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Oh my God! my stomach is aching. Are these human being or something else.

Goshen360: Okay, lemme offend the religious minds and get out of this thread now.

Nice 1 jare, u always hit the nail in the head that's why i like u.

Goshen360: Do you know Abraham, the father of us who are of faith,

Yeap we do!

Goshen360: did some crazy stuffs (as sin) but God never called him a sinner but rather, he was called a friend of God?

He he! What about Aaron who worshiped Golden Calf and was reward with priesthood while his followers were slaughtered. Or David who skinned 200 men to get 1 wife, can u remember how God honored him.

Goshen360: Don't jump at me now, does that mean a Christian can do same crazy stuffs as Abraham?

Why not?

Goshen360: Certainly not! Oh, I love God.

Oh, kpele!

Goshen360: Okay, lemme offend the religious minds and get out of this thread now.

Nice 1 jare, u always hit the nail in the head that's why i like u.

Goshen360: Do you know Abraham, the father of us who are of faith,

Yeap we do!

Goshen360: did some crazy stuffs (as sin) but God never called him a sinner but rather, he was called a friend of God?

He he! What about Aaron who worshiped Golden Calf and was reward with priesthood while his followers were slaughtered. Or David who skinned 200 men to get 1 wife, can u remember how God honored him.

Goshen360: Don't jump at me now, does that mean a Christian can do same crazy stuffs as Abraham?

Why not?

Goshen360: Certainly not! Oh, I love God.

Oh, kpele!

GeneralShepherd: So it is the war mongering Quaran than is the immutable word of God ba? Religious delusion! Allah the name that has been used to wreck havoc on most modern civilisations.

Only cave men should worship Allah

Lol, Mr. General, u must be a Protestant o, bt i no be Catholic nw. i meant no harm, i just issued a warning so relax and continue the game.

GeneralShepherd: So it is the war mongering Quaran than is the immutable word of God ba? Religious delusion! Allah the name that has been used to wreck havoc on most modern civilisations.

but u're totally wrong here, irrespective of the definition of ur "wreck havoc" Quran will always be better than the Bible.

I know it will be difficult for u to accept bt it's the truth. it's one of the tactics of early church fathers (post-apostolic) to keep their preys, "Jesus have died for you, u don't need to keep the law" bt the apostles that kept the law and called people to observe it till their last days were fools or they don't like "Awoof". only for those pagans to come and be claiming Holy spirit which told them that "Law is abolished", "Jesus is God" and all those pagan believes. Can't u go and read the "Apostolic Creed" and compare it with that "Pagan Creed" u're holding.

Matthew 5:17-20. 17. Think not that i've come to destroy the Law, or the Prophet, i am not come to Destroy, but to Fulfil. 18. for verily i say unto you, till Heaven and Earth pass, one Jot or one Tittle shall in no wise pass from the Law till all be Fulfil. 19. Whosoever therefore shall break One of these least commandments and shall teach men so, he shall be called the Least in the kingdom of heaven, but Whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be call Great in the kingdom of heaven. 20. for i say to you that Unless your righteousness exceeds the righteousness of the scribes and pharisees, you will by no means Enter the kingdom of heaven.

Then who broke the Law? who would be called least in the Kingdom of Heaven? check ur bible very well, Jesus' Apostles observed the Law and Called people to worship in the Jewish Temple 3 time a day till their last days. Oh! how can u be following those that Jesus Cursed?

stan4b: All I know is,Jesus is a Son of God.

I want u guys to make a deduction for me pls.
The Children of God,are Gods.
Jesus Christ is a Son of God.

Then is Jesus a God or Not.

Thank u brother for stepping by, i really appreciate this. Even though, u did not bother urself to analyse those questions, u just jumped in to conclusion that "Jesus is Son" and because of that he is also "God" that's also nice. Now since Jesus is God through being a Son which make him "GOD THE SON". Pls how did Jesus become a "Son" to "God"?. this simple question will do for now. while we await the arrival of our giant pastors.

@ Op and all, lying in a place like this should be strictly prohibited. the doing of God is to punish the wrongdoers either directly by Himself or indirectly through His prophets of the times.

God has never been lenient towards wrongdoers nor cruel towards law abiding creations, however, there's always room for changes, and after several warnings the terror would be unleashed on the arrogant ones. God and His prophets were not demons as the Bible portrayed them, prophets were the most pious and God fearing among the people of their generations. they were not infallible though, because infallibility is exclusive to God, bt the infallible God said He was their Guardian. So if truely they were capable of those grave errors, what is the essence of the infallible Guardian?.

Quran speaks much about these prophets (as), and it neither conceal their mistakes nor exaggerate it, but they say it changed/copied the stories which is laughable anyway. It's a common sense, bring ur facts and i'll bring mine, then how come ur own is inconsistent and my own is flawless.

The truth is that many of those events in the Bible truely happened but what led to the incidents were lost, some people tried to harmonise the texts but they would never correct and that brings about "Redaction Errors" and what u would call "Copy & Paste Errors". While many others did not happen at all but found their ways into the bible texts as part of political polemic of the time to denigrate their opponents and relegate them to a lesser status. it's a pity that u guys won't question what is questionable, and just be buying lies at higher price. Of course, this's nt an assumption, i've my undisputable, sound facts in the Bible. bt i'm not here to derail the thread, on the Condition that u don't call God what He's nt.

