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olaeffect: I am a spiritual Jew, born not of the will of flesh but by the spirit. And don't give me that bull sh*t about Africans emancipation, what has the african gods done for Africans. Man is nothing without the gods, it has always been the war of gods and the Jewish God (as said by the Egyptians) has always proved himself superior above all others.
African emancipation; how many African gods do you have in your house? None I am sure. Using the internet and making contributions with the white man's technology and you want to reject the God they believe the most.

Spiritual jew my foot LMFAO ,more like a deluded slowpoke
I didn't mention african gods so spare me the balderdash you are spewing.
And which god does the white man believe the most
You just certified yourself a subservient black man devoid of any intellect

The blood is on the hands of Victoria Nuland, Robert Kagan, and the whole neo-con Cheney group in American foreign policy circles who caused the Ukraine civil strife and huge policy failure of the US by promoting their neo-coldwar madness on Obama. But none of the external interventionists will ever take responsibility when things go wrong and the avalanche of needless death happens--witness Cheney and Wolfowitz. Remember that these are the people who paid American dollars to foment unstable rebels to throw the elected government of the Ukraine out and then installed the present western Ukrainian govt. led by the usual oligarchs. Most Americans don't even know who Victoria Nuland, Cheney's aide is. She's a blood-shedder who released the dogs of war and the killing mania in the Ukraine confederation that is ultimately responsible for the unspeakable shooting of the plane and more slaughter. She and her ilk are the wackos who wanted to separate the Crimea from Russian influence--the height of neo-con, ideological careerist ineptitude.

Religious texts are all written by politically inclined human beings."

olaeffect: When you Google please search with Philistines and cannan to know that actual fact of the first inhabitants of the land in question, how the Jews left and how they returned and the lost tribes of Israel.
Just don't Google what you are comfortable with try and know the whole truth.

Emanicipate yourself from Mental Slavery O ye African!
The illustration only serves to feed you with some dogma about the rest of the world being inferior to Zionists,its shameful coming from an African.
So which divide do you feel you fall into in that illustration?

texanomaly: Do you really think so? I take it you disagree with the "Tuff Love" concept.

Well in this kinda case "Tuff Love" wasn't applicable in my honest opinion.They just stirred the hornets nest

Wrong move on their part,she's gonna hate them for it and become much more rebellious.Basically they've done their worst and that will stick in her mindset.

SirShymex: Yes - but that wasn't even a competition. Junior M.A.F.I.A stood no chance: rapper for rapper, and bars for bars. AZ alone had more bars than Biggie - sad he never really made it in the mainstream. His verse on "Life's a Biitch" is still the greatest hip hop verse ever to me - and he was like 18 or 19 when he dropped it.

And you've got Nas, and Nature. Foxy Brown shiits on Lil Kim everyday of the week! Queens run circles around Brooklyn!

Erm, AZ and Foxy are from BK but I gotta cede The Firm to Queensbridge.

Common bro Lil Kim shits all over Foxy Brown.
Hardcore is a classic,certified double platinum .Doubt Ill Na Na beat that although it was also a great album.
Show Queen Bee some love bro

SirShymex: Lol, I was west-coasted growing up and I overdosed on g-funk via my older brother - so I never really fvcked with Lil Kim and Bad Boy as record label(Tupac's voice lol). Loved a lot of East coast rappers and their hit tunes though. And I was heavy on Wu Tang, Def Squad, Nas, and Mobb Deep etc..

Dr. Dre killed The Firm - he just didn't know what to do with them, and the New York sound. Or perhaps they couldn't re-invent themselves like Ice Cube when I linked up with New York. But that was a super group - Nas, AZ, Nature, and Foxy - Cormega as well. Then again Steve Stoute is a culture vulture, I guess that's why it never worked out.

Love Inga, but when I discovered she didn't write her rhymes - that diminished everything.

Remember The Firm was always up against Junior M.A.F.I.A.

SirShymex: Madness - lol.

Anyway, what do you think about Inga(Foxy Brown)?

Inga Fung Marchand
She was cool back in the mid 90's first noticed her with The Firm but that group didn't go no places. ILL NA NA was massive.
I was all about Lil Kim then though cos of the Bad Boy connections.
They were friends back in the days tho come to think of it,dunno how they went all nuclear on each other

SirShymex: Lol @ butcher.

