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plaetton:
One of the things that I regret is that my aunt died when i n secondary school. Non of her children were interested in craft because they had been poached away by Catholicism and evangelical Christianity.
So whatever skills, knowledge and extra- dimensional contact died with her.

I had always regretted that I was neither interested enough nor mature enough to have asked her to bequeath her knowledge and skills to me.

I often wonder what I would have discovered, using the scientific method, to study and approach her craft.

And this is my point.
There is way too much Shaff, too much superstition, and very very little core knowledge of the forces, the what, the how and why .

Therefore, the word juju, not being a practical science, is nothing better than primitive myths consumed by an ignorant scientifically illiterate society.

Noted...

Now how about we put the word juju asunder.

Does prostitution of the word hinder the practical science involved in the craft..? Also, what other viable option do we have if the african context is garbage?

plaetton:
How do you know that I have no practical research or experience to support my claim ?

I have as much or even more eyewitness experiences with juju phenomena than perhaps you.

But it's not everything that we post online, especially when we are still trying to understand them and put them in proper perspective.

I had an aunt who was a herbalist/ spiritualist.
If I tell you my story , you would probably spend the rest of this thread mocking me.

Exactly, if we are trying to put it in proper perspectives. How come you already came to the conclusion that in the african context it's garbage... And by saying so, where do we then gather information from?

blueAgent:
Clown . if you are smart disprove it.show us .that all i have mentioned were existing here in Africa before they came.

Yeah, show me all that you mentioned that your masters were already flying Boeing 747 and using cellphones in the 1800 s....

Because of inferiority complex you can't think properly... Lolz

plaetton:
Because in every instance where it is discussed, it always tends to be more about the awe, the fear, the sense of foreboding, rather than the what, the How and the why.

But you have no practical research to support your claim. No layman explanations from traditional experts. Does that not make you guilty of primitive analysis..?

CoolUsername:
If you didn't have details then why were you trying to explain how it works?

You can't be serious.... You asked about the guy op gave account on. And you want me to give you specific details on the exact device he used.

A general explanation is not the same as specifics.

plaetton:
Thank you.

This is perhaps the best layman's explanation for juju.

To add to that, it is my opinion that juju and other occult practices are primitive , rudimentary Analogs of Quantum Physics.

I have written before that the human brain has been shown to have quantum physical properties, and therefore the mind, being a conduit between several realities, has the ability to recieves and transmits cosmic impulses outside of its physical locality.

Quantum physics is where the so-called spiritual phenomena and physics converge.

So, at the end of the day, just like Loj said earlier, juju and other speculative phenomena are still aspects of natural scientific phenomena , a higher physics that we are yet to empirical study and understand.

It shows that the universe is much more complex and that we only know so very little.

It does nothing to advance the case for a creator God, rather it makes a better case that our very complex universe evolves and runs independently on its own laws.

The problem with juju in the African context is that it has NON or very little catalogued knowledge attached to it.
It is 99.9% ignorant primitive superstition.

This makes an undue attachment to it impediments to scientific curiosity, rational thinking and rational actions.

How did you arrive at your 99.9 %.....?

CoolUsername:
If he toughened his skin, then why did machetes work on him?

You're asking about intricate details of a particular device that I do not know how it was made and it's coded functions...

The answer lies with your personal visit to an herbalist.

blueAgent:
Hypocrite. so why do you use the internet,Mobile handset,Wear clothes,go to School which is of western Education,drive cars,look for white collar jobs instead of Subsistenance farming like your ancestors did ,go to whiteman's discovered and established Health facilites,fly aeroplane,watch TV,use computers, e.t.c. the list is endless.

I want to be like successful people not people who have failed and will give up heaven as excuse rather than accept their fault.


Give me one major contribution you and your kind .have made to influence the whiteman or the world.

