₦airaland Forum

kaslaw:
it a lie dauraians are complainin cos he only built daura motel wia daura gals are been f**ked nd d prison behind d G hospital dat is d only tin he did in daura

...chai..!! Nigerians.. I hail thee..

herald9:
When you don't follow how would you learn...

You didn't answer mine,why should you expect me to answer yours?

Gbam..!! You see your mindset.. MUST YOU FOLLOW TO LEARN.. Can't you explore,..

And who are europeans and america following..!?

It appears to me that all you do is read.. You don't think. One who cannot think for himself would always be led, because they are comfortable sitting on the fence.. Smh

Check ya self... People like you are the weakest link.

PS: a question for a question. Because your question makes no sense at all..

herald9:
Don't make me sound like a tradition hater. in fact I love them. it's the culture and tradition that makes us unique and helps us stand out as a people among thousands of other people.

But refusing to acknowledge the role played by the Europeans to bring us this far is the bone of contention.

Our traditional system was well coordinated,no doubt,guided by mysticism and superstitions. I only tried to point out that it's the European that brought about a different view towards life.

Since you said we were so advanced in our thoughts before the colonial era,what tangible invention did we make?
Even this post-colonial era,look at Nigeria as of today and compare them to South Africa who are made up of both the blacks and the whites. You can see how advanced they are both in technology and other areas of human services.
But are we not still rocking in corruption and other heinous acts? Are we not still divided along religious lines and ethnicity?
What do you think would've become of us if we were not even colonized?

Please stop being blinded by traditional sentiments, I'm sure you're just arguing for arguing sake. If they give you as a choice, you wouldn't want to go back to that period again.

I know you're trying to rebuff the white-supremacy I'm trying to paint. As much as I would love to fight along with you, but having come to see how advanced they're in their dealings and the awe-inspiring technology they keep dishing out to us...I rather sit on the fence and watch you go-a-bungee-jump.

And stop taunting me with all this theist bullshiiit... Since you became an atheist, what have you achieved?
eh? Mr Goosebaba?

Yawns... Same inferiority rubbish...

When you follow how can you lead...

As a deist i have to ask, since you've been a theist what have you achieved..

lestat:
By receiving and praying in your church with the most corrupt president Nigeria has ever seen? You parley and pray with GEJ and his cohorts? Giving them the seats you own in heaven in exchange for contracts and properties?

It's because of pastors like you that most Nigerian politicians are heartless and lack remorse because one honest sermon from you stating how corruption ruins lives would have carried more weight then even Mbaka 's message but no!! You maintain that religion and politics mustn't mix, yet in Nigeria religion is politics. Yet you endorsed akingbola even when there was clear evidence of his involvement in fraud? Wow Nigerian pastors never cease to amaze me

Christianity, Islam and judaism was built to control the masses. This is a tool and this pastor has good control of it for his own personal gain..

Goshen360:
Except the Lord builds, the builders are building in vain....

Another lie....

Goshen360:
This is a big lie!!! If you help yourself, then you don't need heaven's help. Heaven only help the helpless!!! He is HELP in the time of Help....

Yes it's a big lie... And why are you still lying for the lie.. Where is heavens help when christains die of hunger, sickness and boko bombing... Are they not helpless enough..!?

herald9:
I only pointed out their shortcomings cause according to you...They were well-learned to a point whereby they started venturing into philosophical concepts like Deism and atheism.

Priding yourself in what you didn't achieve, isn't it stealing? You clearly stated in your previous posts that we were mimicking them...So if you were mimicking them,is it not because they were influencing you?

It's people like you that'll copy and paste things from the web without crediting the source

Slavery came to be in the first place cause we Africans were power drunk...we wanted to occupy more lands and build empires upon empires.
When villages were raided,the only way to get rid of these people in order for them not to regroup and launch a counter-attack was to sell them into slavery...From there,the Europeans took advantage of it and slave trade boomed.
If our ancestors were so wise like you try to paint them,they would've learned to be contented with what they had instead of trying to push boundaries.

That's why I said the Europeans are the ones that refined our way of thinking...

You're right that they were building infrastructures to move out our natural resources but in the process...they left a legacy behind... only if you'll learn to appreciate.

