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No matter how y'all spin it. Imperfection has always and will always be part of creation. We only want to turn a blind eye to it .

Kobojunkie:
1. A terribly flawed conclusion on your part! As to whether I have taken a stance or not regarding perfection, my stance means nothing since this ought to instead be about that which is written. According to the story, man, Adam, was not made perfect by God from His beginning. This goodness certification is a quality of the work done by the creator, and not a characteristic of the man himself.

2. If you would stick to what is written rather than these numerous attempts to redefine/redraw that which is written, you will find that it ain't as complicated as you think it is. God created all creatures, He breathed life —the breath of Life which is spirit and belongs to God — into every one of the living creatures that He created. There are no ambiguities in any of what is written as is written.

3. There you go insisting that it should all have been according to how you supposed. Adam was given a choice and made to know the consequence of disobeying said choice. Oh well!

4. In your confusion, you keep forgetting that evil was created by God Himself. You know what, You need to make up your mind whether you want to argue the delusions and musings of you or need to focus instead on seeing what is written as it is written.

This goodness certification is a quality of the work done by the creator, and not a characteristic of the man himself.

1. You're stretching this further and further. How did man got these characteristic if not from God's likeness. Its like making a robot and you'd expect it to just perform the task you built it for, without the necessary programmes and instructions it need to be fed with, to execute it. . Such creation is nothing more than a caricature!


If you would stick to what is written rather than these numerous attempts to redefine/redraw that which is written, you will find that it ain't as complicated as you think it is. God created all creatures, He breathed life —the breath of Life which is spirit and belongs to God — into every one of the living creatures that He created. There are no ambiguities in any of what is written as is written.

2. Since God breathed life into every living creatures. I am sure the the carnivorous animal we have today, initially started out vegans or how did they got the knowledge of killing other animals to help them survive. Or was it part of the plan too? Or was it humans fault, that made them share in the punishment too? Please explain this.



There you go insisting that it should all have been according to how you supposed. Adam was given a choice and made to know the consequence of disobeying said choice.

3. Maybe your error is you believing that I had wanted a perfect world, where everything would have worked out as plan. As if eating the supposed apple wasn't even part of the plan! since the consequence of eating the apple was stated, the it had to be part of the plan, else God would've made only the tree of good only, to save himself the stress of regret of making man. I said it earlier that the fact the tree of good and evil exist, then he should've had the premonition of what to expect. The flaw didn't just come spring up from "thin air", even though he saw it that it was good. This does not invalidate the possibilities of the probabilities of Adam going the opposite way of the "intended plan" . Stop looking at this from only one side of the coin. Adam was given a freewill within a constraint set of choices ffs! It's like the dilenma choosing between A and B, Of which it present in its enticing possibilities. Common. Man, do not make it look as if Adam deserved. Don't be God's jury here. You don't even know its intention, even though he said he regretted making man. Haven't we ever entertained the thought of going back to our childhood when the world then was without pressure and responsibilities, when we received the attentions and care, but the constraint is we have to grow. And by growing, we shoulder more responsibilities.




In your confusion, you keep forgetting that evil was created by God Himself. You know what, You need to make up your mind whether you want to argue the delusions and musings of you or need to focus instead on seeing what is written as it is written

4. If evil was created by God, what was the intention of him creating it, if he created a perfect world? Are you telling me the all knowing God do not know the probabilities of the outcomes of his own action!!!!! Tell me please. Make me understand. Even of he wanted to test Adam with the tree of good and evil, then he should still know what the outcome will be on both sides, which means God's creation was good in "making" but not entirely good in characteristics. And if this is still the case, God who created evil himself is capable of evil, because he can comprehend what evil is, even if he's not inclined to do so. It's like two side of a coin. Both are inseparable!!!!! So in essence God's creation can only be assumed to be good in aesthetics, and not in their characteristic; of each of his creation.