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macof: Maybe wat confuse u is santeria and candomble who use saints to describe the Orisha

You should know that these religions were formed because of the threats they received during slavery. Many Yoruba kept honoring the Orisha, but had to fuse them up with catholism.

Many non-Yoruba Africans joined in
Thanks to Orunmila, so many are going back to the origin way.
If u want to know Yoruba spirituality, ask ur elders the village, or go to Ile-ife, or attend any Orisha festival

Olodumare will guide u to the guided path man.
But u know 1 thing? that Allah is a "moon god" is 100% lie which u can't provide -000.1 evidence to support, until u're able to say Olodumare is a "moon god".
Keep Enjoying Air, Water, Sun, Rain... of Allah which ur dumb gods can't provide for u, and be lying against him, to Him we shall all return.

Hey guys? u don't need to mind the topic, it's just to attract traffics u know nw. bt still it's the truth that tastes bitter at times, Jesus is a slave wey get "Pure package" not like u and i, no matter how we try, we can never reach his standard.

Thank you all for coming here. this's not a matter of argument bt explaination, u know Jesus is not here with us and there is a question we need to ask him. Personally, it baffles me when i see christians saying Jesus the God of this, Jesus the God of that and the bible confirmed it that there's only One God. U know if Jesus is here we would have just asked him that; O Jesus, who are you pls? and he would have told us who he is or who he was. but now where're helpless, and those that claimed to have seen him in their dreams would never remember to ask him this very important question which Holy spirit has not been able to answer. Because millions of christians are claiming Holy spirit which is the spirit of truth and yet they're far from. Millions of christians are saying He is the "SON" while another millions are saying He is "GOD", this clearly shows that millions are only claiming Holy spirit bt they've never perceived his odour. But before tendering my own evidences as another claimer of Holy spirit, yes! Holy spirit is with me as i'm writing this, i'll want us to be reasonable for a moment and ask ourselves that; Can God die?. then we should ask ourselves again that, What is the source of Air? and, What would happen if there's an Air Outage for an Hour?. These are personal questions pls, and the answers are not to be posted. Now my own evidences that i want us to look at together with ur own are: The Glorious Quran 4:172. The Messiah (Iesa [Jesus]) will never be proud to reject to be a slave to Allah, nor the angles who are near (to Allah). And whoever rejects His worship and is proud, then He will gather them all together unto Himself.

Naturally, this verse would sound some how to a christian who has never heard/read it before, but he/she suppose to pay more attention to Matthew 27:46 or Mark 15:34 which says, And at the ninth hour, Jesus shouted in a loud voice Elah, Elah, lama sabachthani? which is translated as, My God, My God, for what have you forsaken me?. Now the questions are, 1. Who is Elah that Jesus was calling as My God? 2. Can God have God? 3. Then how Many God do we have? 4. How does it sound that God was helpless and was Begging (who?) 5. Who is suppose to be the All-Mighty?. Since Jesus can't come down to tell us with his own mouth who he is, and people are dieing day by day without knowing the truth bt mere conjecture. by answering these five questions clearly, we have known him.

Click here and type God to see what Jesus (as) called His God. http://www.peshitta.org/lexicon/

PAGAN 9JA:
Allah has been corrupted by these muslims.

Allah Has never been at u guys side. U can imagine how ur helpless gods, goddess and there thousands devotees were defeated in less than a decade. that suppose to be a lesson to u.

PAGAN 9JA:
Allah never said all those things in the quran.

then what did He say? Oh! He said u guys should be killing ur Sons and burrying ur Daughters alive?

PAGAN 9JA:
The pre-islamic Allah was more like Olodumare.

What about pre-paganism Allah? u don't read history.

PAGAN 9JA:
1) They are SPiritual Forces. We humans gave them names / they were revealed to us according to our languages. or they were given names depending on the characters of some bygone ancestors.

The Force has always existed. It is just the name.

there is always the force and the force have names. those people sought the "Evil Power" to influence the force and claimed the name as their title. there is force before them but not yet personified until they have power to influence it.

2) It depends on the type of force. Take for example , in English, we say if we see a ship "We watched her sail away".
We use feminine to describe the ship. Does that mean that the ship is female NO![/quote]Exactly, the name is a mere title.

PAGAN 9JA:
Therefore you usually find the God of Destructive Forces (War, etc) as a God (male) , where the Gods of Fertility, Pro-creation, childbirth, etc., are usually Goddesses (female).

Because war and destruction is more of a male thing, while fertility , childbirth, etc., is more of a female issue.

Do you undertand?

Yeap! u personified the forces.

PAGAN 9JA:
3) We moulded their scupture according to our imagination and our culture, so that it relates to us. Our ancestors did this work for us.
Therefore Chinese version of Gods look more like Chinese, while Yoruba Gods look Yoruba with yoruba tribal marks and Hindu Gods look like the Aryan peoples, etc.

