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[quote author=bashy_demy link=topic=817518.msg9843567#msg9843567 date=1324996917]Sorry madam you have already raise those verse and they have been refuted so what else do you want?[/quote]Refuted?!!!!!!!!!! My friend these verses are in the QURAN and HADITH! Dont blaspheme oh! The consequence is death!

[quote author=bashy_demy link=topic=821784.msg9843564#msg9843564 date=1324996887]Hey how many are guys going to come up with this same old verses that has been refuted. wake up[/quote] Tell that to Bin Laden and Boko Haram. Is it not in the Quran? Is it not being applied? Is it not happening? Dont make me draw up a list of the implementation of these verses in the last ONE MONTH ALONE

[quote author=bashy_demy link=topic=821784.msg9843511#msg9843511 date=1324996302]Sorry Madam when a similar attack hit a mosque in Sapele we summon courage and live with it and understand the situation of the country and never blame any religion for the act abi where were u then[/quote]When the bomb occurred, who said "IN JESUS NAME WE BOMBED THE MOSQUE" So any incident that happens to you its automatically Christians abi?  Believe me if Warri boys wanted you guys out of Warri, it would have happened in a day and I am sure that they will not mince words about it. But that begs the question, will it be done IN JESUS' NAME? No dude. It would be some disgruntled elements angry at happening around the country and believe me CAN will not mince words to condemn that in its entirety. How long have Christian suffered in the North because of this madness. Infact in 2009 in jigawa a policeman shot dead a hawker over the later resisting arrest, the result 10 churches were burnt! Another one, eclipse of the moon in Maiduguri makes muslim youths go berserk and  Churches burnt! see herehttp://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/1110791.stm

Whats worse the Mosque bombing in Sapele was an internal affair between the Moslem themselves. See here http://www.sunnewsonline.com/webpages/news/national/2011/dec/11/national-11-12-2011-002.html and herehttp://www.businessweek.com/news/2011-12-11/explosion-in-southern-nigerian-city-of-sapele-injures-two-people.html

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Its better the title of this thread be;

Islamic Practices copied from the Bible that Christians Know and Laugh About!

With the help of your brothers Boko Haram taking 40 lives. I would rather be a pagan 100 times over than follow a religion that motivates people to murder calling Gods name!

GEj IS AN EXTREMELY POOR PUBLIC SPEAKER!!!!!

He seem to be an indecisive man. How in the world would you say the bombing is something we have to live with?!  This man is embarrassing!

If I were him, since the October 1 goof, I would refrain from making off the cuff comments on sensitive national issues and wait for a written speech.

I am afraid his meek demeanor, inappropriate choice of words, and clueless disposition will strengthen the Boko Haram people and severely weaken support for his administration. of course not to talk of the political hawks waiting in the side lines to take advantage of his declining popularity

I read somewhere an analysis on the net that the Boko boys know that they cannot fight the Government successfully (no terrorist has ever toppled a government) so their aim is to ignite a sectarian war in Nigeria.

From the opinions I am getting in the streets, one more blast and things will be tough, really tough. One way to save the situation is if Northern Muslim leaders come out strong in the next few days and condemn in strong terms this madness and work with the Government to get to the root of this, I fear for the consequences. This is no Iraq or Pakistan where innocent people will die and everything is normal. Nigerian are fast developing deaf ears to turning the other cheek.

However, having said that, any reaction from Christians will be playing into the hands of these guys. Restraint is key. this is not the time to lose our heads but to hold those who should handle it to account and make sure the victims get justice. Any reprisal action will most likely hurt innocent people.

SO PLEASE, NO REPRISALS. It will serve no use.

Sundayademola:
sgs II, the best phone my foot
park well bro and search.

Dude, I felt that way till I bought the Galaxy SII. Goodness there is no phone in the market like it. I have used the apple and Sony Ericsson so i know what I am talking about. The bottom line though is that perception plays a part in the choice of phones. Someone may disagree.

LagosShia:
Numbers 31:17-18
Now kill all the boys (in Midian). And kill every woman who has slept with a man, 18but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.

Judges 21:10-12
10So the assembly sent twelve thousand fighting men with instructions to go to Jabesh Gilead and put to the sword those living there, including the women and children. 11“This is what you are to do,” they said. “Kill every male and every woman who is not a virgin.” 12They found among the people living in Jabesh Gilead four hundred young women who had never slept with a man, and they took them to the camp at Shiloh in Canaan.

