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PoliticsRe: Why Do Nairalanders Refers To The Akoko-edos As Yoruba? by GuidoVanRossum(op): 2:57pm On Jan 11, 2018
vonxe:
check this out:

Born into the family of Eshinavaka of Ufa quarters in Igarra, Akoko-Edo local government area of Edo State, Mr. Segun Ajayi had his primary and secondary education in the north, Army Children School and Air Force Secondary School both in Kaduna where he both distinguished himself in character and learning.
https://www.ireporteronline.com/
If you are still referring to the name, I've told you there is no argument here. We have to a large extent, the Yoruba influence when we were under the same region. Now, the people from Igarra where this man originate from speak etuno, a language closely related to ebira. Unless you want to tell me the ebira people are Yorubas. Culturally and in terms of language, etunos are related to the Ebira people of Kogi state.
PoliticsRe: Why Do Nairalanders Refers To The Akoko-edos As Yoruba? by GuidoVanRossum(op): 2:47pm On Jan 11, 2018
vonxe:
thanks for the intelligent answers although not all were answered I will be grateful if you could give answers to the remaining.
To some of your questions and answers I will make some modifications, don't be offended.

Question you should ask: Are akoko-edo Yorubas? Answer: No
( depends, the word Yoruba was coined in the last millenium that is why other 'tribes' similar to Yoruba will say they are not Yorubas
The time the word was coined doesn't matter. A lot of other tribes coined the name that represent their identities one day. Example: at a certain time in the world, there were no entity named English, Isrealis, Asante, etc.
The fact is that, for a man from ekiti, Ijebu, Egun, ondo, oyo, Ijesha and host of others. There is one determinant despite the very strong language disparity known as "Yoruba" and it remain valid in as much as they agree to be under that umbrella.

vonxe:
Question: what tribe are akoko edo? Answer: Edo
( how are they edos, why not akokos?)
They are edos because more than 80% of the villages there traced their history to the great Benin empire where Edo has it's origin from.
They are culturally similar to the rest of the Edo nation. They have unification of language and name. (Example is, anywhere you get to in Edo state, the word Ame=water is the same for all irrespective of the language. And there are lots of these kinds of words that I won't mention now.


vonxe:
Question: Is there a tribe known as Edo
Answer: Yes
(I have limited knowledge in this)
Now you know. It's certain that the word Edo represent all of us as the Yoruba represent everyone in Yoruba land. And even if it's created yesterday, it still doesn't nullify it's importance and existence.


vonxe:
Question: do they have an homogeneous edo language
Answer: yes and it's gradually being taught in schools
( I agree)
Good with this.


vonxe:
Do the Edos have disparity in dialect? Answer: yes( dialect and language is different, dialect comes under language. dialect is a subset of language meaning pple with different dialect under thesame language will be, to an extent, mutually intelligible to each other. how does these apply to akoko edos?)
I'm sorry, I will use Yoruba to elucidate a bit here.
Yoruba is a language
Ekiti has a distinct dialect
Ijebu has a distinct dialect
When an Ijebu man speaks his language in Ilesha, he sure will be totally unintelligible to his host. When an Egun speaks his dialect, an oyo man won't understand come. Despite this, they are under one tribe, Yoruba. So the fact that the person from Ibillo does not understand Ososo doesn't mean they can no longer be regarded as Edos.



vonxe:
Does this disparity affect the homogeneity of the Edo people? Answer: sparingly so (sparingly so?!!! when akoko edos cannot even hear each other).
Akoko Edos understands one another. There is a defining dialect known as the Okpameri, more than 60% of people from Akoko edo can speak and understand this. Maybe slight differences in the way they pronounce certain words.


vonxe:
Even though Edo is the most homogeneous tribe in Nigeria culturally.( maybe Edo, but convince me that akoko edos are Edos )
To answer this. If you believe okuns from kogi are Yorubas even with a perfectly different language and culture, then, you should know that for this same reason, Akoko-edo are purely Edos.