No! ur ancestors knew those people that possessed the power to influence the force. and that is where the sculpture is gotten from.[/quote]4) They were not human beings. There is no proof.[/quote]they were human beings with ability to influence these forces. there is always proof, maybe we should look at one together.

PAGAN 9JA:
We do not worship men like christians

they will tell u who they worship.

PAGAN 9JA:
and the rest of you guyz, with your "prophets".

lol! u want to justify ur pagan belief. I'm pleased with Allah as my Lord, Islam as my religion and Muhammed (saw) as my prophet. Prophet Muhammed (saw) taught me how to worship Allah in an acceptable way, the same way He and every other prophets worshiped Him. This is my only source of "Happiness".

PAGAN 9JA:
When we worship Shango, we do not worship the King. We worship the God Shango. The Kings name is just applied to this "FORCE/GOD", because his attributes were more oriented towards this particular Force.

Yeah! that's the main koko here, before Shango as a person there is this force, and people don't worship it, but when shango comes, people started worshiping shango and that is wrong. u can't say u don't worship shango because u don't worship this force before sango come.

PAGAN 9JA:
After all a name has to come from somewhere. It wont drop from the Sky. The Gods are Spiritual Forces and dont speak human languages (except through us).

Bros? we all met the names here on earth. Onje, Ewe, Ile, Ara (thunder)... can only be traced back to the first generation but with different names. "god of thunder" is a false claim because thunder sounds before him, only All-Mighty God is the God of thunder because nothing predates him. And only him deserves to be worship in a direct and acceptable way, not true anybody, can't worship God through an "Angel", "Prophet" or "Person".

macof: All you muslims saying Jesus was a messenger of Allah is a big lie or big error by Mohammed.

U're beginning to show ur true color.

macof: Israel doesn't serve Allah(moon god of arabia) they serve Yahweh(mountain god of canaanland).

Mr macof? i swear nothing do u, u're only suffering from "Tribalism syndrome". my Olodumare is this while their God is that, now i know.

macof: Jesus knows no Allah

but he knew this; pls click and type God. http://www.peshitta.org/lexicon/ - i know u'll agree with me that "Der tee" in german is the same as "The Tea" in English. And "Der Gott" is the same as "The God", but u'll never agree with me that "Allah" is the same as "Aalah" because of ur mindset. whatever, the truth is obvious and only it seeker would be satisfied

khattab02: Op, your post didn't match your topic.

Don't mind him, he is deluded. he changed the topic.

khattab02: jazakallahu khairan! Harbiola1.

Amin! thank you brother. Happy Jum'ah.

Divepen: Eeeeeeeeeeehhhhhheeeeh my God is d God of valley and mountain

Will u shut up? u this advanced pagan. u're a shame to Jesus (as).

macof: Allah has also been personified,all gods/nature forces have been personified to boost understanding, however where there's understanding for many, people like u get confusion.

Ok! we would see how Allah was personified.

macof: Esu would release u from confusion soon, just open up to him.

Audhubillahi mina shaytani rojim. excuse me pls! never say such a thing to me again.

macof: History of Olodumare is beyond any man or Orisha.

U're talking about God here. u know if u go to English speaking country u'll call him "God" and German "Gott", Assyriac "Alaha", Aramair "Elaha" and Arabic "Allah". that is it! thank God u're not an atheist

macof: Olodumare is the ultimate force of all energy. He is the source of energy, he is pure energy.

u're saying rubbish, Olodumare is not an energy. u guys can wake up tomorrow and say you want to personify energy. Olodumare is the creator of energy and asigned a role for him just like knowledge and wisdom.

macof: If u know science, energy can neither be created nor destroyed, it can only change from one form to another. His conscious change in form birthed Awon Orisa

Lightning and thunder is caused by the conscious movements of Sango

tornado and storms are caused by the conscious movements of Oya

Flooding are done by the conscious movements of Olokun or Yemoja

Fire outbreak is Sango

Anything iron is Ogun

All these are elements of nature and aspects of universal living which Olodumare has created the Orisha to control.

Olodumare is the essence of the existence of anything and everything, he owns all Ase(energy), and he uses this Ase to form things.

When Obatala was about to create dry land, he took permission from Olodumare because no change can be done to the universe without his authority(Also Ase)

When Esu tempts, he takes permission from Olodumare to punish or bless depending on the result of the tempting.
Olodumare is not a chief of the gods, Obatala is. Olodumare is only their father.

That is why only him deserves to be worshiped.

macof: Lies in this thread.

Where is lie? i'm very sure u can't find one in my posts.

macof: Orunmila is not a prophet.

Ok! but did i say he is a prophet? i said, some people said, he is a prophet. read my post again and quote me, i don't say what i don't know.

macof: He is a god, Orisha fun Ogbon, Imo ati Oye, ikeji Olorun, eleri-ipin, amo awo aye.

there was knowledge and wisdom before he came and after he's gone, there is nothing like ikeji Olorun. God is "Sole", with no partner, adviser...

macof: He knows all, he is the second after Olorun.

