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Ayatollah Khomeini - Tahrirloyvasyleh, fourth volume, Darol Em, Iran, 1990 [/b]




The permanent committee for scientific research and religious sanctions:

Fatwa (religious sanction)

Number 41409 dated 7/5/1421

August 8, 2000
As for the thighing of the messenger of God to his fiancée Ayesha, she was six years old and he could not engage in intimate intercourse with her because of her young age, therefore he used to place his joy stick  between her thighs and rub it lightly.  In addition, the messenger of God had full control of his joy stick  in contrary to the believers.

Revelation 2:22-23:
"Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds. And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works."

Revelation is a highly figurative in its message. This is stating the punishment for an action. It was an act Jesus committed on earth. Show me Jesus commanded the killing of an individual

Luke 13:34
"O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were not willing!

Seriously, you didnt see that this was a warning to "you who kill the prophets" And what did the passage promise in return? to kill them? No, it says, "how often I have longed to gather your children together" WHAT SHOW OF LOVE AND COMPASSION!!!!!!!!!!!!

John 8:44
Ye are of [your] father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

Someone is being rebuked as being evil. Pure and Simple

Matthew 23:37
O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you that kill the prophets, and stone them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together , even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!

Same as the second one. Read man and dont embarrass yourself

Mathew 23:33
"You serpents, you generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell"?

Mathew 12:34
"O generation of vipers, how can ye, being evil, speak good things? for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks".

Describing people for what they are. What is bad here?

Mathew 12:39
"But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas".

This is clear. Ki lo de?

Mathew 16:4
A wicked and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given unto it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas. And he left them, and departed.

CLear.

Mathew 23:17
"You blind fools! Which is greater: the gold, or the temple that makes the gold sacred"?

A question to fools. Dont see anybody's neck sliced.

Luke 19:27
"But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me."

Read the entire chapter to gain an insight to this. Clear as day. (As Apostle Paul puts it,the weapons of our warfare are not fleshly)

Luke 12:49
"I have come to bring fire on the earth, and how I wish it were already kindled!

Fire of truth and salvation. Read the Chapter and dont quote in isolation 

Matthew 10:34
"Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword."

Read the entire chapter. Did Jesus ever directed Christians to fight and slay their enemies? (Love your enemies and pray for those who prosecute you)

2 Peter 2:12
"These false teachers are like unthinking animals, creatures of instinct, born to be caught and destroyed. They scoff at things they do not understand, and like animals, they will be destroyed."

the most important word there is "LIKE". ''The false teachers are like unthinking animals" and not "The false teachers are unthinking animals" Get it?

John 2:15
[Jesus] made a whip out of cords, and drove all from the temple area, both sheep and cattle; he scattered the coins of the money changers and overturned their tables.

Cleaned out the temple of corruption. With what do you drive sheep and cattle?

Matthew 10:34
"Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword."

See above

Luke 22:36,38
[Jesus] said to them, "But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don't have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one, " The disciples said, "See, Lord, here are two swords."  "That is enough," he replied.

To fulfill the scriptures. He didnt stab anybody.

Matthew 10:35
35 For I have come to turn   “‘a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law—

For those that choose to follow him, it will be a resistance galore. Setting friction in families. Simple

Luke 12:50-53

50 But I have a baptsm to undergo, and what constraint I am under until it is completed! 51 Do you think I came to bring peace on earth? No, I tell you, but division. 52 From now on there will be five in one family divided against each other, three against two and two against three. 53 They will be divided, father against son and son against father, mother against daughter and daughter against mother, mother-in-law against daughter-in-law and daughter-in-law against mother-in-law.”

Tabari VII:101/Ishaq:483 “Sallam’s wife came out and we told her that we were Arabs in search of supplies. When we entered, we bolted the door on her so she gave a shout to warn him of our presence. We rushed upon him with our swords as he lay in his bed. He took his pillow and tried to fend us off. Abd Allah thrust his sword into his stomach and transfixed him while he was shouting, ‘Enough! Enough!’ She said, ‘By the God of the Jews, he is dead.’ I never heard any more pleasing words than these. We went to the Messenger of Allah and told him that we had killed the enemy of Allah. We disagreed in his presence about the killing of Sallam, each of us claiming to have done it. The Prophet said, ‘Bring me your swords.’ We did and he looked at them. He said, ‘This sword of Abd Allah killed him. I can see the marks left by bones on it.’”