vonxe:
now answer mine
What are your questions?
PoliticsRe: Why Do Nairalanders Refers To The Akoko-edos As Yoruba? by GuidoVanRossum(op): 12:36pm On Jan 11, 2018
vonxe:
1.yes, a lot of edo pple bear Yoruba names
2. they both serve almost the same gods
3. they inter marry a lot
4. in terms of culture some part of edo are almost similar to some part of Yoruba land e.g akoko, owo, ilaje, and slightly Ekiti.
5. some parts of Yoruba land also have slightly different culture
6. some akokos in ondo state don't speak Yoruba but they are generally classified as Yoruba because of ancient history, if I may ask what is the history of the akoko edos?
7. I read from history, you can confirm, that Yoruba language was made compulsory in edo schools until ogbemudia stopped it, don't you think that might have had effect on your grandfathers/Fathers?
8.I read, you can confirm, that the akoko edos all have different languages, a distance of few kilometers speak different languages (not dialect), how do you inter trade amongst yourselves?
9. do the village illiterates amongst you, akoko edos, believe yorubas are your brothers. Am not talking of few educated in the cities who might have been cheated, fought and possibly developed hatred for the yorubas?
10. lastly, are there villages/towns who believed they are pure yorubas?


IMO ihatepork is just being brutal and harsh with the truth.
ihatepork pls this is for you
1.Do itsekiri consider themselves as yorubas -- No
2. Do they speak a part of Yoruba dialect -- yes
2. Do they recognize yorubas as their brothers having the same ancient history -- yes
3.Do itsekiri have the same culture as yorubas -- No
4. The point am making is that akoko edos are free to decide what they want.
What you know: Edo people have yoruba names.
Reason: Yoruba people have an overwhelming political influence in the old western region.

What you know: yoruba used to be a subject for edo state students:
Reason: we belong to the same region then. Western region.

What you know: Ogbemudia stopped Yoruba teaching in Bendel state

Reason: Because we were not Yorubas from the onset. Just that the Yorubas used their superior political power to enforce the teaching of their language and made us look like an homogeneous entity.


Question you should ask: Are akoko-edo Yorubas? Answer: No
Question: what tribe are akoko edo? Answer: Edo
Question: Is there a tribe known as Edo
Answer: Yes
Question: do they have an homogeneous edo language
Answer: yes and it's gradually being taught in schools
Do the Edos have disparity in dialect? Answer: yes
Does this disparity affect the homogeneity of the Edo people? Answer: sparingly so. Even though Edo is the most homogeneous tribe in Nigeria culturally.




Remember that all other major tribes have different dialect. So, the Edos have their differences and people should not capitalise on those differences to balkanize the Edo nation.
SportsRe: 2018 World Cup: Why Musa, Iheanacho May Not Make My Squad – Rohr by GuidoVanRossum: 11:23am On Jan 10, 2018
safarigirl:
Nacho IS our False 9. He scored two goals in out World Cup qualifiers. One of those two against Zambia, and that was the deciding goal. How many did your CFs score?

Somebody with 8 goals in 14 games, when last did you have ANY CF with that record irrespective of the games played?

You do not have any capable replacements, that is the sad reality here. We are not Spain or Germany or France, we are Nigeria.

This is the same rubbish fans did four years ago and we packed useless players to Brazil to disgrace us. We are doing the same thing again, thinking we are trying to make the team better and we will just fail again

You think you have higher stakes in this team than the players? Their careers are on the line, your own is just useless pride that is on the line.


There are also reasons Mikel was on the bench against Chelsea, but he was playing well enough for us. Victor Moses was also a bench chopper when he was playing fine for us, hell Iheanacho was actively chopping bench when he scored a goal and gave two assists against Argentina, downplay it all you want, but if the team had lost, your mouth no for dey twist like this.


