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Missy89:
Thats one of my favorite all time German generals!!!, Along with Rommel and Heinz Guderian.

Those were the true professional who did their work and kept politics out as much as they can. The 3 of them were highly respected even among the Allies.

Yeah you took the words outta my mouth those 3 generals were simply brilliant.

Guderian the master tank strategist and proponent of the blitzkrieg. He opposed the criminal order to kill all political commissars but there wasn't much he could to to stop it.

Amongst all the generals interrogated in 1945 the verdict was Erich von Manstein was the ablest commander in the german army. The decision to go through the thick woods of Ardenne was a masterstroke by him.

As for Rommel the british can testify to his genius, the american army greatly admired his tactics.

They all hated Hitler though and were very patriotic soldiers.

Missy89:
you are seeing it from another perspective.

You are looking at their actions but i was more concerned about their position (which would have gave him insider information) so what they say in their memoirs should be considered as facts or close to what originally happened,

But yeah Gamelein was a failure and Truman didn't even know about the bomb till he was sworn in

I agree but people who publish their memoirs have a way of dignifying themselves even when they were part of the system. I've read quite a few though. I read Erich Von Manstein's Lost Victories couple of years back. Great reading if you lay your hands on it.

@ Missy89
Was Truman really one of the most important figues in the war? Seriously aside from giving the GO for the dropping of the bomb I think you give him too much credit. He was an inconsequential senator from Missouri foistered on Roosevelt as his VP , he only spoke to Roosevelt twice in his 82 days as VP. His tough man acts only served to infuriate the Russians hence building the distrust leading up to the cold war.

As for Maurice Gamelein his glory days were gone and he was the very cause of the defeat the french suffered, don't know what you read about him though, history has a way of being kind to some incompetent generals. He was a gutless commander no different from the french clowns parading themselves as politicians in those turbulent times. He never even stepped foot at the frontlines to raise the morale of his troops, his HQ was a french chateau on the outskirts of Paris , it had no communication with any other HQ in the field and messages were sent out by the hour on motorcycle.

BananaBender:
Dumb a*ss! I'm not going after those that follow Shy. Liked one of your threads, wanted to gauge your intelligence.

This is just to get a reaction; you're not smart after all and you have puccy tendencies.

*Trust me, I'll whoop your gay a*Ss so bad, you would deactivate your account.

you cracking me up this morning laffin at 'gauge your intelligence'. Is it #JokeMonday or what?

Bring it on b1tch I'm a veteran of many e-wars on NL and I always come out unscathed.

BananaBender:
I said it! I know a puccy a*ss nigga when I see one

I have no spat with Shy, he is my son. You on the other hand, are the biggest stalker/crusher NL have never seen. Following all the accounts of one nigga so you can meticulously read every post he makes on NL?? Jeez

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*yawns*
B1tch you're boring try a new line
Aren't you too old for dis sh1t? C'mon its a monday morning, put your welfare check to meaningful use and quit trolling on NL.

I'm not shymexx ok, I'll go e-insurgent on your black a55. .Now you go after all his followers for what? If you're exchanging banter with him then keep it on don't be a vengeful broad about it.

BananaBender:
^^Is guyfawkes your alt. account? Just noticed the moniker.

This nigga follows shymexx and sirshymex. How can any nigga be that determined to read another man's post? Gaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyy

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Jeez you brought your little spat over from the family section

How can a broad be stalking a nigga all over NL?

Missy89:
I only watch those clowns for educational purpose on YouTube. Shymexx has been trying hard to use reverse psychology tactic to discredit what i have been saying. he keeps throwing in one or 2 jabs and setting up minefields in his submission but i can see them and will keep avoiding it

Hannity, O'reilly and all those minions of faux news are comic reliefs for me. I followed the thread all through, no doubt he disagrees with the way you dismissed the chinese strength as a world power today, although they aren't at the lvel of the US but I also disagree with the 3,4 decades timescale you ascribed to them.

Also I reiterate my earlier post, the allies never took Hitler serious, even the germans in the 1920's thought he was a wacko. If they took him serious they'd have easily stopped him in the 30's while the germans were still relaunching their armament industries. Heck the the germans even made him chancellor in order to control him through the normal bureaucratic redtape and inefficiency.

SirShymex:
Tell Missy.

She has been watching too much Fox News of late. Sean Hannity and Billy O'reilly!

I doubt she watches all those vitriolic nonsense spewed on faux news

She knows better than that.

So its cripples that have monopoly of the internet 24/7 I can't laugh

Been following the debate btw shymexx and missy89 for d last couple of days, I'm enjoying it though

Not to digress from the topic been discussed. The allies seriously underestimated the extent of Hitler's ambition leading up to the 2nd world war.

destante:
I love this. Large size churches are errected daily on arable lands on the Lagos ib expressway.

