₦airaland Forum

Yes it is true, unfortunately.

selingel:
It has not gotten to this point of calling people names, he is just trying to express his opinion. Lets say it without any fear of favour. Mr. Jonathan has failed!!!. He has failed in the area of allowing OBJ to use him. If Jonathan then becomes the full president, then we shall return the to the era of using government agencies, to hunt fellow political opponents. I did love Jonathan more than Yar'adua, but the events of Ibori's chase has killed that passion for him. Let him chase all corrupt leaders, both past and current. Having to say all that rubbish, about getting Ibori dead or alive, makes one now thing that there is another interior motive. Mr. President, is a fool, to allow himself to be used against Ibori. Fight corruption, on the grounds of corruption and nothing more, and you will get absolute people's support.

It is what it is. Jonathan is being used by Obasanjo more than any other group in the PDP can boast of. I wonder why people are getting excited about handing over power BACK to ex-president Obasanjo( If you are excited about Jonathan, understand that you are excited about Obasanjo). Did i hear someone say nothing has changed?

honestly, the last 5messages before this have accounted for my most hilarious moments on Nairaland!
I cant stop laughing.

tozi:
going through financial challanges and they ar

Members of Christ Embassy are kept so busy that as long as you are a member you can not visit your family. There is a compulsory meeting on monday 6pm to 9pm, Cell meeting on tuesday, church service on wednesday, general meeting on thursday, Man and women fellowship meeting on friday @ 6pm, morning prayers on saturday at 8 after prayers there are all sorts of meeting including follow-up meeting. Sunday is church service and after church is follow-up meeting and all this meetings are compulsory and you must bring offering money. On all this keep busy schedule where do you find time for your family or even to help kids with homework. When there is any other day to celebrate like valentine's day you are not allowed to celebrate because you will finish your money in something else either than funding their luxiourious life style and woolies food while South African's eat food from shoprite.

you've actually shed more light on the activities of CE. Is it me, or are these people exhibiting some serious commitment to the work?

YOU are HORRIBLE sir! (lol)

(sorry, if I had your email addy, i would sent have sent there instead)

@ All

sleekmike:
What have you been able to do since you left Christ Embassy.

Selah

@fyneguy @donnie
Is it me or is tinajohn here is reviewing the 'tsunamee' article, her actual comments are below the 'tsunamee' article in caps. only that she didnt use the NL tool to insert the article as a quote instead of copy and paste.

There was this 'christian' book(more like a pamphlet sha) I read about the queen of the coast, very disturbing I must say, it was in the late 80's I fink, maybe I was in JSS1 or so.

I was sooooo scared as that was the only intention of the writer, cos he didnt talk very much about salvation(if he did at all). He talked so much about water spirits, hair extensions, toilet wipes; how all this things come from the depth of the ocean, and of course advising not to use this things.
So much bondage he preached, yet i didnt give my life until like 15yrs later when i heard the gospel of love, a few days later a dear bro came to distribute few rhapsody of realities on my street, in my house and invited me to church . Albeit a small one of like 20members, but they were 'full of the Spirit'. interestingly, it was the same period of the persecution of CE

KunleOshob:
the way you also stated the above is even more nauseating. Are we meant to be looking out for a bunch of deluded freaks who have sold themselves to oyaks?

@Kunlerry
Ma men, it's totally up to ya what you 'look out for'

ttalks:
While some people got "healed" some others obviously got injured from the decending wheel chairs and crutches.

Actually, i thought that was funny (lol)

fyneguy:
and before their very eyes, the glory of the latter house continues to surpass the former (as the critics chose to live in the former)

U aint seen nothing yet!

@fyneguy @Donnie
lol. I dont think its the miracles, whether real or fake thats the issue with guys here. ITS THE WAY YOU TALK!!!

the more you keep saying it, the more they want to shut you up.

trully trully, they aint seen nothing yet!
our story has been told, we won all the time.
ours is the story of God's superlative grace.
predestination is at work in us.
His ability is at work in us!
look out world, we are on our way!!!