There is nothing worse than fickle fans, they love you today and crucify you tomorrow. It is a shameful behaviour
Your football analysis is inspiring. I can't believe a woman knows this much about football. I dare not debate football with you.
CrimeSars Operatives Accused Of Defrauding A Futa Student by GuidoVanRossum(op):
I got the news from the FUTA students Facebook group Inside FUTA. The boy was said to have been stopped, harassed and his tuition taken from him.





https://m.facebook.com/InsideFUTA/photos/a.487169478156736.1073741828.484925768381107/722584427948572/?type=3&source=57

PoliticsRe: Why Do Nairalanders Refers To The Akoko-edos As Yoruba? by GuidoVanRossum(op): 6:50am On Jan 09, 2018
omololu2020:
GUS was held twice in Edo state, I'm sure you know that?
In your initial post, you said Akoko edo. Well, you are right that edo state hosted it twice. First one was in Benin(NIFOR) and the second one was in my village.
PoliticsRe: Why Do Nairalanders Refers To The Akoko-edos As Yoruba? by GuidoVanRossum(op): 8:53pm On Jan 08, 2018
omololu2020:
you mumu,there it's no tribe called Edo,Edo state was created by the military regime,and it's made up of different tribe

Edo state was created by the Nigeria military regime,in fact by 1960 there was nothing known as Edo state.

And we have some yoruba towns in akoko-edo,towns like ikakumo,anyonron,one etc

Back then,One of the GUS was done in Edo state,akoko-edo to be precise,and the indigenes of the village there said,their fore fathers were from ife.

Speak about what you know and stop been dumb.
The bold part is a big lie. That's my place and we are from Benin. My ancestors were Benin warriors

Modified: just in case you doubt it,
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ososo
That's a link to enlighten you.

I'm from the Okogbe family and up till my grandfather, my family is a warrior family. My grandfather told me that their forefathers used to fight as a Benin warrior. We migrated from Benin to idah and settled at Ajaokuta before we relocated to our present settlement due to war. Till recently, before you are consider a man, there is a festivity you must observe called the Itakpo. It involve going to Ajaokuta.
PoliticsRe: Why Do Nairalanders Refers To The Akoko-edos As Yoruba? by GuidoVanRossum(op): 5:17pm On Jan 08, 2018
PoliticsRe: Why Do Nairalanders Refers To The Akoko-edos As Yoruba? by GuidoVanRossum(op): 4:17pm On Jan 08, 2018
omololu2020:
very few and ignorant yorubas claim binis as Yoruba's, Yoruba need nothing in Edo state,except Yoruba lands in Edo.

There it's nothing in Edo state that people will wanna claim the state
Nope, not very few Yorubas. Majority of the Yorubas love laying claim to Edo people generally. Even your kings. I understand that this is due to the long time relationship we share. But then, it will be good if we accept our differences and appreciate one another's different but beautiful cultures. We might be minority today. But I can tell you from historical background that we once were regarded as powerhouse and powerful nation that could have stand alone.
PoliticsRe: Why Do Nairalanders Refers To The Akoko-edos As Yoruba? by GuidoVanRossum(op): 4:09pm On Jan 08, 2018
aremuforlife:
The major problem we are having is that we are only looking at it from one anlge which is language. Don't forget that we can be differ in language but also have the so many things in common. If only you can proof why the similarities in your deities to your deities because i discovered that the Binis and Edos ways of Worship is the same. The same ancestors in Yoruba land are the same in most of this land. So why are we trying to make something out of nothing.
If Nigeria where to be divided by region which region do you think your elders will follow.
If you look critically at the Benin and Yoruba history, you will have your answers starring straight at you. Since 12 century, Benin and Yorubas have got good relationship. But despite that, the two nations have their distinctive characteristics. The influence of that relationship is what you see in their ways of worship.
PoliticsRe: Why Do Nairalanders Refers To The Akoko-edos As Yoruba? by GuidoVanRossum(op): 1:27pm On Jan 08, 2018
verydark:
exactly.dont allow them to play games with you and your people.
In facts, a typical Akoko edo man relate with and understands an urhobo man than a Yoruba. Because we are culturally closer. Our language is even closer to urhobos than the Yorubas.
PoliticsRe: Why Do Nairalanders Refers To The Akoko-edos As Yoruba? by GuidoVanRossum(op): 1:24pm On Jan 08, 2018
omololu2020:
there are also Yoruba land in akoko Edo,so be sure of what you are saying, and no Yoruba gives a Bleep about your people
Yoruba land? I won't give a total no for that. But majority of us aren't Yoruba in any way. Yorubas do give a lot of bleeps. That's why they easily categorise all of us (including the Binis) as Yorubas. Although this is a political gimmick to claim population. I remember that since the days of regional government, we distinguished ourselves as mid-western. We've been distinct ever since. You lots just don't see it
PoliticsRe: Why Do Nairalanders Refers To The Akoko-edos As Yoruba? by GuidoVanRossum(op): 1:19pm On Jan 08, 2018
verydark:
well.i dont know about that.me,i only know am not igbo and am surely not becoming biafran.