Emphasis on the word "Love". What is love? It is a deep and intense affection for something, usually people. And for an intense affection to be triggered, it must require your attention. Cos love Is all about attention for affection to take a foothold. So if you dedicate your attention for something material as money, either every other thing will take back seat value to you, or their as a means to an end. And this therein, is where rhe evil lie.

I do not believe them to be herdsmen, but rather armed robbers masquerading as herdsmen to give herdsmen a bad rap.

Kobojunkie:
1.

2. What fault slipped through? Where?

3. I think your confusion comes from you turning both on their heads as if to force the same meaning on both. God created Adam good so that Adam was fully able to choose between right and wrong, good and evil - choices. Adam was created by God fully capable of choosing to live according to the Perfect will of God, or not. Adam had no fault that would hinder him from making perfect choices if he were to have chosen exactly that for himself. The choices Adam eventually made have nothing to do with his creation since He was created and certified good by His creator.

If this is what you claim, then don't you think there's a mixup somewhere. Please think deeply about this thing. Mind you, what I seek is not to prove you wrong, nor do I have any need to validate my position being the right one. I am only imploring you to take a second look, and you you'll see perspective changes. Some of these words will pass of as authentic, until you think deeply to notice the ambiguities and conflicts in them.

This is what you said down here



Make certain you understand what is written abeg. God certified that man was created by Him to His exact specifications. Declaring the finished product GOOD means the product was created without fault from its beginning.

2. Goodness is a quality of being in conformance with God's specification and design, whereas holiness or perfection has instead to do with being in compliance with God's Law.




If God created man in his image, obviously then, man will be perfect or Isn't God not perfect? It means you've not really made a taken a stand if man Is perfect or not. You said specifications fine I agree, but where will you fit in the part where God said he made man in his image and likeness. Don't you think there's more to it? He breathed into man his spirit for man to be conscious and aware. How did you miss that part too? See brother, in your assertions, you've kind of blur the line between being good and being perfect, often times, since when I engaged you, you're kind of not sure what word to use, whether it's good or being perfect. And that's one of the ambiguities I am talking about.

If Adam was given an instruction to follow in the garden of Eden, the acclaimed first paradise that consists of tree of good and evil. Then there should be a premonition of both outcomes! He's omniscient ffs! He should know this, and if this is the case, then God's creation are likely not perfect. They may be good, and being good is not a cushion against going the wrong way. In the garden of Eden, there's the paradox of choices which cannot be resolved if one is to follow hkw its being described in the bible. And also, please ponder on this too. If God could make a tree of Good and evil in the bible, don't you think God can comprehend what evil is, and if he can do this, then God can have the tendencies to be evil, even if he's not inclined to do it. He might have created a supposed perfect place out of his "good heart" but it doesn't make the creation perfect in anyways, if there's a tree of evil in the garden!

Kobojunkie:
1. Make certain you understand what is written abeg. God certified that man was created by Him to His exact specifications. Declaring the finished product [b]GOOD means the product was created without fault from its beginning[/b].

2. Goodness is a quality of being in conformance with God's specification and design, whereas holiness or perfection has instead to do with being in compliance with God's Law.

I understand bro, just calm down. That in the bolded is where I will draw my next point of arguement. We all agree God is omnipresence right, and his(sic) presence permeates every existence, like everywhere right? And u said everything was without fault in the beginning (atleast in his eyes). How come this fault slipped through unnoticed into his creation, if he's the essence that permeates all existence? (I am sorry I used the word essence, since religion God has been genderlised . I take it back. I'll continue with the his henceforth, thank you.



Goodness is a quality of being in conformance with God's specification and design, whereas holiness or perfection has instead to do with being in compliance with God's Law. [/quote]I am sorry bro, I might not agree with this, it almost like subtly equating being good to being perfect. It's like since God created me good, then I must be perfect by following his law. Dont you think that line there is even conflicting, since you even state earlier that Declaring the finished product [b]GOOD means the product was created without fault from its beginning[/b]. And come to think of it, there's no law without sin.

