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Joagbaje:
Lucifer was actually the ruler on earth before Adam came . He rebelled with men on the earth against the almighty and the world was destroyed by a flood . God then created man in his image . One of the purpose is to be obey God and be able to judge angels . But lucifer made man fall and man was destined to the same doom with lucifer. That's why Jesus came to restore man that's what Christianity is about . And it's still sad that some are still blinded by lucifer who is called the god of the world system .

2 Corinthians 4:3-4
But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

Are you sure you are a christian talkless of a pastor?

From which bible did you read this your fairy tell? Where is it in the bible that satan lead a rebellion on earth before God created Adam?

And the question that chap asked was very simple, " was heaven not perfect before Lucifer scattered the whole place? And if that could happen then, why won't it happen again and again?"
Even angels left God and came on earth in the days of noah. Does that not tell u heaven makes no sense when you have "sons of God" fleeing just be cause of Pvssy they see on earth.

Do you know the reality of Hell fire than the angels? Yet they don't mind going to hell just for common Pvssy.

Think about this

guiltless:
Mr Hardmirrow MAY GOD HAVE MERCY ON YOU AND SAVE YOU FROM THAT REPROBATE AND APOSTASY SPIRIT THAT IS EATING YOU UP!

He shld have mercy on himself.
Address the issues raised not me. Leave me I am happy I am going to your imaginary hell

Decker:
God kills Lot's wife for looking the wrong way, but condones incest_between him and his daughters.

Come on, incest_isn't that much of a deal right? It's just sex between a man and his virgin daughter. Who cares. But do you know what's a big deal? Looking back when your city is being destroyed, and fire and brimstone is dropping like cow dung behind your back. That deserves the death penalty. Anyone who does that deserves to die a sad, pathetic death.

Beautiful thread!
Me enjoying it like yam porridge

johnydon22:
A woman and a man had very sweet sex and i am the result.

Are u sure it was sweet. Abeg don't talk that talk here again o

What a pity. Celebration of mediocrity. Have your fun boys and girls

Demmzy15:
You'll never find the likes of truthman2012, TruthHurts1, true2god, Annunaki, ebenice, malvisguy212, proudkafir, OLAADEGBU, Parisbookaddict, etc here to defend and bring back atheists to Christianity but you'll be flexing unnecessary muscles for Muslims who are mostly on their own. Hypocrisy at its peak, y'all should come and defend your doctrines here please!

Don't mind the bloody hypocrites. They call muslims all sort of names even insulting the Prophets, but they are worse than infidels

braithwaite:
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Hardmirror you're on point.. most don't have that intellectual capabilities to think through and beyond the so laid-up Biblical reference..on the subject **afterlife**
A concept of ‘soul’ equates it with the conscious mind but this is equally flawed, for when the body dies the conscious mind, being dependant on the brain, also ceases to exist. This mind/soul concept has the problem of the mind development, for death can occur in every stage from initial fertilisation to full physical and mental maturity; so ‘souls’ must be conceived as forever developing or forever remaining in an immature state.

weighing the evidence has no trouble in discarding the notion of the everlasting soul and accepting that death is the natural end to every human life.

By accepting that life is only for a finite period, short or long, were confronted by the matter of how best to spend the available time and therefore, if suitably informed, will most likely spend the time worthy of a human person.

It would be difficult to imagine a more useless waste of time than that spent in the worship of an imaginary god or preparing for a non-existent everlasting life in some mythical supernatural realm of eternal bliss.

Like a friend ask ;guy I noticed you don't cry when Mr john doe died.. I sighed tell him I've come to grips with the finality of our end without the aid of any comforting fairy tales or opposite so why shed tears.When I worry about my own death, it is not death that I really worry about, but the manner of death, and the lead up to it of decline, decrepitude, helplessness, pain.if I knew I would be fairly healthy until the end, and then die peacefully in my sleep, much of my anxiety would be far off gone.




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Lol
Na so my oga.
If heaven was so fantastic I wonder why satan and the demons are not begging God to forgive them. At least we know satan goes to heaven to see God occasionally, so with the good life he sees there he still refuses to be sorry. Lol
And with the terrible suffering he has seen in hell he still prefers to suffer there forever. Lol

Stupiitdity of the highest order.

Heaven must be one shiit hole

lastmessenger:
you are just being logical in saying there will be sin and rebellion but you do not have any concrete prove to show that this will happen. yes there is still going to be free will as a gift from God but we were also told that the enemy whose deceive the whole world will have been dealt with.