No! u're wrong, he did not know all, he knew what God revealled to him. that was why he would praise and beg Olodumare before consulting Ifa. and u're wrong again nothing like second after God, if there is, other god worshippers said their god and goddess are second, daughter, son... now how do convince us that your's is truly the second. God is "Sole".

macof: Orunmila is not restricted to Yoruba, but the whole universe.

i've great mission for the whole universe, not Yoruba alone.

macof: He is the personification of knowledge and wisdom.

look at u, knowledge and wisdom is one yet other pagans have personification for it.

macof: He was there at the beginning,

who was he? Malaika (Angel)?

macof: and knows all to infinity.

u're getting confused, that's Olodumare u're talking about.

macof: He is Olodumare's favorite child,

and where is Olodumare's favorite wife? my christian friend said i should help him ask u who is Jesus? altogether God have how many sons.

macof: and through him All pagans(not only Yoruba) have known spirituality.

macof:
and through him Yoruba pagan's were deluded. u must be kidding here, u mean Meccan, Roman, Syrian pagans know Orunmila or Ifa.
[quote author=macof]The name Orunmila is only given to the conscious force of intelligence,

and before him what is the conscious force for intelligence called?

macof: that doesn't mean he is a dead man that is worshipped.

but why would u worship the second (Orunmila) and abandon the first (God)?

macof: Other traditions have a different name for him, also have a different personification for him.

there is nothing wrong with that. bt venerating them above God is absurd.

macof: Abiola(not Harbiola) you are muslim not pagan, and u do not understand paganism, if u do u cannot remain a muslim.

u sound like holy mallam the comedian here.

macof: Ur Allah is also not wat it seems. He was once a pagan god. And if u read about the pre-Islam Arabic spirituality you would know this.

are u a learner? Ibrahim, Ismail and Ajara (pbuta) were the first person on the soil of Arabia and their story is on wikipedia. u know that if u don't post the history of Allah then u are a LIAR.

www.nairaland.com/1483214/should-read-religions

Let's discuss here ^^^

i'm somewhat busy nw I'll see u later.

Ukuts gp: Some People claim to see vision of heaven and hell in which they see some pastors who had dead in hell. The shocking thing is that they dnt often see pastors in heaven but only in hell. This prompted me to ask the question that if those who are dead have been taken to heaven or hell what is the purpose of the ressurection? Ur comment pls.

Don't u have pastor?

macof: Mr abiola, Orunmila is ur friend and he is ready to release u from this ur state of limited knowledge.

Ogun was a Great blacksmith and hunter who lived in Idanre, he loved wearing palm skirts and always walked with his cutlass.
This man showed Great example for the force of Metal, War and brute strength. His name began to be used as the name for this conscious force of Iron, war, justice and brute strength

Alaafin Oba Sango Olukoso, was the 3rd king of Oyo, he showed unmatched intelligence and strength that brought fear into all around him. When he died his name began to be honored as the name for the conscious force of lightening, thunder and fire.

Orunmila was a wise man who lived in Ife thousands of years ago, he had 16sons and was the first man to figure out the secrets of Ifa. He is regarded as the first Ifa priest. When he died in Modern Ekiti lands, His name began to be honored as the name for the conscious force intelligence, wisdom, understanding and also of Ifa. His name is interchangeable between Ifa and Orunmila.

Clap for urself! and what lessons am i suppose to learn from this? I'll only appreciate ur effort if u can post the history of Olodumare. those dudes were human beings like myself only with different generation.

PAGAN 9JA:
WHAT EVIDENCE YOU LIAR!

SHOW ME PROOF THAT THESE 3 GODDESSES WERE HUMANS!

Then who were they? who were Ogun, Sango, Orunmila...? how did u know their sex? how did u mould their sculpture? there is nothing like god or goddess, they were human beings u guys only turned them to something else.

FOLYKAZE: Christianity is a reformed politized paganism. And Yahweh is the Idol of the Hills. Evidence here https://www.nairaland.com/1508769/christians-god-idol-hills

Honestly you don't need to go against christians because they are not worshiping Yahwe (God) bt god. Now do you celebrate this; Springs is in the air, flowers and bunnies decorate the home. father helps children paint beautiful designs on eggs, dyed in various colors, these eggs which will later be hidden and searched for are placed into lovely seasonal basket. forty days of abstaining from special foods will finally end the next day. the whole family pick out their sunday's best wear to the next morning sunrise worship to celebrate the saviour's resurrection and the renewal of life. it will be a thrilling day afterall, it's one of the most important religious holiday of the year. Easter, right? NO! I've just described an ancient Babylonian ceremony years before christ- honoring the resurrection of their god Tammuz, who was brought back from the under world by his wife, Ishtar (after whom the festival Astarte was named) which christians are celebrating as "Eastre" PAGAN Ceremony. http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ostara - http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Easter_Bunny - http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Easter_egg_hunt - http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Easter_egg - http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egg_tapping - that is the description of ur Ancestors ceremony which u've neglected only for christians to resuscitate. U & Pagan 9ja can join them for the next "Eoster" ceremony, u guys are all the same

