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Dtruthspeaker:
This is the definition of concentrated bias for you to see job 2 and not see what God Said to Satan in Job 1.

And the Lord said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil?

In case you don't have a dictionary eschew
/ɪsˈtʃuː/ -Eschew is a formal verb that means to deliberately avoid, abstain from, or shun something

If job eschews evil as God's servant does it not mean that God eschews evil too?

Then satan answers
Then Satan answered the Lord, and said, Doth Job fear God for nought?

10 Hast not thou made an hedge about him, and about his house, and about all that he hath on every side?.. meaning satan has tried several times to hit Job's house, himself and everything?

Hedge - a means of protection

And the Lord said unto Satan, Behold, all that he hath is in thy power; only upon himself put not forth thine hand. So Satan went forth from the presence of the Lord.

And what was Satan's power?
We see the disasters that fell on job's farms, servants, sheeps and children. Yet job did not cross into evil.

Then job 2 you see the words of God Saying
and still he holdeth fast his integrity, although thou movedst me against him, to destroy him without cause.

And what was the movement satan caused God to do?
"But put forth thine hand now" - meaning for God to remove His Hand and hedge from Job. And that was all God did and then satan did the evil he desired to do.

So for calling God evil wrongly, everything that happened to Job in Job 1 and 2 shall happen to you all your life in Jesus Name.

Guy,
What the fukk are you trying to do. I am a student of the fukking bible. I know that shitt in and out. In fact I am sure I know that bible more than you!

How do you reconcile your crazeed god leaving satan alone as his friend and killing all Job's gaddem family? How does a rational human being justify such insanity?

Now I got that off my chest. The mod is free to weild his stick and ban me.
Naa you go tired!!!😄😄


Just imagine a god seeing satan and instead of destroying him he is playing betnaija with innocent Job's life with the same satan. Make that shiit make any rational sense??!!

Dtruthspeaker:
Come, Let them inject you with Taiwo Hassan Ogogo's cancer, let us see if you will not see them by force.

I would be more reasonable and sensible to ask why your heartless god stands by the side watching innocent men die of cancer(which is his creation) and does nothing.

kpakpandoN:
The fear of God is the beginning of wisdom (Psalm 111:10); therefore, anyone who does not fear God is not wise. He is a Consuming Fire (Hebrews 12:29), and those who do not fear Him are truly foolish because even a mad dog fears fire. Psalm 111:10 also means that those who fear God become wise.

Apart from wisdom, however, there are many other benefits to fearing God, and Psalms 112:1-9 outlines many of them. One of the benefits is that the seed of a person who fears God will be mighty upon the earth (Psalm 112:2). That same verse also tells us that the generation of the upright shall be blessed. Psalm 112:3 says that you will have access to wealth and riches when you fear God. Also, Psalm 112:7 says that you will not be afraid of evil tidings. People who fear God do not need to be afraid of anything because He will deliver them out of the hands of all their enemies and everything that can harm them.

Those who do not fear God will find it easy to commit sins, and this can bring a curse upon them and their descendants. For example, Gehazi’s lack of fear for the Lord caused him and his descendants to become carriers of the leprosy that was previously upon Naaman (2 Kings 5:20-27). Whenever a person acts in a way that shows that he or she does not fear God, such a person robs his or her children of the opportunity to be great and exposes them to curses rather than blessings.

Joab was another person whose lack of fear for the Lord brought curses upon his lineage. In (2 Samuel 3:27-29), the Bible details how he tricked Abner and murdered him in cold blood. When David heard about it, he placed a curse on Joab’s lineage that sicknesses, leprosy, poverty, weakness, and untimely death would befall Joab’s family and his descendants. People who do not fear God purchase trouble for their children.

Beloved, if you want your future and that of your children to be glorious, you need to have the fear of God in you. If you’re going to have peace of mind in your old age, you must fear God. The reason I am sure that my tomorrow and those of my children will be alright is that I fear the Lord. I pray that your life and those of your descendants will be filled with blessings and not curses, in Jesus’ name.
Written by Pastor E.A. Adeboye.

Lol...😁😁
Cherry picking bible passages that suit their agenda is the stock in trade of all preachers. The aim is to subjugate and dominate your mind and then control you with fear of an imaginary hell fire. A crude,primitive carrot and stick manipulative philosophy.