You get the idea? Nuff said

Tabari VIII:179/Ishaq:550 “Among those who Muhammad ordered killed was Abdallah bin Khatal. The Messenger ordered him to be slain because while he was a Muslim, Muhammad had sent him to collect the zakat tax with an Ansar and a slave of his, His girls used to sing a satire about Muhammad so the Prophet ordered that they should be killed along with Abdullah. He was killed by Sa’id and Abu Barzah. The two shared in his blood. One of the singing girls was killed quickly but the other fled. So Umar caused his horse to trample the one who fled, killing her.”

In Christianity, Jesus NEVER ordered anyone killed


Tabari VIII:181 “The Messenger ordered six men and four women to be assassinated. One of these women was Hind, who swore allegiance and became a Muslim.” {And yet, she was killed?}.
Ishaq:597 “When the Apostle returned to Medina after his raid on Ta’if, word spread that he had killed some of the men who had satirized him. The poets who were left, fled in all directions.”

In Christianity, Jesus NEVER ordered anyone killed. He was criticized, maligned but true to his words he demonstrated that Love conquers all

How Islam Improves Christianity? Here is how

Ishaq: 676 “(To Muhammed’s companions),’you obey a stranger who encourages you to murder for booty. You are greedy men. Is there no honor among you?’ Upon hearing those lines Muhammad said, ‘Will no one rid me of this woman?’ Umayr, a zealous Muslim, decided to execute the Prophet’s wishes. That very night he crept into the writer’s home while she lay sleeping surrounded by her young children. There was one at her breast. Umayr removed the suckling babe and then plunged his sword into the poet. The next morning in the mosque, Muhammad, who was aware of the assassination, said, ‘You have helped Allah and His Apostle.’ Umayr said. ‘She had five sons; should I feel guilty?’ ‘No,’ the Prophet answered. ‘Killing her was as meaningless as two goats butting heads.’”

In Christianity, Jesus NEVER ordered anyone killed.



Bukhari:V1B11N626 “The Prophet said, ‘No prayer is harder for the hypocrites than the Fajr. If they knew the reward they would come to (the mosque) even if they had to crawl. I decided to order a man to lead the prayer and then take a flame to burn all those who had not left their houses for the prayer, burning them alive inside their homes.’” {Burning men, women and children alive in their homes)


In Christianity nobody was forced to do anything about religion

LagosShia:
according to Davidylan,the word "christianity" was derogatery.show me where Jesus said i should be christian.

Can't you read? the answers are as I wote.

Christianity means followers of Christ. Davidylan has explained.

the answer is in Mark 8:34-35 and was further reinforced in Acts 11:26, Acts 26:28, 1 Peter 4:16

the second answer is made clear in john 10:30 -33


if you are eager for answers read the verses and get it. Though I know an excuse is coming.

I really don't expect you to concede cos you are so blinded by hate (as you have openly stated) that you will raise some silly argument against what ostensibly is made so clear .

I WILL NOT tutor you to understand these simple verses like the other time. Read and learn. You have eyes. put em to use.

Show me where Jesus in the bible said we should practice a religion called Christianity

Mark 8:34-35 - Then he called the crowd to him along with his disciples and said: “Whoever wants to be my disciple must deny themselves and take up their cross and follow me. 35 For whoever wants to save their life[a] will lose it, but whoever loses their life for me and for the gospel will save it.

Acts 11:26 - and when he found him, he brought him to Antioch. So for a whole year Barnabas and Saul met with the church and taught great numbers of people. The disciples were called Christians first at Antioch.

