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See how confused you are LagoShia. First you say she must be following the footsteps of Jesus LagosShia:Then I remind you that she converted to Islam goggs:Then you go: LagosShia:Always looking for a way out. This time you outdid yourself. ![]() |
LagosShia:I still can't agree more, no one can defeat the truth. I just said it (truth) and you are hyperventilating! ![]() goggs: |
LagosShia:So you didn't read about her conversion to Islam abi? ALWAYS looking for excuses! ![]() mmmsscccheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeewwwwwwwwwww!!!!!!!! |
maasoap:burning and laying to waste - I couldn't agree more! ![]() |
Here is a post from one "Freedom" posting the Vanguard today. I agree with him. http://www.vanguardngr.com/2011/12/actual-cost-of-petrol-is-n39-50-per-litre-coalition/ Scientific Knowledge and Analytical skill will help solve most of the problems facing Nigerians - not politics, miracle or even religion! A barrel (159litres) of Nigerian BL crude oil now costs ca US$100=(N15,700=) ex Bonny loading terminal. Even if a refinery converts the whole 1 barrel to petrol- impossible- the ex refinery cost will be some N95=/liter. If you get 65% products out a barrel the price will become N145/liter ex refinery gate. So without much politics the cost/price of petrol from Nigeria crude should technically hover around N95= to N 145= per liter excluding transport and profit margin. So fuel subsidy is real in Nigeria. BOKO HARAM problem can be easily solved with more people going into farming and less politics, trading, banking or miracle religion activities. The author is a graduate petroleum engineer with 35 yrs experience. He presently powers his diesel gen set with part heated/40 deg C coco nut oil which he grows in abundance - the cake goes to cat fish. No kidnappers/armed robbers/boko haram has ever noticed/visited him. Another from "Ndulue" we should stop playing politics with Nigerian economy, I have been following this issue for sometime now and found out that a lot of information being passed on to the people are all lies including the above write up that the actual cost of fuel is N39.50. Just yesterday we woke up in Accra with news that the fuel price is now GHC1.75 (N175) from GHC1.52 (N152) per liter and that is it, no strike and life goes on. The gave the same reason that they are removing the subsidy, if at N152 there is subsidy I wonder why we are talking that the cost of fuel is N39.50 which is a big lie. I am pretty much sure that the cost of refining a liter of petrol in Nigeria refineries is more than N200 by the time you put together all their inefficiencies and I bet you that the person that put up the above write up is among those that kicked against the sale of those refineries during OBJ time. One thing about human beings is that they will not vote you of you tell me the truth, they will only vote you when you tell them what they want to hear. I bet you that GEJ would have lost the election if he had told Nigerians that he will remove the subsidy. Let's all look at issue critically and not based on sentiments. |
For Izielen Agbon Izielen Agbon to be correct, NNPC would have to buy its 445,000 barrels a day for N0 (Zero Naira). However that is not the case NNPC pays prevailing international prices for its allocation of 445,000 barrels. If NNPC didn't there will be serious cash flow problems for the nation as 445,000 barrels a day represents about 25% of out total output. The argument has always been whether NNPC is being judicious with its allocation ( with its crude for fuel deals in ivory coast etc), and pays the correct amount to the Federation Account in view that others import what is covered in its allocation |
I just pray that Nigerians are TRUTFUL and don't play politics with this fuel issue. The proponents and opponents all LIE about issues that making up ones mind is so difficult. Check this out; http://kshitij.com/research/petrol.shtml - a comparison of fuel prices in 50 Countries of the world - only Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Afganistan are petrol cheaper http://www.punchng.com/index.php/news/item/9245-ghana-cuts-fuel-subsidies-fuel-rises-to-n184-per-litre Ghana has cut fuel subsidies following an increase in crude oil prices and the depreciation of the Ghana cedi currency, the Chief Executive Officer of Ghana's National Petroleum Authority, Alex Mould, said in a statement on Thursday. Reuters reports that Ghana, which joined the club of oil producers in West Africa last year, has come under increased pressure from the International Monetary Fund to remove the fuel subsidies. The IMF has urged countries across West and Central Africa to cut fuel subsidies, which they say are not effective in directly aiding the poor, but do promote corruption and smuggling. The past months have seen governments in Nigeria, Guinea, Cameroon and Chad moving to cut state subsidies on fuel. Mould said the cumulative effect of the rise in crude oil prices this year and the about 5.7 per cent depreciation of the cedi meant a 25 per cent increase in cedi terms in the cost of procuring crude oil and petroleum products since January. Mould said Ghana had spent about 450 million cedis (N 44,725,608,210.76) on fuel subsidies in 2011. The price change effective from December 29, will see the cost of Liquefied Petroleum Gas increase by 30 per cent while petrol and diesel will go up 15 per cent at pump. Ghana's Minister for Finance Kwabena Duffour said the removal of subsidies would have a positive impact on Ghana's economy. By this increase, according to the NPA, the price of petrol to GNp175.48 (N184.972) per litre; diesel is now GHp 177.09 per litre ((N186.668); while LPG will go up by 30 per cent at GHp 136.19 per kilo (N143.765). |
this arab/isreali fight na wah, These cousins/brothers are creating trouble beyond their borders. Will they ever stop? from land, now to pencils! I wonder whats next. |
I have a fantastic Yoruba Muslim Boss who is so good to me, I can NEVER IMAGINE any harm coming to him. In fact I pray everyday for him. I am not Yoruba but the guy is like a father. The guy has made me respect Muslims because he shares some of his faith with me and respects my faith and even if I don't agree with him I respect him. |