Lol...😁😁😁


Though I don't believe a single word in the Christian Bible, it is apparent that the devil is being unfairly accused because the god of the bible is a more evil,egotistic,narcissistic,misogynistic and murderous,bloodthirsty being than the devil.
And to top it up Satan and the god of the bible are good pals playing kalokalo and cashie with people's life's. (JOB chapter 2 verses 1-7)

Mosco100:
On that day, you will stand in your own lot and testify.

Lol...😁
All I ask from you,is the location of this purported heaven and hell?
In the sky?!
Under the earth?!
In the sea?!

I hope you know there are billions of galaxies in the universe and the earth is just a speck of dust in the solar system?
Think about it!!!

Mosco100:
“ And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.

And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.”(Revelation 20:11-15).

“ And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.

And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.

And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.

He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.

But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.”(Revelation 21:1-.

“ And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them.

They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more; neither shall the sun light on them, nor any heat.

For the Lamb which is in the midst of the throne shall feed them, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters: and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes.”(Revelation 7:14-17).

“ And I heard as it were the voice of a great multitude, and as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of mighty thunderings, saying, Alleluia: for the Lord God omnipotent reigneth.

Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready.

And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints.

And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, These are the true sayings of God.”(Revelation 19:6-9). Amen.

This is just complete bumkum. What a load of mumbo jumbo.
The simple point is to show the location of this heaven and hell in the sphere of the billions of galaxies in the universe!

virginboy1:
You remind me of Johnnydonn2...back then he liberated lots of religious fanatics from the yoke of religion.

Kudus man...You are doing well.

Thanks bro.'
I know johnnydonn2 and like his writing,but I assure you I am just a simple man that reads and researches a lot of different religions and say what I sincerely think. It's a pity there is a lot of intolerance from religious people when the flaws and folly of their religion is simply pointed out to them in black and white.

Dtruthspeaker:
Did you not hear that snake ate billions? Mohamed fly, e no fly, i don't care.

You sound like an extremely ignorant person,honestly.

Reloadedisraelp:
u are sure ..... Doesn't means u are.

I ask you again,do you believe Muhammed flew to heaven in one night on his winged horse or you don't believe and think the story is absurd because it is not inside the bible?

Dtruthspeaker:
A guy just carried 2 bags of rices with his teeth, the River Euphrates got dried up and yet you don't believe.
But that's ok after all some people still believe that Peter Obi is the president so, it is not unusual for you to say this

You are the person who believes absurdity I don't. If you choose to belive Obi is the president or that a man lived inside a fish for three days and survived,I don't.
By the way did you hear that in Islam Muhammad flew to heaven in a minute on his winged horse? Do you believe that? Or you don't believe it because it is not in your Christian religious book?

Reloadedisraelp:
prayers to God is an holy act and not a physical material things.... A person mayb poor in physical but rich in the spiritual..... If u doubt prayes pls don't stop sleeping.

I am sure you also believe snakes and donkeys can talk to humans. I bet you believe three men were thrown into a burning furnace and they were not burnt or that a man was thrown into a lions den and he became friends with the lion and they were sharing stories with each other.
If some one from another religion told you any of these absurd irrational stories would you believe,because there is a story in Islam of Muhammad flying to heaven in one night on his winged steed.😁

Dtruthspeaker:
Like the story of the rabbit who goes to heaven to eat during famine no man who God answers his prayers will ever show you, so you are talking rubbish

Oga,
Like I said earlier, I am so sure that you believe snakes and donkeys can speak to human beings or that a human being tore up the gates of a city with his bare hands and carried the gates away on his head or that a man parted the sea into two with a stick.
Until you can prove me wrong with evidence,I choose not to believe in imaginary beings like gods and devil's the same way I don't believe in dragons,spiderman or Odin.
Prayers do not work and are a complete waste of one's time.

Dtruthspeaker:
Since when did personal prayers become a public affair?

The fact that God does not answer your prayers does not mean that He has not answered others and of course like the 3 wise men why would they tell you? Keep living in your nightness

I don't blame you. In fact I really pity you. I am sure you are a reasonable human being that believes a donkey and a snake can speak to a human being!😋

Reloadedisraelp:
prayers are real am a living witness.... Don't doubt it.