1 Peter 4:16 - However, if you suffer as a Christian, do not be ashamed, but praise God that you bear that name.

Show me where Jesus said we should either worship him or accept him as "a god" or "God".

john 10:30 - I and the Father are one

John 14:6 - I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

cut and paste!

goshen360:
You don't embrace Christianity on conditions but on CONVICTIONS.

abi oh. I have given him an answer. May God grant him understanding.

naijajive:
I once made a re[b]mark[/b] about the hidden books of the Bible. It was a lulu; kept people looking so hard for f[b]acts[/b] …and for others it was a revelation. Some were in a jam, especially since the names of the books were not capitalized. But the t[b]ruth[/b] finally struck home to numbers of our readers. To others it was a real job. We want it to be a most fascinating few moments for you. Yes, there will be some really easy ones to spot. Others may require judges to help them. I will quickly admit it usually takes a pastor to find one of them, and there will be loud lamentations when it is found! A little lady says s[b]he brews[/b] a cup of tea so she can concentrate better. See how well you can compete. Relax now, for there really are sixteen names of books of the Bible in this paragraph

Let me know how many books you can find

captivating

I give up

Christianity means followers of Christ. Davidylan has explained.

the answer is in Mark 8:34-35 and was further reinforced in Acts 11:26, Acts 26:28, 1 Peter 4:16

the second answer is made clear in john 10:30 -33


if you are eager for answers read the verses and get it. Though I know an excuse is coming.

I really don't expect you to concede cos you are so blinded by hate (as you have openly stated) that you will raise some silly argument against what ostensibly is made so clear .

I WILL NOT tutor you to understand these simple verses like the other time. Read and learn. You have eyes. put em to use.

Here is an assignment. Find out the meaning of Gnostic gospels and have a look at this site

http://www.scribd.com/doc/15420171/Comparing-and-Contrasting-the-Quran-to-the-Gnostic-Apocryphal-and-Canonical-Christian-Scriptures

and see if you can honestly say Islam improves Christianity

LagosShia:
christians are demonic and demonism is what they are taught in churches and places of worship.

if you dont reply them and break them and expose their falsehood and reveal the truth of Islam to them,they will take liberty for license.they will not only preach their boring christianity many of them are dumping,they will start to provoke and use mockery against others.they dont use reasoning at all.that is demonic.

Hahaha LagosShia, you are one funny dude. Who is more demonic, a religion that preaches "Love your neighbour as yourself" or you where you say you hate people like $hit! (your own words)

LagosShia, PANTS ON FIRE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

once again you are caught pants down

You looovvveeeee quoting passages in isolation to trick gullible readers.

Here is the full passage from http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/15464b.htm

It will not be without interest to recall here, unreliable though they are, the lengthy stories concerning St. Joseph's marriage contained in the apocryphal writings. When forty years of age, Joseph married a woman called Melcha or Escha by some, Salome by others; they lived forty-nine years together and had six children, two daughters and four sons, the youngest of whom was James (the Less, "the Lord's brother". A year after his wife's death, as the priests announced through Judea that they wished to find in the tribe of Juda a respectable man to espouse Mary, then twelve to fourteen years of age. Joseph, who was at the time ninety years old, went up to Jerusalem among the candidates; a miracle manifested the choice God had made of Joseph, and two years later the Annunciation took place. These dreams, as St. Jerome styles them, from which many a Christian artist has drawn his inspiration (see, for instance, Raphael's "Espousals of the Virgin", are void of authority; they nevertheless acquired in the course of ages some popularity; in them some ecclesiastical writers sought the answer to the well-known difficulty arising from the mention in the Gospel of "the Lord's brothers"; from them also popular credulity has, contrary to all probability, as well as to the tradition witnessed by old works of art, retained the belief that St. Joseph was an old man at the time of marriage

And what are apocryphal writings?

In general use, the word "apocrypha" came to mean "false, spurious, bad, or heretical."  in the dictionary its defined as various religious writings of uncertain origin regarded by some as inspired, but rejected by most authorities. [2] writings, statements, etc., of doubtful authorship or authenticity

.