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I am pleased that this decision was taken. We treat lives so cheaply in Nigeria that in the case of any disaster, its MASS GRAVES as if they people are not humans. No matter the circumstances of death, EVERYBODY deserves a decent burial to help the families find closure |
[quote author=bashy_demy link=topic=821784.msg9854110#msg9854110 date=1325133505]@goggs You have finally derail this thread. Why not try to create another thread to claim about the Noble prize things you are doing here, Typical of Christian ways, But i have put this question forward and nobody has ever answer my question, let trace history to as far back as 1900 Arab nations have been the most peace nation i think from 1900-80's. They never participate in the first and second world war did they? So have you ever ask your self why are this change over night? Also ask yourself who train Osama Bin Laden and what did they use him for? Who lead the squad to invade Libya in the 80's, Who turn Iraq and Iran to each other and make them go to war? who invade Vietnam and kill millions of there Citizen. Now tell American train Osama to be a Terrorist and use him to Terrorize Arab Nations. So if he change overnight and said no am not killing my people anymore and turn to the America who train him that was when they call him terrorist abi. another thing is if a boy wake up in the morning, Find both his parent and siblings dead and he is also badly injure, If they tell that boy that America are responsible for the death of your Family and also they put you in this way do you think he will ever like Americans? Ti eshinshin ba nje elegbo eni o ni ri ooo, Though am not supporting them am only trying to let you know the cause of there brutality.[/quote]Well sorry dude, was trying to prove a point and I think I have (the Jewish people are part of the issues on this thread sef). Since I have, I will, unfortunately, not answer your question so as not to continue "derailing". I agree with you that opening a new thread will do justice to the issues you raise. BUT I may do so because I think that the American vs Afghanistan vs Iraqi and all these middle east crisis are made up more of emotions running riot than real facts and issues. So when they finally agree to settle themselves, we will hear the complete story. permit me though to clear up a misconception that LagoShia wrote; (i) you are lying (ii) the halocaust was done by who? (iii) who are paying the price for it today? (iv)Hitler by all account was a christian. Question I - Am I? Question II - The holocaust was done by the NAZIs headed by Hitler Question III - The Germans are responsible and have been paying reparations and bear the moral burden. The Israelis lost 6 million of their citizens Question IV - My Oga read the biography of Hitler very well. He was not a Christian. You guys assume that everybody in the west is a Christian. It may be like that in Saudi, but in Europe there are atheist, free thinkers, confused souls seeking directions etc of course inclusing the main religions Christianity, Islam, Hindus, Buddist etc. You see everybody is free to live there and is held to account for his or her actions. Just because Hitler is from Germany doesn't make him a Christian. Please read his biography very well. in fact Google for Mein Kampt (his manifesto) to see if he mentioned his religion. How could you claim a mass murderer to be a Christian when he went against Biblical principles? Its like saying you are british, but you hold no british passport and dont qualify to be british, calling you a british is an empty joke Infact here is a quote from Hitler himself (out of so many) Night of 11th-12th July, 1941: National Socialism and religion cannot exist together, The heaviest blow that ever struck humanity was the coming of Christianity. Bolshevism is Christianity's illegitimate child. Both are inventions of the Jew. The deliberate lie in the matter of religion was introduced into the world by Christianity, Let it not be said that Christianity brought man the life of the soul, for that evolution was in the natural order of things. PS: Its interesting to see that you mention the holocaust. That means you agree it took place. Thank goodness, some Muslims say its a Jewish lie (e.g. Ahmedinajad) I rest my case |
LagosShia:You didn't bother about my request that you respond to HOLY QURAN 5:32. You dodged it, again. Please answer. Ok, I will respond nontheless. I must note that you are jumbling issues "live by the sword" means if you use harsh or violent means (oppression) against others you can expect those same means used against you.those who use the same means against the oppressor who lives by the sword,will those also be seen in a bad light? is it allowed to defend oneself against those who "live by the sword"?Living by the sword is not only for opression. If you read the explanation it says ". if you use violence, or other harsh means, against other people," so its a broad statement. Whether you strike first or second, Christianity practices pacifism (abhorrence to violence). Anybody running around saying he is fighting for Christianity should open the Bible and show me where Christ asked Christians to fight for anything. Of course people are drifting from faith (Christianity, Islam, Buddist, Hindus etc) and are claiming all sorts of things. That is why there is need for a rebirth, a break from violence, embracing what is good for mankind in the context of what we find ourselves today. I know that you are looking for justification of the violent passages in the Koran (as per self defence). I have already shown you that passages like Sura 9:29 shows premeditation of violence and also a practical example is how Islam came to West Africa. I would advice our dear Muslims that there is need to admit the existence of violence in the Koran and try to address it especially for those fringe extremist who thrive on mass murder. During Prophet Muhammed's time, he may have used violence for political and military purposes, but this is so unnecessary right now. So also other religions, even Christianity, where some supposed adherents are getting fed up, backsliding and are starting to talk of retaliation (which is totally forbidden (turn the other cheek, remember?)) should realise that it is wrong. But really, its up to Muslims to reform themselves for the 21st century. |