Prayers are NOT real and there is no evidence to prove that a man who prays has in any shape or form a better life than the one who doesn't. In fact I will go further to postulate the theory that those who refuse to pray have a better life ×1000 than those that spend all day praying and bowing down to imaginary beings.

eagleonearth:
That I am a Christian does not mean I spend everyday in church. It simply means I am aware of the supreme being called God and it is a huge leverage for me. I do not engage in this crossfire of religious banners but I must let you know that If you believe man fell from space and started procreating, then you will be too dull a human. Long story cut short. Challenge the unseen Supreme being looking at you right now to do something that will make you believe He has been there all along and has made spiritual abodes for afterlife. Come back and tell me your findings.

Brother,
You need to prove to me in a rational way that a person who prays or sings hymns to imaginary invisible beings has in any way a better life than the person who refuses to do the same.
Until you can prove the efficacy of prayers or worship of imaginary beings or provide evidence and location of heaven and hell,I will be sticking to my guns and trusting knowledge and science.
Thanks but no thanks.

ibtommy:
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This was the same message of error and"commonsense and critical thinking" they preached to my brother some years ago. He was vibrant for the Lord and he enjoyed fellowship with God. He would pray and miracles would even happend. He lived an exemplary life, a life filled with joy and Gods grace: very evident to all. We saw something special in him. He was deceived and his life became a horrible thing up until now. I pray and weep for him every day. May God have mercy on him. There's no amount of preaching and persuasive tricks you can use, I will not fall into the same pit my brother fell into. I have a choice to make!. His life is a mess now; a real mess.
Keep it to yourself,sir.

Brother,
Can you provide empirical and rational evidence that this your brother performed miracles or you have seen with your eyes where any man performed a miracle of healing the dead or people with stage 4 cancer.
I am very interested in knowing such a person personally so that I can direct him to the numerous hospitals all over the country.

eagleonearth:
You are everywhere on Christian threads disseminating negative energy and delusions. OP is advising nominal Christians to level and live up to their names as Christians. Christianity is a lifestyle and not a religion. All those you wrote up there are life events recorded in the Bible. You do not need to go to a place of worship to hear them. You can read them from the comfort of your house. Reading the Bible without the enablement of the Spirit that inspired it will make it appear senseless, illogical and tasteless. We are then advised to call upon the HolySpirit to teach us his book. Church is a gathering of God's children to encourage themselves in the Christian journey. Forget about the aberrations you see everywhere because everything that has original has many fake counterparts. Seek wisdom bro.

Shalom.

Until you provide empirical and rational evidence that I am wrong,I will be sticking to my points until you can prove me wrong that the man that goes to a church is in any way better than the one that does not or prove to me that a man who prays to an imaginary god is in any way better than the man that does not pray.

Till then I will stick to my point that it is more productive for a man to sleep in this house on Sunday than to waste his time going to church to show off his new clothes and new car to his envious Co parishioners.

eagleonearth:
IThe air you breathe in and out, do you sight it with your natural eyes? Can you catch it with your hands? But science told us how to catch and analyse it. That your naked eyes cannot see oxygen does not mean it is not there, your being alive is a testament to the availability of oxygen in your space. Same way God is closer to you than the oxygen you breathe but your undeveloped spiritual senses cannot catch it. Day/night/heredity/fertilisation/growth/dazzling biological happenings/seasons, who set this things in place in a very organised way? Is it your ancestors? Stop having a herd mentality and choose to think outside the box. Sit down sometimes and ask yourself critical questions and who knows? Answers might begin to manifest. Pastors are humans prone to errors so leave them out of this. Nature speaks to you everyday and tells you that everything within the galaxies did not come out from nowhere. You just choose to live in denial. Hell and heaven are spiritual places. You have a spirit and soul which you have not seen before but have been living with you since you were born. Where will those entities escape to when their apartment (the body) drops dead? He who wants to know will take a step to find out. Take a step today, pray a simple sincere & heartfelt prayer: HolySpirit, if there is anything like you, reveal the truth to me about life, heaven and hell, then come back and mention me on your findings.

Shalom.

Brother,
Is there any empirical and rational evidence to prove the efficacy of prayers in the life of a mortal. Can you provide any evidence that the life of the one who prays is in any way better than the one who refuses to pray?
Can you provide any evidence of gods,devil's,angels,heaven or hell any more than you can provide evidence of dragons,spiderman or Batman?

