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Thoniameek:
Scared? No! He won't hurt me, only the things that 'I' do hurt me and others

Fear? Yes! He's beyond my imagination

I guess that's why all you atheist can't believe or more like understand God, because he's beyond all that reason and logic that comes out of that limited brain of yours

Smh, so because I refuse to worship a man made god I automatically become an atheist... Is this what the curse from your god has reduced your brain capacity to?

Akpobaro:
read song of Solomon 1:5-6, and Job 30:30 in the Bible.

Guy you no try at all....smh. Show me your village folklore that depicts or narrates those stories/myths of those characters. Your evidence cannot come from one source ( holy babble) if you claim west africans are semitic. They ought to be massive evidence from their perspective that supports your claim.

With my little research, from the late 50s to the 90s. Even with the massive delusion of Nigerians referring to themselves as descendant of Abraham. I'm yet to see pulpit claims that ye is a semite or hamite. Clearly, in this same period of time african americans were subjected to this ham curse by their caucasians counterparts.

Today, with the influx of hebrew isrealites. Their claims of being semite challenges the curse of ham. Mind you, if you as an african from the west does not consider yourself to be a semite you automatically become a hamite or a sleeping semite that needs awakening. So Akpos, which other body of evidence do you have to support your claims without the holy babble..

Thoniameek:
Fear? What's that? I have only got perfect which casteth out all fear

I fear my God Almighty only
He can make and break me

Good thing you're scared of your god, if he can do that to his own son, hmmm. Atleast you know where you stand.

Demons are having a good time in hell... I see some sexual perversion happening. Before you know, the same god will begin to shout soddom and gomorah. Repent or else.... Errr Errr Errr... No water for you!!!!

Thoniameek:
As said earlier;

Whatever strokes your beards.....

Hell? Where's that? If there's a place like that, boo! I don't wanna know

Heaven tins loading.......... #focused

Why you dey fear na...?

If you believe in heaven that means to say hell things..

You believe in the late christ that means lucifer things..

Stop deluding yourself. You're cursed "ham things "..

Thoniameek:
Christ isn't late!

He's alive. Amen

Whatever strokes your beards.....

Your man don die tey tey... And you still carrying generational curse dey waka street dey form saved..

Anyhow sha, hell fire things. Get ready..

I just feel for the innocent wildlife getting bombarded because of some foolish humans seeking virgins in the afterlife... Fuvk!!!!

Thoniameek:
Op if feel oppressed it's in your head o

Christ lifted every curse over me on the cross of Calvary....

The lie you tell.... Why are you scared of going to hell..? Is it not because of punishment of Adam and Eve. Since you believe that shiiit, you're carrying a generational curse. Therefore, the late christ did not lift anything..

ghananotnaija:
There's no "we". I am Ghanaian, whose country is vibrant and promising, while you are from a country where despite great natural wealth, chaos, corruption, and incompetence reign. Ghana and Nigeria have nothing in common.

With all your gra gra wetin you dey find for Naija forum..

Meanwhile, wetin concern ghana government and Nigeria inside Biblical Ham...? Guy warn yourself..

Akpobaro:
bantu countries of west Africa, central Africa, and southern part of Africa are Shem(Hebrew Israelites ) and north Africa , Horn part of Africa are Ham

Akpos!!!! Did your forebears tell you this "historical story " or you read it in a foreign book that they rejected and considered to be an element of destructive influence.

ice25:
Yes , Relax their fears..... Then when they think all is well..... you cut off their heads on their sleep......

You don watch too much film......

Weah96:
Not that I don't fear, but the fear is not justified by common sense. Death comes to us all, regardless. It is inevitable. We don't fear sleep, and even if we did, it will be pointless, since we must all sleep. Death should be the same way.

People will fall asleep in the dungeon with wild lions in the cage next to them.

Word.!!!

Weah96:
I like this guy. Gatiano you need to be an inspirational speaker somewhere.

I concur, as long as he stops promoting spookism.

PabloAfricanus:
Dont credit yaself with posting references that only busted ya points.
Or rather dont praise yaself for posting historical accounts that hold no meaning to the discussion.
You quoted Jaja's 'trading' practices completely out of context...and attempted to cook up a mishmash of
unrelated facts to justify your argument...that a man nay a king who actually stood up to the greedy British is simply great
and not a hero.
Because according to you...he was a 'cut throat' bad business man...who should have allowed other profit
seeking business men to erode the margins on his commodities...
Cos apparently he did not bend over and hand over the control of his trading routes to the kind British...
He also did not allow hinterland traders direct access to the markets he controlled...
He also did not allow the wise British traders set the prices instead of him Jaja...
Even more importantly he completely monopolized the trade in a kingdom he founded and ruled...instead of
allowing other traders compete openly with him, crash his commodity prices, or sell at prices they choose to whomever...
The sheer naiveté of ya reasoning apparently eludes you...


