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Did I waste my years as a christian?
Absolutely not.
I made my mark.

Now I am starting over building a vision to still make a global impact. Would have been fantastic if I had been an atheist much more earlier in life before I build my life so much arnd missionary work

Yeah, I have regrets.

I have lost very good friends. Friends that are closer than brothers.

I have a friend in India who is a missionary (I should have been a missionary too). He sent a message to me sometime ago pained that I had forsaken the church, the brethren and the vision.

I have gifts I can't use anymore. The potential of what I could have achieved with my gifts was unimaginable.

I miss winning souls and nurturing converts. I miss all my converts. So fond of them and how they love me too. I don't want any of them to become atheists as christianity gives hope albeit false but hope is a thing of the mind, it does not have to be real.

I miss being able to pray for people so as to strengthen them

I miss singing heavenly songs that makes you believe and look forward to a better world God had promised mankind.


There is a lot to miss.


But I remain an atheist and would die an atheist. I wish I was never a christian. Cos my whole life had been built to please an heavenly father and fellowship and impact this God to people. But reality is what it is, it's either I pretend all these are true; the bible, god, jesus, holy spirit etc or I be honest with my discoveries.

I will keep promoting common sense above spiritual sensationalism.

namedonfinish:
thanks for correcting him, although not in d right manner..
I keep wondering why Nigerians will heap curses on themselves and expect d land to be healed.
Irrespective of d party in power, we should learn to make positive utterances so as to eat d good of d land..


God bless NIGERIA
HAPPY INDEPENDENCE CELEBRATION TO US ALL..

I tire for the vindictive reasoning of some people o. They talk as if they or their families won't be affected.

[size=32pt]WHAT IS THE WHOLE POINT OF THIS?

Religion is not a basis of compassion, people can be compassionate without religion.

Christianity is not as fantastic as they want you to believe, they are as evil and selfish minded as others they judge[/size]

Pastors are buying private jets and building mega churches.

Wait a minute.
They claim the private jets are for evangelism. Lol.

Have they won all the souls within their towns talkless of within the state, talkless of within the country?

Where are they Jetting to?

If they must travel out what happened to commercial airliners.


Are we saying they are no hungry people in Redeem or winner?

Some people can't even pay house rent, school fees, buy decent cloths, but the pastors are spending billions of naira on private jets. Hmmm

Even members are evil towards each other.

Take a moment and think deeply.

You believe EVERY human being is going to perish FOREVER, being punished in a Furnace called hell. No escape, no mercy.

YET

Just a small confession to Jesus and just saying you accept this Jesus as your Lord will guarantee eternal bliss.


Now the big question is WHY ARE CRISTIANS BUSY DOING EVERYTHING ELSE BUT NOT PREACHING?

If I believe in Hell, I will not buy anything I don't need to just stay alive and make heaven.

All I will have are 2 sets of cloths and bathroom slippers. A mud hut will do. I don't need cars at all. I don't need to save money.

But look around you what are christians doing? And yet they believe hell is real.

How many of them evangelize everyday. I am not talking of once a week.

How many of them have 5 converts they pray for everyday?

How many of them feed the poor?


How many of them visit the hospitals?


Of what use is a Range rover to a christian. Wait that is even too much. Of what use is a car to christian. Why not give that money to missionary work?
In the Book of Acts of apostles, people were selling EVERYTHING they had and giving the proceeds up for God's work.


What do christians spend their time doing today?

They are gathering worldly things and yet these same people will come online to talk about hell and heaven being real.

They would rather give a car to their pastor who already has 30 cars claiming to be sowing to the ministry. Than selling the car and distributing to those who have not had food to eat.


Now tell me again why these set of people should be taken seriously when they talk about hell or christian love.

What christian love? What sacrifices are they making?

As far as I am concerned. They remain the most heartless religion not Islam, not Hindus, not Shintos, Not scientologists no, Christians take the crown for heartlessness.


Because they are heartless but they want to be praised as most compassionate.

The little good the force themselves to do is all in hope for a reward from their god and not out of love.


If it was out of love we would be seeing christians selling things they don't need EVERYDAY just to help those in need.

johnydon22:
I have had my fun days and i am done with that now, there are certain things i believe within myself that i'm well above now.

I have grown past that.

I keep saying that people are at different levels of both consciousness and intellect, there is a certain stage you reach when all you want is Say your truth and not convince anyone of it.

You begin to realize everyone has their own path and their different pace at learning.

In order words you cannot convince a baby that he should be walking when he's at that stage of crawling, to convince him of that truth is irrelevant.

I have been able to break so many minds from religious bonds through out my stay here, many i know of many more i don't.