For real that land is very arable, imagine the millions that would be fed and jobs that would be created in the agriculture industry, oil prices are falling fas, its time to diversify.

SailorXY:
so what has happened to all the empty acres in Epe, Benin, Zamfara, Yobe, Osun, Badagry, etc? drive from Lagos to Gombe, there are wasted acres lying fallow its unbelievable.

my friend, you are not thinking @ all

And you are the one thinking ?

mmsen:
95% tax rate for all religious houses.

Use the money to invest in cheaper/subsidized internet, a network of public libraries and a campaign stressing the benefits of knowledge acquisition/independent learning.

100% agree with you, i was even advocating 75% tax rate.
Also all those vast hectares of land used for crusade grounds are useless to nation building, they should be used for large scale mechanised farming.

SirShymex:
While others are sending soldiers to fight Ebola, the little Island of Cuba has done more than other countries combined, in helping Africa to fight Ebola.

The legacy of Che Guavara, and the connection between Cuba and Africa.

Viva Cuba!

Viva la revolucion

They see it as some sort of fall back option, but its still being disloyal.

Pathetic and sickening
Torturing a 12 year old girl, how are they different from the terrorists?
She's as much a victim as anybody caught in between the savagery of boko haram.
Anybody cheering this needs to be in a strait jacket.

destante:
mine are softsparkyy davide470 valmunich jennydoris naijaboiy and guyfawkes for their sane and/or jovial contributions to my followings.

I'm flattered
I love to read your diary and your various contributions to NL, very articulate and intelligent.

NNS Aradu was acquired under Shagari's tenure and its the Nigerian Navy's flagship albeit an outdated one. All those pics are full of frigates,WW2 destroyers and tugboats, maybe we can boast of something modern when the chinese deliver the stealth ships they are building for the NN.

Battleships are outdated and don't fit into modern warfare but modern and sophisticated destroyers are still the real deal. The era of the battleship ended when the Japanese sunk the HMS prince of wales and HMS repulse in december 1941, it also ended the british navys dominion on the seas.

TheShopKeeper:
Please where can I get to read all these? thanks

Look for books on Lagos history in your library, I also did some findings myself from old lagos islanders.

Natascha:
OP, go suck ur extra small ebola infected deeck! Small brain shaaaaa

That's kinda harsh
Ebola shouldn't be the butt of jokes

Missy89:
u've got to be kidding me.

smh

You've gotta wonder what's the IQ of millions of Nigerians,I mean NL is the biggest forum in this country and I'm amazed at the denseness level one is confronted with everyday.
Its just a sad case.

Jeez its only in Nigeria people will blame their enemies or people witchhunting FFS Plagiarism is a serious offence in civilized nations, you can't just copy someone elses intellectual property without giving credit, its been emphasised by so many sensible posters on NL but some folks are still screaming blue murder.

In a country where people just copy and paste their assignments from the internet even their final year projects it shouldn't come as a suprise.

SirShymex:
Very insightful and educative. What about the Egbas and Ijeshas (you missed them in your post), where did they settle on the Island? I know a lot of Yoruba academics of the Yoruba renaissance with Lagos as the new Mecca in the 19th and early 20th were of Egba and Ijesha descent. I believe the Ekitis were the first settlers around where the British colonial rail terminal was in Iddo. And I think that is on the mainland, if I'm right. And Oyos settled in Ikoyi.

Yes, I got the Akitoye bit lol. Anyway, do you know any of the former Lagos King's grand children from London? I know some guy who's from Peckham, born and raised as well, but lived in naija for like 2 years in boarding school. He's an "older" in his 30s and one of originals - an OG. Apparently, he said his grandad was the former King. He's family though.

So, the Dawodu is just one branch of Oshodi Tapa's lineage. I know there are still Oshodis out there. And they are Yorubanised nupes. Great. There are also Dawodus from Ikorodu, who are Ijebus.

As for where the Egbas settled look no further than the Saros, the Saros are actually the Egbas who returned from slavery, some made their way back to Abeokuta and were the pioneers of the CMS in Nigeria alongside the Europeans. Olowogbowo in Lagos Island was their abode although a good number of them were settled in Ebute Metta by the colonials.


According to what I read sometime ago
The southwest part of Ido Island was settled by a group of migrants whose origins were traced to Aramoko in the Ekiti area. This group's first headman, Kueji, married an Ido woman, one Isikoko by name, and they settled at Ijo-Ara (Ijora) where Kueji took the Ojora titles, Aro and Odofin, eventually arose within the Ojora line.