1 Samuel 6:19
And he smote the men of Bethshemesh, because they had looked into the ark of the LORD, even he smote of the people fifty thousand and threescore and ten men: [/b]and the people lamented, because the LORD had smitten many of the people with a great slaughter.

[b]Luke 19:27
"But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me."

Luke 12:49
"I have come to bring fire on the earth, and how I wish it were already kindled!

Matthew 10:34
"Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword."

2 Peter 2:12
"These false teachers are like unthinking animals, creatures of instinct, born to be caught and destroyed. They scoff at things they do not understand, and like animals, they will be destroyed."

John 2:15
[Jesus] made a whip out of cords, and drove all from the temple area, both sheep and cattle; he scattered the coins of the money changers and overturned their tables.

Psalms 137:8-9
O Babylon, you will be destroyed. Happy is the one who pays you back for what you have done to us.Happy is the one who takes your babies and smashes them against the rocks!

Psalms 139:19-22:
"Surely thou wilt slay the wicked, O God: Depart from me therefore, ye bloodthirsty men. For they speak against thee wickedly, And thine enemies take (thy name) in vain. Do not I hate them, O Jehovah, that hate thee? And am not I grieved with those that rise up against thee? I hate them with perfect hatred: They are become mine enemies."

Matthew 10:34
"Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword."

Luke 22:36,38
[Jesus] said to them, "But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don't have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one, " The disciples said, "See, Lord, here are two swords."  "That is enough," he replied.

Matthew 10:35
35 For I have come to turn   “‘a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law—

Luke 12:50-53
50 But I have a baptsm to undergo, and what constraint I am under until it is completed! 51 Do you think I came to bring peace on earth? No, I tell you, but division. 52 From now on there will be five in one family divided against each other, three against two and two against three. 53 They will be divided, father against son and son against father, mother against daughter and daughter against mother, mother-in-law against daughter-in-law and daughter-in-law against mother-in-law.”

For the Old testament, it showed the Law as was applied before the coming of Christ - from the days of Adam and Eve to the time of Christ. It showed where the people at that time was coming from. The bible intended to show it that way. With the coming of Christ, the OT was fulfilled and a standard of beheivour and worship was established. Stating how the previous laws and behievours were (stoning to death, animal sacrifices, wars and killings) only makes the Christian aware of the fundamental changes that the coming Christ brought about. Christ demonstrated this so many times (eg john 7:53-8:11). If it were not so, Christians would have been practising the laws of Moses (an eye for an eye, sacrifices etc) but Christ show it was not necessary as some of these laws were age specific. But this not in a way to say that the OT  was irrelevant, No.  (Matt. 5:17).
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(Galatians 3:23-25 NIV) {23} Before this faith came, we were held prisoners by the law, locked up until faith should be revealed. {24} So the law was put in charge to lead us to Christ that we might be justified by faith. {25} Now that faith has come, we are no longer under the supervision of the law.

Luke 19:27
"But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me."

Please when reading the Bible read the whole verse to get a perspective. Please read well about the parable of the Master and his minions from Luke 19: 1-27 and understand the context of the story. Jesus uses parables to put across his messages. these are powerful means of communication. messages delivered like that are seldom forgotten else, pray tell, did Jesus order someone dead? Do Christians kill those who refuse to accept Jesus as Lord and Saviour. Your singling out quotations to make claims aint nice man. I would rather judge a religion by the beheivour of its adherents.

Luke 12:49
"I have come to bring fire on the earth, and how I wish it were already kindled!

Matthew 10:34
"Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword."
Luke 22:36,38
[Jesus] said to them, "But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don't have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one, " The disciples said, "See, Lord, here are two swords."  "That is enough," he replied.

Matthew 10:35
35 For I have come to turn   “‘a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law—

Luke 12:50-53
50 But I have a baptsm to undergo, and what constraint I am under until it is completed! 51 Do you think I came to bring peace on earth? No, I tell you, but division. 52 From now on there will be five in one family divided against each other, three against two and two against three. 53 They will be divided, father against son and son against father, mother against daughter and daughter against mother, mother-in-law against daughter-in-law and daughter-in-law against mother-in-law.”

One thing I notice you do, LagoShia, is that you select verses without looking at the context within which it was made. I sat on my computer deciding to go through and respond to your write up and I came to the conclusion that its either you delibrated left out the context within which these quotations were taken or lifted the passage from some website eager to publish "revelations" to the gullible public. For the reader just google the chapter quoted in the above right up to read the context and judge for yourselves. eg Read Luke 12 to understand the context of the above.