FOLYKAZE: Christianity is a reformed politized paganism. And Yahweh is the Idol of the Hills. Evidence here https://www.nairaland.com/1508769/christians-god-idol-hills

Honestly you don't need to go against christians because they are not worshiping Yahwe (God) bt god. Now do you celebrate this; Springs is in the air, flowers and bunnies decorate the home. father helps children paint beautiful designs on eggs, dyed in various colors, these eggs which will later be hidden and searched for are placed into lovely seasonal basket. forty days of abstaining from special foods will finally end the next day. the whole family pick out their sunday's best wear to the next morning sunrise worship to celebrate the saviour's resurrection and the renewal of life. it will be a thrilling day afterall, it's one of the most important religious holiday of the year. Easter, right? NO! I've just described an ancient Babylonian ceremony years before christ- honoring the resurrection of their god Tammuz, who was brought back from the under world by his wife, Ishtar (after whom the festival Astarte was named) which christians are celebrating as "Eastre" PAGAN Ceremony. http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ostara - http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Easter_Bunny - http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Easter_egg_hunt - http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Easter_egg - http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egg_tapping - that is the description of ur Ancestors ceremony which u've neglected only for christians to resuscitate. U & Pagan 9ja can join them for the next "Eoster" ceremony, u guys are all the same

PAGAN 9JA:
you are a liar harbiola.

Godess Al-lat, AL-Uzza and Al-Manah were not human beings. They are Gods.

stop lying to spread your diabolical faith.

The Gods are watching.

Me lying ke! with all those evidences up there. watching you? stop being a fool man, they ve died since.

@ divepen. lies lies lies, give me an examples of those pagan stuffs that is still going on now and i will explain everything to u. Islam is divine, muslims have nothing to hide, unlike christianity, i need nt to describe ur ways for u.

Divepen: I wonder why Idol worshippers like Mohammed grandFather could give their sons name that has Allah in it...does that not proof that Allah is a god...
In Nigeria we have Ifagbemi, .and so on...whhich typifies the god they serve...
It was at this time that mohammed saw that the greatest of all the god they serve in their land is allah and so the worship continued

U've tried atleast u gave an example of what u're talking about. I don't know may be u're a yoruba, bt i will try to let u understand. Like i said above, Olodumare is a creator (God), Oluwa-oludumare goes together. We yoruba believe that Olodumare is a "Sole God" who created Orunmila, and Orunmila in introduced Ifa. We have many beautiful names that associate with God's name like Oluwafunke, Oluwaseyi, Oluwaferanmi... the father of "Jesuseun" did the same mistake that the father of "Ifagbemi" because they both idolized a human being like you and i. Orunmila once lived on earth, some said he was a prophet, bt the bottom line is that he was a man who God blessed and honored like Jesus christ and other prophets, and they were not to be worshiped. In mecca, Al-Lat, Al-uzza, Al-manat were all prominent human beings in mecca. people started idolizing them after their demise. Allah never lived among people as a human being, and it will never happen. "Deus" in Latin is a cognate to "Dious" in Spanish and "Dio" in Italian, all is the name of God in different language like "Gott" in German and "God" in English. another example is Greek word "Eostre" and "Ostara" in German and "Eastre" in English. El/Elohim forms "Elah" in Aramaic, "Alaha" in Assyriac and "Allah" in Arabic. muslim didn't write this, it's a linguistic matter http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elohim - Now, Christians believe since Abdullah is the father of Prophet Muhammed, and before Islam Meccans were pagan so prophet Muhammed was upholding His father's God which is Idol, a very baseless assumption. Anywhere you see "God" in your english bible it is "Allah" in Arabic even before christianity. Abdullah (Servant of Allah) is a name of a great prophet in Torah found in 1 chronicles 5:15 Abdiel (Servant of God). U know the name of Prophet Muhammed's father because of Islam, who knows Barrack Obama before he became American president? and does that mean no one else bears the name in his country? someboby else must be bearing the name, but we don't know him because he is not popular. so of course, many people from different background must be bearing Abdullah which we don't know because he is not popular. But still, we can see two Rabbis that borne the the Abdullah. Abdullah ibn Salam and Abdulla ibn Shuria http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abdullah_ibn_Salam

Without further explaination, common sense should convince us that Allah is the sole God in arabic. 1 God, many names because we speak different language. God always send His messengers with their local language, He sent Jesus (as) with Aramaic and called His God "Elah" or "Elaha". actually Jesus never used Eloi or Eli. Jesus was an Aramaic speaker, Eloi and Eli in Matthew 27:46 and Mark 15:34 respectively was a deliberate deception from Bible authors. http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Language_of_Jesus - lets ask what we don't know so that we don't make terrible mistake and ignorantly insult the creator. Had Jesus (as) came among Yorubas, He would have called His God Olorun, Olodumare et.c. I guess the "Op" meant to say "Orunmila" because some people have over venerated him and call him god. Orunmila was created by Oludumare (creator) and once lived on earth, Olodumare will never come down to earth. Thousands of christians are singing, praying and dancing yahooze in the church for Olodumare, Who are they worshipping? And at times they dance, sing and end their prayer with "Jesu Christi Oluwa wa, Amen!". that is the confusion in the christian world including Arab Christian, they use Allah for Jesus and use Jesus for Allah. why this? because they don't understand the prophecy of John 16:7-14, and they thought the prophecy was fulfiled in john 20:22, a deadly misunderstanding. Kudos to bible authors any way, They're Bad Programmers!