I don't need their acceptance. all i want is people (blacks)to think and change their attitude.


www.jamaicaobserver.com/columns/Racism-thrives-because-black-nations-fail-_19196594

Inferiority complex reloaded....!!! Yours is even worse. It is whiteman that gave you clothes.... Hahahahahaha..

kevoh:
Bullet proof vest makers have never claimed vests will do the impossible like charm users claim to. It does not make you Superman. It's without doubt glaring to the unbiased observer you'll get hurt if shot in exposed parts like the leg, hand, head or under the armpit even on the chest with the vest on if shot at close range.

While for the charm bullet proof makers, believers and users the popular opinion has always being you are impenetrable. Yoruba movies always depict this even the OP made mention of it . You on the other hand are coming with a new natural science spin (the first I'm learning ) which actually rubbishes and kills the popular held notion by believers and users and takes us back to square one that so called charms DO NOT WORK.

Exactly, movies, popular opinion and hearsay are your evidence....

So how do you think this devices are made? From spiritual and mystical components I presume. Not from natural substance. (that's science) Clearly you have not seen one or observed it's application. Therefore, your conclusion is simply a bias assumption grounded on mysticism.

The cool part of it all. Those who use it understand it's limitations.

CoolUsername:
How do the charms work, then? Bullets exert far more force than blades so why would the charms fail to stop blades? Guns are also a recent invention so are these charms that seem to be tailor-made to specifically stop bullets also recent?

What I see here is that OP probably saw a man who was wearing a bulletproof vest that could stop bullets but couldn't stop blades (which is exactly how kevlar vests work.)

I think maybe because we are using the word charm. It's creating some mysticism.

This is simply science it has nothing to do with spirit world. You can toughen your skin with different substance. Just like you can smooth, darken or lighten your skin with different substance. Same thing done differently through ingesting certain herbs and traditional injection.

But if you're asking about the intricate details involved in gun or knife charm. I don't know. I certainly do not pocess such knowledge.

kevoh:
Goosebaba, what exactly is your point? I'm having difficulty understanding it pls explain better... Is it that the traditional bullet-proof charm only protects half way as the individual will still get injured if hit or the individual is fully protected with the charm and nothing will happen?
If it's the former then what's the point of the charm?

First of all how does a charm look like..?

Same question what's the point of a bullet proof vest. a bullet proof vest cannot guarantee the wearer that a bullet will not go through the opening under his armpit, neck.

johnydon22:
First of all what exactly is western bullet proof vest? ... here is the difference.

-One vest is physical, shows tendency to catch bullets in certain covered areas and never for once claims a skin is impenetrable.
-the other is not, just claims impenetrable skin.

so how then can one compare a bullet proof vest and bullet proof charm. . .

If one is wearing a vest, we all see it that he is, just like me hiding behind a concrete wall from a bullet.

but here you are claiming an invisible wall, impenetrable bullet proof skin, and i don't even see how necessary it is for me to engage in such stark absurd squabble that honestly bears no point at all. none

And there you have it. Invisible wall. Lol..so you relegate something to spirit land and wonder why you cannot makes sense of it. Have you seen a bullet proof charm before? If no, then you're just running your mouth. Am I right or am I right...

Let me help you out here. Certain charms are made of natural substance that is then ingested. It's more like an athlete using performance drug it increases his/her performance. Or someone who is on meth/bath salt and get superhuman energy. I don't know how it activates. Maybe by sweat,increase in heartbeat or adrenaline. I don't know. This charm has to be renewed periodically to update its potency. Now tell me where is the invisible wall.? Where is the spiri spiri...

Also, there are other charms that are worn as vest under clothing. That constitutes as a physical attributes to the charms. No magic involved simply science.

I don't know why someone who uses this gadgets would turn around and ask johnydon22 to shoot him somewhere in his body...

johnydon22:
Tell me how a bullet proof vest is same as a charm... you see i am not here to argue over any of this juju nonsense.

when ever you claim to be bullet-proof by charm i will definitely get my own gun. point to me that exact area your charm is effective and i will shoot at it lets see how it doesn't penetrate .