Heard Roxanne Shante now has a Ph.D - Queensbridge represent!

Where Gangsta Boo at?

Shout outs to those who mentioned Lady of Rage - queen of deathrow with the Afro Puffs!

Roxanne Shante's Ph.D claims turned out to be false, couple of years back it was revealed.
She apologised later I think.
Not to discredit her anyway 'Roxanne's Revenge' track was da bomb.

missojugo: Finally it hits me. I am too old to be on Nairaland. How can this small girls be making some peoples childhood. Where chaka kan and diana ross them?

Remember that track featuring Brandy,Chaka Khan,Tamia,&Gladys Knight- Missing You?
Was the STK to the movie Set it Off.
Nostalgic memories

Did any one mention Non-chalant?
5'o clock in the morning what u gonna do,remember that track?

Well she's now a butcher in a grocery store in DC

cirmuell: poor you, in this case, you can't unconnect the two. sorry

Who cares
I made my submission and you turned it into a religious affair,why single out islam?last I checked Atheism isn't a religion,infact it seeks to disprove the notion of religion.
Christianity and Islam are offshoots of Judaic religions,you don't need a history book to figure that out.My beliefs have nothing to do with the debates on this thread so let's be concise and objective.

cirmuell: really? wait, which are you athiest or muslim?

Does it matter?since you conveniently omitted christian
I don't debate foreign affairs with religious delusions sorry

lilprinze: Hamas decided to close ranks because they knew they have lost the war and fighting Israel was just a waste of time because they cannot or could not defeat Israel

Jeez
Dumbest comment ever you need to read and update yourself.

cirmuell: for self defence, yes, nothing bad in that...hell, I even wish we have our own too. But who knows what Iran can do with one if she has it...that is what the World and it's not even Tehran alone, DPRK(a non muslim State). So it's not even about religion now.

Iran won't do jack wit it if she has it its just for deterrent purposes.Pakistan is a very large and unstable muslim state full of radicals and I don't remember them using it,they need it to keep India in check anyway.
The psychos in North korea also bluff all the time with theirs.
The real opponents of Iran are the Saudis cos of the Sunni Shia divide,if Iran has it then the Saudis will want one also.
No one really wants to start armageddon honestly.

cirmuell: you should give up this Israeli/christian ish...it's not funny anymore. wouldn't want to derail this topic, so go learn more about judaism. You shouldn't delve into something you know nothing about just because others are talking about it.

Btw, if you are a muslim, what's the problem between shi'ite and sunni?

Islam has more in common with Judaism than Christianity,basically they are both religions borne out of Judaism.
Shalom

lorRhyMeZ: People like u are the kinda pple that make pple like us wonder if ur internet service is a privilege with restrictions..I believe people like u don't know that the people u call Arabs,Jews,Kurds and so on all share a common thing..they are all SEMITES!

Don't quote me..just Google it

Thanks for educating him
Arabs and Jews are both Semitic peoples so its a kind of family squabble.
Ashkenazi jews from Europe coming to claim some fabled ancestral land irks their arab cousins so much,too bad some peeps are too dumb to see it.

gboss4sure: Believe it or not, Hamas will be the first to violate this truce. They have always done so and when Israel responds they will cry blue murder.

Why are they celebrating? See as their country lays in ruins and yet they celebrated they defeated Israel, how do they measure victory?

Palestinians sold their future when they voted Hamas into power.

The West bank voted Fatah into power and Israel has been expanding settlements into their land gradually chiselling away their territory

tuagbo: I disagree.The most chilling episode of "Breaking Bad" is "Boxcutter,"Season 4 episode 1 especially the scene "Gus Fring" walked from the door of the laboratory,down the steps and towards "Walter" and "Jesse"."Walter" started defending his actions,"Gus" said nothing then walked towards the lab coat and started putting it on.We all expected their imminent death.Now that's CHILLING!!!

No doubt that was chilling also but seriously you think the writers were gonna kill off the lead and supporting actor at the beginning of a new season? I doubt,but I loved the scene for its suspense cos we didn't have the tiniest clue what Gus Fring was gonna do.

prof800: We have some new set of kick a$$ WRITERS in house!
Just in...

Outstanding Writing for a Drama Series
is…
Moira Walley-Beckett who wrote the
“Ozymandias” episode of Breaking Bad.