[/Quote author=Divepen]I perceive that ye are very religious.
I found also an altar with this inscription: 'TO AN UNKNOWN GOD,God of all-Eledumare;Allah' What therefore you worship in ignorance, this I announce to you.
GOD who made the universe and everything in it--He, being Lord of Heaven and earth, does not dwell in sanctuaries built by men.
Nor is He ministered to by human hands, as though He needed anything--but He Himself gives to all men life and breath and all things.
He caused to spring from one forefather people of every race, for them to live on the whole surface of the earth, and marked out for them an appointed span of life and the boundaries of their homes;

that they may seek God; if indeed they might feel after him and find him, although he is not far from each one of us:for in him we live and move and exist; as also some of the poets amongst you have said, For we are also his offspring.
Being therefore [the] offspring of God, we ought not to think that which is divine to be like gold or silver or stone, [the] graven form of man's art and imagination.
YThose times when men had no knowledge were overlooked by God; but now he gives orders to all men in every place to undergo a change of heart:
because He has fixed a day in which He will judge the world in righteousness through a Man whom He has appointed, having furnished proof to all men by raising Him from the dead."

Adapted from Act 17:22-31
We are therefore calling to accept Jesus today[/quote]@ Op, neither Olodumare nor Allah is unknown God, the two name is a "Sole God" in different language. Dio, Dios, Deus, Gott, Elah, Alaha, Allah, Olodumare, Oluwa, Tian zhu, Shen chi... One God many Names of God http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Names_of_God - Who is Olodumare? http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_names_associated_with_Olódùmarè - Who is Allah? http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allah - From ur christian brothers. http://www.orthodoxchristianity.net/forum/index.php?topic=13547.0 - http://www.equip.org/articles/allah-does-not-belong-to-islam/ - Common phrase among Arab christians even before Islam are; Allah Al-ab (God the Father) Allah Al-ibn (God the Son) Allah Al-ruh al-quds (God the Holy Spirit) Ibn Allah (Son of God [Jesus]) Mariam Ihm Allah (Mother of God[ Mary]). The Glorious quran acknowledges this, and warn the disbelievers.

Al-quran 5:72, Surely, they have disbelieved who say "Allah is the Messiah (Iesa [Jesus]) son of Mariam [mary]. "But the Messiah (Iesa) said: "O children of Isreal! worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord". verily, whosoever set up partners in worship with Allah, then Allah has forbidden paradise for him, and the fire will be his abode and for the Zalimon (polytheists and wrongdoers) there are no helpers. 73. Surely, disbeliever are those who said "Allah is the third of the three (In trinity), but there is no god (none who has the right to be worshiped) but one God (Allah). And if they cease not from what they say, verily, a painful torment will befall the disbelievers among them. 74. Will they not repent to Allah and ask His forgiveness? for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful. 75. The Messiah (Iesa [Jesus]), son of Maryam was no more than a messenger; many were the messengers that passed away before him, His mother (mary) was a Siddiqah (believer). They both used to eat food (as any other human being, while Allah does not eat). Look how we make the Ayat (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs...) clear to them, yet look how they are deluded away (from the truth).


Quran 4:171. O people of the scripture (Jews and Christians), do not exceed the limits in your religion, nor say of Allah aught but the truth, The Messiah (Iesa [Jesus]), son of maryam was (no more than) a messenger of Allah and his word, (Be! and he was) which he bestowed on maryam and a spirit (Rooh) create by him; so believe in Allah and His messengers. say not Three (Trinity) to him (far Exalted is He) above having a son, To him belongs all that is in the heavens and the earth, and Allah is All-sufficient as a disposer of affairs. 172. The Messiah will never be proud to reject to be a slave to Allah, nor the angles who are near (to Allah). And whoever rejects His worship and is proud, then He will gather them all together unto Himself.
Quran 3:59. Verily, the likeness of Iesa (Jesus) before Allah is the likeness of Adam. He created him from dust then (He) said to him "Be! and he was. 60. This is the truth from your Lord, so be not of those who doubt. 61. Then whoever disputes with you concerning him (Jesus) after (all this) knowledge that has come to you, (i.e Iesa being a slave of Allah, and having no share in divinity). Say: O Muhammed (saw) "Come, let us call our Sons and your sons, our women and your women, ourselves and yourselves, then we pray and invoke (sincerely) the curse of Allah upon those who lie.

Eben 2: Now, another question is: God our Holy God allow a criminal to be his prophet? The answer is an emphatic NO! The crime of Mohammed surpassed that of Hitler! His activities includes: murder in in the most cruel way, adultery, loot, pedeophilia, torture, permission for his men to rape women, slavery, incest, prostitution (permission to pay for sex - muttah), encourage wife-beating and punishing of one's wife by not having sex with them (since they have others they can go to Quran 4:3).

