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horsepower101:
Yes you are correct but those are complimentary.

If all those nations one day refuse to allow Ethiopia access to their ports, Ethiopia can still use their cargo to bring in important goods.

We have River ports, we are building cargo airport, i dont know where u are driving to.

We want a deep seaport at the extreme east of the island off Opobo.

superlightning:
Nice one.

For me, I won't settle for a shrinky igboland. We are expansionists and minorities will NEVER beat us to it. We shall expand igboland either through politics or through commerce.

Igbos slaves bought their freedom in the past (eg king jaja, olaudah equiano, etc). We bought lands in the past to expand our territory through mutually and legally transacted boundary adjustments. We owned businesses to become stake holders in our host communities outside igboland.....

We are expansionists NOT isolationists.

Gbam!


U said it all.

OMANBALA1:
We can have a future in Nigeria if we want to but while we are at it we can also refused to be gamed and played by the resentful Nigerians.

Nna, dat is the spirit.

Let us start rub minds together and start our own game and make them players.

horsepower101:
You totally misunderstood me. I am not saying that we don’t need to ship goods but we can complement it with cargo.


Do you know why Ethiopia developed the best airline in Africa? It’s because they are land locked. Today they use cargo airline to supply most of the country’s import.

On side not the south east as currently constituted is not land locked.

The also use Kenya seaport and Djibouti


Recently made peace with Eritrea and might be using their seaport in the near future.

pazienza:
Lol!
I never said we are hateful people. Politics is not about love or hate. It's about interests.

Our interests aligned with those of Buhari in 2003 and 2007 when PDP snubbed and refused to repay our loyalty, but we were too blind to see it.

Our interests might yet align with his again, should Atiku and PDP snub us again.

See, like someone said . Our interest shouldn't be whether Buhari is crashing Nigerian economy or whether Nigeria is getting worst under Buhari leadership.
Our interests should be these:

1. Can Buhari and APC guarantee us automatic Senate presidency slot, which as far as I'm concerned, is open, as Saraki had left APC

2. Can Buhari gurantee top ministerial appointments to our Igbo technocrats?

3. Can Buhari guarantee upgrading AIIA into real international airport and waving off bottlenecks the currently plaguing that airport?

4. Position in the NEC in Buhari government.

5. SE prioritized in infrastructural development of the nation and no longer sidelined.

6. Etc.

The above should be our interest and not if Buhari love or hate us. Or if he is leading Nigeria to doom.
Problem is that Ndiigbo seem to be majoring on the minor, and minoring on the major.

While SW are hustling for what to extract from Buhari. Ndiigbo are interested on Buhari poor leadership.
Yet we miraculously what to still have Buhari do something for us in the end, even when we never hustled for it.

I love this.


More please.


Who dont know Nigeria is survival of the fittest.

Let us face front and drive safely, we might arrive safely.

pazienza:
I'm only extrapolating and adding more perspective to your opinions. I agree with you, as you can see my affirmation of that with the word "Yes".

Of course..

I recently met a man from Benin who seems to claim Anioma people and was telling me how they can see onitsha from Edo state.


He wanted to claim onitsha too but met resistance at my hands.

Then he moved to Delta state as a whole.

The reason why i am saying this is becos, we have part of Igbo land now in Benue, Cross River, Edo.

They will keep cutting until AWKA will remain the only Igbo land left.

We need to stop defensive approach and start attacking.

If u want to be moral and in paradise, go to heaven, here on earth it is war.

Those prepared will always emerge victorious.

That land u want to hold, is already in another person contemplation, who desire that land and will do anything to take it from u.

Let us be realistic.

pazienza:
Yes! The Aworis are not different from the Ikwerre. The Ijebus are not different from the Ekpeye/Ogba. Those groups use to reject Yoruba tag.
The Egun (Badagry) are not Yoruba at all. Their language is distinct, yet they grudgingly accept the Yoruba tag today.

If the Yorubas lost a civil war, the Awori would be chanting their Bini connections lots more than they do today, like the Anioma are doing. Heck, the Oba of Lagos even had the audacity to tell Yorubas that Lagos is of Bini ancestry recently.
Ijebus were struggling with accepting the Yoruba tag as early as 1950s, if Yoruba lost a civil war, they would try to maintain their distinctiveness and hype more on their supposedly Sudan origin. Till today, Ijebus don't accept they are descendants of Oduduwa, yet Oduduwa is supposed to be the unification factor for Yorubas.
Eguns are to Yorubas, like Ogonis were to us in Ph area. If the war didn't occur, Ogonis would occasionally not mind being called Ibos. While still maintaining their Ogoni ethnicity and language.