That was the most chilling episode of Breaking Bad if I remember,that was when Agents Schrader and Gomez got killed.

valena23: Sunmola means to move closer to wealth in Yoruba, nothing to do with Arabic

I'm not the original author of the article but I'm guessing that part should read Ismaila not Sunmola.
Thanks for taking note

Its a season of defections
The politicians have been defecting now its the turn of the soldiers.
SMH

5thNOTE: Who told u they sold themselves, when they where tributries of the ancient Benin Kingdom time of no records then they were sold, meanwhile no main Benin or Edo ppl were sold as slaves. The Oba of Benin could trade the subjects(yorubas) at the edges of his kingdom to slave traders and 4 ur info there were only representative chiefs of the yorubas. Infact thats why yorubas could spread mightly becuse they hate burden or lording and had no king and even if they tried to have a kingdom, it was always subject and obedient to the Benin kingdom.

In your deluded and twisted fantasies maybe

olukenzo: I think the issue with Oyo and Ife is because the Ooni started out as a regent than a King and also because he is not a direct descendant of Oduduwa through Okanbi. But he however rules over Ile-Ife which is the source of all Yorubas and thus deserves all the respect he gets.

I don't find the arguments amusing though, they are very divisive I must say.

Well said

niceeric: Yio daa fun o.....o ni s'oriburuku,alale ile wa yio gbe o.....thanks so much bro!!......ive been reading so much rubbish since page one and was expecting this history to be told to the ignorant ones here

Ile Ife remains and has always been a birth place of the Yorubas and won't the ruler of the land be the ruler of all yorubas

or shall we call an Oba from an Empire that fell not too long ago and was moved to a foreign land our paramount head.....

Well the ruler of Ile Ife has never been a paramount ruler of the Yoruba people at any time in history as much as Yorubas refer to Ile Ife as their birthplace which itself is quite debatable.
Ni Ile kaaro O'jire Alaafin lo ni ile'
Isn't that the famous saying?
Ijebus don't accept Alaafin as their paramount ruler talkless of Ooni of Ife so different yorubas view their rulers differently instead of laying claim to who is superior.

I have always been fascinated by Yoruba people’s creative morphological domestication of Arabic names.
There are scores of Yoruba names that are derived from Arabic but which are barely recognizable to Arabs or other African Muslims because they have taken on the structural features of the Yoruba language.
This is not unique to Yoruba, of course. As scholars of onomastics or onomatology know only too well, when proper names leave their primordial shores to other climes they, in time, are often liable to local adaptation. (Onomastics or onomatology is the scientific study of the origins, forms, conventions, history and uses of proper names. Anthroponomastics specifically studies personal names, so this article is an anthroponamastic analysis of Yoruba Muslim names). That’s why, for instance, there are many Arabic-derived personal names in Hausa, the most Arabized ethnic group in Nigeria, that would be unrecognizable to Arabs. Names like Mamman (Muhammad), Lawan (Auwal), Shehu (Sheikh), etc. would hardly make much sense to an Arab.
I am drawn to the onomatology of Arabic-derived Yoruba names because their morphological adaptation to Yoruba’s structural attributes seems to follow an admirably predictable, rule-governed pattern. I have four preliminary observations on this pattern.
One, because most Niger- Congo languages (of which Yoruba is a prominent member) end almost every word with a terminal vowel, every Arabic name borrowed into Yoruba is fitted with one. This is important because the majority of Arabic names don’t end with a vowel. To give just a few examples, Arabic names like Muhammad, Saeed, Umar, Abdulmumin, etc. (with no vowel endings) are almost always rendered as Muhammadu, Saeedu, Umaru, Abdulmumini, etc. (with vowel endings) by speakers of Niger Congo and other African languages. I have tried several times to think of any word in Yoruba and in my native Baatonu that does not end with a vowel (that is, a, e,i,o, and u) and have not had any success. So the first thing Niger Congo languages do when they borrow a foreign word is to add a terminal vowel to the word if it doesn’t have one.
Two, in almost all cases, when Arabic names start with a vowel, the Yoruba morphological domestication process dispenses with the initial vowels and starts pronouncing the word from the next consonant after the vowel. So, for example, Imran is often rendered as Muroino in Yoruba. I can’t explain the linguistic logic behind this since several Yoruba names begin with vowels (e.g. Adewale, Iyabo, Olusegun, Ekundayo, etc.), but Yoruba is pretty consistent in doing away with initial vowels when it borrows names from Arabic.
Three, it also seems to be the case that whenever Yoruba borrows names from Arabic and, in fact, from all other languages, it usually replaces the “a” sound in the names with an “o” sound, especially if the “a” sound is intermediate or terminal. That’s why Rahman becomes Romonu and Imran becomes Muroino. There’re only a few exceptions.
Four, Yoruba Muslims tend to be way fonder of names that are derived from the 99 names of Allah than northern Nigerian Muslims. A prominent morphological feature of such names is that they are always prefixed with “Abdul,” which is Arabic for “servant.” So AbdulRaheem means “servant of the merciful.” Yoruba naming conventions tend to eliminate the “Abdul” part of the names of Allah, which northern Muslims consider borderline blasphemous because they say by dispensing with “Abdul,” bearers of such names are claiming Allah’s qualities.  (My immediate younger brother is called Abdulmumin, and my dad, who is an Arabist, fought anybody, including my mother, who eliminated the “Abdul” from his name. To this day, I can’t bring myself to call my brother Mumini). This arises from the Yoruba fondness for the short forms of names. Even Yoruba names that start with “Oluwa” (God), “Ade” (royalty), “Ola” (wealth), etc. are often shortened. That’s why Oluwaseun is often rendered as Seun, Adewale as Wale, and Olanrewaju as Lanre, etc.
The following 10 Yorubaized Arabic names appear to be guided by the morphological rules I identified above.

