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BegAt40:
martinez39s, hardmirror and other atheists should come and see why hell fire must be taken serious.

why are you thinking. You need more alchohol

helinues:
Probably you missed the political will.

the two of you are right. It is good to see you being unbiased these days.

Rosement:
I pray to God and He answers, that alone is an evidence to me that He exist. What other evidence am I looking for?

ok.

GraphicsMaster1:
Thats where our chain of creation stop.

We acknowledge that there is a single being who created all things. Then we just stop there because we can't think of anything higher than 'God'

Think of it, if God actually has a creator then he wouldn't be 'God' anymore

..

Afterwards we live our daily lives communicating with that God we know and recognize.

ok. It is you belief not an empirical proof. Enjoy your God.

Homeboiy:
No bro

It’s happening now as I’m typing

She’s a student of Uniben

this is serious o. Hope you cannot be implicated

GraphicsMaster1:
Let's go back. If you see a phone. Will you say it just existed on its own.
Or will you agree that someone made it?

Do you know anything that just willed itself to existence?

@bolded I don't intend to lie. I'm just showing you why I'm a theist

ok thanks for coming clean and being honest.

How do I know a phone does not just exist? Because humans make phones, we see them making the phones, we see them announcing their plans for new phones they want to release, we can observe them making the phones.

But how do we know god created all the animals and plants we see?

If humans make phones and the human who made the phone must be created, who created the creator of the humans?

GraphicsMaster1:
He speaks in a subtly in our hearts for those who cares to listen.

He spoke in the past through prophets.
And now He gave us His Son, His Word and His Spirit.

yes he speaks in our hearts, that is how we have thousands of religions because they all claim god spoke to them or would you say Zeus's did not speak to those that worshipped him, would you say sango, ifa, obatala does not speak to those that worship them? So can you tell me the name of this your own god

GraphicsMaster1:
okay, you say human create phones. Since it cannot just exist.

Then who creates the mountains and world you live in?
Who creates man?

no no no. I did not say humans created phones since it cannot exist. You are the one saying that. Else show me where I said that.

I said we know humans create phones because we can see them making the phones. We know from experience and observation that phones are made by humans.

Dont twist my words please to sooth your lies. There is a big difference.

Have you seen god creating humans for you to know that god makes humans?

GraphicsMaster1:
God revealed himself man. Others gods exists to confuse people more.

which god is this and when did he reveal himself?

GraphicsMaster1:
True, even if you show them the most convincing evidence. They will tell you that it doesn't still mean that God exists

problem is you have no evidence so far. Just present your evidence even if we dont accept it. Play your part, give use the evidence and I hope you know evidence is not belief, it is irrefutable, proofable, observable, testable

GraphicsMaster1:
Even your phone can't just appear and dissappear

because phones are made by humans. We can see it. Have you seen a god create humans or have you seen a video of god creating any plant or animal? How do you then know god created life? Go on you tube, you will see humans making phones, there is proof for that

GraphicsMaster1:
If you can believe there's a painter from seeing the painted work. Why can't you see that they is a creator from seeing his creations?

because we have from experience known paintings are done by human. So when you see a painting you quickly relate it to the paintings you have seen before made by humans. But we have not seen god create animals before. So why should I conclude that animals I see are created by god? Which god, what god how when? Have you seen a god create humans before?

khiaa:
I know that "I Am" is Yah but I don't believe Yeshua is YAH.

yah yah Bello

1Sharon:
God is life that supposedly came on its own

oh o but they dont think the universe could have started from a singularity? The expansion of the universe is proof the universe started from a single point

Dtruthspeaker:
There is no which god, ONLY GOD!

If there was another, we would know exactly as tenants shall always know when there are 2 or more Landlords.

But in this case, we indisputably have ONLY ONE LANDLORD!

which god are we talking about?

twosquare:
What's disgusting there? We all came from one tree. Who do you want them to marry? Aliens?

Khiaa, you're my sister. Either you like it or not. We're all related if our genealogy is traced.

Not marrying your brother or sister came during the days of Moshe (Moses), when the law was given in Leviticus 18:9. Before that, it wasn't so. It is written therein: The unclothedness of thy sister, the daughter of thy father, or daughter of thy mother, whether she be born at home, or born abroad, even their unclothedness thou shalt not uncover (sex).

So, if I decided to marry you, I'm technically marrying a relation in a way. But the Lord gave that commandment because I suspect the bloodline of man is getting weak. It can't sustain or endure certain things again. That's why genetic anomaly may happen if some decided to go that way. There is a season for everything.