The Ijeshas were prominent in Lagos Island then and were very educated fellows, Haastrup family in Lagos are from Ijesha. The first Haastrup Kumokun was a slave returnee via Sierra Leone. In Lagos, he acquired large tracts of property at Ibeju Lekki and present day Igbobi, where he cultivated Kola-nuts (Yoruba: obi)on a commercial scale. The area consequently became known as igbo-obi (kola nut plantation)subsequently shortened to Igbobi a well known area of Lagos.

Kúmókụn Haastrup became known in Ijéṣaland during the Kiriji wars [1877-1893], when he was a member of the Ekiti parapo solidarity group in Lagos. The organization supplied arms to Ijéṣa warriors who were at war with Ibadan. He was later pivotal in advising the Owa (King) during peace negotiations with the British and Ibadan that brokered the end of hostilities.

The founder of Onikoyi family lived at Oke-Ipa on Ikoyi Island, named after his ancestral home which was believed to have been in Old Oyo. Adeyemi a leader of the Oke-Ipa settlement married Efunluyi, daughter of Meku aromire, who was believed to be the sixth title holder of the Aromire line. In honour of her deliverance of a son, called Muti, Chief Meku allocated to his daughter and son-in-law a plot of land near Iga Aromire "Aromire Court", on Lagos Island. The house built on that plot became Iga Onikoyi and Aromire's son-in-law the first holder of an Idejo title in Lagos, the Onikoyi title. All in all, four related Idejo chieftaincies came out of the Aromire line: Aromire itself, Onitolo, Onitano, and Onikoyi.

Oba Oyekan was the former king if that's the one the person was talking about, I know some names of his children.

One of Oshodi Tapa's 47 children was named Daudu so I guess he started that branch cos not all of them retained the Oshodi name but there are many of them out there, I know some very close to my family no doubt because of the Epetedo connection. They earned the right to be called Lagosians anyway. Nupes are cousins of the yorubas looking at it in hindsight.

SirShymex:
Thanks for the insightful post, brother. The name makes sense now. I believe there is another Awori settlement in Épe and it seems they are the ones who remained in Épe, after King Kosoko returned back to the Island, from exile.

Anyway, during the "mythBusters" series last year, I came across a few research papers, it seems almost all Yorubas have different settlements on the Island, including the Saros and Amaros. And the names of those areas represent which group settled there, and that transcended into the Eyo festival thing. I went to the Brazilian bit when I was in Lagos last Dec., and they still have the Portuguese street names, and the Brazilian influence is evident there.

Also, I think the Ijebus were the second to settle there after the Aworis, before the Binis came. Which parts of Lagos Island are Ijebu settlements?

I know Akitoye. Wasn't he the first proper Yoruba King of Lagos Island, without any Bini connection? Not sure - will have to check my scholarship archives.

And aren't this generation of Oshodi Tapa's descendants called, "Dawodu?" I met a naija Uncle one time, during a discussion about Lagos history in a family gathering, and he alluded to this. He said his surname is Dawodu but he's from Oshodi Tapa's lineage.

Yes some followers of Kosoko did remain behind in Epe, although Epe is a distinctly Ijebu town there are some natives regarded as Lagos Epe folks no doubt Kosoko followers. So we have Lagos Epe and Ijebu Epe.

Most settlers who came from the hinterland as well as slave returnees had a part of Lagos Island they settled in. Sierra Leonian and the Brazilian returnees. Sierra Leonians or “Saros” in Local parlance settled in Olowogbowo and Ofin areas of the business districts. The Agudas as the Brazilian refugees were called occupied an area between Tinubu and Campus Square.

The Nupes and other northern emigrants occupied Lafiaji Ago (Obalende) and the precincts of the Lagos Central Mosque while the Mahins and Eguns settled at Oke Faji. Ikoyi and Victoria Island were occupied by refugees from the former Gold Coast (Ghana) victims of the Ashante Fanti Civil war, while the Lekki peninsula was occupied by the Aworis, Ijebus and Dahomeans.

From my little research I believe the Ijebus were already settling to the south of the coast as at the 15th century. Idumagbo,Idumota and Ebute Ero are no doubt Ijebu settlements on Lagos island where they transacted business.

Oba Akitoye was the first Oba not to be buried in a Bini. Prior to this, all the Kings of lagos were buried in Bini. It was during his reign the Bini influence over Lagos ended. So I think he also had a Bini connection doesn't mean he wasn't yoruba so to speak

Yeah the uncle was right Dawodu is a lineage of Oshodi tapa, probably started from one of his 47 children named Daudu.

SirShymex:
My bad, I knew you were from Lagos but forgot about ya Ijebu links. So, we the Lagos Ijebus are increasing on these sides lol. I know Pstylish is Épe Ijebu like me. And there was another guy from Germany, who used to be a regular in the foreign section. I believe he is also Lagos Ijebu apparently from Ibeju Lekki axis. Lagos Ijebu connect.