We all blame satan as the enermy. But let me ask you, was there any other satan that deceived lucifer? If satan can independently think of overthrowing God at a time when no devil existed, why do you think a million people will not do the same on their own without satan?

Where did satan get the idea of rebellion from if heaven was so perfect?

Why did angels prefer to leave heaven and be on earth with man and have fun with our girls?

Shows heaven is crap. If not satan and the demons will be begging God for forgiveness by now if heaven was so fantastic

Joagbaje:
There is rapture of course. we will be in heaven for just 7 years. And those 7 years will be tribulation for those on the earth. after that we will come back to the earth with christ for 1,000 years with christ called the millennia reign. Then final battle of good and evil and after that we have the new earth .

Which ever way, all I know is that there is no afterlife as described in the bible. We humans will fight God. Have you ever wondered why Lucifer could imagine taking over from God? Have you ever why angels will leave heaven to be on earth in the days of noah? So obvious God sucks and earth is sweeter. Satan has never repented so why should we humans repent? So obvious God is a mockery

Amberon11:
stop displaying your foolery here. Either you're just oblivious or you're a demon sent out to deceive. Saying there's no rapture? what rubbish!

Don't mind him. And that one too will claim to be a christian

Heaven will fall again! There will be sin and rebellion in heaven!

Yes! Yes!! Yes!!!
As long as we would have free will in heaven, then get ready for rebellion!

HOW DO I KNOW?

In the very beginning before man was created. There was this angel, he was the most beautiful and incharge of music in heaven. Lucifer, the bright morning star, he was!

Guess what? At this time there was nothing ever called sin. Nothing knew how to sin.

YET Lucifer rose one day and decided to take oover from God, a 3rd of ALL the angels even decided to follow Lucifer. And a war broke out in heaven.

Now after some years of this rebellion, you would think the angels have learnt their lesson not to rebel against God. For where?
In the times of Noah, these sons of God looked down from heaven and saw that the women on earth were beautiful, so they started running away from heaven (heaven must be so boring) and came to earth to have good times with our ladies.

I am therefore convinced that we humans that are even more stubborn than angels will scatter heaven in no time. Remember that angels have no free will like we humans, yet they could turn against God. How much more we humans that have free will?

So obvious God is not that terrifying, for the angels to not have respect or fear him and allow their penis make them leave heaven and not care about God's anger.


Think deeply about this

Jesus death Rubbish and uselessness
Yes, you read that right! The death of Jesus is absolute rubbish.

So God Soooooooo loved the world, yet the best he could do was send a single jesus to die and make it compulsory to believe in jesus before we can have eternal life? Hmmmm....

So while jesus was busy dying in Jerusalem, with the africans, south americans, australian aborigines asians totally unaware of a jew in jerusalem supposedly dying for the sins of the world world.

It would take hundreds of years for the gospel to reach many parts of the world even after jesus died. So what was happening to the millions of people dying everyday without even knowing Jesus ever existed?

It should have been, "for God so loved the Jews of Jerusalem..." Not the Whole world.

HardMirror:
1. BIBLICAL AFTER LIFE CONTRADICTS THE LAWS OF CAUSE AND EFFECT UPON WHICH IT IS FOUNDED
Romans 3: 23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God

The cause?
We have all sinned
The effect?
We Can't enjoy the glory of God

Solution?
John 3:16 for God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son, that who so ever believes in him shall not perish but have ever lasting life.

FANTASTIC
Cause of our salvation?
Believing in God's love and sacrifice
Effect?
We won't perish but have ever lasting life

MAKES SENSE RIGHT? WRONG!
Only makes sense when not examined.
Let us start with what condemned us.

The bible says we have all sinned. It makes it impossible that we are on this earth without sin.
WE ARE ALL CONDEMNED SINNERS!
So what is our sin?
The original sin we are all born with is the sin that a certain ADAM and EVE ate a certain fruit that made them know GOOD and EVIL

Hmmmm... Getting interesting

So the bible is saying we are all guilty because we all have knowledge of good and evil (which is a sin to jehovah)

This begs the question. Why not just punish adam and eve and give his offspring a fresh start? A chance to choose for ourselves?

if there is heaven, Why not create us directly into heaven?
It makes NO SENSE TO LOVE US and NOT want us to perish, YET you still allow people come to the earth only to have their chances of making heaven almost zero.