Kobojunkie:
God didn't make man holy/perfect from His beginning. Instead God declared man good after He made man , certifying that man was built to God's intended specification.

Atleast you know man wasn't perfect/holy from the beginning. And what if the intended specification include in it the possibility of something going wrong"? Unless you want to equate being good to being perfect again, which I know you dare not

Kobojunkie:
1. God's mandate to man is obedience of His teachings and commandments. Noncompliance results from disobedience of God's commandment, a choice made against God also know as sin.

2. This ain't about some spirit lexicon as the bulk of scripture is older than your Webster dictionary. So you should try reading through scripture to gain understanding of the applicable definition of a term through basic comprehension. This instead of picking the first definition you find for a term in Webster, thinking to impose it on scripture.

First you asked this question
Why is God not allowed to create the kind of creatures He sees fit to create?

Then you replied this

God's mandate to man is obedience of His teachings and commandments. Noncompliance results from disobedience of God's commandment, a choice made against God also know as sin

I want to ask you this time, did God made them all perfect or not?

Kobojunkie:
Yes, the definition used in scripture .

In scripture, Perfection aka Holiness is in reference to God's Law and specification. That which is perfect in the sight of God is that which is in direct compliance with His Will and Law.

Then what caused the incompliance of the will and law. Seems God has a separate definition of perfection in his spiritual lexicon, of which you're privy of, that I dont know off.

Kobojunkie:
And?

Do you have any other definition of "perfect" different from the one in the dictionary?

Kobojunkie:
What aspect of living and being able to make choices that directly impact your existence are you having a problem with?

Why is God not allowed to create the kind of creatures He sees fit to create?

God made everything "perfect"

Firstcitizen:
You that is the expert in implications, where was he when the French government and American government deployed private military contractors to his doorstep in the past?

How can they deploy military contractor on his own soil without his awareness?

Pursuit of wonder
Melody sheep
Like stories of old
Star talk by Neil de grasse tyson
Vsauce. And host of others

Firstcitizen:
Akufo-Addo should shut up. The same people he is trying to impress will be the same people that will frustrate the sale of weapons to Ghana when insurgency erupts there. His time is coming.

You obviously don't know the long term implications of inviting mercenaries from outside to fight your own war, especially in a place like Africa, where exploitation by outsider's holds sway. Mercenaries tends to fuel insurgency more than they can quell it. Win or lose, they always profit.

A305:
This would only prevent people from saving huge sum of money in the bank when they know It will be a mountainous task to take out the money when needed urgently, (especially business men who need huge cash to run their business), in other words — the whole idea of cashless policy will be defeated if these set of huge spenders refuses to keep huge cash in the bank.

Unfortunately, mindset like this will defeat the purpose

He's literally saying, igbo presidency is a pipe dream without the intervention of the North.

elmoore676:
watch your mouth idiot if you have guts come to North and utter this.

That's you guys up there are known for. Defending nonsense and stupid and beheading people for it.

BigSarah:
Their land, their rules.. They are true Muslims, they practice the religion the way it should be practiced

It's not a must you defend nonsense .

I honestly don't know why y'all are blaming the government. If I can read the mind of the government correctly, they are likely stepping back and watching you make fools of yourself especially your so called freedom fighters, since you want to govern yourself, they've probably left you all alone to yourselves and your so called freedom fighters. One wonder why there's little military presence in the east nowadays. I only pity the sensible ones amongst them. May the life of the innocent ones Rest in Peace tho.

Henrikjay:
Just know that all the killings, kidnapping, havoc and destructions of properties etc.. That re happening in all the eastern states re been sponsored and promoted by the states Governors ... ... .. ( have u ever heard that o e of the eastern governor family member killed or properties destroyed or governor's was escort was attacked) how can some criminals say sit at home and shutdown all activities including private and public sectors and a Governor of it state will grant it and abide by it ....WHO ARE THE REAL BANDITS ..... In Nigeria..