Arguing over this bullshiit will be the last thing i'll do here.

Bros there's nothing to argue here...

When was the last time you used your own gun to shoot someone wearing a western bullet proof vest? When was the last time you physically observed someone wearing a bullet proof vest being shot point blank..?

I just want to understand...

plaetton:
There is a confusion about traditional medicine , occult practice and juju.
One is practical, one is theoretical and the third is mythical.

Yeah, just like a placebo effects. But when you relegate the whole concept of juju to a placebo effects. It ridicules the whole traditional concepts. There's science behind traditional concepts not everything is myth.

Traditional bullet proof is practical. I have observed a security guard come in for treatment after been shot by armed robbers. He was in extreme pain, crying like a little bitcch. But he was alive. That's all that matters.

plaetton:
If one can use charm to protect one's life, then shouldn't such protection be available in battle against one's enemies or existential threats?

A charm therefore provides a such protection against existential threat as a Bible or Koran does to a believer.
It's just another form of faith.

If juju cannot be useful to the Nigerian armed forces to hunt and eliminate the existential threat posed by Boko haram, then charms are nothing but myths.

And when police officers in western countries get shot with their bullet proof vest on and they die from their injuries.. Errmm that makes it a myth too.

There's nothing like perfection. One is only seeking protection but knows that the inevitable may occur at anytime...

johnydon22:
GrizzlyBear here is your second story



Now from this story the bolded part actually suggest that he was running and they were shooting and such unstable action as running you think cannot disrupt a shooting target?

here is my own story :

I live in a ghetto rugged part of Enugu so i'm pretty familiar with cult activities and all so i can relate to your story.

there was once a time some cult members were chasing another and were shooting at him but the bullets weren't penetrating.

Why?

The bullet seriously missed it's mark

Someone running at the same time shooting at another running has a very high chance of missing it's mark.

How then was the machete able to do it?

Are bullets not still metal as machete?

If your body is impenetrable by a piece of metal moving at almost the speed of light how then was one that is as slow as a human hand can penetrate?

That is absurd.

Missing the target doesn't equate impenetrable target.

I have always told people when ever you see someone claiming invincibility to a gun or machete, get your own gun place squarely on the fore head and do the test yourself.

Be ready to go to jail for murder

That's where you're wrong....

Bullet charm is not something you utilize and ask someone to shot you in the head. Bullet charm is to preserve during battle, it does not guarantee the user a win. When you see someone that has been shot and escapes, they're in serious pain, their only saving grace is that the bullet did not penetrate.

For example, do you walk up to a man putting on a bullet proof vest and ask to shoot him in his head. Even western bullet proof vest are not tested with high caliber weapons.

Elohim1:
HMMM SO WE HAD CHARM AND WE STILL ALLOWED THE WHITE TO ENSLAVE US OR WAS THEIR GUNS MORE POWERFUL THAN OUR CHARMS

Stop showcasing nonsense as meaningful something... Charms is to protect or preserve during battle. It's not meant to win battles, wars or negotiate forceful take over. Men still have to fight and die in battle...

plaetton:
Which medical practitioners?

Third world doctors , even when well trained, don't have modern medical equipment to quickly diagnose most modern diseases and cancers.

So, it's very easy for I'll equipped doctors to give up when ailments fall beyond the diagnostic capabilities of their equipments.

But how come we only hear this kind of stuff in semi primitive societies?

The key denominators being SUPERSTITION and technological challenges.

I beg to differ...... Superstitions abound in every society. Nothing like semi primitive societies when it comes to superstitions.

Stop trying to give juju bad name from an intellectual paradigm.

An herbalist uses natural substance for his work. I'm yet to observe an herbalist conjure a calabash out of thin air with boiled eggs inside. But I have seen it in movies.

dazzle101:
Ghosts, spirits, demons u mean!

The demon of necromancy is responsible for all these....