1. Bakare. This is the Yoruba rendition of Abubakar (or Abu Bakr), the nickname of the first Caliph of Islam. As you can see, the “Abu” in the name is dispensed with, and the “Bakar” part of it is fitted with a terminal vowel. Refer to rules one and two above. Perhaps the most prominent bearer of this name is Pastor TundeBakare, former vice presidential candidate to General MuhammaduBuhari. Pastor Bakare was born a Muslim but converted to Christianity in his teens.

2. Buraimo. I doubt that many non-Yoruba Muslims will recognize this name as Ibrahim, but it is. It follows the morphological principle of number two I identified in my introductory remarks. The “I” in Ibrahim is dispensed with, and intermediate and terminal vowels are added to produce Buraimo, which is sometimes spelled as Buraimoh. People who follow Lagos politics are probably familiar with the “Baale Buraimo Edu of Epe.”

3. Disu. This is the Yoruba rendition of the Arabic name Idris. The initial vowel in Idris (that is “I”) is eliminated and a terminal vowel (that is, “u”) is added to it. Abdul Karim Disu, the first Nigerian to earn a graduate degree in journalism from Columbia University in 1944, is perhaps the first known Disu in Yorubaland.

4. Lamidi. I once had a conversation with a friend from Kastina about prominent Yoruba Muslims who bear no Muslim names.  I mentioned former Minister of Justice Prince Bola Ajibola, First Republic politician Alhaji Adegoke “Penkelemesi” Adelabu (who is late). My friend interrupted me and mentioned “Alhaji Lamidi Adedibu.” He was shocked when I told him Lamidi was a Muslim name.
“Which Muslim name is Lamidi?” he asked.
“Abdulhamid,” I said.
He was unconvinced. I told him because of Yoruba people’s fondness for the short forms of names, they often dispense with “Abdul” in Muslim names that begin with that prefix. So that leaves us with Hamid. Now, there is something some people call the “h-factor” in Yoruba, which is the tendency for Yoruba speakers to unconsciously eliminate the “h” sound in words in which it is normally pronounced and to add it to words that don’t have it. So “eat” is often pronounced as “heatt” and “heat” is pronounced as “it.” Given this phonological characteristic, “Hamid” becomes “Amid,” but the interference of the “l” sound in “Abdul” can also cause it to be rendered as “Lamid.” Now, like all Niger Congo languages, it’s unnatural for words to not have a terminal vowel, so a terminal vowel is added to Lamid to produce Lamidi.  My friend was persuaded.

5. Muroino or Muraino. As I explained in my introductory remarks, this is the Yoruba domestication of Imran, the father of Maryam (Mary) in the Qur’an. The initial vowel is eliminated and intermediate and terminal vowels are added.

6. Lasisi. This is Abdulaziz.  The “Abdul” in the original name is dispensed with, the “z” sound in the other half of the name is replaced with an “s” sound since there is no “z” in Yoruba orthography, and a terminal vowel (“i”) is added.