I will just dwell on the quote below in response to some above

Luke 12:41
41 Then Peter said unto him, Lord, speakest thou this parable unto us, or even to all?  42 And the Lord said, Who then is that faithful and wise steward, whom his lord shall make ruler over his household, to give them their portion of meat in due season?  43 Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing.  44 Of a truth I say unto you, that he will make him ruler over all that he hath.  45 But and if that servant say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming; and shall begin to beat the menservants and maidens, and to eat and drink, and to be drunken;  46 The lord of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder, and will appoint him his portion with the unbelievers.  47 And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes.  48 But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more.  4[b]9 I am come to send fire on the earth; and what will I, if it be already kindled?[/b]  50 But I have a baptism to be baptized with; and how am I straitened till it be accomplished!  51 Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay; but rather division:  52 For from henceforth there shall be five in one house divided, three against two, and two against three.  53 The father shall be divided against the son, and the son against the father; the mother against the daughter, and the daughter against the mother; the mother in law against her daughter in law, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.  54 And he said also to the people, When ye see a cloud rise out of the west, straightway ye say, There cometh a shower; and so it is.

What Jesus is saying here is that his coming will bring divisions as those who will want to follow him will be opposed by those who dont. In the early days of Christianity, early converts were orchestrated; parents fighting Children and vice versa. It happens today and much more in the Muslim world where converts to Christianity are killed even by their own parents, brothers and sisters. In the book of Matthew its styled a "sword"; and the older Ethiopic version it renders it, "but a sword that I may divide": the Gospel is the sword of the Spirit, which divides asunder soul and Spirit, and separates a man from his former principles and practices; and sets men apart from one another, even the nearest relations, at the greatest distance; and is, through the sin of man, the occasion of great contention, discord, and division. Christ forsaw the turmoil that Christianity will bring; Mathew 24:9 (Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.) How true - Even on Christmas and in Church Christians are not safe!

Luke 22:36,38
[Jesus] said to them, "But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don't have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one, " The disciples said, "See, Lord, here are two swords."  "That is enough," he replied.

Again please read the entire chapter to gain an insight into the situation.Given how Jesus responds to Peter’s use of the sword (he rebukes him), and given everything Jesus says about loving enemies, doing good to them, turning the other cheek, and so on, it’s clear that, whatever Jesus was up to in telling his followers to buy swords, he clearly didn’t intend for them to use them. How do you reconcile your lifting that passage and Luke 22: 49 (49 When they which were about him saw what would follow, they said unto him, Lord, shall we smite with the sword?  50 And one of them smote the servant of the high priest, and cut off his right ear.  51 And Jesus answered and said, Suffer ye thus far. And he touched his ear, and healed him. ) Jesus had armed men around him but he refused any form of violence.  Immediately after telling them to buy a sword (Lk 22:36) Jesus says, “It is written: ‘And he was numbered with the transgressors’; and I tell you that this must be fulfilled in me. Yes, what is written about me is reaching its fulfillment.”(vs. 37). To fulfill prophecy, Jesus had to be viewed as a transgressor. He had to at least appear to be a political revolutionary to the Jewish authorities for them to feel justified in arresting him. His cleansing of the temple a few days earlier was probably calculated for the same effect. So, to fulfill the prophecy and to provoke the Jewish authorities, he had to have enough weaponry to justify being viewed as a law breaking revolutionary. This is why, in the next verse, when the disciples say they have two swords, Jesus says “That is enough.” (vs. 38). Obviously, if Jesus ever intended for the disciples to use the swords, that wouldn’t be nearly enough. But it’s enough to fulfill the prophecy by making Jesus look like a transgressor. Please read http://answering-islam.org/Authors/Arlandson/luke_22_36.htm to help you out.

All this selection of verses in isolation to try to prove fallacies will do nothing. One thing is clear, Jesus abhors violence. He said so severally and demonstrated his clear objection to it. He told Christians to expect TO BE THE VICTIMS of violence. In this day and age no Christian  convert is made through force or intimidation neither is and body threatened with death if he/she wants to leave. Also no one prevents any action towards converting a Christian cos the reasons are simple, your understanding and ACCEPTING WILLINGLY the gospel of Christ is key. I wonder if LagoShia can say that from his side.

(Hebrews 12:14 NIV) Make every effort to live in peace with all men and to be holy; without holiness no one will see the Lord.