Again on the unfortunate Sapele bombing. I knew that some people (now calling themselves Egbesu Fraternity) will seek to consolidate their presence on the national scene by carry out "reprisal" attacks. this acts are ill-concieved because it would be akin to crying more than the berieved. IS the Christian community calling for reprisals? More so from Egbesu (cultists and militants)? I dont think so. That is the problem with these things, once they start, everybody wants in. Boko Haram are slowly achieving their aim of creating a proxy war, a schism between Christians and Moslems. Some people are falling for it, while others are exploiting the opportunity. Its unfortunate. The time for real Nigerians to stand and be counted is NOW. We have to condemn these violence totally and expose the devils in our mists for they are many! I wish the kids quick recovery. |
Listing American wars in the Muslim world doesn't invalidate the meaning of live by the sword die by the sword. while I do NOT support some wars America went to, but do yourself a favor and read those links from the very beginning and you will find that there was a reason. even if the use of force is disproportionate. its a case of yatrouble dey sleep yanga go wake am. America doesn't suffer fools gladly. Seriously, What were you tryin to prove with ya post sef? That the bible passage is wrong? |
@Naledi14 can you, in all honesty, compare north and south Korea? You are talking of western propaganda, is the south not prospering? Is the north not always begging for food aid and if not given points a few nukes to the south? ais the |
LagosShia:Nice write up from the guy. He has just given the formular why the Jews are ahead. Listen, he said "mere human beings who have been able to make a difference in their fields by applying their intelligence, determination and creativity. They are ordinary human beings whose work has made the world a better place." fortunately, he has also identified the bad: "all the problems that plague the world today (such as oppression, terrorism, extremism, war, etc" Between the two, to which do Muslims are most likely to be found and to which Isrealis? We need more of him to help create a better world!. Read the humility in the tone of the write up; determination to succeed and hope for his country. THAT is the spirit. Not spending what should be quality time on the PC insulting people (b*tches, Cockroaches, fools etc) and casting aspersion on the Bible with stuff you cant prove. |
LagosShia: [/quote]There goes LagoShia with his insults,Yep, the Jews regard Jesus not so highly, but do Christians say SLAY THE JEWS!!!!!!!!!!!!! No cos their beliefs are their problem. We can join hands with them and solve any problem life throws at us. No irrational HATE of the Jews. Lai lai. They are humans and thats what matters. They chose their path to salvation and we ours: shall meet on the last day. Chikenan! what the above[b] fool [/b]has just done unknowingly is to prove Christian backward[/b] and the belief in Jesus Christ as something very insignificant as well.Oh Oh! here comes the insults again! ![]() I have not even started to compile Christian inventors and Nobel Laureates, 100's of names come to mind. But from the compilation of the Jews and Muslims, there is no chance in anywhere you are going anywhere when compared with Christianity. The Laptop you are using was invented by a Muslim ko? Abi Sir Bennard Lee (Father of the Internet) is a Muslim? Abi Isaac Newton? Abi Steve Jobs (A Syrian - but not so fast, he was Bhuddist) Seriously, you do not think that the Christians that have won this thing are less than eight (6 muslims + 2 you mentioned) do you? Don't go there. so really what is the point of the thread?is science the topic of this thread?The point of this post is to show how the culture of hate and intolerance is damaging Muslims. And No Science is not the topic of this thread. besides,a people like the jews who control the world through cartels and lobbies should definitely be ahead.You guys just makes excuses. The Jews have the right to whine about their persecution through the ages and do nothing but hate. But No, the Jews are investing HEAVILY in education, social services etc. With determination they are ahead. Muslim ought to learn but no, they just whine about cartels. WHO are the cartels? Where are they? Why cant you form your own cartels? You are 20% of the world population! Common! Isreal was formed in 1948. in a generation, they have built a first class nation while holding hostile neighbours at bay. I expected the Arabs to asks Jew, how do you do it? Collaborate and lift the entire middle east out of poverty, afterall there is NOTHING that cannot be settled through talks. That they are prospering in the midst of great adversity in just 60 years is amazing. Interestingly, there are Arab Isrealis and Isreali Muslims (25% of the population) with full citizenship who are enjoying far better standard of living than there counter part in the region. They chose to leave hate, though they agitate for what ever they feel they deserve, they are guaranteed rights. Check Wikipedia for more. Come to Nigeria, its a story for another day! |
LagosShia:educating is a difficult task. So I write to cover all angles. ![]() Ask any Christian ( In fact anybody that understands English well) the meaning of this. In fact its a common saying that has entered everyday use. In fact let me allow Wikipedia to explain, since you are pretending you dont know what is in common usage When it comes to swords you are rushing to twist it to follow your meanings in the Koran. Not so fast. Let me let a third party (wikipedia Encyclopedia) answer you - (PS See how the meaning of simple Bible passages confuse you into thinking they are contradictions or preach violence). Here goes: "Live by the sword, die by the sword" is a saying derived from a Biblical parable to the effect that if you use violence, or other harsh means, against other people, you can expect to have those same means used against you; "You can expect to become a victim of whatever means you use to get what you want. - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Live_by_the_sword,_die_by_the_sword Go back and read my posts well oh. Don't pretend they are too long. You were the one prompting for answers, the answers come you are complaining ( and dodging I may add) W PS Read my answer to your HOLY QURAN 5:32. Dont dodge it. |