@donnie
brother, seriously not all of these posts require your response, you know nao, hearing is a gift, not everyone hears as you hear o!

@JJYOU
do people still go to cybercafes these days.

I personally will find a grown man ,typing long meaningless incoherent stories in a cybercafe in Nigeria during office hours very very dogdy!

kimba:
@ebonyman
why did you lol,

don't people tell lies to get into the spiritual work force?

i thought that was very funny

kimba:
which kinda experiences are you talking about? Spiritual experiences of Professional work experiences.

i cann't stop laughing!

@purefact

it's not godentap or goldentap, it G O L D E N T E R P (lol)

i didnt check your registration details. there's a counter right under your name for every post you put up newbie,

By all means PLEASE speak your mind, ceasyc did just that and how he managed to do so WITHOUT making conclusions for the readers, insighting hate, distrust and deliberate and careless defamation of character is the brilliant lesson to be learnt.

@purefact

like i said to you in your earlier post, you are trying too hard, oops sorry i didnt realise i was replying to Sir John, just that your writting pattern is unbelievably similar to his. Is it me or is anyone else wondering howcome this is your very first post on Nairaland if you've been following this thread as you said, and your name 'purefact' just says alot about trying too hard, but then, i may be wrong, but this is sure close.

@ Sir John
I forgot tell you that i really care about you.

@SIr John

the last time I responded directly to your post , i told you that I was totally convinced that you were totally convinced about the things that you were saying. That didnt mean you had the truth. It's just that I honestly think that you are very very hurt by what i dont know(it's not that you honestly believe this miracles were staged), and blinded by that hurt so much that you can only believe 'the way' you do.

How could anyone go to the healing school of Christ Embassy and say the things that you say? Mind you ,there's nothing anyone in this world or nairaland for for that matter would say to change your mindset. It's even of no use telling you that you are on your way to distruction. No offence, but you exhibit so much hatred for the Man Pastor Chris wether you know it or not. i believe you are a born again christian and you believe you are doing the kingdom of God some special service, sincerely sweetie, you are wrong  and I feel very sad about this

. This things that you hold on to as knowlegde of the 'truth about the healing school of christ embassy' the more you express and stylishly try to defend them and  force them on the belief system of anyone that cares to listen in nairaland, i honestly commend, but the risk you are facing here is that its  becoming too obvious that we are dealing with hate , unbelief in miracles(i knw u'll say u believe in miracles) and irreversible stubborness of the heart.


On this recent post of yours i have a few questions(these questions really are for the sake of pple who read on this website, cos by now i can so predict how your mind works):

Does the healing sch of CEC claim that the sick folks brought these wheel chairs from home?

Are you not aware that prolonged illness of say diabetes  or even sickle cell can cause an individual to be bed ridden? what knowlegde are you now talking about?

When this people give their testimonies on the world wide web, terrestial and satellite TV, they would usually explain how the 'diabetes' or 'sickle cell' got them to  the point that they could not do what they could before e'g standing up and running. Also there would be a detailed explanation with graphics and all, of the kind of symptoms that usually accompany such illnesses by the medical team of the healing school. I said that to say that you should stop painting scenarios here because you wanna discredit the HS. ANYONE CAN PAINT ANY SCENARIO, but the fact is that people go to the healing sch with serious cases and come back completely healed and it's obvious to people who knew them before they went, and that my friend you cannot take away. Now this leads me to ask you to PLS stop the wickedness, cos you are really not a factor to the man Pastor Chris, but what about people who have hopes that they can be healed through Pastor chris, i think its just wicked of you to think you can sit on your computer and type away things that you knw can dissipate  their faith, what is your gain, what is the gain of these helpless pple. As 'knowledgeable as you are, why dont you think it appropriate to take the man Pastor Chris to court?
If you cant take him to court, give it the benefit of the doubt and write him a letter and take it to Christ embassy, you know where it is.