Bomb planted in churches on Christmas day kill dozens, Islamist claim responsibilityl- news

which mosque was bombed on sallah day or on any day in Nigeria?

PLEASE!

Muslims need to have a heart to heart talk amongst themselves and decide if the actions of their breathrens truly represents Islam. all these bombings are what matters to most right thinking people not quoting texts trying to prove anything.

LagosShia such wicked act (bombing of innocent worshippers)speaks louder that a few posts on nairaland. And it is how Islam, or and other religion for that matter, will be judged

well if its an IED that is unsafe to keep as evidence, the police will carry out a controlled detonation to dispose it.

its better than for someone to use it or learn from it.

what shocks me is the scale to which terrorists will use Islam to kill, maim and destroy yet Muslim leaders will not condemn such acts.

its as if killing in Gods name is right. if God is powerful why fight kill and destroy in his name?

if he can't do that for himself then why call him God? and even follow him?

kai. this thing tire me

@ ezeufi
you are so unitelligent.

so the dead in the catholic church killed boko haram people? or was it the catholic church that caused the fight.  may your mother, sister infact your family be the victims then I will gladly hear your point of view.

your post was a waste of time.

@ ezeufi
you are so unitelligent.

so the dead in the catholic church killed boko haram. people or was it the catholic church that caused throughout fight. may your mother, sister infact your family be bombed then I will gladly hear your point of view.

your post was a waste of time.

LagosShia, this incident has undone all you have been posting throughout your time on Nairaland.

I always thank God that through Christ REAL Christians know and practice REAL peace. If tables were turned it would be another story. Its unfortunate!!!


www.vanguardngr.com/2011/12/adamawa-police-detonate-three-bombs-in-mubi/

Adamawa police detonate three bombs in
Mubi
Tweet Tweet 28
December 25, 2011
News
Yola – Adamawa Police Command, Saturday,
said it has succeeded in detonating three
bombs planted around Churches in Mubi
town of the state.
The police spokesman, ASP Altine Daniel,
who confirmed the development in Yola,
said, however, that another bomb planted
in a hotel in the town had exploded and
injured a lady on the leg.
“The three bombs detected around three
churches in the town were successfully
detonated by our men who responded
swiftly”, Altine said.
Altine who commended the people of Mubi
for their vigilance, said the report they
made to the police assisted greatly in
detecting and detonating the bombs.
She assured that the police were on alert
to contain any threat to peace in the state
and urged the people to go about their
normal businesses.

I vote yes. deregulation now. lets get it over and done with and get on wit life.

thank God the police has shown the army how to behave. if it were maiduguri the army will shoot on sight upon arriving. the BH guys would have escaped and innocent brave residents who arrested the bad guys would have been sprayed with hot lead. the army has little time for civility, which is the hallmark of modern military.

by behaving as the police and getting the public on the side of the law, BH willbe crushed in no time. I hope the maiduguri JTF are learning.

Indians are resisting multi national owned malls coming into India cos it will wipe off tens of thousands of jobs for shop owners but here in naija we refuse to think ahead we are just clapping for them. if they really want to help Nigeria let 90% of their goods be made in Nigeria Nigeria and let them be listed on the stock exchange. the pictures may look nice the economics of it isn't.

why all this argument sef?


please what son did the Koran say Abraham almost sacrificed? lets not assume for the holy books please.

may I recommend this site to all http://www.staringattheview..com it will answer many questions going back and forth here. the truth is many of us - Christians and Muslims- simply don't know enough of the scriptures to meaningfully respond to some issues.

also, I read earlier someone referred to that Norwegian murderer as a Christian terrorist. It is not correct. he may be a terrorist but his action doesn't fit that phase for the following simple. reasons (1) he didn't use the Christian faith to justify his action. never in his 1,500 page manifesto of violence did he mention Jesus or quote one verse from the bible. neither did he do that in the course of killing or arrest. he describes himself as a Christian but didn't practice. if he did practice Christianity he would not have killed anyone; he would have prayed about it. (2)not a single figure in Christiandom supported the man; he was roundly condemned and quickly apprehended and brought to trial. (3) the Norwegian society has sat up, taken notice and are beginning to work to prevent a reoccurence. Christianity abhors violence in any form. those saying the guy is a ''Christian terrorists " are saying if a certain john doe is arrested for armed robbery, because he is named john he must be a " Christian armed robber". it doesn't work like that. until he can justify that with Christ's teachings and have concurrence with Christian leaders, he is on his own!