Apocrypha writings are heretical writings that sought to add to the gospels of Christ by portraying him to have carried out more miracles than he really did, more apostles, miraculous things about Mary and so on. (also part of the Gnostic Gospels) These were rejected by early Church fathers and so till today have remained in the realm of history. Their application gained some traction in Arabia by indigenous early Christians. ( For the relationship between the Apocrypha writings and the Quran see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syriac_Infancy_Gospel ). Of course the falsehood couldn't stand for long and has since been proved false.

So what the encyclopedia is doing is to list all the heretical  and false gospels concerning the Mary and Joeseph. Being an encyclopaedia, its on an academic enquiry. next time read the whole text.



Unlike in the Arab World, in-depth enquiry is allowed as facts breeds faith.

Compare this with;

Dr. Taha Hussein (November 14, 1889—October 28, 1973) nicknamed "Dean of Arabic Literature" was one of the most influential 20th century Egyptian writers and intellectuals,.

The Stream of Days (1943).-Gāhilī}(a  book by Taha) in which he expressed doubt about the authenticity of much traditional Arabic poetry, claiming that it may have been faked during ancient times due to tribal pride and competition between those tribes. In this book, he also hinted indirectly that the Quran should not be taken as an objective source of history[b] Naturally this book excited the intense anger and hostility of al-Azhar and many other traditionalists, and he was prosecuted with the accusation of insulting Islam[/b], but the public prosecutor stated that what Taha Hussein said was the opinion of an academic researcher and no legal action was taken against him, although he lost his post at Cairo University in 1931. His book was banned but was later published with slight modifications under the title "On Pre-Islamic Literature". = http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taha_Hussein

See the difference, academic enquiry is not a problem in Christian world.

Next time you want to quote read the whole passage to gain an insight, OK?

hahaha, and some people say GEJ is weak, spineless. They wanted a Field Marshal, lion, Pharoah, General etc now you got it.

BE CAREFUL WHAT YOU WISH FOR PEOPLE  



Seriously, GEJ just allow these protesters to carry on. It may just die down in a few days or you give more concessions. Make a mistake and kill one person and you provoke the whole nation. A word is enough for the wise!

agabaI23:
Ofcom has withdrawn PressTV's licence in the UK
prolly not the best thing to do though

These Oyinbos are really tolerant. BBC has been disallowed from operating in Iran but Press TV has operated from London for so long. Wonder what made them act this time.

dding that the plain-clothes agents asked about expatriate quotas and permission from authorities to operate.

The agents from the country's secret police left the US news network's bureau after about 20 minutes, leaving a phone number with instructions to contact the authorities, the witness said.

Wonder why BBC and CNN didnt report the stories themselves? It didnt sound like an invasion or raid to me though. The words means worse than what was reported. Journalist could use help with a dictionary.

Not supporting the  action though cos it would be misconstrued as per the timing and whether the SSS dable into expatriate quota issues. Also, it is futile to think that such international media can be intimidated (which i believe the action was). The have been through worse in places like Myanmar, Zimbabwe and North Korea.

sweetnecta is either confused or in a big hurry. Read your post again carefully and tell me if it makes sense.

instead of leading a moderate life you are talking of samson like men, lust and all the naughtyness that goes with it. Is your belief all about intimacy? Ah!

how many times have you been married. Mutah wise?

Sahara reporters make the most sensational of all reports.

I take their reports with a table spoon of salt and a dash of maggi for good measure.

all they do is quote unnamed sources.

when the president is to broadcast speeches, advance copies are given to print media so it can appear in time e.g. today's 7am speech is already in this morning papers. Saraha Reporters will make it sound as though obtaining the speech is a scoop when publishing on line can take less than 30 mins upon receiving it the day before so(or hours before)

they publish mostly conjectures, permutations and assumptions and ride on public sentiments to sustain interest. That's not investigative journalism, its junk

tbaba1234:
@goggs I disagree with your assertions but we are derailing this thread and just going in circles.

We have both made our points,  Set up a new thread if you want to explore this more and i will provide responses.

I will be glad to take any question you might have,

Thank you.