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The Muslims denial of the truth even when confronted with facts is mind boggling. This is for sure why the Muslim world is so backward. They cant question WHY? can't seek the truth, stifle dissent and free thinking, hardly learn from mistakes and even when confronted with facts will allude all sorts of gibberish to discredit facts! I came across this somewhere on the net, it showed the difference in stark terms comparing the Jews and the Muslim world (both are somewhat related - descendants of Abraham, came about in similar times) - The Global Islamic population is approximately 1,200,000,000; ONE BILLION TWO HUNDRED MILLION or 20% of the world's population. They have received the following Nobel Prizes: Literature: 1988 - Najib Mahfooz Peace: 1978 - Mohamed Anwar El-Sadat 1990 - Elias James Corey 1994 - Yaser Arafat: 1999 - Ahmed Zewai Economics: (zero) Physics: (zero) Medicine: 1960 - Peter Brian Medawar (Arab Atheist that grew up in Britain, if he were in the Middle East, he would have been dead before long) 1998 - Ferid Mourad A TOTAL OF 7 - SEVEN The Global Jewish population is approximately 14,000,000 Only FOURTEEN MILLION or about 0.02% of the world's population. They have received the following Nobel Prizes: Literature: 1910 - Paul Heyse 1927 - Henri Bergson 1958 - Boris Pasternak 1966 - Shmuel Yosef Agnon 1966 - Nelly Sachs 1976 - Saul Bellow 1978 - Isaac Bashevis Singer 1981 - Elias Canetti 1987 - Joseph Brodsky 1991 - Nadine Gordimer World Peace: 1911 - Alfred Fried 1911 - Tobias Michael Carel Asser 1968 - Rene Cassin 1973 - Henry Kissinger 1978 - Menachem Begin 1986 - Elie Wiesel 1994 - Shimon Peres 1994 - Yitzhak Rabin Physics: 1905 - Adolph Von Baeyer 1906 - Henri Moissan 1907 - Albert Abraham Michelson 1908 - Gabriel Lippmann 1910 - Otto Wallach 1915 - Richard Willstaetter 1918 - Fritz Haber 1921 - Albert Einstein 1922 - Niels Bohr 1925 - James Franck 1925 - Gustav Hertz 1943 - Gustav Stern 1943 - George Charles de Hevesy 1944 - Isidor Issac Rabi 1952 - Felix Bloch 1954 - Max Born 1958 - Igor Tamm 1959 - Emilio Segre 1960 - Donald A. Glaser 1961 - Robert Hofstadter 1961 - Melvin Calvin 196 2 - Lev Davidovich Landau 1962 - Max Ferdinand Perutz 1965 - Richard Phillips Feynman 1965 - Julian Schwinger 1969 - Murray Gell-Mann 1971 - Dennis Gabor 1972 - William Howard Stein 1973 - Brian David Josephson 1975 - Benjamin Mottleson 1976 - Burton Richter 1977 - Ilya Prigogine 1978 - Arno Allan Penzias 1978 - P eter L Kapitza 1979 - Stephen Weinberg 1979 - Sheldon Glashow 1979 - Herbert Charles Brown 1980 - Paul Berg 1980 - Walter Gilbert 1981 - Roald Hoffmann 1982 - Aaron Klug 1985 - Albert A. Hauptman 1985 - Jerome Karle 1986 - Dudley R. Herschbach 1988 - Robert Huber 1988 - Leon Lederman 1988 - Melvin Schwartz 1988 - Jack Steinberger 1989 - Sidney Altman 1990 - Jerome Friedman 1992 - Rudolph Marcus 1995 - Martin Perl 2000 - Alan J. Heeger Economics: 1970 - Paul Anthony Samuelson 1971 - Simon Kuznets 1972 - Kenneth Joseph Arrow 1975 - Leonid Kantorovich 1976 - Milton Friedman 1978 - Herbert A. Simon 1980 - Lawrence Robert Klein 1985 - Franco Modigliani 1987 - Robert M. Solow 1990 - Harry Markowitz 1990 - Merton Miller 1992 - Gary Becker 1993 - Robert Fogel Medicine: 1908 - Elie Metchnikoff 1908 - Paul Erlich 1914 - Robert Barany 1922 - Otto Meyerhof 1930 - Karl Landsteiner 1931 - Otto Warburg 1936 - Otto Loewi 1944 - Joseph Erlanger 1944 - Herb ert Spencer Gasser 1945 - Ernst Boris Chain 1946 - Hermann Joseph Muller 1950 - Tadeus Reichstein 1952 - Selman Abraham Waksman 1953 - Hans Krebs 1953 - Fritz Albert Lipmann 1958 - Joshua Lederberg 1959 - Arthur Kornberg 1964 - Konrad Bloch 1965 - Francois Jacob 1965 - Andre Lwoff 1967 - George Wald 1968 - Marshall W. Nirenberg 1969 - Salvador Luria 1970 - Julius Axelrod 1970 - Sir Bernard Katz 1972 - Gerald Maurice Edelman 1975 - Howard Martin Temin 1976 - Baruch S. Blumberg 1977 - Roselyn Sussman Yalow 1978 - Daniel Nathans 1980 - Baruj Benacerraf 1984 - Cesar Milstein 1985 - Michael Stuart Brown 1985 - Joseph L. Goldstein 1986 - Stanley Cohen [& Rita Levi-Montalcini] 1988 - Gertrude Elion 1989 - Harold Varmus 1991 - Erwin Neher 1991 - Bert Sakmann 1993 - Richard J. Roberts 1993 - Phillip Sharp 1994 - Alfred Gilman 1995 - Edward B. Lewis TOTAL: 129 ONE HUNDRED TWENTY NINE! Muslims and anti-Semitic Islamic sympathizers would claim these statistics prove how discriminated against the Muslim community really is. Before you go and start hysterically ranting about how racist this list is, keep in mind it is only to show by comparison the emphasis placed on art, education, science, and the advancement of mankind by these two groups. It is not that Muslims are intellectually inferior, it is that Islam is only interested in Islam and anything that is not Islamic is not encouraged and in many instances, it is outright forbidden. Muslims are quick to point out how advanced the Islamic culture was 1000 years ago and how European Christians (and Jews) were behind Muslims in technology. This is certainly not the case now. The Industrial Revolution practically bypassed the entire Muslim world as though they did not exist. If not for the discovery of oil by American and British scientists and the advanced technology to drill for oil from Western Cultures, Muslims would not be living the elegant lifestyle they live in Saudi Arabia, Qutar, Kuwait, and the other rich oil producing Muslim countries. Muslim countries produce very little, if anything, in terms of high technology as compared to the Western World. The high standard of living they have is due