I apologise in advance if you happen to take offence, but i dont mind if you ignore my post really, cos you dnt have to reply every posts that disagree with you. Go out there and showcase the gifts of the Spirit of God in you, and you'll be too busy to ans every post abt Pastor Chris on Nairaland.

about my typos, we all do them from time to time :-)








one last thing

@biggodwin
brother, I praise you, because your five senses could not have successfully taught you these thots you share.  The holy Spirit is indeed the Spirit of truth. Blessed are the meek(you) for they shall inherit,

Isn't that the prayer of the Apostle paul for the church in Ephesus and indeed the brethren?

My prayer right now is that through this very post of yours, the power and essence  and purposeof the Spirit on earth be revealed to Nairalanders in the understanding of the realities of God's kingdom as demonstrated by christians and men of God alike, to the extent that the will of God that He has started in them (christians in Nairaland) may be carried out and completed without reporoach, so that these ones will be blameless and not found wanting when their work is tried;because it will be tried.


Amen

@Maddock, my dear brethren remember that scripture that pastor quotes:that whosever falls on this stone shall be broken and whosoever this stone shall fall on shall be crushed! this I have come to accept is the only scripture this 'pull Pastor Chris down by all means' people will fulfill, I'm sorry Maddock, but a certain individual here is beyond help and this individual knows this fact. There's no point doing this back and forth thing with such a person. you have no clue how much this individual is suffering!

@sirjohn, longtime o, how's business going? both spiritual and physical. meanwhile, no body has since come back from the healing school to confirm your stories. We have to wait for the next healing school session o, meanwhile PLS dont stop discouraging(sorry, i meant to say encouraging)people about the healing school of pastor chris.you know the more people you send there the better your chances of finding someone with a similar account to yours. hope you are having a fab week sha

@Kemisuga and KunleOshob

Pastor Chris Oyakhilome Phd is a Professor of Neumatics i.e [/i]the study of the human spirit through the light of God's word[i], hence the PHd

hi SirJohn,
thank you for your reply, and I am absolutely satisfied that you are totally convinced of what you say.

I hope you do not mind that I wont be answering your questions for the simple fact that there's nothing more to say to someone who's totally convinced


One thing i'll urge you to do is to please keep 'sending' more and morepeople to the healing school of Christ Embassy, as you've been doing, so that they can see the truth for themselves, I see it the way Jesus said if you're not against us, then you are for us.

God's not unfaithful to forget your labour of love you know

I'm female actually, but I know why you assumed otherwise


Regards

I have, but i didnt make such observations as you've described in your first post.

, and you are yet to answer any of MY questions, according to you they are 'the least intelligent on this thread and dumb', that my friend has not anwered the questions I have asked you, merely an observation from you, AGAIN!

If you ask me, I think you are evading my questions, whatever reasons you have for doing that, are they greater than your 'sense of responsility'?
Remember my friend that i dont know nothing about you apart from the posts you've put up here, so as far as I know, YOU ARE YOUR POSTS, and when I replied to your post , you came back sounding irritated.

maybe you expected only just two distinct reactions from people to your post:

you must be right cos \i have always questioned this fake miracles from pastor Chris i see on TV, I am on your side

OR

all you haters of pastor Chris you have come again o! I am not on your side.


what about those who have not thrown the farmiliar 'touch not my annointed' scripture as immunity for Pastor Chris at you? Because they know that fake men of God actually do exist and want to get to the end of this matter. They have been to the healing school (just incase you ask them to go there), and they have not seen what you have seen, yet want to reason with you , but you call them unintelligent and refuse to answer questions that point directly at you.

more and more it has become difficult for me to rule out the thought that you might just be angry at someone, some people, or some other motive

its like the method of junk magazines , they publish anything as long as people want to read, but are not willing to be probed themselves.

you are going to reply again but when you do ,go back to my first reply to your post and pls answer the questions I have aasked you and include it in your reply.


have a good day

Oh that was just to put a face to the post, you really dont have to show your face if you dont want to.

i'm just asking that you extend your 'sense of responsibility to me by answering my questions, also reveal the 'shocking' responses you got from these church leaders you have met.

so that we can decide for ourselves how shocking they are.

since you prefer the discussions on the thread, then by all means mention these leaders names.otherwise they will just be imaginary ones, if you know what I mean.