All these things are a fall out of Nzeogwu coup and the civil war. It changed our course of history, and we are here to pick up the pieces. Wallowing on ifs will not help us. Holding tenaciously on a past that nolonger exists, will not help us too. Our best deal is to work with what we have, and what we currently have is SE and Obigbo.

When the Qing dynasty fell to the British, and the Manchurians who ran it, became subject to resentment by the Han Chinese tribes. Many Manchurian became deeply involved in identity crisis. They did many things to deny their origin, to fit into the new Han Chinese controlled China. What is happening to us, is not unprecedented in human history. It's the hydra headed fruits of ignominy of defeat.

This phase of our history would also pass, but the more we refuse to work with the current reality, but instead cling unto a past that is no longer obtainable, the more we prolong this phase of our history.

There is nothing like Obiigbo only.

Ijaw, Benin, Igala and Yoruba are never going to stop growing.


There is no where to grow to but Obiigbo.

The earlier we realise that we once decided to leave in our enclave but foreigners came to our enclave killed our children and men and raped our mothers/sisters.

Dragging us screaming and against our will back into Nigeria, the better.

Heck they recently repeated it at Kanu father house last year.

pazienza:
Yes! The Aworis are not different from the Ikwerre. The Ijebus are not different from the Ekpeye/Ogba. Those groups use to reject Yoruba tag.
The Egun (Badagry) are not Yoruba at all. Their language is distinct, yet they grudgingly accept the Yoruba tag today.

If the Yorubas lost a civil war, the Awori would be chanting their Bini connections a more today, like the Anioma are doing. Heck, the Oba of Lagos even had the audacity to tell Yorubas that Lagos is of Bini ancestry recently.
Ijebus were struggling with accepting the Yoruba tag as early as 1950s, if Yoruba lost a civil war, they would try to maintain their distinctiveness and hype more on their supposedly Sudan origin. Till today, Ijebus don't accept they are descendants of Oduduwa, yet Oduduwa is supposed to be the unification factor for Yorubas.
Eguns are to Yorubas, like Ogonis were to us in Ph area. If the war didn't occur, Ogonis would occasionally not mind being called Ibos. While still maintaining their Ogoni ethnicity and language.

All these things are a fall out of Nzeogwu coup and the civil war. It changed our course of history, and we are here to pick up the pieces. Wallowing on ifs will not help us. Holding tenaciously on a past that nolonger exists, will not help us too. Our best deal is to work with what we have, and what we currently have is SE and Obigbo.

When the Qing dynasty fell to the British, and the Manchurians who ran it, became subject to resentment by the Han Chinese tribes. Many Manchurian became deeply involved in identity crisis. They did many things to deny their origin, to fit into the new Han Chinese controlled China.

This phase of our history would also past, but the more we refuse to work with the current reality, but instead cling unto a past that is no longer obtainable, the more we prolong this phase of our history.

hammer6F:
Had Igbo leaders first made move to secure the territorial integrity of Igbo land and unify the various Igbo clans first, then the next move would be to capture the rest of Rivers lowland into the Igbo family via association, media and mutual interchangeable interest.

They should be the ones denouncing Ijaw and claiming Igbo and not Igbo denouncing and claiming Ijaw. Naturally like the yorubas, we would have secured a modern Atlantic coastline.

That opportunity is now forever lost in time.

We are saying the same thing.

However, I am looking at the reality of today and how to make the best of it.

horsepower101:
Masssive cargo planes like C30 with 5 cargo airports in the East will solve our daily importation needs. A lot of nations are beginning to use cargo planes for massive imports.

So Igbo nation will not have a Navy?

This was exactly how we got blockaded.


The capacity of a Cargo ship cannot be substitutted by even 20 C30 cargo plane.

Bede2u:
the thing i will say in this matter after reading posts from hammer6f is that if we are ever planning an independent igbo nation we MUST work with this map...no matter the opinion of the various clans captured within it...cos the wolf doesnt concern itself with the opinion of the sheep

www.nairaland.com/attachments/3131018_igboland_jpeg72ffdbe9771892b98ffe883330da1679
If it means war, i will pick up arms God willing

However, if we are talking about igbo within nigeria, then we must primarily work with the map of SE

Our best option now to access the Atlantic ocean is in the map above, subject to agreement by the ogoni that we will be passing through their land to Bonny and Opobo to access the seaport and they stand to benefit economically from this transit of people and cargo.