7. Romonu (Raymond). This is the shortened form of Abdulrahman.  Its domestication follows the same morphological principle as the preceding name.  The only thing to add is that in contemporary times many people who bear Romonu (or Ramonu) tend to Anglicize it to Raymond.
 
8. Sulu (and Sulufilu). Most Nigerians are familiar with the name Sulu-Gambari courtesy of the traditional ruling family in Ilorin. Well, the “Sulu” in the name is the Yorubaization of Zulkarnain (which is more correctly transliterated as Dhul-Qarnayn).  Since Yoruba has no “z” sound, the “z” in Zulkarnain is replaced with an “s,” and the rest of the name is lopped off.  Sulufilu, another Arabic name popular with Yoruba Muslims, is the domestication of Zulkifil.

9. Sumonu. That is Usman. Its formation follows the same morphological process that gave birth to Bakare, Buraimo, Disu, and Muraino. I used to have a classmate in primary school whose name was Sumonu Lamidi Lasisi.

10. Sunmola. That is Ismaeel. Like Bakare, Buraimo, Disu, Muraino, Sumonu, the first vowel in Ismaeel is chopped off and intermediate and terminal vowels are added to it.

Concluding Thoughts
Several other names came to mind when I thought of this article-names like Waidi (Abdulwahid),  Mukoila (Mikail), Muda, (Mudassar), etc. There are also other names that I simply couldn’t trace to any existing Arabic name I know of, but which Yoruba Muslims bear nonetheless.  This includes names like Shittu, Gbadamosi (now rendered as Bhadmus, which Hausa people bear as Badamasi), Raji (which many Fulani from northeastern Nigeria also bear), etc. I hope someone reading this can educate me on the origins of these names.
Whatever it is, it is remarkable that Yoruba Muslims have successfully domesticated Arabic names to the point of making them sound like native Yoruba names.

Category: The politics of grammar Published on Sunday, 13 July 2014 06:00 Written by Farooq Kperogi (PhD)

Missy89: Just one Important fact.

the new testament was written many decades after the disciples died and they had nothing to do with it.

Matthew Mark Luke John etc were fictitious

I agree and people seem to think the four of them were actually disciples.I think Mark was written first and that was over 100 years after the death of Christ.Probably the rest plagiarised his work and added a bit of theirs.

The Bible is also full of errors and its quite contradictory.

1. Jesus curses fig tree and it withers immediately (Matthew 21:18-20). Jesus curses this same fig tree and it does not wither immediately. The disciples observe it withered the next morning (Mark 11:12-14; 20-21).

2. Mark records Jesus as quoting from Isaiah (Mk. 1:2), when the words are actually from Malachi (3:1).

3. Matthew records a quote and credits it to Jeremiah (Mt. 27:9), when the majority of the quote is actually found in Zechariah (11:12, 13) not Jeremiah.

4. Jesus heals one demon-possessed man (at Gerasenes/Gergesenes/Gadarenes) and sends the demon into the pigs (Mark 5:1-20). But in Matthew’s story of the same event, Jesus heals two demon-possessed men (at Gerasenes/Gergesenes/Gadarenes) and sends the demons into the pigs (Matthew 8:28-34).

5. Most Bibles have no verse 24 of Romans chapter sixteen. The text skips from verse 23 to verse 25. Some kind of error occurs here.

6. Those that died in Numbers 25:9 are 24,000; whereas 1 Corinthians lists 23,000 for the same event.

7. Jesus tells the disciples to take a staff on their journey as recorded in Mark 6:8, but Matthew records Jesus as telling the disciples not to take a staff on that journey (10:9-10).

8. 2 Samuel says that God incited David to take a census (24:1-2); 1 Chronicles says that Satan induced David to take that census (21:1-2).

9. Matthew quotes Jesus as saying that the mustard seed is the smallest of all seeds (13:31-32). However, the mustard seed is not the smallest of all seeds.

10. Matthew says that Judas hanged himself (27:5), while the writer of Acts says that Judas died after falling headlong and bursting open (1:18).

This is only a short list of biblical errors or inconsistencies. This list is sufficient to make my point, however. After all, any difference, inconsistency, or error would mean that we could not strictly call the Bibles we read absolutely “inerrant.”

Not saying its totally false though but we have to be very frank its not perfect and its not exactly historically accurate.

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