to Western Culture and the oil rich land they have. The world runs on oil and they happen to control one of the many supplies, which they often hire Westerners to build, operate, and maintain. They produce no airplanes, automobiles, computers, medical, or scientific advancements. They produce little to nothing that advances civilization and mankind. They send their students around the world to Western Universities for higher education. They import most of their food. The only thing they produce in abundance is Islam. Without the "Infidels" providing all of the high technology they use in their everyday lives, they would live a pretty meager existence. The Jews are NOT promoting brain washing children in military training camps, teaching them how to blow themselves up and cause maximum deaths of Jews and other non Muslims ! The Jews don't hijack planes, nor kill athletes at the Olympics, nor blow themselves up in German restaurants. There is NOT one single Jew that has destroyed a church. There is NOT a single Jew that protests by killing people, The Jews don't traffic slaves, nor have leaders calling for Jihad and death to all the Infidels. Perhaps the world's Muslims should consider investing more in standard education and less in blaming the Jews for all their problems. Muslims must ask 'what can they do for humankind' before they demand that humankind respects them!! |
[quote author=bashy_demy link=topic=821784.msg9849510#msg9849510 date=1325076103]All this are gilberish were you there when the bomb was planted? can you tell me if those that plant the bomb there are boys or girls? are they old or young chaps y[b]ou cannot proof that only listen to this silly media that was own by Xtians[/b] in other to bring Islam down they have failed, Am glad the man that bomb onyakhilome Office was alive and prrof shows he was a Xtians this would have blame it on Muslims[/quote] Ha ha ha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Check the links I provided, One of them is from Thisday Newspapers, the reporter is Seriki Adinoyi - a Muslim http://allafrica.com/stories/201012250002.html http://allafrica.com/stories/201101010009.html This other is Daily Trust Newspapers owned and operated by Muslims! You guys find it hard to admit facts that is why its so impossible to deal with some Muslims! http://weeklytrust.com.ng/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=7966:explosion-nation-a-timeline-from-oct-1st-2010&catid=41:news&Itemid=30 |
just search for LagoShia on Nairaland and you will see that he hardly stays on one thread, regurgitates his claims even if they are answered, changes topics when cornered, insults people even when he claims he loves Christians, picks verses in isolation and presents them I think he is not interested in a debate. He wants to ridicule. I am compiling questions on the Prophet Mohammed (saw). i hope LagoShia will answer and not insult me or worse dodge the questions. |
LagosShia:Insults again! You never tire to regugitate your claims of Bible inaccuracies, but you are reluctant to answer these simple fallacies of the Quran. Why should Muslims be annoyed of questions regarding contradictions in the Quran? you stated your own, let me start mine I still have more. |
Knight1: plappville:Ok, I get your point. My questions suspended. I was ready to release the most damning contradictions, but as requested by your humble selves, I will chill ![]() |
LagosShia:God hates yes. But what does he hate? Read the Chapter in anywhere that hate is mentioned; be it sin, actions or what? Why shouldnt you be interested in why? You are funny! ''WHY?" is a very important factor. This is why we keep asking ourselves WHY? Its fundamental in Christianity: WHY did God choose to save us not to destroy? WHY are we offered salvation ? WHY? WHY? WHY? Christianity agrees to questions, unlike Islam that "WHY?" is a taboo! No questions! If you dont ask WHY, how can you learn? "Why" is why science advanced, Why Christianity is not forced on you, You ask WHY and follow your conscience. OK? Islam too does not ask us to strike anyone's neck for it to be established CHAI, OK LagoShia, I now know you don't read or research the Quran well enough. Let me help you AGAIN (for the last time!): (i)When you meet the unbelievers, smite their necks, then when you have made wide slaughter among them, tie fast the bonds, then set them free, either by grace or ransom, until the war lays down its burdens. - 47:4 (different translation) When you meet the unbelievers in the battlefield, strike off their heads, and when you have laid them low, bind your captives firmly. (ii) Slay them wherever ye find them and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for[b] persecution is worse than slaughter[/b]. - 2:191 (Yet Christians are persecuted in Saudi, Pakistan and other Islamic countries, What Irony) (iii) Fight against them until idolatry is no more and Allah's religion reigns supreme. ( - Sura 2:193 and 8:39 (iv) Fighting is obligatory for you, much as you dislike it. - 2:216 (different translation: ) Prescribed for you is fighting, though it is hateful to you. (No option for the squirmy) (iv)But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever you find them. - 4:89 (v) It is not for any Prophet to have captives until he has made slaughter in the land. - 8:67 (vi)When the sacred months are over, slay the idolaters wherever you find them. Arrest them, besiege them, and lie in ambush everywhere for them. - 9:5 (vii) Allah has cursed the unbelievers and proposed for them a blazing hell. - 33:60[b] (Contrast with Christ teachings. God loves unbelievers and he don't want them to perish but to have salvation)[/b] (viii) Unbelievers are enemies of Allah and they will roast in hell. - 41:14 (Contrast with Christ teachings. God loves unbelievers and he don't want them to perish but to have salvation) (ix) Make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites and deal sternly with them. Hell shall be their home, evil their fate. - 66:9 (Contrast with Christ teachings asking his disciples to go to the world preaching with nothing but their staff and clothing, preaching salvation) (x) The unbelievers among the People