NB you can't bring in light to were there was already light... If Africans were so enlightenment before the pre-colonial era...why were we called a dark continent?

If I worship an intelligent being... you make reference to an intelligent atom...that puts us on the same ground... till you can proof your own version beyond reasonable doubts...

cc: Goosebaba

The fact that you wholeheartedly believe that those before you were not capable of great philosophies is prove enough that you have only been reading about your history from an european perspective.. And you bring in dark continent which could mean dark-skinned people or just classical european historians that sees themselves as superior. Think of the Era this phrase wad invented read and think..

You see why you keep exposing your shallow mind set. Because you do not know the african concepts of beliefs system. All you know is witchcraft, Sango, Ogun from an european authors perspective. If you understand them then you will realize that you are simply making a foOL of yourself by concluding that the concept of atheism and Deism originated from the west..

Meanwhile, I never knew that mimicking someone is an achievement.. Lmao.. Guy your craze plenty. Meanwhile, the Chinese and Indians pride themselves on their ancestoral beliefs system is that stolen pride too.. By using your logic the accomplishment of these countries is by the grace of Europe.. So if I am influenced by dangote and i achieve my goal that is stealing..!? Kindly give examples of what we pride ourselves in that was stealing..

Copy and pasting is false accusation on my person. You have no such proof, that in itself makes you a buffoon..

So slavery is peculiar to just africans... Smh.. The Roman Empire did not push boundaries..!? Where are they today..? you are a product of the bristish empire pushing boundaries you're too daft to see that.. What is america doing today.. Is it not pushing boundaries.. Guy you're too shallow to discuss this topic..

Someone forced their rule on you for 80 years, of course they would leave a legacy. But belittle, bastardize and distort the legacy of your forebears in order to show appreciation for such legacy is the height of "post traumatic colonial syndrome" which you exhibit in all your post..

You can't bring in light where there's already light.. " this right here is a theistic beliefs concept.. So stop your delusion... And please stop trying to lump me with your buffoonery /man worshipping.. In no where did I make mention of an intelligent atom..

Herald9... Still regurgitating classical rubbish from your masters historians.. You're quick to point out any short comings of your ancestors, but you don't have a problem side steping that of your master.. Really dude... REALLY..!!?

So now they refine your thoughts...lol.. And brought deism... LMAO... Your slave mentality just oozes.. Kindly explain stolen undiluted pride..? That's just more rubbish coming out of your mouth..

Meanwhile , You talk about slavery.. Who were buying the slaves, who killed or exile traditional leaders that fought against slavery.. Who benefited the most from slavery..Think..!!! And you make it sound as if the bristish could critisize their monarch and go scot free....all they did was build infrastructure to move out natural resources, but gave you their culture, language and their god.. And I should give them credit for that, like we did not have any of that before they came.. Smh

You already worship them, for you exhibit the symptoms of ...post traumatic colonial syndrome.. You're thankful that they colonized you. NO wonder you like man worship "intelligent being things" and you call yourself a deist.. While we can see on this thread that you are a bonified theist with very low self esteem..

pazienza:
Choi! See mental slavery from a supposedly educated African.Rosikke come and see o!

Don't mind the guy... He is suffering from "post traumatic colonial syndrome.. " his enlightenment comes from europeans.. Smh

herald9:
@Goosebaba...You're plowing out of line...our focus was on the inventors of Deism...

I told you that the concept of Deism originated from the west...so I had every right to quote any western author to support my assertion... but you tried to counter me by saying the belief was still there even before the invasion of Europe...



So I don't really know how you arrived at that epistle you wrote there... it's very incoherent and off topic ...

Now to your question on how the Europeans enlightened Africa... It's only an ingrate that will refuse to acknowledge the source of his success.

-The Europeans espoused the use of reason and science as a universal method for obtaining knowledge and solving human problems.

-Their enlightenment freed we Africans from the darkness of ignorance, the burden of false/barbaric beliefs, and the destructive influence of prejudices and superstition.

-They brought about the believe in liberty,equality,secular society, democracy and in the potential of education, science and technology which in turn improved our condition - reducing poverty, misery and diseases.