After a natural death, every one must be judged and that's it....

You see a family member or relation or anything at all ghost or spirit like just know you are encountering a fowl demon spirit nothing more!

Judged by who? Spirit, demons or ghost.

blueAgent:
Prove me wrong.

It is estimated that over 40% of South African
women will be raped in their lifetime and that
only 1 in 9 rapes are reported.[12] It is also
estimated that 14% of perpetrators of rape are
convicted in South Africa.[13] In 1997, violence
against women was added as one of the priority
crimes under the National Crime Prevention
Strategy; nevertheless, the rates of reported rape,
sexual abuse of children and domestic violence
continue to rise.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_violence_in_South_Africa

You don't like or worship white people. But you sure want to be like them and yearn for their acceptance that you are an educated blackman.

You sure took several pages from their condescending approach to african development. At least an uncle tom knows where he/she stands. But you...!!! smh... You don't even know if you are coming or going...

We need to consult the oracle on your behalf. You're showing symptoms of being bewitched by white witches and wizards...

blueAgent:
Which one did they remove in Nigeria?

Smh...will you stop running from pillar to post. You compared Germany and Japan to Haiti. And I asked you. When was the last time a democratic elected president was removed by a sanctioned coup backed by america in Germany or Japan? You turn around and ask me about Nigeria...Bros, warn ya sef..!

LeSudAfricaine:
Consult your dictionary for the meaning of

Promiscuity

Rape


Then come back to me, instead of becoming excited unnescesarily

Me self tire for the guy ohhh..

blueAgent:
For crying out loud. we had our destiny in our hands for over 50yrs like most African nations.and what have we done with it.
How can a nations been diverse encourage corruption,Laziness,non -chalent attitude?

What destiny do you speak of my good man....?

blueAgent:
You are the one, Who needs to do Research. go and read about the political history of Haiti.
when you observe anything you can come and lets talk.

Last I checked, when was the last time america remove a democratic elected president via coup from Germany or Japan..?

That's why I said compare apples to apples bro..

blueAgent:
Nigeria and face reality on ground.



Low IQ. not resource control is the problem.people with high IQ will not see governance as a means to wealth rather a means to serve .
In their respective states that is devoid of religeous issues why have the states not
be becon of hope. why do we see corruption even in private homes and local councils. are there religeous issues there?

Why in Africa do kinsmen kill each other over land or envy(Native doctor issues)
Why do brothers kill brother .people from the same mother just becos of envy.

why do most Nigerians spend resources and time visting Spiritualist to work against their own brother,sister or Neighbour just becos of envy or one been more successfull than them.
is this also issues based on different religeon? I mean this people are of the same mother or clan.

People over blow this ethnic difference as our major problem.why the main issue is that Africans and Nigerians of the same mother even kill themselves for just envy.

I will post a response i had from an African American .lamenting the same attitude i have observed among Africans. that it is also common among blacks in US. who by location have no major Ethnic or religeous affliation.

All you mentioned is not peculiar to only africans. And you cannot use political agenda to define the complexity of human nature. Politics is Politics... Human nature is human nature...

When you say "most Nigerians" in regards to evil agenda with spiritualist, are you speaking from experience or regurgitating nollywood movie scripts.

blueAgent:
This is will be a odd comment, but here goes. I
am a black lawyer in DC. I am married and I try to
disprove stereotypes. That being said, I agree with
a lot of what you have on your page. I agree with
you because as an African American I have
witnessed what you have said first hand. When I
was attempting to become an attorney, it was
black people that tried to sabotage my dreams on
a regular basis (some family too). When I became
a lawyer it was ALWAYS the black administrative
staff that resented me for making something of
my life and the lengths they went to sabotage me
were pure evil. I am currently suing two black
women old enough to be my Mother because
instead of being mentors, they were some of the
most mean spirited, jealous hearted and petty
women I ever met in life. Trust me, if you are
young, black, well educated and in good physical
shape-- Other black people will treat you like
crap. Instead of being proud they try to put you
on their level. Crazy right? Let me not even get
started on the DC politicians. These politicians
were given an opportunity to improve DC for
blacks and whites alike, while offering positive
black role models, but these people threw it all
away by being unethical and money grubbing. A
lot of these black leaders will sell out the entire
black race for a shiny car. To make matters
worse, I am soooooo tired of the members of my
race complaining about racism when they are the
most racist amongst each other. Blacks
discriminate against other blacks and races.