There must be a reason why we must be born on the earth and the only reasonable thing from a loving god would be that we are all condemned to hell even before birth on earth (meaning we existed somewhere before we were born) and God so loved us he is giving us a second chance to be saved by coming to this earth.
Anything other than this means God does not love us and actually wants many to perish because he knows coming to earth would only mean making bad choices that would land us in hell.

So why not create us all directly into heaven instead, since he loves us so much?

So the big question is what is the CAUSE of our coming to this world that we are now trying to achieve an EFFECT of making heaven?

Does not make any sense

1. BIBLICAL AFTER LIFE CONTRADICTS THE LAWS OF CAUSE AND EFFECT UPON WHICH IT IS FOUNDED
Romans 3: 23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God

The cause?
We have all sinned
The effect?
We Can't enjoy the glory of God

Solution?
John 3:16 for God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son, that who so ever believes in him shall not perish but have ever lasting life.

FANTASTIC
Cause of our salvation?
Believing in God's love and sacrifice
Effect?
We won't perish but have ever lasting life

MAKES SENSE RIGHT? WRONG!
Only makes sense when not examined.
Let us start with what condemned us.

The bible says we have all sinned. It makes it impossible that we are on this earth without sin.
WE ARE ALL CONDEMNED SINNERS!
So what is our sin?
The original sin we are all born with is the sin that a certain ADAM and EVE ate a certain fruit that made them know GOOD and EVIL

Hmmmm... Getting interesting

So the bible is saying we are all guilty because we all have knowledge of good and evil (which is a sin to jehovah)

This begs the question. Why not just punish adam and eve and give his offspring a fresh start? A chance to choose for ourselves?

if there is heaven, Why not create us directly into heaven?
It makes NO SENSE TO LOVE US and NOT want us to perish, YET you still allow people come to the earth only to have their chances of making heaven almost zero.

There must be a reason why we must be born on the earth and the only reasonable thing from a loving god would be that we are all condemned to hell even before birth on earth (meaning we existed somewhere before we were born) and God so loved us he is giving us a second chance to be saved by coming to this earth.
Anything other than this means God does not love us and actually wants many to perish because he knows coming to earth would only mean making bad choices that would land us in hell.

So why not create us all directly into heaven instead, since he loves us so much?

I remember days I would sing Lara Georges song, "Ijoba ORun" a song that provokes thoughts of heaven, "I want more of you" and the likes.
I have always been unafraid of death, I mean NEVER!
Yes I am afraid of the pain I may suffer while dying, but never afraid of leaving this world for glorious life that awaits with the Father!

Well, some times I think about hell and it makes me shiver.
Billions of people Burning, crying, in pain, in serious thirst and they will be like that FOREVER Hmmmm. OH LORD PLEASE LET ME BE AMONG THE FEW THAT WOULD REIGN WITH YOU. TAKE ME AWAY RIGHT NOW IF I WILL EVER DO ANYTHING THAT WILL COST ME ETERNAL LIFE!

Now more than ever before I embrace death with open arms. When I shall be asleep with no toil or desires.
Death is the reason why we live. Life feeds on death. There is nothing to protect or fight for.
What is life? Life has no purpose. All things are permissible as long as you are ready to accept the consequence of your actions. I mean ALL THINGS. Yes even killing other people.

You can choose to be whatever you like. No rules bounds you, only consequences bounds you.

Well that is not what I will be discussing here.

Rather,
I will be telling you why hell and heaven are nothing but myths. I used to be a christian so I will debunk the whole essence of the bible's Hell and heaven and salvation

Interesting thread. Don't worry about hardmirror, worry about yourselves. Thanks joagbaje

braithwaite:





Am tired of explaining it to them..

Hardmirror you geh time oh

I've not been online for 2 days now sef. Most times I ignore dumb comments.

So you have realized that Religion only has empty promises and nothing else.

Do not be deceived, there are Millions of Atheists living fantastic lives all around the world. You don't need the God delusion to live a happy successful life!

What should you do?

1. STOP LOOKING FOR SPIRITUAL POWERS!

Don't leave christianity and go to Hinduism, don't go into satanism, don't go into ANY form of spiritualism.
Some have been deceived into going into satanism thinking they will get power to get money, health and their other desires.
FIND PEACE IN YOUR SELF! Look at yourself in the mirror, you can be what you want to be.