of the Book and the pagans shall burn forever in the fire of hell. They are the vilest of all creatures. - 98:51 (How could God's most superior creatures- humans- be the vilest? Ah I don't understand. Please LagoShia explain) The noted British historian De Lacy O'Leary wrote:I will not quote people here because it will be based on their prejudiced views. I have thousands, from Mark Gabriel, to Dr. Marwan to so many historians, archaeologist and thinkers who view Islam negatively. But that would hurt you further (for e.g. i start quoting Salman Rushdie or other people who have irrational hate of Islam), that will not be an even debate. My goal is not a hate debate but a rational sane one devoid of calling people cockroaches and the like (as you have) Lets stick to the Bible and the Koran which are the basis for these two faiths. Luke 19:27Look at the background to the story.He was telling a parable (as I said before, these are stories that carry important messages). Let me reproduce the chapter; The Parable of the Ten Minas 11 As they heard these things, he proceeded to tell a parable, because he was near to Jerusalem, and because they supposed that the kingdom of God was to appear immediately. 12 He said therefore, “A nobleman went into a far country to receive for himself a kingdom and then return. 13 Calling ten of his servants, he gave them ten minas, and said to them, ‘Engage in business until I come.’ 14 But his citizens hated him and sent a delegation after him, saying, ‘We do not want this man to reign over us.’ 15 When he returned, having received the kingdom, he ordered these servants to whom he had given the money to be called to him, that he might know what they had gained by doing business. 16 The first came before him, saying, ‘Lord, your mina has made ten minas more.’ 17 And he said to him, ‘Well done, good servant! Because you have been faithful in a very little, you shall have authority over ten cities.’ 18 And the second came, saying, ‘Lord, your mina has made five minas.’ 19 And he said to him, ‘And you are to be over five cities.’ 20 Then another came, saying, ‘Lord, here is your mina, which I kept laid away in a handkerchief; 21 for I was afraid of you, because you are a severe man. You take what you did not deposit, and reap what you did not sow.’ 22 He said to him, ‘I will condemn you with your own words, you wicked servant! You knew that I was a severe man, taking what I did not deposit and reaping what I did not sow? 23 Why then did you not put my money in the bank, and at my coming I might have collected it with interest?’ 24 And he said to those who stood by, ‘Take the mina from him, and give it to the one who has the ten minas.’ 25 And they said to him, ‘Lord, he has ten minas!’ 26 ‘I tell you that to everyone who has, more will be given, but from the one who has not, even what he has will be taken away. 27 But as for these enemies of mine, who did not want me to reign over them, bring them here and slaughter them before me.’” Get it? |
[quote author=bashy_demy link=topic=821784.msg9847713#msg9847713 date=1325056578]Then Jesus of the bible most be living in denial then. This verses below says otherwise Matthew 15:22-24: 22And, behold, a woman of Canaan came out of the same coasts, and cried unto him, saying, Have mercy on me, O Lord, thou son of David; my daughter is grievously vexed with a devil. 23But he answered her not a word. And his disciples came and besought him, saying, Send her away; for she crieth after us. 24But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel. [/quote]What I also notice with you is that your allegations and questions that have been answered , you repeat them again and again. Check other threads by you, these have been answered. I would recommend to others that when these questions come up, kindly provide a link to the answers. I suspect that these guys are being mischievous. |
LagosShia: Again insults from a man (boy?) who claims to love Christians and want to lead them to the light! As I proved from the Quran, you are not capable of loving ![]() copy and paste the answersAre they not true? Tell me the quaotations from the Quran are wrong! ![]() [quote author=bashy_demy link=topic=821784.msg9845804#msg9845804 date=1325020841]^^^ when are you going to get sense? I have read all you wrote and they said Boko haram claimed where is the video take they use to claim it, did they just send letter or what to claim it, By the grace of God, we are responsible for all the attacks today (Sunday)" he said. "What we did was a reminder to all those that forgot the atrocities committed against our Muslim brothers during the Eid-el Fitr celebrations in Jos. Many Muslims were killed but the Federal Government and the international community maintained sealed lips," he said. did you read that part? did any of you fools condemn the act then? and beside most of the people who died like the Asst commisioner of Police and of the Mopol are Muslims so this should you idiots full ideal the the attack of BH is not only on xtians but the attack anybody either Mulims,Xtians,Judaism, Paganism etc[/quote] Who placed a Bomb at a Shopping center in Jos on Christmas eve 2010? Was that before or after Sallah? Let me remind you, a bomb was placed in a shopping center on Christmas eve that killed many. The local boys retaliated on Sallah day. Lets concede it was a local Jos problem now exported! Infact who started the terror campaign? Muslims! Go to the history of the Jos crisis in 2006. They said a woman crossed in front of a mosque and boom, Churches women and children went up in flames. Unfortunately for you, jos boys are getting fed up and retaliating (which is totally unChristian but you will not agree to that, on your own part you will say Christians did it and Boko Haram actions are unislamic! What irony!) http://www.tribune.com.ng/sat/index.php/front-page-articles/2874-xmas-eve-tragedy-bomb-blasts-in-jos-many-killed.html http://allafrica.com/stories/201012250002.html http://allafrica.com/stories/201101010009.html |