So the Western world played a big role in the transformation of Africa... No amount of arguments can override that...So again, give credit to whom credit is due.
You're a big beneficiary of this enlightenment,if not,you wouldn't have been punching that keyboard to write that... You'd have probably been a hut,casting cowries to decide who's next to be sacrificed to appease angry gods.

Smh.... How can they invent "thoughts"... The stench of your inferiority... Tufia..! It more like saying they discovered river Niger..how could they discover what others already know .. .

. I just told you that elders and traditional preist use such line of thoughts.. But nooo! You already believe that your ancestors were not capable of such thought process..

How did we communicate in pre colonial africa..? If all we needed was to learn how to speak english to be enlightened .. How did we trade, invent and create things before colonial take over.. How did we trade with the bristish before 1897.. The bristish ruled Nigeria for 80 years what exactly did they transform.. We mimic their way of life and you call that enlightenment.. Smh

Guy go read about european history before you talk about liberty, democracy or secularism.. Your line of thoughts is extremely shallow..

herald9:
You mean while you were still worshipping Ifa, Sango, Oduduwa, etc you knew about atheism and Deism... Hmmm for this blatant lie...you deserved to be crucified.

Please go study the history of your country and stop displaying 9:29pm ignorance...
The whitemen are the source of our enlightenment... Give credits to whom credit is due...without them,we'd still be licking asses of the gods.




You mean we've no other purpose apart that of reproduction?


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And there you have it....smh.. Guy not only did you fail to think critically, you just expose your inferiority complex right there soaked in arrant ignorance..

Pre colonial africa knew of God’s/Goddess and for some insane reasons they did not see God through different lenses... You keep reading books written by classical european historians and you call that your history...Guy do you even know your history..!!?

I don't need to read those rubbish books for i was raised in a traditional deistic perspective that knowledge was God and through knowing one can understand and make sense of the cosmos.. This was what the elders who did not read nor write embraced through their teachings... And their myths and folklore was more about nature...

It's obvious you do not understand the concept of traditional worship... Hence your eagerness to praise european authors. Guy your mind is colonized.

By the way what is enlightenment...? Is it learning to write in English, learning their ways of doing things.. Kindly explain the enlightement europeans gave your ancestors..

What other purpose is there in life than to seek knowledge and reproduce... We build on the knowledge left by our predecessors and we reproduce so our successors will continue and find more answers to the mysteries of our existence..

herald9:
Who brought all these concepts to us?....Isn't it the European folks?
As far as I'm tapping from the source, that's makes it 100% legit...just like Christians quoting the Bible.
I don't know why you still having problem with that adjective 'intelligent' ...If I see a nice sculpture and call it beautiful... is it a bad thing?


Oh really?
If I was still holding on to theism...I wouldn't even try to reason with you on rational grounds... I would've been spamming this thread with Bible portions and quotations... So you can now spot the difference yourself.
I was only trying to rebuff that theory cause it doesn't make sense to me...Since you find Bible's version of creation story to be a fallacy...You can't expect people to swallow your own scientific tales hook,line and sinker...And arguing with doesn't mean I'm still holding on to theism.

What is to be gained? A lot can be gained my guy...If you were walking down the road and then sight a beautiful building and someone's tells you there's no owner,that the blocks collided and formed that beautiful edifice ...Would you accept it just like that?Wouldn't you find it amusing?



My own efforts to know God is to understand why we are here...
I don't want to believe that life is all about predecessors and successors.

That's where you're wrong. European did not bring us this concepts. We already had them. You're clearly a product of colonization. Smh... Are you telling me that atheism, agnostics and deism were all created by european... Are you saying that they were no skeptics in pre colonial africa/nigeria... Your case is worse than I thought..

Life could be about predecessors and successors that's why we constantly reproduce.. Ask a man who does not know his history he gives credit to others for knowledge his predecessor have/had..

Evolutionary theory is not an absolute truth, it could change tomorrow if new discoveries are found.. the only people loosing sleep over this aspect of science are theist who thinks they already have the absolute truth.. Check ya self...

5minsmadness:
Rates of divorce are rising because people have lost the value of marriage.