I did say earlier that quoting people will take us nowhere.

davidylan:
If we then flip that around . . . can we now safely accuse islam of plagiarism?

David, I just told him. I doubt if he will be able to comprehend

goggs:
within the same bible? nah.

why is some Bible narration in Quran and when we say Quran copied from the Bible ( plagiarised) you start hyperventilating?

you just confirmed by your own mouth then that Quran stories  copied from the Bible is plagiarism

He is one funny dude. Monumental acts of foolishness should not be condoned! ( apologies Davidy)

In the hadith collection of Tirmithy, Abdullah Ibn Abbas narrates:

A man comes by a town where he has no acquaintances, so he marries for a fixed time depending on his stay in the town, the woman looks after his provisions and prepares his food.



According to Shia scholar Ali Khamenei
“Temporary marriage like permanent marriage, requires a marriage contract. Moreover there is no difference between permanent marriage and temporary marriage except in some aspects of the law, such as there is no divorce in temporary marriage - it terminates with the expiration of the time period. Likewise, neither spouse in a temporary marriage inherits from the other. The temporary marriage contract is as follows: The female says: " I marry myself to you for the specified dowry (mention the amount) and for the specified time period (mention the time period)". Then the man says: "I accept".”




Jesus says a man is but a husband of ONE wife and if he as much as looks at a woman with lust, he has already committed adultery.

LagosShia:
i also schooled in missionary schools and the tactics listed in the OP are just few.and i still hate and destest and denounce christianity in all its forms and denominations like $hit!!!

And you were tricked and became LagosShia?   

if it weren't for missionary schools you may have been a street urchin ( almajiri in the north). And you hate them like pooh.

This Is what fanaticism does to people, folks.

May God have mercy on you.

LagosShia:
@goggs

using your "thousand years later" game,imagine if what you are quoting was found in the holy book of the hindus or the muslims',what would you have sincerely said?

this is copying!!!it is plagiarism.dont fool anyone.

within the same bible? nah.

why is some Bible narration in Quran and when we say Quran copied from the Bible ( plagiarised) you start hyperventilating?

you just confirmed by your own mouth then that Quran stories  copied from the Bible is plagiarism

Beretta92:
Lagoshia,why's it dat u'r always attacking xtians/xtianity in all your posts/threads?did they ever do anything bad 2 u or your loved ones?sometimes u seem 2 b so bitter, very unlike anotha shia i listened 2 on tv.the guy's sermon was wrapped up in love n i thought 4 a moment that if evry muslim in nigeria culd b lik him,BH menace'll b history.am not a muslim but i was moved by certain things that american shia said.why not post sermons lik that,so both your muslim brethren n those who care 2 read might benefit 4rm it.Thanks.

LagosShia, you don hear. bitterness and hate wouldn't take you anywhere. see how a message delivered the right way is reaching out and being relayed by people of different faith sef.

You are always starting flames on this forum. your tactic has failed. try another.

LagosShia:
u don tire?

no not all. its your very poor debate skill and lack of comprehension that's makin me bored.

Lamido Sanusi went to a missionary school that helped shape him to what he is today. ask him if this was how he was how"tricked"

* yawn* not again.

In fact after lying that he insults no one I got seven of his post with insults in JUST 10 MINS not to talk of the one on this thread!

I just let go, it will serve no purpose. He CAN LIE!

And he calls himself a true Muslim comparable to Sheiks! .

LagosShia:
i do not call anyone names.i only say the truth.i even use the bible to justify what i say and that hurts so much!!!

i am in good health and i thank God for that.

i know if i die,c[b]hristian missionaries on nairaland will rejoice[/b] and see that as a sign as their counterparts around the world did when Ahmad Deedat died at an old age of 87.

PANTS ON FIRE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You do have a short memory. you have forgotten so soon that you called people b*tches, f*ool, cockroaches?

We will not rejoice at your death. You forget we are not Muslims. We will feel pity about where you will spent eternity.

I prefer fulfilment of prophesies, cos that's what they truly are.