I am carrying out my own investigations and surely you can be of help yeah?

you cannt stop now that one more person wants to know the truth.I f you stop now many will be forced to believe that you dont want to be investigated, you just want people to take your word for it,

what say you?

@sir john
thanks for the complements
but you didnt quite answer my questions

i'd like to meet you, seriuosly

goldenterp

Hi all, sir John's quotes are in black and mine in red

Many have wondered and would like to know the truth about healing and miracle claims from the healing school of Christ Embassy. I’d like say a few things about the genuineness of these miracles which have sparked endless questions. What I’m about to say may sound shocking to you but it is the truth. it is a first hand account of my experience at the healing school.

I also have an experience with the healing ministry of Christ Embassy, but its nothin close to yours, for me I experienced a miracle and 'observed' that other people got healed.now question is since we have to opposing experiences, who should the readers believe?

What you see on loveworld videos/TV, especially miracle testimonies no matter how believable they appear, are simply what Pastor Chris and his TV crew wants you to see
ok this is suggesting to me that there's something else YOU want me to see, henceit is what YOU want me to see, (i'm simply using the same measure you have used to church the Christ embassy healing ministry to judge you.

. The truth is that a larger number of people including his pastors, partners and even you hardly ever know what goes on behind the camera scenes.

are these the same Pastors and partners you attended the session with? If so, only you saw what you saw? Or did any other pastor or partner at that particular session see what YOU saw? if so i'd like to know them, sure they care about the church of God/body of christ and will be willing to share THEIR  experience with me

I was at healing school May 2008 session and the discoveries I made blew my mind and shook the very foundation of my faith. I spent a total of 4 weeks at the healing (it had two sessions and each ran for two weeks) this period of time at the healing school afforded me the opportunity to observe certain unusual happenings which I must reveal.I have been a member and a consistent financial partner of the ministry since 2004. Pastor Chris Oyakhilome had been my role model, mentor, prophet and father

( when did u get born again, have you received the Holy spirit, did you attend the foundation school of the ministry, did you join any group, what was your designstion and who was your leader, and do you have a report of your activities in the group? also were you in another church before CE, if so where and why did u leave?, i'd like to have some kind of bacjground info abt you sir, hope u dont mind

. I have followed his teachings and doctrines to the letter so much that you couldn't talk with me for 10 Min's without knowing I was his follower.
it really shouldnt be up to 10mins, say 3mins more like, if you've followed  the teachings to the letter.

I had taken someone who was wheelchair bound as a result of spinal cord injury to the Healing school with hope that Pastor Chris would minister to him at the end of the session (at least this is what I was made to believe from several healing school publications) but this was not to be, and the events that followed were shocking and beyond my imagination.

( As a memeber of the ministry who was very involved, i would have expected that you would have spoken to you leader about this person you brought to the healing school, BEFORE and after you both atended the session, no? what did your leader make of your 'observations'?

After the first session, there was to be a healing service where the students having received faith to be healed, were put on the healing line to be ministered to by Pastor Chris. This was where my questions started. The reason is that not only did we not make it to the healing line but several other folks with obvious physical disabilities were also not put on the healing line. I made efforts to find out the criteria for the selection that was made;

(what was your approach to 'finding out'? could you tell us more about that

this was what I found out:
I discovered that all wheelchair cases taken to the healing line for ministration were people whose conditions were not such that they couldn't stand or walk. in other words, the people you see popping out of wheelchairs  in those videos can both previously stand and walk.
i.e they didnt need to be at the healing school? hmm, so where did they come from?

They are carefully selected through a process I will discuss later.

Secondly, to my utter amazement, I also discovered that several other people whom I had seen on different occasions walking around the hall unaided and without any sign of pain or disability during the two weeks session were put on wheelchairs or made to lie on stretchers during this healing service.

(are you saying you studied these people from day one that you got to the healing school? you should have been focused on hearing the word of God that was being given to you guys , to have least have faith for your invalid, but anyway did you approach any one of them to ask questions.if so, what did you ask them and what did they say to you?