So we must ensure that we secure the people of bonny stretching down to Opobo as our own since they already speak Igbo if we are to gain access to the Atlantic Ocean.

pazienza:
Oyigbo and Egbema would always happily return to us.
Brotherhood is meaningless, if it has to be forced.

Ikwerres and their ilks are not our brothers, they are not worth fighting for.

If your aim of wanting Ikwerre and co is for territorial sake, then I'd say you have point, and then I would ask you, why stop at Ikwerre and co. You can as well take the rest of Rivers lowland in battle,and open up a modern Igbo Atlantic coastline, if that's what you want. But that's barbaric way of doing things, and the opportunity for that is long gone.

Since we are all gentlemen and civilized beings here, and we are all interested in building a Pan Igbo nation, where all components are involved in, out of shared and mutual feeling of brotherhood, and not out of coercion, as is the case with Nigerian groups, then I would say that Ikwerre and their Igboid co travellers in Rivers state, simply don't fit in.
I'm sure you would understand better, if you look at it more closely.

Had Igbo leaders first made move to secure the territorial integrity of Igbo land and unify the various Igbo clans first, then the next move would be to capture the rest of Rivers lowland into the Igbo family via association, media and mutual interchangeable interest.

They should be the ones denouncing Ijaw and claiming Igbo and not Igbo denouncing and claiming Ijaw. Naturally like the yorubas, we would have secured a modern Atlantic coastline.

That opportunity is now forever lost in time.

pazienza:
Oyigbo and Egbema would always happily return to us.
Brotherhood is meaningless, if it has to be forced.

Ikwerres and their ilks are not our brothers, they are not worth fighting for.

If your aim of wanting Ikwerre and co is for territorial sake, then I'd say you have point, and then I would ask you, why stop at Ikwerre and co. You can as well take the rest of Rivers lowland in battle,and open up a modern Igbo Atlantic coastline, if that's what you want. But that's barbaric way of doing things, and the opportunity for that is long gone.

Since we are all gentlemen and civilized beings here, and we are all interested in building a Pan Igbo nation, where all components are involved in, out of shared and mutual feeling of brotherhood, and not out of coercion, as is the case with Nigerian groups, then I would say that Ikwerre and their Igboid co travellers in Rivers state, simply don't fit in.
I'm sure you would understand better, if you look at it more closely.

On your second paragraph, If Igbo had visionary leaders who put the interest of Igbo before their personal ambition then we would not be having this conversation.

Believe it or not Yoruba coastline was no different to Igbo coastline. Much of Yoruba were landlocked. The yoruba, like the Igbo were not coastal dwellers.

This is why u here story like Lagos is owned by Bini or Ijaws in Ondo and Itsekiri etc.

However, swiftly after independence, whilst Igbo leaders like Aguyi Ironsi and Nnamdi Azikiwe were busy forming imaginary brotherhood with people they dont know.

Yoruba leaders like Awolowo were busy unifying the Yoruba ethnic group and mobilising the different clans, right up to what was known as the mid-west region.

Ironically, our dear Anioma brothers were willed to the western region and subsequent mid-west region. That speaks volumes about the type of leaders Ndiiigbo have and the origin of our present predicament.

Even the Ijaw, made moves to unify their various clans when people like Adaka Boro initially seceded from Nigeria.

Guess wat, it was the same cluesless Igbo leaders of that age that fought tooth and nail to bring them back into the fold of Nigeria.

In politics, all u need is media to state the terms and conditions so all is aware.

At the end of the day, Yoruba will carry all the balme once again.

pazienza:
Why not. You lots out of your emotional attachments to Igbophobic entities, had degraded the Igbo tag. Any opportunist can always acquire an Igbo name and come and tell us they are Igbo, all in bid to shortchange, use and dump us.
You and your ilks are to blame for this.
Atiku must be fancying his chance of becoming an "election period" Igbo, remember they have told us here that we have Cultural Igbos and political Igbos. And then Cultural Igbos who are not political Igbos.
You lots have created opportunity were impostors can easily exploit us. I had already seen a picture where Atiku was addressed as Atiku Ekpereamaka Ikechukwu and other funny names. Soon Atiku would land to Igboland on Isiagu and one of those hungry warrant chiefs turned Eze/Igwe would give him one useless Igbo title. And voila, Atiku becomes Igbo.