they can forget that idea.
Same way I and majority of my Akoko edo people feel. We are neither Yoruba nor Igbo.
PoliticsRe: Why Do Nairalanders Refers To The Akoko-edos As Yoruba? by GuidoVanRossum(op): 1:18pm On Jan 08, 2018
verydark:
they call me yoruba too.

and am urhobo.imagine.

then they ask me to prove it.insults upon insults.
Lol.
PoliticsRe: Why Do Nairalanders Refers To The Akoko-edos As Yoruba? by GuidoVanRossum(op): 12:56pm On Jan 08, 2018
verydark:
and i repeat.

it will not matter.

those trouble makers online care only about major tribes.whatever that means.

in their minds only hausa fulanis,yorubas and igbos exist in nigeria.the rest are minority tribes that should fit themselves into the major tribes.
I
thats reality.sorry.
It will not matter when we keep mum and allow them to continue with the categorisation.
But now, some of them know we are so not Yorubas (neither culturally nor language wise).

PoliticsRe: Why Do Nairalanders Refers To The Akoko-edos As Yoruba? by GuidoVanRossum(op): 12:50pm On Jan 08, 2018
verydark:
op,what you think over yourself is important,not what others think about you.

its good that you are saying something.let your voice be heared.dont allow them to put you in a category.
Exactly my brother. You can't find a trace of yoruba in my language yet they categorise us as Yorubas.
PoliticsRe: Why Do Nairalanders Refers To The Akoko-edos As Yoruba? by GuidoVanRossum(op): 12:29pm On Jan 08, 2018
Countless of times I've read on here how those who have never stepped a foot in Edo state easily refer to us as Yorubas. That is very risky as it takes our identities away from us. More than 80% of the villages there traced their origin back to the Bini Empire. Yoruba is a big nation, if people keep referring to us as Yorubas, with time, we will be prone to a total extinction. I remember when I first got admission, I was to do online registration and unfortunately, I couldn't find my local government in the list of lgas of Edo, I and a group of guys have to go fight for it inclusion in the list.

On Facebook, Ibillo ( a popular akoko Edo town) is regarded as being in Ondo state. These are misrepresentation.
PoliticsRe: Why Do Nairalanders Refers To The Akoko-edos As Yoruba? by GuidoVanRossum(op): 12:18pm On Jan 08, 2018
verydark:
it will not matter.people will still call you yorubas because you are in west near yorubas.

you cant demand from us to exactly know all tribes in nigeria.thats like learning mathematics.keep your peace and move on.
***laughs***. But it does matters. Because any decision we make as a people is read with the "they are yorubas" view. It's true we are close to the Yorubas(geographically), but we are also close to the Ebiras, and even closer to the rest of our Edo brothers.
PoliticsRe: Why Do Nairalanders Refers To The Akoko-edos As Yoruba? by GuidoVanRossum(op): 12:12pm On Jan 08, 2018

PoliticsRe: Why Do Nairalanders Refers To The Akoko-edos As Yoruba? by GuidoVanRossum(op): 11:54am On Jan 08, 2018
The Etunos (Igarra) are more closely related to the Ebiras than the Yorubas. The Ososos and Okpameris are more closely related to the rest of the Afemai who are more closely related with the Binis culturally than the Yorubas.
PoliticsRe: Why Do Nairalanders Refers To The Akoko-edos As Yoruba? by GuidoVanRossum(op): 11:50am On Jan 08, 2018
verydark:
what do you want from us.?

their are over 200 tribes in nigeria.how do you expect from us to know all of them.?
Yes. I understand that, that's why I'm trying to correct that wrong categorization.


