many of you seem to hate being corrected and would rather remain in ignorance, but I shine the light of knowledge whenever I have time. The Oba wasn't talking about only Benin city contrary to what you stated, he was talking about Benin Kingdom.

Correcting someone is not an insult, it is actually a gift I offer that person, a gift of knowledge on a subject I know very well.

Amayabor1:
Your comment is neither here nor there.
Benin-city is the capital of present day Edo state (not benin kingdom) and the Oba of Benin is the paramount ruler of the state whose kingdom covers not just Benin-city, but other Benin towns and villages.

And how does this your comment relate to what is being discussed?

Benin city is only the capital of Benin kingdom, not the kingdom itself, but many Nigerians don't know this.

Amayabor1:
You are actually slow. Let Tinubu's daughter call herself the Iyaloja of New York, it doesn't concern Benin people. Anybody can call him or herself anything. Her Iyaloja stops at lagos. She has no influence over any other markets outside Lagos.

What the Oba of Benin told her is that one person can't be the iyeki of the whole markets in Benin city (indirectly telling her that she can't be an Iyaloja of the whole markets in Nigeria since Iyaloja is a yoruba word. Who even gave her that title or that appointment?).

So, you guys can keep calling her whatever name she likes or wants to hear in lagos. No wahala. But in Edo state, like in every other states in Nigeria except lagos, no one recognizes her.

She gave herself that title in her social media and she presented herself as iyaloja general to the palace in the video.
Stop telling lies.

Tareq1105:
It's the imagination of the Press during the 2023 election campaign. She never gave herself such title but the Press did as a way of demarketing her father.

It's Benin, not Bini.

Mindlog:
You are the one, low in understanding.

The Oba said the title, iyeki general does not exist in Bini culture, that each market has their own iyeki, not under another iyeki.

The Oba was talking about Benin, and he said there is no such thing as iyaloja general in Benin culture. If that exists elsewhere, then let it exist elsewhere, it just doesn't exist in Benin. In Benin we have iyeki and no iyeki general neither.

LagosOrigin:
Stop twisting what the oba said just because you want to defend the monumental embarrassment that tinubu daughter suffered at the palace .

The Oba said each market in benin has its own leader and they don't interfere in each other business . He also went on to say there is Nothing like Iyaloja general or Iyeki general. Meaning, tinubu daughter's title is inconsequential and alien to the benin traditional.

It's not recognized

There's no such thing as "iyaloja general of Nigeria". Tinubu need's to tell his daughter to stop playing.
You give yourself a non existent title because your father is president?
Tinubu need's to caution his daughter and stop this madness.

It's Benin.
I think only southwestern monarchs would sacrifice their traditions to satisfy tinubu's daughter.

bjdon:
This is the difference between Bini and other places. No other monarch would dare speak to Tinubu's daughter like that

Our name is "Benin" , Benin republic copied our name, so please stop calling us "Bini" while you call Benin republic with our name.

illicit:
She is the iyaloja of the 36 states in Nigeria and the FCT

And Togo, Benin, Bini, Cuba, Oyotunji California...

Or perhaps the name is a shared name between both people ?
Why always assume it belongs to your people ?

After all the culture copying your people have done, you still believe you own everything?

Kukutente23:
Seems you're Edo with Yoruba name

Actually, the Oba is the only real Oba.
The title "Oba" belongs to him, just like the title "king" belongs to the monarch of England.
The strange thing in Nigeria is that some people (yoruba) would copy you and then they will swear that they are the original and you are the copy 😂

What is the title of the Ife monarch: Oni
What is the title of the oyo monarch: Alafin
What is the title of the french monarch: Roi.
What is the title if the Russian monarch: Tsar.
What is the title of the British monarch: king
What is the title of the Benin monarch: Oba.

The yarriba copied the title of the Benin monarch.

Okhuadams:
The Oba of all Obas has spoken

The title "Oba" belongs to only one crown in this world, and it is the crown of Benin.
The yoruba monarchs copied it in the colonial era as a way to aggrandise their status and look like peers with the Oba of Benin. Yoruba like to copy culture, I don't blame them for that, but where I blame them is that they always claim to be the original and that the people they copied are the actual copiers because "oduduwa"...😅
Just for your sanity, I shall inform you that oduduwa never existed, it's just a made up story. Ife is not an old kingdom, it's younger than Lagos and Jebu which were both under Benin long before Ife even started to exist.

The British fought Benin, not Ife.
The bight was named after Benin and so was Benin republic, nothing was named after Ife !
The kingdom with the biggest throve of artefacts in Nigeria is Benin, not Ife !

Benin doesn't copy, we remain authentic, yoruba however, they create yoruba culture on the go, through copying of other cultures including Ashanti and Benin.
Look at the newly made crown your Oni keeps wearing, did you notice that it look like the crown of the only real Oba in this world ?

TempleHouse:
This Oba of Benin should be reminded that the appelate "OBA" is derived from Ile-Ife in Yoruba land.

He should not allow Yoruba people to invoke the spirit of Oduduwa to take his title from him.

He should thread with caution 🔥

Orunmila is still trying to pacify the god for him when he married the same twins which is abomination in Yoruba land.

What your head fails to comprehend is that the Ezama of Benin and the Oba of Benin are not the same person.
Benin is not yoruba, the emperor of Benin has only one title (like all real kings do) and it is "Oba". Ezama is an other title which the Oba gives to one of his subjects.
The title Oba is to Benin what Alafin is to oyo and what oni is to Ife and what Roi is to France and what Tsar is to Russia and what King is to england. What confuses most yoruba is that their monarchs love to copy other people's cultures. Your yoruba monarchs copied the title of the Oba into their name appellations in the colonial era and since then you guys have been very confused. Most of you don't even know the original titles of your monarchs and just call them with the title if the Benin monarch "Oba". These are the reasons yoruba monarchs have several titles, real genuine kings have only one title.

Yoruba talk about Benin everyday but still don't realise Benin city is not Benin kingdom !
Benin city is only the capital of Benin kingdom (the city within the kingdom in which the ruler lives).

Samogloby:
If not you are senseless, you can see from the video that the two Obas are not fighting for supremacy but sift to accommodate the oba of Benin! The two Obas are reverend and respected in the south

Oni people are responsible for distortions on both Benin and Oyo histories in order to carve a place for Ife which would otherwise be totally irrelevant.
That oduduwa fairytale was just a way to take the glory of Benin and that of oyo and place it on the shoulders of Ife which has nothing of its own. This is a different kind of robbery. Culture robbery.

aswani:
I beg your pardon as I misread your post. You think the people that released the video and commenting are Ooni people.

I think they are Obidients myself but each to their own.

It is probably both.

aswani:
I beg your pardon as to.isread your post. You think the people that released the video and commenting are Ooni people.

I think they are Obidients myself but each to their own.

Yes I do.
What in my sentence made you think I confused them as the same person ?
From my perspective, your comment is very strange.

aswani:
You realise Ooni and Aláàfin are not one and the same, right?