Ife Ndiozo melu Igbo ajoka, mana ife Igbo melu onwe ha,ka njo.

lollz!

The issue has been long running.


We together have a responsibility to fix it.


Whoever Atiku picks will be responsible for Atiku failure at the polls.


Let him go and choose a SW, we will simply sit in our house and boycott the election.


Buhari wont benefit anything from that, let the SW now choose between Atiku and Buhari.

pazienza:
It's not a tough choice. It's an easy choice.

APC would win Yorubaland regardless of who Atiku pick as VP. But if he slights the SE by picking a VP outside the zone, he would lose the zone entirely.

Telling Atiku to pick SW VP to divide Buhari votes in SW, is as good as telling Buhari to pick an Igbo VP in 2015, to divide GEJ Igbo support.

It's political suicide, and those making such suggestions to Atiku are those who don't mean well for him.

Maybe Atiku thinks he is now an Igbo man.


Yoruba muslims will always vote Buhari just like the Almajiri North.

Atiku only hope in SW is Yoruba Christians, much of who attend RCCG.

Buhari VP is a Pastor with RCCG.

Yoruba will never give Atiku a block vote.

The emergence of Atiku as PDP candidate was on the back of SE who rallied delegate from certain SS states and middlebelt.

Yoruba never wanted Atiku.

FFK went with Kwankwaso.

Fayosi went with Tambuwal.

OBJ never wanted him till tomorrow

Yoruba want the VP so Atiku will lose the election. They never wanted him anyway.

SAHARA REPORTERS DEAD.

NO REASONABLE PERSON TAKES THEM SERIOUSLY.

pazienza:
Very hilarious

We will use SS people like Cjrane, NnamdiJonathan, ChinenyeN, Aniomafirstson, Ikenna as willing tools.


We are already in and then the plan commence.


We have left them long enough, it is time we gave dem a taste of their own medicine and start toying with dem.

pazienza:
This is exactly what will happen. I know how loudmouthed Yorubas can be. They wouldn't keep quiet about it. They would boast about it everyday and humiliate and embarrass Ndiigbo in every social media platforms available. Our people wouldn't be able to endure it. We would seek to Pay Atiku back, but Buhari wouldn't be an option, so naturally, what would happen is voters apathy with people staying at home that day, with IPOB taking all the credits.

The sole enemies of Ndiigbo are Yoruba not Hausa.

Yoruba are passionate about Igbos.

That is y almost all their male want Igbo wife they can dominate.

U guys need to get with the psychology at play.

pazienza:
Where you people get this type of thought process from, baffles me.
We don't need to deal with them. We just rejected them entirely. Which means, nobody from there can come and take our slots. Any body that attempts to use those Igbophobic Igboids as reps for Ndiigbo would be violently reminded that the Igboid is not Igbo, and couldn't be representing us.

The likes of Emefiele(Ika) have already escaped. But in the future, when a president makes such statement to claim he reps us, we would write a well detailed article and circulate, stating clearly that he is Ika and not Igbo, and so couldn't be representing Ndiigbo. We would be very vocal about it.

This is not a matter, if u want to give them your slot then do so.

Are they holding a gun to Ndiigbo head?

Secondly, SS Igbos need to be subjugated, they were forced to deny Igbos via subjugation, thus to reverse the process, they need to be reconquered and re-colonised.

pazienza:
If Atiku picks a SW VP, he would have committed political suicide.

I wouldn't campaign for Buhari either. I would campaign we tone down our antagonism towards Buhari and allow him finish his tenure.
What would happen should Atiku pick a SW would be that IPOB " no election " message would resonate more on the presidential elections day. Voters apathy would be high.

PDP wouldn't be able to rig using absentee voters, as APC currently control the rigging machinery.
Buhari would record landslide victory, and maybe, seeing we were no hindrance to his ascension, his antagonism towards SE would perhaps decrease. So, it wouldn't be an entirely lose-lose scenario.

Maybe after this, in 2023, PDP would take the region serious.

If Atiku pick a SW V, it simply means Nnamdi Kanu was right.

Lock down and sit at home call on election day is in order.