Below is a celebration of carnival in one of the towns in Akoko-Edo. You can deduce that our language and culture differ greatly from Yorubas.

PoliticsRe: Why Do Nairalanders Refers To The Akoko-edos As Yoruba? by GuidoVanRossum(op): 11:34am On Jan 08, 2018
pcgist:
Akoko Edo is not Yoruba. They are from the northern part of Edo State. Akoko-Edo local government is one of the six local governments are collectively known as Afemai in Edo state.
Find out more about Akoko-Edo at http://www.afemaipeople.com/akoko-edo-local-government-edo-state/
Thanks my brother. In akoko edo, our culture, way of life, and traditions differ greatly from the Yorubas. But people just refer to us as Yorubas anyhow here. Any little arguments that has to do with the edos, you hear people ignorantly refer to us as Yorubas. Afe-home, ame-water and other common typical edo language shows we are far more edos than Yorubas.
EducationRe: Test Your English Proficiency Here (picture) by GuidoVanRossum: 9:12pm On Jan 06, 2018
A mother beats her daughter because she was drunk.

Who was drunk according to the sentence above.

Answer is 'she'.
PoliticsRe: Osun Is Second Wealthiest State In Nigeria - Financial Derivatives Company by GuidoVanRossum: 9:10pm On Jan 05, 2018
ArcFresky:
I am not saying Mr . Mimiko was a bad governor.
But why build an edifice when you are owing civil servants salary?

Ultra modern marketsbare good, but at what cost to the market men and women?
Was the allocation of spaces properly handled?
Are you privy to the details of sale or lease of these stalls?

Sometimes, some some projects just bring hardship to the people, if you dig deeper you find out market women pay huge sums.

Whats is even ultramodern in stalls and lockup shops?
have u ever been really hungry and noticed a beautiful market?
Even in the uk, markets are in dermacated areas, grounds covered with asphalts and stalls built, easy....
You shoukdnt even compare Ondo and Osun, because of the available manpower and resources available to them.

Please undertand my point, I am not against governmental policies, but am against wasteful spending, against elitist project that have little or no effect on the people.
Against aesthetics that can't reduce hunger, have u ever been really hungry and noticed a beautiful market?
I understand your point though. It's like saying Fasola did well in Lagos. But most of the projects were overpriced. As regard owing state workers, he has it very bad in that wise. As a labour man (that's where in stayed for the most part of his governorship.), he is supposed to put workers dividends first. However, he tried as regard capital expenditures.
PoliticsRe: Osun Is Second Wealthiest State In Nigeria - Financial Derivatives Company by GuidoVanRossum: 7:49pm On Jan 04, 2018
ArcFresky:
Maybe he did,
And maybe he didn't.

But can you explain the essense of an expensive events center, when you cant pay salaries.

Or better still how will having waterfalls benefit the state apart from its aesthetic value, it would have been better to build a statue, and and reduce recurrent expenditure.

Maybe agriculture was good, but some other things dont make sense, like ultramodern markets? What's ultramodern about stalls and lockup shops.
Infact govs squandared resources, I remember when mimiko first came in, and was demolishing roads and side walks agagu built, just to plant flowers?
Which sane person will do that?


The point am trying to make is to invest in the future, invest in Education, agriculture, infrastructure (not event centers ).
Not employing more civil servants, not building markets that will be selling goods imported from Lagos.
The ultra modern markets actually make the state look neat. You don't use them so you won't know the value. Ask those who sell in the market and they will tell you they enjoy using them.