All your life you have lived in a religious darkness which you erroneously thought was light. My brother it was just a cocoon of indoctrinated delusion. You were just in a cave of illusions which you thought was reality. The reality is science,knowledge and evidence. Religion has got you trapped brother.
Come to knowledge before it is too late and you discover you wasted your whole life in church clasping your hands together mouthing empty meaningless words to an imaginary being.
Come to knowledge,my brother because tomorrow may be too late.

ibtommy:
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If you use commonsense to interprete God's word, you will be deceived. Commonsense has no place in interpreting God's word. The gospel of the cross is foolishness to a common man, a man of flesh. That's is why the letter killed, but the Spirit giveth life. When you receive the light of Jesus into your life through the Spirit's conviction, you will have your spiritual eyes open. That's is the only time you can find solace in His word and no see it as fables. Jesus said, "The words that I speak, they are life and Spirit".

May Jesus help your helplessness, brother. May you find help and grace to come out of darkness into His marvellous light. You shall know the truth and tmit shall set you free.

This also goes to all those chronic sinning church goers (including sinning pastors, elders, mummy and daddy GOs). You go to church to flaunt your bodies, to catch sin patners; you are only deceiving yourself. Youncall yourself a pastor and elders but involve yourself in shady practices. An atheist is even better than you. You need God!

Bro, God is real o.

Bro,'
This your circular argument works both ways. When you use your critical rational and empirical mind to study religion,you will simply realise that all religion,gods,devil's,angels,heaven and hell are created from the minds of other men to control and manipulate you.
The simple fact is you have been indoctrinated into a cocoon of delusion from birth and if you don't think critically and research properly,you will think that the delusion is the light when in actual fact you are in darkness and blind.

My brother,it is never too late to come out of the darkness of religion into the light of knowledge. Only knowledge can set you free from the chains that hold you captive.
Think,brother come unto knowledge and science before it is too late and you die before you attain knowledge and it will be too late.
Come out of the darkness brother, knowledge is calling you before it is too late!!!
Had I known is the brother of too Late. Do not say we did not preach to you.

Edusouls:
fools would never acknowledge the truth until when they close their eyes in death they would say had I known?

This your fallacy of a circular argument equally applies to you. I am so so sorry for you that it will be too late for you when you die and in the end you discover you wasted your whole life living in a cocoon of indoctrinated delusion of non existent and imaginary gods,devil's,angels,dragons,witches,wizards,heaven and hell!!!😂

ogolemati:
this one is still confused,you believed the science but didn't believe that God behind the science.ook is not better you didn't believe anything na . Should you believe your fore fathers were not monkeys like science said

I just feel so sorry for you that in the end when you die and find out that is the end and you at that point,it suddenly dawns on you that you wasted all you life living in a cocoon of delusion,defending imaginary non existent gods,devil's,angels,heaven and hell.

Edusouls:
fools would never acknowledge the truth until when they close their eyes in death they would say had I known?

This circular argument can go both ways because it would be sad for you to find out in the end that when you die,it is all over. You find out that you wasted all your life being indoctrinated and defending a non existent,imaginary god non existent devil, non existent heaven and non existent hell. In the end you find out that you lived a wasted life. So sad!!!😆

MaxInDHouse:
So you mean no translator knows the meaning of those words out of all the translators numbering hundreds who have produced versions upon versions of this book?
Ọmọ you can continue deceiving yourself God never claimed those words it's your pastors who are being presumptuous attributing what is not to God.

For instance Omniscient has been ruled out when God Himself said to Abraham:

Question: Did the Bible God claimed He is OMNIPRESENT?

Answer:
Then the Lord said, “The outcry against Sodom and Gomorrah is so great and their sin so grievous that I will go down and see if what they have done is as bad as the outcry that has reached me. If not, I will know.” ‭Genesis 18:20-21 NIV‬

‭Question: Did the Bible God claimed He is Omniscient?

Answer:
“Do not lay a hand on the boy,” he said. “Do not do anything to him. Now I know that you fear God, because you have not withheld from me your son, your only son.” Genesis 22:12

Regarding apostates saying funny things to blindfold you why not do the investigation yourself?