As an Igbo man, Nnamdi Kanu will always have my uttmost respect.

Whereever they are holding him, u can rest assured that he would have been severely tortured alongside his parents.

Abagworo:
Saraki is pure Fulani name just like Gambari. Kwara has Yoruba, Nupe, Fulani and other tribes.

Bukola Saraki might be mixed with Fulani but dont for a second doubt that Bukola is a yoruba name and he is yoruba.

xfactor23:
Pazienza is not a politician, and should not be allowed into the circle of politics. He will spoil things for us with his volatile emotion. He should remain an intellectual in the medical field he is doing great. Pazienza focus more on your calling and leave politics for those of us that are less emotional about turns of events.

We need pazienza indeed, he is a great mind and great minds think alike.

pazienza:
If you would pick up firearms to forcefully keep a people who don't want to be with you, in your new country. Tell me, how then are you different from Nigerians who forcefully kept us in a union we fought to leave in 1967?
Have you ever thought of this perspective?

That is just it, it is Ok wen they do all soughts to Igbos but not Ok for Igbo to even think or entertain the same against them.


There is something wrong with this angelic strand of thinking.

The problem the SS Igbos are having is that Ndiigbo have given them free hand.

We have failed to conquer them.

ChinenyeN:
See how you sound.. "if it means war".

1. Your territory is not even sovereign sef, neither does it have any real sense of polity. There is no charter that binds the region, that can protect you from the political, moral or even economic consequences of even thinking in this type of mindset.

2. Your people are not mobilized, talk less of having yet gotten over a prior war to come and fight another in their own backyard. Incidentally, doing the exact same things that the non-Igbo Igbo communities have been accusing you of doing for decades now.

Congratulations, you are now exactly what the SS claims you to be.

Nobody spoke about war, Ndiigbo are far more sophisticated than that, we are talking politics.

We will deal with SS Igbos politically.

By the time we are through, they will be more or less conquered territory and submissive.

Bede2u:
the thing i will say in this matter after reading posts from hammer6f is that if we are ever planning an independent igbo nation we MUST work with this map...no matter the opinion of the various clans captured within it...cos the wolf doesnt concern itself with the opinion of the sheep

www.nairaland.com/attachments/3131018_igboland_jpeg72ffdbe9771892b98ffe883330da1679
If it means war, i will pick up arms God willing

However, if we are talking about igbo within nigeria, then we must primarily work with the map of SE

Nwanne nara aka biko...


We will surely deal with them, in our own way.

onuebonyi:
I am still in PH, I took these pictures this evening around 10pm. Wike is doing his best so far.

PH has no appeal wat so ever.

I dont see myself living there.

Wen u post Enugu, I am like wow.

pazienza:
Oyigbo and Egbema would always happily return to us.
Brotherhood is meaningless, if it has to be forced.

Ikwerres and their ilks are not our brothers, they are not worth fighting for.

If your answer aim of wanting Ikwerre and co is for territorial sake, then I'd say you have point, and then I would ask you, why stop at Ikwerre and co. You can as well take the rest of Rivers lowland in battlePolitics ,and open up a modern Igbo Atlantic coastline, if that's what you want. But that's barbaric way of doing things.

Since we are all gentlemen and civilized beings here, and we are all interested in building a Pan Igbo nation, where all components are involved in, out of shared and mutual feeling of brotherhood, and not out of coercion, as is the case with Nigerian groups, then I would say that Ikwerre and their Igboid co travellers in Rivers state, simply don't fit in.
I'm sure you would understand better, if you look at it more closely.

Igbo are too moral for politics.

This is y we get beaten even by our own people.

Peter Obi need to be studied by every Igbo man to understand wat it really means to be Machiavelli.

Ika Ikwere, Ekpeye and Co are running their mouth today becos of Biafra war, is there any such record prior to Biafra war?

nnamdijonathan:
don't mention Ika here again

We have to deal with u.

onuebonyi:
Everywhere you turn in PH you must see someone speaking Igbo. At times you will be looking for the so called Rivers people you won't see them. Igbos are everywhere in the city. I feel at home each time i am in the city.

Here is one of the numerous Genesis investments in PH

That city is full of armed robbers and cultist.

BankeSmalls:
Go and beat them na
Armchair General.

We have wat it takes to humble them, if we choose.

Person like me was groomed to deal with Afonja and Aboki.

Ikwere and Ika Igbos are crayfish case.