The dome is another project that you might not like, but if you find such edifice in other states or even nation you will hail it as development.
Okay let's talk about the heath sector. The mother and Child alone is a very good initiative as it brought good health closer to poor people at a really subsidised price. A lot of children birthed during his regime had modern treatments (including their mothers) even in the rural areas at zero cost to the parents.
Transportation policy of ondo state is one of the best in the country. It's only in Akure that you will see people waiting to sit at the back even when the front seat is vacant because of the comfort. Do you realise that the school free shuttle made life easier for students in his era?
What about the mega schools? The medical university? A significant amount of roads that led to rural areas were rehabilitated.
This osun state you are talking about now, a lot of residence of owena( ilesha) will rather send their children to schools in igbara (a smaller rural setting than owena) or private schools than attend schools in their place because of the development in ondo schools compare to osun. Mind you, I'm not from ondo state. I only came to school here. I also relate with the poor masses than you do because of the kind of business I do. Some of the best schools in ondo state ( in terms of performance) are government owned ( I was private home tutor for variety of students). Osun can not catch up with ondo yet in terms of development. Talking about agriculture, his agricultural policies made a lot of persons millionaire (some of who I know). Mimiko is still the best Ondo state governor I know. Although, I think Ondo state have been lucky with leadership since 1999. Unlike my state (until oshiomole came in).
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Arsenal Vs Chelsea (2 - 2) On 3rd January 2018 by GuidoVanRossum: 7:24pm On Jan 04, 2018
policy12:
Bros u didn't watch d match?
Lol. I missed it o. Don't tell me that's real.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Arsenal Vs Chelsea (2 - 2) On 3rd January 2018 by GuidoVanRossum: 10:44pm On Jan 03, 2018
policy12:
If Morata is at the gate of Heaven he will still miss the Trumpet..

If u sabi u sabi abeg..
Was this picture photoshoped?
PoliticsRe: Osun Is Second Wealthiest State In Nigeria - Financial Derivatives Company by GuidoVanRossum: 6:57pm On Jan 03, 2018
ArcFresky:
Might look like a mistake now, but in the future, everyone is sure to praise the argebsola.

Instead if expending more than 80% of revenue on recurrent expenditure, the man chose to build schools and roads....thats thinking ahead.

Better than govs building statues e.g okorocah.
Aerodome event centers; mimiko
Flyover when there is no traffic; fayose
And a lot of elephant projects that add no meanings to the lifes of citizens.
Mimiko did wonderfully well across all sector.
Health
Education
Agriculture
Works
Infrastructures.
It's just painful that some of his legacies are gradually dying in this current government.
AgricultureRe: Rice Production In Nigeria Hits 15 Million Tonnes — Official by GuidoVanRossum: 11:10am On Jan 03, 2018
iblawi:
I was only correcting the millions of tons statement you made not the country. The graph we used are from different sources and of different years so don't expect the same result.
Lol. I didn't make the statement. My point is that whatever source the information comes from didn't give us accurate record. The picture I attached was this year's record which shows Japan who are the top ten produces less than 12 million metric tonnes (less than 11000000 metric tons). So Nigeria wouldn't have produce 15 million metric tonnes and not be among top ten producers.
AgricultureRe: Rice Production In Nigeria Hits 15 Million Tonnes — Official by GuidoVanRossum:
iblawi:
Add the thousand of tons at the bottom of the graph to the number on each bar and you will see they are all in millions.

https://riceproductionoacc.weebly.com/uploads/1/1/9/3/11939039/7687685_orig.png
This means Japan produces less than 8 million metric tonnes. No?




BTW, below is 2018 statistic. Which still shows our government must have exaggerated their figure.

Christianity EtcRe: Primate Elijah Ayodele's 2018 Prophecies: What Atiku Must Do Ahead Of 2019 by GuidoVanRossum: 9:32pm On Dec 25, 2017
We don't want Atiku. We want a youth. #Istandwithfeladurotoye

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