But i doubt if one of those my down moments when i degraded myself to the level of obliging people in such infantile personal emotional yarns and invective have i ever being able to help the readers help from such childish posts.

such posts to me now is meaningless and i am well above that now

Cool

johnydon22:
You are right bro, if you or anyone tracked my activities here on nairaland that person should notice that i stopped engaging in many arguments because debates here has taken a very childish tilt.

Invectives, personal attacks, emotional talks and all round childish squabbles and infantile trolling is the other of the day in the religion section.

That is one of the reasons i stopped engaging in such demeaning squabbles cus it insults the very essence of debates and discussion.

The only theist i enjoy discussing with is dorox, we discuss so well and we teach each other a lot of things without insults or going personal at all, just a good discussion.

If you read my debates or discussion with dorox you won't see two persons (a theist and an atheist ) arguing rather you'll see two individuals hungry for knowledge trying to figure out what is true rather than arguing on who is right.

That is the only type of discussion i can engage in now.

If you read my personal text it says: I am evolving in humility, humanity and intellect but pardon me yet still i am not perfect.

-Humility to let invective posts aimed at me to slide without degrading my intellect to that infantile level.

-humanity to understand we are all humans before any other label and even though i might no respect "personal beliefs" i'll respect and love humans.

-And in intellect in my willingness to listen and learn rather than argue to maintain correctness.

I strongly agree with you my brother, Scepticism is important very important for our intellectual evolution collectively as a specie.

But in a way scepticism is applied in matters of public concern there is tendency to belittle, condescend, to ignore the fact that deluded or not- supporters of superstition and pseudoscience are still humans with feelings who like us are trying to also figure out how the world works and our role in it.

Their ideas mostly are consonants with science but our cultures having not given us all that is needed to drive an objective motive they sorely should not be blamed.
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Let us always then try to temper our criticism with kind words because none of us comes fully prepared.

You are very right. I have a lot of intellectually engaging topics (like the history of religion, the chronology) which is well researched, but I think with the lack of intelligent people on this section, I will rather keep splattering mud with them. They are out to destroy all sensible discussion with childish squabbles. No wahala 2 can play the game

urahara:
Mo wa pa.
I am fine , oga hard mirror .

This one wey u no dey update ur thread again

We give glory to God.
You too like gist jare.
Come and be going

urahara:
No

Lord tomato there is none like u .

Whether the price of tomato reaches the price of gold i wil forever praise u daddy. I love u so much

Lord tomato blessed my tongue today with some sweet soft boiled yam this morning. The tomato stew was just wow. Indeed there is none like tomato.

How have you been bro?

dablazor:
We are all human beings hence we are not wired to have the same mind set, opines and perspective.
What sounds utterly preposterous to you might be considered sacrosanct to me.
Christians and Atheists on here feel the need to convince the other on how their respected views is moronic by making fun of eachother, but hey we can do this objectively without having a laugh off the other, the tempers flaring and that hate blistering goes beyond just child play.

I consider myself an Agnostic-atheist, and I respect your choice remaining a Christian, Muslim or whatever as long as you respect mine and not automatically wired to consider me silly based on that.

The tolerance level on this religion board is a serious low, and I see Christians getting hurt and shelved as their sacrosanct beliefs get washed under with a high pressure hose, same goes for Atheists.

Let's build a tolerant society it begins here most of us are in our 20s and 30s, we are the immediate future, of course am not perfect, sometimes I like some post or acknowledge jests made by atheist against Christians because I found it funny, which it was, I wouldn't lie about that, but to what end really?
It's all fun and jokes until some atheist gets lynched after being track down. Am not saying Christians are violent, but the human nature is capable of the darkest of deeds after being overly taunted.

Let's be tolerant, make mature arguments, less tauntings and jest, I was Christian for over two decades before I became what I am, and I needed no ones help seguing, so I believe each and everyone of us would discover the truth if we truly do some soul searching.

However this shouldn't be moderated before some rules springs from the shadows, I believe we are all adults and can differentiate right from wrong objectively, and I am a strong advocate of freedom of expression and speech, so the buck should verywell fall on each and everyone's table.

Life is beautiful, live and let live and see if it doesn't taste as good.

Adios hermanos.

Seun
HardMirror
CoolUsername
johnydon22
sonOfLucifer

I feel you bro.

Don't know if my threads hurt anyone, but I will keep opening them for the fun of it maybe, but I know they could provoke some thoughts in some minds. Wish I knew more atheists when I was struggling with my faith.

urahara:
Johnny 22 i see u o

Have u praised lord tomato today?