But then, it was nothing to marry one's sister. It is now that it's called incest—not because we've grown wiser or become civilised, but because we've grown weaker. Romans 5:6

The era of Adams ended with the flood...reproduced later at the last time.

wonderful. So where did all the races and sub races come from. In Asia alone you can pin point more than 10 genetically unique people. The chinese are divergent from the vietnamese, the Indians, the polynesians, see the Australian aborigines, the caucasians, negros, even negros are different from each other, the pygmies of Congo, the american Indians etc.

budaatum:
Just to add to why you shouldn't believe, both of Jesus chronologies in the Bible are made up and wrong.

of course I know, but we still have to follow it to get the time of the flood.

A001:
You know very little about the book of history you're talking about. Until you read it, I don't take your review seriously.

As regards starting a religion, that's for those looking for things to worship or a cult to join. I'm an agnostic, don't belong to any religion or a cult, and have no intention to join either.

If I need a religion, then I'd have reverted to my former religion (that's the reasonable thing to do).

You're merely commenting ignorantly about something you know very little or nothing about.

I agree, I am not an Otem expert like you. But i read enough just good fiction no need dedicating time to it as if it is factual

A001:
Your comments show you don't have the book and haven't read it.

No reasonable person reviews a book they've not read.

I read enough. You dont expect me to know he was just making it up and stitching stuff together

khiaa:
Being rude to those who don't share your same opinions or theories is a sign of immaturity.

ok ma. I am immature I accept. Good bye

dazzlingd:
So every flood recorded by any civilisation automatically translates to Noah's flood?

And was china wiped out during the flood?

Perhaps the flood that happend in my village 20 years ago was the Noah's flood

Please I'm not understanding you oo.

seems he is ignorant of the flood story in the bible. He does not know the story claims that every living thing was wiped off from the earth humans and animals, ALL. There was no hiding place as even Mount Everest was covered by the water no single place to hide

A001:
Lols. I'm widely read and know there are various conlangs.

But before I can say those things I posted about Otem's book, it took a lot of research and critical thinking for a couple of years about the book, which I read in 2018.

so otem has solved the issue of the origin of life right?

A001:
I agree with you, 100%. Only a mad genius can write such a book on his own. But I honestly, feel it's too much for a human to do because of the depth.

geniuses come in all shapes. This is how people start cults and religions because they are able to woe their audience at the end it is just works of their genius minds not facts

Steep:
How would carbon-14 dating be affected by a global flood?

Carbon-14 dating depends on the amount of atmospheric carbon-14 relative to carbon-12. This ratio would have been different before the Flood. The earth’s sediments contain a vast amount of carbon-12 in the form of coal and oil. [14] The amount of 14C in coal and oil is much less than in the present environment. If a significant portion of the coal and oil represents organisms that were deposited in a global flood, then the pre-flood atmosphere must have contained much less 14C and more 12C than the present atmosphere. If the rate of production of 14C were no greater before the flood than it is now, the pre-flood 14C would have been greatly diluted by the vast amount of pre-flood 12C. This would cause any pre-flood organic material to have a 14C date much older than the actual calendar date. After the flood, a new equilibrium concentration of 14C would be established over a period of time. [15] Plants and animals that lived during the time when the new equilibrium was being established would show old 14C ages, converging on calendar time over a period approximating a thousand years

the dating is accurate and not flawed as you want us to believe https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/10345875.amp

At least better than the guess work you want us to use

Steep:
How would carbon-14 dating be affected by a global flood?

Carbon-14 dating depends on the amount of atmospheric carbon-14 relative to carbon-12. This ratio would have been different before the Flood. The earth’s sediments contain a vast amount of carbon-12 in the form of coal and oil. [14] The amount of 14C in coal and oil is much less than in the present environment. If a significant portion of the coal and oil represents organisms that were deposited in a global flood, then the pre-flood atmosphere must have contained much less 14C and more 12C than the present atmosphere. If the rate of production of 14C were no greater before the flood than it is now, the pre-flood 14C would have been greatly diluted by the vast amount of pre-flood 12C. This would cause any pre-flood organic material to have a 14C date much older than the actual calendar date. After the flood, a new equilibrium concentration of 14C would be established over a period of time. [15] Plants and animals that lived during the time when the new equilibrium was being established would show old 14C ages, converging on calendar time over a period approximating a thousand years

and you think the chinese chronology is based on carbon dating or the pyramids were dated by carbon dating? Oh my goodness, at least try and verify before you post

A001:
Lols. And he also cooked up the Seriot language, which looks like a natural language, with these supposedly cooked up tales? Lols. Don't tell me you actually believe so.