After much waiting, the “Man of God” walks in touching every one on the healing line and then proceeds to the wheelchair section; with one touch here and there he instructs them to get up “and they do” wild shouts of excitement reverberated across the auditorium as partners and pastors who have been specially invited to witness the miracles jumped for joy. I felt like sinking through the solid ground, I couldn’t believe my eyes. Once in a while I would utter a word of prayer, I’d say: “Lord please don’t let this be what I think”

I remember a particular man who came for that session; he had been involved in a motor accident which left him with a spinal injury. He had difficulty walking normally because he couldn’t bend both knees while walking (I had seen him walking) he came with a neck guard and two crutches to support himself p. I observed that two days after coming to the healing school, he started exercising his faith by moving around without the neck guard and crutches, that was how he moved around for two weeks. During the healing service, I was shocked to see the same man with his neck guard and crutches which he hadn't used for two weeks.

so you are saying he got healed the 1st day at the healing school, why didnt he leave? was he waiting for someone or something that he believed the healer would transfer to him e.g the healing annointing, cos i think if he got healed day one since you said he hadnt used the stuff for two weeks, why would he continue for 2wks?

Pastor Chris prayed for him and took the neck guard off as though it was a big deal
''As though it was a big deal' sounds to  me like you conclude that pastor Chris was acting hence ur mind saw it like that

, the congregation applauded and stood to their feet as he went on to take the crutches from the man; he then asked the man to walk. The man obviously walked but not any better than he had walked for two weeks without Pastor Chris praying for him.

After the service, as the partners left the hall, the students and the “healed” were asked to wait behind. I observed that one of the two ladies who got out of the wheelchair half an hour ago(but she did get out of her chair) quietly sat back in her wheelchair with a pale look on her face, the people who brought her all the way from Benin didn't seem like they had seen a miracle; this puzzled me more.
i thought you said 'all the wheelchair cases t brought to the fron were not such that they couldnt stand or walk'

if people on the wheel chair were supposed to be actors how come she ddnnt just get up like nothing was wrong with her in the first place?

The borrowed wheelchairs were returned to the real owners as I looked with great surprise.

Please see the link below:
http://www.christembassyhealingschool.org/new/images/pdf/August2008.pdf
the lady in page 14 (in blue jacket) is the one I'm refering to in the last paragraph. She could both stand and walk before the ministration by Pastor Chris.

The young man in page 15 is reported to have been "unable to walk without a walking frame" yet I had seen him on many ocassions before the healing service walk around without that frame.

The woman in page 16 did not even come to the healing school with a wheelchair; the wheelchair you see does not belong to her

To be continued…[/color]


[color=#990000]sir John, you are believable, but your account is not sir. like i said this is what you want me to belive like you said this is what pastor chris and his people want us to believe, but at the end of the day, i am not you and I dont believe what someone wants me to believe, so you have not convinced me sir. But i would really appreciate if you can go further in your investigations of these miracles(i dont think u ever believed they were ever happening,that much i gathered  from your right up, so i dnt knw why u took a sick folk there in the first place)maybe change your methodology, u knw, come with your own graphics and be more sophisticated and we mighht just be convinced.Dont get me wrong i'm not saying you didnt see what you thought you saw, just help me to belive your story.

i dont know who you are , whats the integrity of these things you talked about her? it lies in the account you've given us. a very smart mind can decipher a few things about your write up,  can read inbetween the lines.especially if they understand the questions I hav asked you
I'm sure that if you expect us to not believe pastor Chris just like that, why should we believe you just like that.

Thanks Kiwi

Hi,

from the 28th of jan 2009,to register on that website, you need to have an invitation code given to you by an existing member of the group.

Would you help me out with that please


golterp

Hi Kiwi,

thank you soooo much for the link but i'm having a bit of a problem downloading the stuffs I want. Each time i click on a link it takes me to a page asking for log in details. What do I do now?

@ Kiwi


my email address is golterp@gmail.com

Hi Kiwi

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