[quote author=bashy_demy link=topic=821784.msg9844589#msg9844589 date=1325008039]@plappville i read and there is no one claim responsibility for the bomb or are you saying its the same muslim that attack there place of worship? if yes then why dint you believe Christians can also attack the church instead of blaming everything on Muslims[/quote]Are you in this country? http://www.sunnewsonline.com/webpages/news/national/2011/dec/28/national-28-12-2011-008.html http://allafrica.com/stories/201112270849.html http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/nigeria/8977493/Boko-Haram-claims-responsibility-for-Nigeria-attacks.html http://www.aljazeera.com/programmes/insidestory/2011/12/201112278118907580.html http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,2103163,00.html?xid=gonewsedit |
LagosShia:Obvoiusly LagoShia you dont read the Quran often enough. If you did you would have known that Muhammed (saw) was never sent as a mercy to Mankind. Seriously, Jesus preached mercy to mankind (Luke 6:36, Mat 5:7, James 2: 12-13) not Muhammed (saw) who was more concerned with Muslims. Also, Muhammed never lead sinners (and unbelievers) out of darkness; He had them killed.; (i) Qur'an 9:005: So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them; surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful. (What kind of mercy is THAT? CONVERT OR DIE? IF GOD IS MERCIFUL, I SHOULD NOT BE KILLED IN THE FIRST PLACE!!!!!!!! (ii) 6:12 He [Allah] has inscribed [prescribed] for himself (the rule of) mercy. 6:35 , If it were Allah's will, He could gather them together unto true guidance. , If it is Allah's will that some perish, if it is his will that some are not guided as 6:35 clearly says, how can aya 12 of the same sura be true, that He has prescribed mercy for Himself? Is it merciful to lead astray as it is said in 14:4 Allah leads astray whom he pleases, and he guides whom He pleases, , (iii) , raised a barrier in front of them and a barrier behind them, and have covered them over so that they are not able to see [the truth]. Whether you warn them or do not warn them, it is all the same; they will not believe. (36:9-10) Why would God prevent some from seeing the truth if he is merciful so please save yourself from christianity.dont be blinded by hate.we love you christians.it only takes one sentence to become a muslim and attain salvation unlike in christianity where your god had to kill his "only begotten son"I doubt you love Christians. You have insulted some here. if you love Christians as you claim, all these name calling would not be here, you would try to project Islam first and why it is the true path and not insult Christianity but I doubt if the Koran will allow that. I have never come across a verse that says love Christians! Even with the 25-12-2011 bomb blast, did you commensurate? No but making insinuations, rubbing salt to the wound. The Koran is clear about what Muslims should do to Christians or how to treat them so how can you truely, honestly say you love Christians; (i) Sura 9:29: “Fight against those who (1) believe not in Allâh, (2) nor in the Last Day, (3) nor forbid that which has been forbidden by Allâh and His Messenger (4) and those who acknowledge not Islam as the religion of truth among the people of the Scripture, until they pay the Jizyah [religious tax] with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.” (ii)Sura 5:51 says: “You who believe, do not take the Jews and Christians as allies: they are allies only to each other. Anyone who takes them as an ally becomes one of them – God does not guide such wrongdoers.” (iii) 9:123: “O you who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are close to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allâh is with those who are the pious.” (iv) Qur'an (5:80) - "You will see many of them befriending those who disbelieve; certainly evil is that which their souls have sent before for them, that Allah became displeased with them and in chastisement shall they abide." Those Muslims who befriend unbelievers will abide in hell. (v) Qur'an (3:28) - "Let not the believers Take for friends or helpers Unbelievers rather than believers: if any do that, in nothing will there be help from Allah: except by way of precaution, that ye may Guard yourselves from them, " (vi) Sura 3:118) - "O you who believe! do not take for intimate friends from among others than your own people, they do not fall short of inflicting loss upon you; they love what distresses you; vehement hatred has already appeared from out of their mouths, and what their bosoms conceal is greater still; indeed, We have made the communications clear to you, if you will understand. (vii) Sura 9.30 And the Jews say: Uzair is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away! (viii) Sura 3:56: “As to those who disbelieve, I will punish them with a severe torment in this world and in the Hereafter, and they will have no helpers." (ix) Sura 5:14: “And from those who call themselves Christians, We took their covenant, but they have abandoned a good part of the Message that was sent to them. So We planted amongst them enmity and hatred till the Day of Resurrection, and Allâh will inform them of what they used to do.” (x) Quran (3:151) - "Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority". and from the Hadith there are so many, but the Koran is my main source for now. So LagoShia, you cannot truly say you love Christians going by your efforts at discrediting the Bible and Jesus as well as what the Koran says. If you truly wanted converts, you should show respect for my feelings as a Christian and maturely tell me where you think I am wrong in my beliefs. We Christians don't get offended like you guys when it comes to discussing religion. Even if I don't agree. I will leave you with a healthy respect for Islam and for you, LagoShia. Thats is how it is done. As you can see, the Quran gives us no room to even talk. It says you should be wary of me, in fact, fight me till I pay Jizya. That how Islam came to west Africa, through force of the sword. On the other hand, Jesus himself said; (i) Matt 5:44 But I say, love your enemies! Pray for those who persecute you! (ii) Mark 12: 31 - 'YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF.' There is no other commandment greater than these." (iii) 1 John 4:20 If anyone says, “I love God,” and hates his brother, he is a liar; for he who does not love his brother whom he has seen cannot love God whom he has not seen. |