2. BE 100% sure of what you want to do with your life
Why are you in school?
Why are you studying the course you are studying?
Why do you want to travel out?
Why are you getting married?
Why do you want to build a house?
Stop running the rat race! What do you really want from life?

3. Read the stories of people who live the kind of life you want to life
Get yourself absorbed in the life story of people you see as successful.
Stop hating successful people. Learn from them

4. Stop wishing and depending on luck, prayers or charms
Totally stop wishing. If you are a member of the "BABA PICK UP MY CALL CREW" abeg resign. Wishes don't make Men, Vision make men.
Don't get carried away by petty success stories. Olajumoke may be successful at her level, to people like me, I don't wish such success for any member of my family. Expand your orientation.
Stop celebrating Mediocrity.

Get ambitious friends
People who get things done, not people who pray and dream.
Change your level. Walk with people who are better than you.
My friends are established men, politicians, professionals not boys who see hustling as a way of life.

Get things done at any reasonable cost!
I can't go into much details here

You will get there

Forget all those Indian Talisman, satanism, Vodoo, God etc. All are in the same category.

People are getting things done all the while you are pursuing power for success

You will fail several times: it means it is time to review
Failure calls for revision.
Stop being stubborn!
You are doing something in a wrong way
Or you are totally on a wrong path

DON'T EVER BEG, BUT BE AN EPITOME OF HUMILITY
Package yourself.
Don't ever beg, smile a lot. Let people have confidence in you not Pity

Pyrrho:
Hardmirror, do you know that if you had died in that accident that day, some of those people urging you to thank God will be giving testimonies in church the next Sunday?

They would say something like, "just this week I witnessed a fatal accident. I just want to thank God for his protection over my life..."

Trying to hold religion to a principle is like trying to catch an eel with bare hands. There is always a slip through.

They say God heals, bring a deformed person, next they'll tell u God is not a magician.

They say God is Love and his love is more than that of a mother to a child. Yet same God allows children starve to death while it is claimed he is the one blessing a pastor with more G-wagons, range rovers, Mercedes SLS and the likes. They will tell you God knows best.

At the end it is just like trying to fetch water with a basket.

People die in accidents, even some FUTA students going for a church program perished about a week ago. Which should we believe? Does God protect His own or not?

LISTEN AND LISTEN GOOD,
Life is all about survival of the fittest.
The lion preys on weaker animals without mercy or remorse.
Blacks were enslaved because the whites were more advanced in weaponry.

LISTEN TO ME IF YOU KNOW YOU WANT TO BE AT THE TOP.

You will suffer, your children will most likely suffer. You will watch your family die in hunger, you will watch your family trampled and humiliated. You will run for your life, you will come to a sudden realization that you have been a fool, living in comfort and not preparing for war!

We the thinkers have thought ahead and we see a grim future. Men will gnash their teeth and pray for quick death when they are tired of running from death on empty stomach.

It may not be soon, but it is inevitable!

Listen to me!

1. If you are poor, start gathering money NOW!

2.Don't save your money in the banks, save them where only you know.

3. Don't save Naira notes, buy gold. If you can't get gold please save stable currencies such as the dollar. You naira will be useless war comes.

4. Have ready visa. Don't accumulate visas of countries like the UK. They won't take you when the heat comes on. Look for countries that have a low inflow of migrants, but with strong allies with world powers.

5. Start traveling out occasionally to these country. Infact have your children there but maintain property in you place of origin.

6. Join powerful societies (at your discretion, don't ask me for details)

7. Do something meaningful with your life. That will give you friends out side your country.


99% would read this and do nothing.

Do it for yourself, if not, do it for the sake of your children.

Civil servants no matter your rank, will beg for bread when the time comes. The poor generally will suffer terribly. The rich who are only local champions will be the first casualties.

If this does not make sense to you, please just ignore. Continue to live your visionless life, continue to buy cars and compete with your family and neighbors.

I can't give details, but the smart will understand.

Don't relax and think things will always be like this, terrible times will catch you unawares and you will lose all.

Ishilove:
I've said all that needs to be said. I wish you well

Pls keep to what you just said now. Your contributions have been useless. If you have an atheist or freethinker, direct them to me. I did not open this thread to hear sermons. Bye

Stevebamdex:
Hardmirror I will want you to see this..can you prove this as an atheist?