Marriage can never survive under a physical contract. A physically contracted marriage can never be fair because one person will always love the other person more. One person will always feel cheated more. One person will always feel he or she makes more sacrifices than the other. As long as a partner is looking out for what he/she can gain from the marriage, it will remain rocky.

But if the marriage is built on something greater than the two people involved, a greater authority, them they will look up to that authority and not to themselves. They will love and sacrifice and work for that authority and not for themselves. They will derive pleasure and happiness from their spouse because of love for that authority and not themselves.

Marriage without spirituality and self sacrifice is doomed to fail.

This will be too deep for some people to understand.

I beg to differ, there is nothing deep in your yarn...

What authority do you speak of..?

In a nutshell societies defines what a marriage is, before an individual can choose to participate. What do you think strengthened the value of marriage for those before us.. Family, cultural norms, traditions and knowing.. These were the authorities..

When you bring in an authority of abstracts, you become part of the problem.

herald9:
The basis for Deism stemmed from the success of sir Isaac Newton in explaining
terrestrial mechanics which led to the development of the idea that nature and the universe could be thought of as a great machine, operating according to fixed laws.The idea of the world as a machine immediately
suggested the idea of design.And design doesn't just happen... It requires a designer.

So that's how we came about the idea of a Creator, which only varies with that of a theist because we believe the Creator doesn't interfere in the mechanics of the universe...
From further studying, I've come to discover the shortcomings of Deism, Cause I couldn't see why a God would create a universe he can't participate in...Or did he create the universe to watch it as fish in the fishbowl?

And since I cannot come in terms with the explanation from Atheism and the beliefs of the Theist....I would love to quote Blaize Pascal who posited that
there is more to be gained from wagering on
the existence of God than from atheism, and
that a rational person should live as though
God exists, even though the truth of the
matter cannot actually be known.

cc: Goosebaba

I see why you keep running around quoting european authors and their perspective on deism. That's why you use the word intelligent being " and now you use the fish in a fishbowl argument from a theistic perspective.

It seems to me that you still hold a theistic god concepts while claiming to be a deist. That's why your argument against evolution theory is soaked in theistic beliefs without biblical quotation. Why do you feel the need to defend god/creator..? what is there to gain for wagering on the existence of God...?

My ancestoral teachings tells me that man's efforts to know God is to understand the cosmos and make peace. This is from an african deistic perspective..

herald9:
What do you mean?

If someone is responsible for an amazing creation like this...Don't I have a right to use any adjective to describe him?

Exactly...!! Who is the someone..? An abstract..

herald9:
Deism isn't a believe in God...It is a believe in a Creator who doesn't have interference with the laws of the universe.

Much as God and Creator seem synonymous, I would like to believe they're not actually the same thing.

A God would want people to worship him bla bla bla etc...
A Creator only performs his duty of creation and dispensation.

So having cleared that,I would want you to read my previous post...No time to explain all over again.

So is your deistic creator synonymous intelligent being..?

I ask this question because i have never heard a deist use the word intelligent being to describe god/creator..

herald9:
Do you have comprehension problem?

Calm the fuvk down..

Deism is the believe in God...the question remains, how did you come to a intelligent being concept..?

herald9:
All I was trying to say is,a house must have a builder...

Blocks cannot just roll and bump into each other to form a wall and trees start slicing themselves in perfect and required shapes to form the roof...Someone must have done that.

Telling me it's some random explosion of gases that gives birth to the universe sounds silly to me.

Common sense should've told us that explosion causes chaos not otherwise...

It's just like planting a bomb in your house and expecting it to blow up and form three or more beautiful houses....

Mind you,I'm coming from a deistic perspective...so you can now understand my situation.

From deist perspective how did you come to an "intelligent being concept "..?

herald9:
Did I say anywhere that the intelligent being owns a book?

You certainly did not... But can you explain how you came to an intelligent being concept.?

herald9:
Well, I'm not in the mood to insult now....continue...it's your profession.

I used the word 'intelligent ' because you people made it look so...

You know how complex the universe is and the living things within... it's only an intelligent being that is capable of maneuvering whether matter or whatever it is to bring them into existence...
So if you say some random exploding particles caused it...then those particles must really be intelligent.