LagoShia Please answer these contradictions from the Quran (note aside from being contradictions, some are GROSS FALLACIES OF SCIENCE that a form one boy knows): Numerical contradictions There are many numerical contradictions in the Quran. Can God make so much error in doing simple calculations? How many days did it take to create Heavens and Earth ? Quran 7: 54 Your gurdian-Lord is Allah who created the heavens and earth in Six Days Quran 10: 3 Verily your Lord is Allah, who created the heavens and earth in Six Days Quran 11:7 He it is Who created the heavens and earth in Six Days Quran-25:29: He Who created the heavens and earth and all that is between, in Six Days The above verses clearly state that God created the heaven and Allah created the heaven and the Earth in 6 days. But the verses below stated- Quran 41: 9 Is it that ye deny Him who created the earth in Two Days ? Quran 41: 10 He set on the (earth) Mountains standing firm high above it, and bestowed blessing on the earth, and measured therein all things to give them nourishment in due proportion, in FOUR DAYS… Quran 41: 12 So He completed them (heavens) as seven firmaments in Two days and … Now do the math: 2(for earth) + 4(for nourishment) + 2 (for heavens) = 8 days; and not 6 days Similar mistakes you can see in the verse: Quran 4: 11 - 12 , and Quran 4: 176 in inheritance law. In these verses one can see the total property after adding all distributed parties adds up more than the available property, i.e., totals become more than 1 which are: 1.125 and 1.25. How come ? A gross mathematical errors, is not it ? Allah’s Days Equal to 1000 Years or 50,000 Years? Quran 22: 47 A day in the sight of the Lord is like a thousand years of your reckoning. Quran-32:5: To Him, on a Day, the space whereof will be a thousands years of your rekoning Quran 70: 4 The angels and the spirit ascend unto him in a day the measure whereof is Fifty thousands years. So, which one is it? Is the day of Allah equal to 1,000 earth years or 50,000 earth years? Sun-set and Sun-rise Koran teaches us that the Sun sets in a muddy spring: Quran 18: 86 Till, when he (the traveller Zul-qarnain) reached the setting-place of the Sun, he found it going down into a muddy spring… Quran 18: 90 Till, when he reached the rising-place of the Sun, he found it rising on a people for whom We had appointed no shelter from it. Serious scientific errors here! Firstly, it is scientifically accepted fact that, the Sun never go down in a muddy spring. Secondly, this seems to presuppose a FLAT Earth, otherwise how can there be an extreme point in the West or in the East? A sunrise there would be basically just the same as at any other place on this earth, at land or sea. It would still look as if it is setting “far away”. It does say, that he reached THE PLACE where the Sun sets and in his second Journey the place where it rises. A resting place for Sun!? Quran 36: 38 And the sun runneth on unto a resting place for him. That is the measuring of the Mighty, the Wise. Quran 36: 39 And for the moon We have appointed mansions till she return like an old shrivelled palm leaf. Quran 36: 40 It is not for Sun to overtake the moon, nor doth the night outstrip the day. They float each in an orbit. Where is sun and where is moon situated? Can anybody tell me how they could collide/meet/overtake each other? Are the sun and the moon neighbors to each other? I have the answer for this error: (eye observations) sun and moon traveling from east to west seemingly in the same Sky area or same path, without colliding, causing day and night etc. Allah hardly could imagine that all these phenomena are simply due to Earth’s rotation and NOT by Sun’s rotation. Sun is stationary for Earth, because earth is stuck in the sun’s Gravity, like we are stuck in earth’s gravity. Allah never says any where in the whole Quran that, EARTH ROTATES. Perhaps God could not feel earth’s rotation. A resting place for sun WAS CONFIRMED BY HADITHS? Sahih Bukhari Volume 4, Book 54, Number 421 Sahih Bukhari Hadiths: Abzur Ghifari (ra) narrated: one day Prophet Mohammad (pbuh) asked me, “Abzar do you know after setting where does Sun go?” I replied, I do not know, only Allah’s apostle can say better. Then Prophet (SA) replied, “After setting, the sun remains prostrated under Allah’s Aro’sh and waits for Allah’s command for rising again in the East. Day will come when sun will not get permission to rise again and Qeyamot will fall upon Earth”. Can anybody tell me what is it? It was the superstitious belief of ancient people reflected in the Quran and Hadiths by Allah. A 10-year-old boy would not tell such fairy tale story today. Why God Created Stars! Quran gives us further scientific knowledge by telling us that the stars were created by Allah as missiles to throw at the devils: Quran 67: 5 And We have (from of old) adorned the lowest heaven (sky) with lamps, and We have made such (Lamps as) missiles to drive away Satans… Quran 37: 6-8 We have indeed decorated the lower heaven (sky) with beauty (in) the stars, (for beauty) and for guard against all obstinate rebellious Satans. So they should not strain their ears in the direction of the Exalted Assembly but be cast away from every side. Thus, the stars are nothing but missiles to throw at devils so that they may not eavesdrop on the heavenly council. Once again this is superstitious weirdness. Does Earth Spread Out Like Carpet (flat)? Quran 15: 19 And the earth We have spread out (like a carpet); set thereon Mountains firm and immovable; Quran 78: 6-7 Have We not made the earth as a wide expanse, And the mountains as pegs (anchor)? Allah was sure that earth is flat like a carpet and mountains are there to anchor the earth so that earth does not shake with us. Of course we now know better! Thank God for America and Russia (Non Muslim Countries) that we now know better else we would still be arguing with the likes of LagoShia about whether the earth is flat or not. More coming tomorrow! |

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