Hope we will be allowed to smoke weed sha, cos that will be the only thing that can help cope with such a miserable place

We won't eat meat again in heaven. WHAT!!! No meat, no fish.
Bye bye to pounded yam, egusi and bush meat
Bye bye to suya
Bye bye to peppersoup
Bye bye to pepper goat meat
Bye bye to bokoto
Byebye to fried chicken!
Chineke oooooo!

ValentineMary:
[colour =#006600] Heaven is a product of wishful thinking for those who are weak to accept the reality of non existence after death. Xtians would storm here now and begin to say stuffs like "But when we are in heaven we lose our past memories of earth" but they quickly forget that the knowledge of enjoyment comes from the knowledge of pain on earth. So they might as well not have any feeling whatsoever in heaven if their earthly knowledge iswiped. [/colour]

I just don't know how sane people will be happy in heaven when loved ones are in hell.

3. Gold everywhere.
Hehehehe
Everything must be expensive, Gold, diamond, ruby, topaz, emerald etc.
This is insane. Imagine if the whole world was gold. Won't that be monochronic?

Only an insane person wants to live in such a world.

By the way. This gold obsession proves that heaven is man made, a god shld not see gold as more valuable than clay. Only man sees value in rare metals. A god that creates all things will see all things as same value

2. Boredom per excellence.
Who wants to spend millions of years shouting hallelujah?

What the fvck will we be doing forever?

In a world were there are no challenges to solve.
Where everything is perfect.

Try and spend a year at home only watching tv and eating and sleeping. Even with 1000 tv channels you will be bored.

How much a life where there are no tvs, no video games, no sex, no worldly music, no clubs, no premiership, just people eating fruit and praising god.

You can't even eat meat again! We will all be vegetarians. Na wa o

1. How can you be happy in heaven when you know your loved ones are in hell?

Only a psychopath will be happy in heaven when he has family and friends burning in hell.

I know how sad I am when I am unable to give my juniour ones what they need how will I now feel if they are in hell and I am in heaven.

How will mothers feel knowing their children are in hell roasting?

Mothers that develop high blood pressure just because their children's uniform is turn and they can't afford to change them on time.

How much more their children burning forever.

Heaven will scatter with people protesting and begging God to free their loved ones.

Joagbaje:
Nice ones. That even reminds me . The Admision into the healing school is on in lagos

We can start by visiting the boy in the hospital and praying for him. Not for the fun of praying, but getting his eyes back.
Can we plan how to proceed?

Joagbaje:
That will be great . Are you saying you believe in God now

Of cos I do. Are u saying u are ready to lay hands on this boy and get his eyes back?

Joagbaje:
That will be great . Are you saying you believe in God now

Glad you are confirming what God is telling me. Let's get to it already Enough of the dilly dallying

Joagbaje:
What does it say?



Remember there's God part, minister part and recipient part. If the three elements are present It will be a bomb . But this case the man was there for a miracle . And Jesus simply yielded to the father instruction .

John 5:19
Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.

God is telling me that he has instructed u to pray for that boy so I believe

Joagbaje:
There are 3 sides of responsibility to healing . Firstly God ,The man of God or the reciever . If the reciever is not in a position to have faith , then someone close like parents or loved ones .

The God part . He supply ability as we pray ,he leads and direct how we should minister . he could heal without even our consent .

The minister can either minister by gift or by faith if the gift is not working . But he must have enough faith for the particular case .

The reciever must have faith in the power or someone close to him can take such responsibility .

Now for this case .I don't know the boy . You are the one who knows the boy. Someone has to take responsibility of faith . But you that should have been the Simeone don't even believe .

Have you read John chapter 9?

Jesus did not ask for his faith.

Joagbaje:
Well that' is foudation. Believe it . It will work for you



Matthew 16:1-4
The Pharisees also with the Sadducees came, and tempting desired him that he would shew them a sign from heaven. -- He answered and said unto them. . .A wicked and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given unto it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas. And he left them, and departed.




the bible says you won't . You will call it Pelebo effect or .. Abi it's placebo they call it .

Don't do it for me, do it for the boy.

Joagbaje:
The boy is not my responsibility. The gospel is my responsibility. If you believe , come and you have a miracle . I don't need to try to convince you by contest . When you need a miracle you will believe .

There's a testimony I'm on to . Now . A girl was brought to me having typhoid . While praying for her . A demon began to talk how he entered her through food (black egg) given to her in a dream by her friend 7years ago . He said they are to Tommment her for 9 years then kill her . She has 2more years to live . He even mentioned the name of the friend who they used as agent . I cast the demon out . She was healed .