Smh...insults wont win you any points in any discussion kiddo.
Show some civility atleast...
You could actually have proved you are the superior man by not resorting to insults.
But what do you know? Just a kiddo right?

Abeg, leave that ignoramus chimpanzee shouting mate, mate like this is a bristish gathering. He does not know how stupid he sounds. That's why all he had was to hide behind "historical facts" that did not support his foolish statement.

Abeg, leave the "mate"....

Nihilist:
Mate you really need to stop quoting me out of context.

You keep exposing a lack of intelligence, and comprehension skills.

If at this stage in the discussion, you are contending that Jaja was a hero merely because his 'people' say so, then you are so far back mentally, there is no point trying to drag you along.

I'm done with this.

And you say he is not a hero with what measurement..!?

Nihilist:
Great foresight for his people?

How?

Where?

Even presented with informed opinions from learned fellows of the field, backed by historical accounts, you continue to spout utter hogwash.

I'm done.

If you like you done or you cook that one na your own..

Meanwhile, there is something called critical thinking, which you clearly lack. After reading about history do you just accept it without question. So informed opinions can no longer be questioned ba?

King Jaja becomes a hero, when his people says so..not when historians point out his tactics of survival, his ego or personal interest. You read but you don't think.

Nihilist:
It seems that, like your friend earlier, you lack comprehension skills.

What Blame did I place anywhere?

I only pointed that Jaja was solely protecting his interests when he squared up to the British, and not protecting the interest of his people.

Was there a hostile takeover? Yes.

Did I give him props for being a business man? Yes.

Was he a nationalist hero? No

You lack foresight. This is an open book discussion and you're still failing. Wealth moved out of the country after he was exiled, Are you expecting him to use supernatural power to negotiate a hostile takeover . You need power and leverage to bargain. A leader that already shows great vision for his people. What did the bristish build after they ruled for 80 years..?

Nowadays, a police or soldier dies in the line of duty, he is considered a hero. And a man that defended his vision and lived it, you want to call a greedy businessman.. " smh..

Nihilist:
Mate Hitler was celebrated by his people so that doesn't mean much.

Being a successful businessman does not make you a hero.

Otherwise Dangote, Cosmas Maduka, and Theophilus Danjuma are positively heroic.

Smh, are this people you mentioned representing a people or community..!?

In regards to hitler he remains a hero to his people. Go study why he started annexing other european countries. Simple resources control. Germany did not get her share of world War 1. The German economy was in ruins. Hitler simple wanted his share of the bounty. You're not looking at the big picture. After world War 2, what were europeans sharing.? The african bounty. You are looking at the means he used to make him less a hero. But forgetting that he was trying to collect what was due. Why do you think germany was allowed to flourish after world War 2..? Think man... Follow the money. It's all about resources..

Nihilist:
Mate your arguments are just hilarious.

Jaja signed away Opobo's sovreignty showing that he was not really opposed to a British Political Takeover.

That already rules out your theory that Jaja was some sort of bastion of indigenous rule.

The only thing Jaja is recorded opposing is an action that directly impacted on his finances.

your trickle down economics theory is not supported by the historical facts. Jaja was not an employer of labour. Jaja was not a producer. Jaja was not creating jobs or wealth. Jaja was not an industrialist. If I am wrong, produce some historical evidence to that effect.

Jaja was a wholesaler who forced farmers to sell to him on his terms,before selling that on for a profit.

Stop trying to over intellectualize an issue that only calls for common sense.

Good business man. Not a Hero

Lmao!!! The issue here is if he was/ a hero... A good business man who was celebrated by his people and upon his death, they demanded for his remains and gave him a kings burial.

That tells you that any PHD thesis on the subject matter does not take away his heroic accomplishment. Till this day, he is remembered for his accomplishment by his people for his heroic endeavor.

You talk about hostile takeover and you still blame Jaja for protecting his interest. You just dey throw words around anyhow..

Nihilist:
Mate your arguments are just hilarious.

Jaja signed away Opobo's sovreignty showing that he was not really opposed to a British Political Takeover.

That already rules out your theory that Jaja was some sort of bastion of indigenous rule.

The only thing Jaja is recorded opposing is an action that directly impacted on his finances.

your trickle down economics theory is not supported by the historical facts. Jaja was not an employer of labour. Jaja was not a producer. Jaja was not creating jobs or wealth. Jaja was not an industrialist. If I am wrong, produce some historical evidence to that effect.

Jaja was a wholesaler who forced farmers to sell to him on his terms,before selling that on for a profit.

Stop trying to over intellectualize an issue that only calls for common sense.

Good business man. Not a Hero

Lmao!!! The issue here is if he was/ a hero... A good business man who was celebrated by his people and upon his death, they demanded for his remains and have him a kings burial.

Nihilist:
What kind of weak argument is this?

Jaja was removed, what suggests to you that the traders of Opobo were worse off?

*faints*....!!!!! Smh


Slippery slope bro, Colonization Happened... Mind you we are not guessing the future. This already happened. The rich african men of that era leading up to 1914 were merchants not farmers.