Give me a youtube link. Your link is empty, nothing to download

Immorttal:
She is a beautiful woman,thats all i know.obese or not maybe her hubby like it like that.I,ve seen people who prefer bbw but my preference is slender lepas,they simply don't age in a hurry.

U have good eyes my friend. Only problem is she could be silly most times, but she and her ilk make my smile, cos all I see is girlish innocence.

Ishilove:
You need to critically examine what 'tantrum' means. Try Webster dictionary.

You made your intentions known through a series of posts which even a 5year old child can deduce. I merely stated what you have written in your posts, but what do you do? You go off tangent, say I'm unintelligent, judgemental, accuse me of living in sin, not evangelising, and being unhappy for not qualifying for your vacancy for the post of a godless and deluded girlfriend.

Whew. Yet he says I'm the one throwing tantrums. Lmaaaaao!!!

Stare into the looking glass, Mr Hardmirror and perhaps God may be merciful and show you the true light. The true one, not the false one you think you have found.

Baby girl, let's talk somewhere else. Let's not derail the thread with our love arguments

lepasharon:
I heard she is obese

Miss Slim wetin concern you with ishilove's size? She is VERY beautiful, take it from me. Not seen your own face sef.
Come dey go

Immorttal:
i think that woman is married with at least 4kids oo ignorance is no gentleman.

Married or not, I know what she wants, but unfortunately she does not qualify

Immorttal:
If you wear a red shade,all things would always appear red.Religious people always attribute a narrow death escape as a miracle and God's undeserved mercy.You had an accident because:
1.You chose to ignore the continuous warning signs promulgated by your vehicle. Here action gave birth to reaction.
2. Bad road network.And critical deficiency of proper transportational system like road signs,traffic signals,double way routes etc. Here Cause and effect were on show.
3.Carelessness,eg drinking moments before taking to the wheels,lack of focus,external distractions,wrong judgment, or unforseen occurrences,for instance oncoming driver's recklessness.

The reason you are still alive is as a result minimal damage to your body thats all,and some folks are always in a jiffy to attribute your NDE survival to God.Why didn't God saved you from crash by averting the extenuating circumstances preceding the accident like touching the government to always provide and maintain a standard road network.

Problem is people don't think.

frank317:
The devil is really tormenting and terrorising Christians.

I wonder Why the blood of Jesus no de finish...

Same Christians claim the blood of Jesus protects them yet they sprinkle it endlessly like it is not really working. I am confident that almost every car that had accident in Nigeria must have received its own share of prayer and blood sprinkling before the trip, yet accidents happen everyday on our roads.

I think Christians know there prayers don't work.... if not, why pray endlessly like God is deaf.

They pray when they wake up in the morning and cover the whole day with the blood of Jesus
Yet they pray at every meal (recall the day have already been covered)
They pray before the journey
They still shout Jesus when ever the car shakes
Endless meaningless mumbling called prayer, yet no assurance. God needs to b reminded at every minute of his promise..
These guys no de tire? They are the ones with the most fear about everything, yet a single bomb by boko haram will destroy them all in their own house of God.


Lol... this joke is getting beyond control.

It's all common sense

Ishilove:
I asked A, you're talking B.

I asked a simple question: Do you know me off Nairaland?

A simple yes or no will suffice

I know u want my attention real bad. I've noticed you my dear
Maybe when I need a christian I'l beep you. U fair, u beautiful and chubby. All nice but not now my dear.

Ishilove:
Where in my post did you see me saying you need my permission to live your godless life?

Yet you're taking shots at the intelligence of others. The irony.

You must really like me
Reading thru your posts makes my smile to myself.
You've been throwing tantrums since, seems you are not happy you don't qualify.
Don't worry I love you all the same. Thanks for all the prayers for God's mercy on me. You such a darling

Ishilove:
Did I hit a nerve? I'm a Christian so I will speak from the POV of my beliefs!

You want an atheist/freethinker who will join you in your godlessness. By all means go ahead living your life the way you have chosen it and stop trying to take shots at my 'intelligence'. No one is stopping you. Live godless and 'free'.

I pray for God to have mercy on you.

Lol
You funny. Well, u are a girl so no problem.
I didn't need your permission to go ahead, so I don't know why you are asking me to go ahead.
Abeg chill

Ishilove:
Do you know me off Nairaland?

Hehehe
So you don't like being judged, but here you are talking about my intentions as if you know me offline.
Smh. Speaks volumes about the kind of person you are