Even studying that language alone (without researching some of the deep histories and writings he compiled) is enough to make one realize this life has tons of mysteries science can't explain yet.

it is easy to see you dont read. Do you know T RR Tolkien invented a language for the lord of the rings story? It just shows how intelligent Otem is. His stories are not revelations but stories

Steep:
What many people don't know is that the method of used in setting these dates are filled with assumptions.
They dated the dinosaurs to be millions of years but recent findings has seen soft tissues in the bone of dinosaurs! Wow!
How did soft tissues survive millions of years!
The truth is are people getting education or getting brain washed?

but your bible is accurate abi? Though what you wrote there are not true. They are just tactics you use to fight evidences that do not support the bible. On realizing that the civilizations in existence at the time this cock and bull flood happened, the next thing is to just say the date of these civilizations is not correct. So how quickly did noah and his family reproduce and spread to different places on earth so quick. So quick we have the Chinese people, we had Egyptians we had the black african tribes , we had people in south America. They are all racially different and all had well developed cultures and civilizations all under how many years of just noah and his family being the only humans left on earth. U people should try and be honest ones a while. I know you think it is by force to lie for your god

dazzlingd:
Theres something about otems write up. It beats mere imaginations.
Whether believable or not, theres something about it. I've taken my time to read the write up over the years and I'm awed because it takes more than just imaginations to put that together.
Otem has histories of cultures, names, people and places that you dont even know exists until I browed them.

oh! So you browsed them and realized they names existed. So what makes you think otem does not read extensively? Then use his knowledge to write his stories.

Annie001:
Make una dey lie small small na
Na so that papaya ex for ig say she buy chain for 15m she con bring out fake tester
Werey too plenty among this yeyebrities

abeg who be that one again

Steep:
If this date is correct, then the Great Pyramid existed before the Flood of Noah’s day.
One of the main reasons for this question is that secular literature commonly dates the Great Pyramid around 2550 BC.1 If this date is correct, then the Great Pyramid existed before the Flood of Noah’s day, which occurred around 2350 BC and destroyed everything on earth (2 Peter 3:5–6)! Obviously, something is askew.

Were the pyramids built before the Flood? Did the pyramids survive the Flood? Consider three points:

First, the Great Pyramid of Giza lacks significant water damage. The Flood was incredibly destructive. Researchers point out that the entire surface of the earth was radically changed. The surface of every continent was destroyed and new mountains formed. Thousands of feet of mud and sand were dumped on every continent, burying and fossilizing creatures and plants. Nothing manmade could survive such a catastrophe. (By the way, that means that the location of the Garden of Eden is also lost.)

Second, the pyramid is built on the fossil-bearing rock layers from the Flood of Noah’s day. Clearly, the Flood had to predate a pyramid built on top of the Flood layers.

Third, the Hebrew word translated “Egypt” is Mizraim. Mizraim was Noah’s grandson, born to Ham after the Flood. So Mizraim’s descendants could not have built the Great Pyramid of Egypt (Mizraim) until after the Flood, and for that matter, after the events at the Tower of Babel that caused Mizraim’s family to move to the region of the Nile River.

With all this evidence, the Great Pyramid is clearly post-Flood.

So, why the older date for the Great Pyramid in secular literature? Many of the accepted dates for events in ancient Egypt came from an ancient list of pharaohs and the lengths of their reigns recorded by the historian Manetho, who lived in Egypt about 200 BC.

Although there is much more to this, Manetho assumed the pharaohs’ reigns had been consecutive and so tallied them up sequentially to arrive at a very long Egyptian chronology. The problem, it appears, is that some of these pharaohs were reigning at the same time in different Egyptian kingdoms—the Upper Kingdom, Middle Kingdom, or Lower Kingdom. Sometimes fathers and sons seem to have reigned together for a long time, too.

So the dates for the pharaohs are grossly inflated. As an analogy, if we took all the past state governors of the United States and stacked their terms sequentially, the nation would appear to be much, much older than it is! The problem should be obvious.

In brief, the secular date for the Great Pyramid is incorrect, and all the pyramids and ziggurats across the world today are post-Flood construction.

so what is the correct date for the rulership of the Pharoahs? And what about the chinese dynasties in this same period?

Steep:
China is not the only one that has such story, many civilizations far apart also has similar story

yes... I know that. But have you read the story of the flood in the bible?

Steep:
China has the story about the great flood,

of cause there was a flood in china. So did the flood wipe out all humanity and all animals that were not in the ark according to the bible?