Trickle down economy happened, monopoly continued. The well to do african merchant that dealt directly with bristish businessmen set his own price with the locals. Now from one middle man they now have 2 middle men. Whose profit do you think will be shaved..?

Study simple economics....

Nihilist:
Like your friend who keeps quoting me out of context, you keep missing the point.

I am firmly focused on the era. Maybe I should break it down for you so that what is already simple might become apparent.

1. Jaja forced all Palm oil farmers in the opobo region to sell their produce to him alone, leaving him free to dictate the buying price. If a farmer chose not to sell to Jaja, that farmer had no access to the British market.

2. Jaja prevented the British traders from buying from farmers, leaving him free to dictate the selling price. The only way for a British trader to access Opobo oil was through Jaja.

3. He did not resist the offer of a protectorate, but he resisted British attempts to bypass him as a middle man and deal directly with producers.

Good business, but what is heroic about that?

Exactly..!!! You've eyes but you can't see.

What happened after the bristish took over..? Did the farmers benefit from direct access to the British market. Did the bristish not set their own price. Did the bristish let the farmer trade with other countries directly. The end result was still monopoly. From fry pan to fire..

The destructive aspect is that the whiteman now controls the destiny of the so called protectorate. Which has led to the destruction of the independent civilization of King Jaja struggles. There lies his heroism. For he had foresight and he defended it..

Nihilist:
Building a school does not make you a hero. There is nothing in the article that suggests that he wasn't running the school as yet another business.

Mate, there is no reasonable argument for a monopoly. You deliberately block your fellow traders from access to the market but claim you're acting in their interest?



Are you even reading what you're writing?

The only thing Jaja fought was free trade in his dominions. Read the article again, that was the one thing he absolutely refused to cede, even after submitting Opobo as a protectorate.

Stop adding your own version to history...

Look at the "Era" we're discussing. For crying out loud. Foreign power forced down their offer down your throat in guise of protectorate. You ignore that part and worry about monopoly.. Really!!!!!!

Nihilist:
Nothing you posted up there invalidates my simple post that Jaja was a greedy businessman and not a hero.

The hero that built schools to educate his populace while protecting them from destructive influence from foreign religion. Also, by him defending his personal wealth he was also protecting the common interests of the interlands. We all know what happened when the bristish empire took over and colonized us...

Look at our present reality in the 21st century. What he fought against is now what has crippled us. Destructive influence everywhere.. We're like sitting ducks.

Macroeconomics bro.... Understand the micro and the era then you will understand the macro.

Phut:
Run where?
I am not going to engage in any useless back and forth with you. In the post I originally quoted, you took great pleasure in highlighting only the "perceived" negatives. An objective person would state the positives as well as any negatives, seeing as no one is perfect.

And as to your slave trading claims where is your proof? When did he rise to become King and when was slave trading abolished? Mind you this is a man that died in 1891. He became leader of the Ana Pepple house in 1863 and became King much later (closer to 1870)

Slavery was completely abolished by the UK in 1843 and by the U.S in 1865. Again, where is your proof that he traded slaves? The article talks about trade in Palm produce

Don't mind him, he is just eager to regurgitate his beer parlour talk...

A man that understood the importance of secular education and the destructive influence of Christianity that he sought to educate his populace is one, that one small rat calls a greedy businessman. Clearly, ignoring the era this circumstances took place.

Nihilist:
There's a difference between being great and being a hero.

Dangote is great, but how is he a hero?

By all accounts, Jaja was a great man...but no hero.

This is a man who was intimately acquainted with the horrors of slavery, but chose to perpetuate that evil institution, when he could have played a part in stopping it, by virtue of his high position.

A former slave turned slave trader is the epitome of greed, and you cannot reasonably say that he would have been interested in ensuring fair prices in a free market.

What you see in that article is a hostile takeover that happened 200 years ago.

The only moral of the story is the danger of an unregulated economy.

Kindly go and study up on african type slavery versus europeans /transatlantic slavery. Reading up on this article it talks about slaves earning higher recognition than non slaves in regards to merits. So calm down with this your useless "greedy businessman " statement.

You want to hold him up to standards that even today's Europe and America cannot boasts of genuine free trade. Mangoes to mangoes bro, not mangoes to oranges...

naijadeyhia:
I see you have a problem with reading and understanding. Read my post again. Perhaps you need to read it 10 times before understanding dawns on you.

"feelings were put by God to serve His purpose but the devil distorted them"

Who allegedly created all things.. This motherfuvker you call god... Need I say more... Abi was it another god that created devil/evil..

If the shiiit head can stop evil but chooses not to, then the blame lies on him, not his alleged creation. Your god is overly dramatic... Acting like a little biiitch..

Jonwesley:
Yet you claim that the zeal of the lord has consumed you on your profile. That to me shows a confused "christian", period!

All christians are totally confused.

Proof: The overwhelming amount of denominations inspired by holyspirit..