He was a sex-starved sick man (no wonder he promised his soldiers seventy virgins) who married his daughter-in-law (Zainab), married a toddler - Ayesha and had sex with her by putting his manhood between her thighs. His fate would have been was than that of Zadam if people were enlightened in his days. God could not have use someone like that.

Do you want me to talk about the idols worshiping of Mohammed and Islam? The rituals and pagan rites that filled Islam mode of worship?

Now know this that God is Spirit and they that worship Him must worship Him in Truth and in Spirit. The Truth of God is Jesus - God made man! He is the one that has life that bring light to all who come to Him. Leave the carnality of religion and embrace the salvation of God. Come out of darkness into the marvelous light of God. Jesus saves and His blood still watch away sins, you will not know it except you experience it. I am a living witness!

Did u know much about this trash u posted? if i creat a thread for u and i would u come?

Eben 2: Now, another question is: God our Holy God allow a criminal to be his prophet? The answer is an emphatic NO! The crime of Mohammed surpassed that of Hitler! His activities includes: murder in in the most cruel way, adultery, loot, pedeophilia, torture, permission for his men to rape women, slavery, incest, prostitution (permission to pay for sex - muttah), encourage wife-beating and punishing of one's wife by not having sex with them (since they have others they can go to Quran 4:3).

He was a sex-starved sick man (no wonder he promised his soldiers seventy virgins) who married his daughter-in-law (Zainab), married a toddler - Ayesha and had sex with her by putting his manhood between her thighs. His fate would have been was than that of Zadam if people were enlightened in his days. God could not have use someone like that.

Do you want me to talk about the idols worshiping of Mohammed and Islam? The rituals and pagan rites that filled Islam mode of worship?

Now know this that God is Spirit and they that worship Him must worship Him in Truth and in Spirit. The Truth of God is Jesus - God made man! He is the one that has life that bring light to all who come to Him. Leave the carnality of religion and embrace the salvation of God. Come out of darkness into the marvelous light of God. Jesus saves and His blood still watch away sins, you will not know it except you experience it. I am a living witness!

Did u know much about this trash u posted? if i creat a thread for u and i would u come?

Eben 2: Now, another question is: God our Holy God allow a criminal to be his prophet? The answer is an emphatic NO! The crime of Mohammed surpassed that of Hitler! His activities includes: murder in in the most cruel way, adultery, loot, pedeophilia, torture, permission for his men to rape women, slavery, incest, prostitution (permission to pay for sex - muttah), encourage wife-beating and punishing of one's wife by not having sex with them (since they have others they can go to Quran 4:3).

He was a sex-starved sick man (no wonder he promised his soldiers seventy virgins) who married his daughter-in-law (Zainab), married a toddler - Ayesha and had sex with her by putting his manhood between her thighs. His fate would have been was than that of Zadam if people were enlightened in his days. God could not have use someone like that.

Do you want me to talk about the idols worshiping of Mohammed and Islam? The rituals and pagan rites that filled Islam mode of worship?

Now know this that God is Spirit and they that worship Him must worship Him in Truth and in Spirit. The Truth of God is Jesus - God made man! He is the one that has life that bring light to all who come to Him. Leave the carnality of religion and embrace the salvation of God. Come out of darkness into the marvelous light of God. Jesus saves and His blood still watch away sins, you will not know it except you experience it. I am a living witness!

I swear by the one true God that i worship, if u die like this, Jesus would be helpless to save you. How dear u say such a thing to Prophet Muhammed ( saw)? now if i open a thread to defend ur bible would u come? despite those erroneous and filthy stories in ur bible, u still have gut to venerate it. U believe that God's prophets could do those demonic things attributed to them in the bible, yet u're critising the Noblest Prophet (saw) even when he has nothing to do with those dirty stories attributed to him by your so called missionaries. do u know how hard atheists are working to make sure that bible is totally removed from public places in America, Canada... because of its barbarity? should i post some of their comments or their website links. Yet, u guys want Saudi Arabia's childrens to have access to bible in order to turn the place to another realm of atheists, indecency... so that u will have another way of attacking Islam through them. If many of these guys could see the true nature of Islam they would never reject it, bt devil is championing the trend of Islamophobia. ur missionaries are operating many websites in the name of Islam, why would a christian missionary open a website with wikiislam in other to mislead people. May be u don't know that christians fought the bloodiest, brutiest, longest and most devastating war in history, killing one another for good thirty years, christian world is celebrating those poeple now, and u'll come here to spread hoax about Prophet Muhammed and Muslims. The evil West and America are behind the unrest in Middle east. Honestly, i don't know what is so peaceful about christianity, lets go down the memory lane, Islam is peaceful down christianity. mtcheeew!