I was born and raised a Muslim almost becoming an atheist before i found the one and only true religion so if you want know the truth do your own personal research with honesty without being bias!🙂

I am never surprised at circular arguments like this. It is the stock in trade of religionists.
You are using quotations from the bible to defend the same book being disputed.
Answer the question raised of why an omniscient god,could not locate his own creation in a small garden,then how can he locate anybody in the vast galaxies?
I didn't ask for your life history of Islam to atheism to jehovahs. I asked why an omniscient god could not locate its creation in a small garden!

Dtruthspeaker:
See, does common sense not tell you that, that means He swwitches off His Power of omniness in respect to human's right to privacy?

Told you, you don't have ọgb0n

This is the most inane thing I have ever heard from a religionist but then there is always a first time for everything.

MaxInDHouse:
Just correct me by quoting those words in any version of the Bible:

OMNIPOTENT
OMNIPRESENT
OMNISCIENCE

If you can't there is no need for further arguments you are just following false religious ideas to condemn all religions!🙂

Oga,
Come here to see your false doctrines totally destroyed and obliterated completely with facts and figures.



https://www.nairaland.com/8088472/manipulation-bible-verses-jehovahs-witness

MaxInDHouse:
You keep hiding behind false religions to condemn all religions.

Face the truth for once if a religion has been claiming all others are false for a century why not ask them simple question instead of using what you want to condemn from false religions to argue?🥱

Oga,
Jehovah's are fake and a manipulative group twisting bible passages to suit Charles Taze's freemason agenda.

Please come over the this interesting thread where your groups manipulation was exposed on a grand scale.😆



https://www.nairaland.com/8088472/manipulation-bible-verses-jehovahs-witness

MaxInDHouse:
Just correct me by quoting those words in any version of the Bible:

OMNIPOTENT
OMNIPRESENT
OMNISCIENCE

If you can't there is no need for further arguments you are just following false religious ideas to condemn all religions!🙂

If you have issues comprehending the meanings of those words then I am sorry I can't help you. However I can invite you to a very interesting thread on this forum where you were completely obliterated with your absurd beliefs. I know if your mod friend had his way,he would hide the thread.😁😁



https://www.nairaland.com/8088472/manipulation-bible-verses-jehovahs-witness

MaxInDHouse:
So there is no Bible verse where OMNISCIENT or OMNIPOTENT is written shey?
Thank you!🙂

Guy,
My issue with you is you keep engaging in blind arguments. You are so fixed on your ways. You never research. You just keep repeating yourself like a broken record despite being corrected several times about your sect that was created by Charles Taze for his own selfish reasons.

cutecommend:
Believe it or not, in the next 70 to 100 years, many or most people in this world, will be in another place outside this world. They will either be in heaven or hell fire.

Some people who have died probably saw death as strange or unreal to them. It may have looked like it cannot happen to them. They may have seen others die, probably not expecting that one day they will be dead too.

You that is alive, amend your ways and follow Jesus.

Pray now and tell Jesus to forgive all your sins and come into your life.

EVERYONE OF US WILL GO TO HEAVEN OR HELLFIRE

This heaven and hell,you talk about so glibly,can you point out the location? Is it in the sky? Under the earth? Or under the sea?
There is no single evidence of any place called heaven or hell. It is a primitive and stone age concept postulated by crafty men to control your mind in an evil carrot and stick philosophy that is outdated.

Science estimates that there are over two BILLION galaxies in the universe and more are being discovered everyday. Humanity is a spec of dust in the vast expanse of the galaxies to believe one mortal will burn for eternity in an ever burning incinerator. Heaven and hell are primitive control concepts of men who thought an imaginary god resides in the sky.
Don't let any pastor decieve you because most of these pastors know that when you die,it is all over. You simply are planted in the ground to become manure to plants and ants. The ecosystem goes on.

CLOUDRepublic:
Will you be coming back to Earth?

I personally do not subscribe to the idea of heaven or hell as a reward because both presents a physical location. A place capable of description.
And humans must have existed in one consciousness before being born.

I saw a thread about marrying the same partner if you come back to earth.

God knows, this is my last time coming to this earth. I'm not coming back here.
It's too difficult.
Will you be coming back to Earth?

There is no empirical evidence of a heaven or hell. These are fraudulent and primitive concepts postulated by dangerous and crafty men to control your mind with a carrot and stick philosophy.
Once you die,it is all over. Don't let anyone decieve you. Or better still,ask them to show you where this heaven and hell are sited!