So you agree that the universe is complex and it's only an intelligent being that could be responsible. Now tell me how can such intelligent being write/inspires a book that common man can add and remove from his message.. . Hence his threats "revelation 22:19 "..... Does that sound like an intelligent being that is responsible for such complexities of the universe...

natureblack:
you no fit use big prick threaten ashawo....meaning say,wetin person don sabi,e don sabi am be dat.

Bros, leave that thing... You don see where ashewo dey give refund.. Them go ask you "na dat thing you wan take spoil my market.. " abeg take your money back...

No matter how ashewo fuvk reach she know wetin her toto fit carry..

tommykiwi:
Wetin concern dis news with cup of GARRI for market abeg??

If you read what he wrote and you still ask this question.. There's something wrong with you.

True talk...

motherlode:
hey! Please don't twist my words hear, my comment was based on what was in the write-up!

And perhaps didn't God destroy sodom and gomorah in the bible because of their numerous sin and to cap that He even delivered Israel into the hands of the enemy because they wouldn't listen but delivered them again from their enemies because they had a change of mind!
Ignorance is the best definition for your problem, if i may be right!

And i bask in my ignorance.. However.!

Read your reply again and tell me that you are not a deluded cretin.. You clearly wrote "they are not his enemy but of God "...how is that twisting of your words....

voltron:
Oh there is a dominant region of the world where majority of blissfully ignorant folks reside ..

I beg to differ, the blissfully ignorant folks in that region are a minority but they make the loudest noise. Majority of their victims are fellow believers..

motherlode:
What is this one saying? he is a creationist, i hear! But is that how to preach repentance? To the city of Nineveh God sent Jonah who didn't oblige @first but with the miraculous hand of God he was made to! This so called creationist is an Asian he can travel to the affected countries to preach the gospel, why praying falsely against them when they are not his[b] enemy but of God[/b]? Tell Jim solouki to put them in the hands of God and not destroy them with his utterances!

#GodIsGood

Therefore, you and Jim believe your god is responsible for such calamities.. I thought that was the devil's role..?

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At least there is no monopoly on ignorance...

plaetton:
Hhhmmm!

Have you forgotten that the Meatballs and Spaghetti Sauce are the two other members of the holy trinity?

Each is the other, in the other, and compliment the other.
It's a buy-one- god- get-two-for free.

Have you not been reading your scriptures, young lad

Forgive me sire, it must be the goat meat and pepper soup. It always torment me, but i will be steadfast for i know that spaghetti dipped in tomatoes sauce mixed with meatballs will never let my nose run and my eyes watery..

Ra men..

AdamuUcheOla:
rAmen my pastafari brethren. May his noodly appendages touch the lives of all Pastafarians. rAmen. For all you unbeliveres, all other gods are false; give your life to the FSM; the one true light.

"I am the Flying Spaghetti Monster. Thou shalt have no other monsters before Me. (Afterwards is OK; just use protection.) The only Monster who deserves capitalization is Me! Other monsters are false monsters, undeserving of capitalization."

—Suggestions 1:1

Lmao.. ..

I also pray to the god meatballs and spaghetti sauce.. Yum yum.. The prayers are always foodfilling..

Dahjhi:

I no tell you....

hifaif:
May IFA, baba Agbonmiregun and awon Iya mi Osoronga bless you all. May Ogun Alegbede protect you all from accidents.

May your roads be rough, ase.

Guy you wan give them heart ache...

"may your roads be rough " you think they're capable of understanding that..

And lastly you did not mention god in hebrew format..

Ase all day....

plaetton:
OK.
May almighty Flying Spaghetti Monster(FSM) grant all Nigerians their heartfelt prayers of reaping without sowing, grant them undue advantage over others, let them be the head and not the tail (tough luck for the tail). Protect them calamities, catastrophies and inequities. Let those things happen in front of them, behind them, but never in their midst. Again, tough luck for those in frnt and behind.

Protect them from those evil winches
No, not those poor innocent women and little children, but the big winches, the ones that loot and steal our Commonwealth, thereby stealing our destinies.

And last but not the least, help slay all their enemies, especially the imaginary ones. The imaginary ones are the most persistent and difficult to deal with.
Lead them all into an easy victory over all imaginary enemies.

Ra men.

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Ra men all day..!!