Anyway, can you please educate me on the history of Epetedo?

To summarise it Epetedo in present Lagos Island was where Kosoko and his followers (the war chief Oshodi Tapa prominent amongst them) settled in circa 1862 after he returned from Epe on exile, no thanks to the tussle with Akitoye who was supported by the British.

The Epetedo area is laid out into 21 compounds to the best of my knowledge and Kosokos followers settled there. I came across bits of information when I studied the Oshodi Tapa, Oba Eshinlokun and Kosoko's war chief who you know migrated from Bida in present Niger state.

SirShymex:
That's my nyggah, GuyFawkes. Are you Ijebu as well?

Anyway, you lot need to allow Ijebus of this generation, we just want to get money, and have fun. I wasn't born during kiriji wars, and I'm proud of being Yoruba. I'm definitely not stingy, fetish, wicked, or cowardly. You can't survive being a coward where I'm from. So brave I used to walk around by myself like I'm bulletproof, in some of the most dangerous places out here. And I'm from the jungle.

The stingy thing is just shocking to me since most Ijebus that I know would give you their right hand if it were possible. And offline, I'm probably the nicest person you'll ever meet. I don't even take life that seriously. I believe I'm living on borrowed time, so giving is the easiest thing for me to do.

Told you sometime ago bro I'm from Epetedo, Lagos Island, my mum is from Ijebu remo/Sagamu, her mum is from Epe ijebu side.
The thing is many yorubas especially in Lagos are interwoven with Ijebu somehow so we are one.

Don't believe in all those silly tales about Ijebus, its actually very stale and most Yorubas don't believe it in this modern day. How can the folks who throw the largest and flamboyant parties be regarded as stingy There's always a party in Ikorodu,Epe,Ijebu Ode every weekend.

As someone alluded to earlier albeit in a miscontrued manner, Ijebu women have always been very industrious and they've been owning properties from way back, I doubt there's a street in Lagos they don't own properties and that's talking about the women from the old days. Not to forget they also introduced the Damask material to Nigeria to mention a few.

Missy89:
what's Kentiri ke?

I think the mistrust is only within ondo town thou but i might be wrong. i am actually hearing about this friction for the first time.

Or is Kitire ke or Ketiri ke
I meant the standard ondo greeting

I was suprised when she told me sometime in 2012 and she never elaborated the issue. Maybe its only in ondo town.

I have come across a few Yoruba folks who have unpleasant things against the Ijebus but most of their utterances lack any sort of substance and might just be tales they picked up among the older folks in their families.

Ijebus were savvy businessmen especially during the Yoruba internicine wars and mounted toll gates on the path towards Lagos which was the only way the Ibadan armies in particular could be supplied with arms, they also profited from the slave trade, not forgetting they were the pioneers in textile business during the early periods of colonization.

But all that is history and I don't see why modern yoruba folks should have biases against Ijebus anyway based on tales by moonlight. Ijebu's are very prominent in Lagos and Ogun so there's no way you won't have some sort of business to do with them.

The Ijebu mistrust is prominent among Ondo folks and I wonder why My ex Gf is from Ondo town and she used to say her parents will accept any other yoruba subgroup but Ijebu.

Missy89 kentiri ke
Shymexx Esooo

taiwoakin:
Secular means not subject to or bound by religious rule.

Lagos schools have never been secular, they conducted christian assemblies throughout the week until Muslims demanded that they have thursday and friday assembly and not even every Lagos school has complied (depending on the PTA) 3 days for christians and 2 for muslims)

They close at 1pm on fridays to enable Muslims attend the jumaat service
They conduct christian valedictory service for Teachers transferred to other schools and so on and so forth

Isn't hijab an islamic rule?

taiwoakin:
No am not saying Muslims have been unfairly treated
Am simply saying the Religion of the candidate for Lagos Governorship has never been and should never be a point
in order not to set a bad precedent of religious politics.

Regarding the issue of Mary, if we start that discussion, it may never end but the point i want to make is that
If the Mother of Jesus could use an head cover during hr times, Why are many Christians always castigating the use of hijab unnecessarily

Well neither am I advocating a chistian governor or whatever, since when did religion become a yardstick for competence? But the demands of the so called Lagos muslims has undertones of demanding a muslim governor.

As I said nobody saw Mary the mother of Jesus, you base your assumptions on those illustrations by the catholic church, covering the hair might have been the norm in that period in history even and it wasn't all about religion.

No one is castigating muslims for wearing hijab, Lagos state wants its schools to remain secular and have uniformity simple.