100% concur....

blueAgent:
Blacks are incapable of successfull rule. period.
Ethiopia and Liberia are two nations that were
never colonized or ruled by western powers.so
why are they at the top ranking in world Economy
and development index.
If Nigerians had Capacity for good leadership
inrespective of tribe . we would have done better
than this. a group that have ambition can
dialogue and reach an agreement.
Also remember that the whites left Nigeria with
Province and regions .a way to seperate power
and maintain relative Autonomy.
Am not say colonization is 100%perfect.but
enough of this childish excuses
Ghana,Togo, Benin and many more black nations
are less diverse. so why are they not top in world
map.
Remember the protectrate were created by the
whites. but prior to that ,were they any Nation/
State In Nigeria or Africa. with national identity
,Currency,Constitution.apart from some small
ethnic groups with king and Queen?
Somalia is one of the most Homogenous nations
in the world. but they have never known peace
why?
Try and google about Malaysia,Singarpore Spain
and observe how they sit ,discuss and resolve
their problems not loot money and act as if it
does not exist

Jeez man...the first paragraph of the post you replied answers this your rants.

Meanwhile, in your own words "A group that has the ambition can dialogue and reach an agreement "...clearly we see that the ruling class in Nigeria does not have the ambition to change the status quo. And why is that...? Is tribe, religion and resources control not part of the problem. You need to discard your childish romantism of political change in Nigeria and face reality on ground.

blueAgent:
Just click the link on my previous post and you will find who the elites are.

I don't need to... You tell me in your own words who they are...

blueAgent:
I laugh same Sympathy story . a debt that france reduced almost by 45% later. In over 150yrs they still blame debt.
Germany and Japan could have continued to blame World war 2 and Nuclear bombs for their undevelopment.

Jesus fuvking christ..!!! What's wrong with you man..? Can you read and comprehend at all?

Clearly you just read and regurgitate. Throwing stats around while ignoring geopolitics. Did Germany and Japan not receive funding for reconstruction.. How much did Haitians receive. How involved is america in Germans and Japan's politics..? And how involved are they in Haiti?

Please read and think critically before you post more garbage.. And stop comparing apples to oranges my friend!

sweetcocoa:
Ghost my fine azz, anyone know any ghosts? Tell em I wanna have a meeting with them, I'm usually alone so they don't have to worry about nothing.

Lolz......na yansh you wan yansh ghost ni?

skeendyke:
'Ghosts' are familiar spirits masquerading as a personality that once was alive. It is appointed for man to die once and then face judgment. The devil fools people into believing departed loved ones desire to communicate and live with their family members. This is how the devil captures the homes of unsuspecting folks and unleashes a reign of terror on them.

Bottomline is ghosts are demons attempting to work their way into the lives of people by taking on the personality of those dead and gone who are familiar to their target. Why? This makes it easier for them to be accepted and have unrestricted access in the household of the departed one which gives them the freedom to cause harm and destruction at will.

Ol boy see christain movie scripts...

The devil na real hard man abi hard spirit..

whitecloth:
You know Yoruba now, they found a traditional (diabolical) way to scare off her spirit


.
After the man died here in akure 15 years ago, he went to the north and married, it was when his wife has been disturbing him to know his family that he sent them before him.
hope you understand Sir.

Aunty... What's diabolical in appeasing an upset spirit.

Or Are you saying using traditional means to rectify a situation from another realm is bad..? Help me understand..