Eben 2: First, is Mohammed a prophet of God or a possessed man? To answer this question, we need to know who a prophet is. A prophet is someone who receive instructions from GOD directly on behave of God's people. Prophets like Noah, Abraham, Moses, Joshua, Deborah, Samuel, Elijah, Isaiah, Jeremiah, just to mention but few. Mohammed never for once heard from God. God never spoke to him not even once. So, how could he claim to be God's prophet and not hear from God?
Was Mohammed a possessed man? Be the judge of that! The story of Mohammed first encounter with his spirit is an interesting one. It happened first in the cave of Nira, outside of Mecca. There a spirit (later claimed to be angel Gabriel) appeared to him and squeezed him very tightly that he taught he was going to die and the spirit said to Mohammed "read in the name of Allah!" And he said "I cannot read" the spirit squeezed him more tightly almost killing him and repeated the same words. The spirit did this three times before letting him go. He more or less crawled home to his wife - Khadijah. The wife ran to him and asked him what happened and he responded that he feared he had been possessed that he heard voices telling him to read. The wife who happened to be a devoted catholic (purposely planted to marry Mohammed so she could influence him) took him to a bishop in Mecca by the name Waraqua Bin Nawfal who happened to be Khadijah's cousin. When he was told what happened he replied: "o be quiet, be quiet, Mohammed will be the prophet of Arabs". And he told them that Mohammed was not possessed and that the spirit that appeared to him was angel Gabriel. Waraqua therefore became the interpreter of Mohammed's dreams for many years.

From the above what Mohammed experienced was possession by an evil spirit (that was why he could destroy lives as much as he did) but was convinced otherwise by those that were planted to do so by Roman Catholic so they could use him to destroy the Jews and Christians.

Wow! a perfect historian, in the 6th century, Roman catholic were nt christian. bt then what are they? Pagan i presumed? and they were the one that established today's christianity. and they've fed u guys with their pagan philosophy more than u can vomit, bt to continue nurturing it with one ridiculous faith. let me tell u some things about christian and christianity, christians were those that worshiped one true God of Jesus christ (Elah). they did everything the way Jesus did it, from law to ceremony, dressing to worship, they prayed the way Jesus prayed (nothing like sunday service bt sabbath service)... and that was why the were called christians in antioch. but unfortunately, by 2nd to the 3rd century, church fathers started idolizing Jesus which never happened during apostolic era. gradually, the christian doctrine began to diverge from Judaism [the faith of Jesus and the his apostles, that is why u will always see it in the bible that people convert to Judaism through the apostle] through the teachings of the church fathers in the second century, through persecution of monotheists and bible forgeries, by the fourth century belief in 3 gods was formalized in Niceae and spread all over the world. The like of St Polycarp and Arius would ve stop this pagan bt they too weak for them, and thus they were executed. Let me tell u the meaning of Christianity that u guys were always proud of because of ur ignorance. Christianity was many pagan believes and ceremonies that were christianized in the "Ecumenical councils" propably 6 or 7 of such councils, council of Nicaea 325 being the first of it. Then their focus was to completely mislead people into paganism. 1. They said God is not One but three, Jesus being one of the Three and they tagged it "Niceae Creed". and they distroyed the existing "Apostolic Creed" which bears that God is One. Who worships many gods? PAGAN!
2. They formalized the celebration of "Eostre" ( Pagan Anglo-Saxon goddess in whose honor feasts were held every year) to replace feast of "Passover" ordained and observed by Jesus himself and the apostles. Who celebrates pagan ceremonies with its flavors (i.e Eoster bunny, egg hunt...)? Pagan!
3. The abolished early Canon law of Moses, Jesus and his desciples and replaced it with there Pagan laws (e.g U must believe in 3 gods, divinity is not exclusive to God, u can worship an idol [statue]...)
"In addition, if any writting composed by Arius should be found, it should be handed over to the flames. so that not only will the wickedness of his teaching be obliterated, but nothing will be left even to remind any one of him. And i hereby make a public order that if someone should be discovered to have hidden a writing composed by Arius, and not to have immediately brought it forward and destroyed it by fire, his penalty shall be DEATH as soon as he is discovered in this offense, he shall be submitted for capital punishment" Edict by Emperor Constantine. wikipedia.com/Arius

holypower: Someone has entered...so its not you and I again......

If you don't believe you will understand latter but it will be too late....

I won't debate with you as allah gave a command ''argue to the best''

At the end the owner of the world will come and take HIS world and preserve the good in HIS kingdom but unbelievers will HE condemn forever ''for nothing unclean shall enter into the Kingdom of GOD''

:DNice 1

Ajibam: the one that created you and cares for your soul

Are u talking about the same God that died for forty hours?

Ajibam: the one that created you and cares for your soul

Are u talking about the same God that died for forty hours?

Ajibam: the one that created you and cares for your soul

That died!

1. The God of Abraham, Issac and Jacob. The God of the Jews. Yes even Jesus is Jewish, born of a Jewish mother.
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2. God loves you more than anything. That is why he came to earth in human form (Jesus Christ) to die for us.

1. Ur bible confirms that there is only 1 God. the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob was called El or YAHWE both meaning the thing. and this one God is the God of Jews and Mary was the mother of Yahwe (God) through incarnation of Jesus Christ (God).

2. God loves you more than anything. That is why he came to earth in human form (Jesus Christ) to die for us. Which God are u talking about?