Now listen . She confirmed she had Ben sick for 7 years . I mentioned to her about the black egg . She was shocked . I mentioned to her the name of the friend , she was shocked as though I'm one special prophet . But I captured the ministration on iPad . (Someone helped record ). I then gave her the video to watch . She was in tears . She confirmed everything . She's healed .

The challenge now is that the parent don't want her to attend CEC . They were Muslim then became cac but to commited . The girl was beaten by the dad . I told her to keep coming but I sent two elderly people to the parents to allow her come to church but give me one month . If this girl fall sick within one month she can stop coming to church . They agreed we are counting . But i am lead to stand my ground for such . They knew how much they spent for 7 years . If she allow me I will post the videos . And I believe If theparents see that it's true by the end of the month they will come and testify . And I will document it .

Nice story. Fitting for nollywood.
Of cos u will see it a contest instead of helping the boy. I was not expecting anything serious from u anyway. You can't give what u don't have.

Joagbaje:
You know you cant prove spider man is real. But I can prove miracles are real .



The guy I prayed for in the video recieved healing .



We have more than enough video evidence of the power of God . Umbelief is a demonic desease . Those who don't believe . Even if the boy receive a miracle they will claim he was not really blind. Even in the bible .

Luke 16:30-31
"He said, 'No, father Abraham, but if one goes to them from the dead, they will repent.' "He said to him, 'If they don't listen to Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded if one rises from the dead.'"







It's not true. Even when Jesus healed a man blind from birth whom they all knew . They still Attacked the parents doubting if he was really blind .

By the time the parents proved he was healed by christ they still didn't believe in him they give the glory to God Jesus is a sinner .

Bible is only story.
Go and heal this boy I am sure all atheist here are with me on this. We will believe you.

malvisguy212:
NONE

Good answer.

malvisguy212:
so what is the difference ? If you proclaim christ at the point of death and trusting on God against any physical mean, what's the difference ? I trust God with ALL my heart, and when the time comes to prove this, by his grace I will.

So which would u choose. The bullet or charm?

Joagbaje:
Don't speak for Christians . Some chose to die some chose resurrection .

Hebrews 11:35
And some women, through faith, received their loved ones back again from death. But others trusted God and were beaten to death, preferring to die rather than turn from God and be free--trusting that they would rise to a better life afterwards.

Will you choose to be shot in the head or choose to be killed using spiritual means? Simple question. U keep beating about the bush.

Here is a blind boy pray for his restoration. Simple task. U keep beating about the bush.

Yet people say atheists are living in denial. Denial of what? Of a God that does not exist?
Even the God's followers don't trust him.

Joagbaje:
Nothing to expose . God and miracles are real. Your questions were not applicable to me. Supposing I ask you what would you prefer to steal . Choose between bread and chin chin. I believe it will be childish question for you. You're not a thief to start with .



I have several documented videos of healing . That particular case was explained . Don't derail your thread

You have several videos of heals to prove they are real.
I have several videos to prove spiderman is real.

You mean videos produced to deceive the unsuspecting public.
Was your fake HIV healing not on video too? When investigated by a neutral person was the scam not exposed?
Go and pray for this poor boy who has no eyes no thanks to wicked men who removed them. Then see how all atheist around the world will quiver. We still have atheists and other religions because all christianity has to offer are lies.
If God heals this boy, before the week runs out nigeria will be 90% christians, but for where? The scammers will never go near a real life situation.

Joagbaje:
Yes you're right but we don't just lay hand at random. God has to speak . Several folk were at the pool ,Jesus only healed one and left the place .




As I said above he was lead. God leads . He shows you then you do.

John 5:19
Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.

So what is God telling u about this poor boy now
Keep dodging. I did not expect any better from you.
Frauds (not saying u are one ) are easy to spot with just simple, clear, open challenges like this. They will always have excuses while trying to package their escape so as not to seem to be running away.

As I said, your answers have been very helpful in proving that I say the truth. Thanks a lot for the verification

malvisguy212:
in 2001, during the religion crisis in kaduna, the muslims attack a christian man with bible on his hand, they command him to renounce his faith, but he refuse. Because the muslims people know him as a peaceful man, so they command him to throw away his bible and run, still the man refuse, one of the muslim cut him with knife, till he died. If you live in kaduna during the religion crisis, I tell you the truth, you will not open this thread. It is by God grace am alive today. If you think am lying, ask anyone who has stay in kaduna, ask him , what happen in riggasa.

Of cos u are not lying. Christians are ready to die for their faith, same with muslims, same with Jews, same with hindus.

Read and comprehend, I never said they will deny their faith. That is not what this thread is about. It is about choosing to trust God to protect u from a physical means of death or a spiritual means of death. Hope u understand now.