I wonder how some people will sit in the corner of there house with small data on their fone to conjure nonsense .

hammer567:
URCHINS WAILER!



CRY ME A RIVER.



I DEY MY LANE, ALL THE WAY TO BIAFRA.

Na ur type go taste small power con turn dictator wey no go wan comot. Your lots are worse than the government you're fighting to gain your biafra. We know you're fight this cause with good intents. You never gain power, see the mess you've put your kinsmen into, see what you've turn your region into all because of your inordinate ambition. Tueh!

HardMirror:
atiku is not a front runner? Hahahahaha. 2 months 2 go. I will laugh tire when inec is reading the results.

I am not about who's going to win the election. Obviously that's not the question you asked. That's another issue entirely of which j am not interested in, I still love my sanity and patience intact

It's not that they are mature . They know they not the front runners of in race to this election. Their candidate does not have that much drama, enough to carry weight, that will make the supporters to make noise around him. What is there to know in atiku if I may ask ? Nothing! Look at P.O, people make noise because he's 1. An outsider, and a new face in these race. 2. He's the anointed one of the post "End sars" movement, which are made up of youths, so obviously the noise. While Tinubu , The man's profile reeks of so much unanswered questions, like his age, sources of wealth, accomplishments and so fucking on. So you'd expect his supporters to always be on the counter too.
Atiku does not have much going in around him, we've known him and his antecedents, he can't tell us nothing new.

My question is how do I create books, stories to. I really need help on this, cos I have so many ideas for stories to write.

KiNg0G:
I mean, you lost a son? Who hasn't lost a love one before? Yesterday was Saturday. Do you know the amount of people that was buried into the ground by different families while they moved on with their life's. Why kill your career you suffered to attain because of a death of a loved one? This is December, jubilee, carnival celebration. David, you supposed to be raking in millions of nairas for shows, streams and promotion of new songs. You supposed to be climbing higher that's the goal While you are still there supposedly mourning for something that you can't change. O wrongi...

you not a woman, your a full grown man that supposed to cater for his living families.. why worry about what you lost?

I heard from a friend it will take a long time before he's going to be fully back like dbanj did. Well, I pity him still. Because we don't have to tell him he's falling already from the top 5. these new generation of artists don't have chill.. he's getting replaced each and every day.. his fans adapting to new artist on a daily basis. By the time he's back, he would be like an "old taker" upcoming artist oritshe femi and the rest.

Seun
Mynd44

You could loose a loved one too, prolly your own seed if you love them. Until then, maybe you should please step down the role of a special adviser

cunny88:
that doesn't change the fact that she misused a golden opportunity to study abroad, get good grades and live a better life

Make una dey read to understand

It's obvious you don't understand what this post us about, so it's better you just save yourself from further exposure of your ignorance by refraining from typing further to expose these ignorance.

[quote author=efficiencie post=118668449]Madness. I blame the churches and families that accept to make wives out of hoes. They will ask for genotype, blood group test and pregnancy test but they will not ask if the couples, especially the lady is sexually pure as a precondition for the solemnization of a marriage. Then when the couples start having sexually related issues in their marriage they will start rubbishing the marriage institution instead of calling out the fools that joined two misfits in an unholy matrimony. If every clergyman and every family enforced the virginity of ladies before marriage, this foolish mother will not allow her daughter have sex before marriage let alone going as far as recommending family planning for an underage girl and even the girl will never try any sexual nonsense knowing fully well she would be jeopardizing her chances of getting married. This will elevate the punishment for rape to capital punishment and will make rape victims easily prove their

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Advocate500:
let us assume he is lying against tinubu,the moral obligation to clear tinubus name rest on you guys,so you should counter David with stronger fact for the sec of tinubu reputation.

I wish I know the stuff inside you people's head. So so gullible lots

femisplash:
Are you comparing an FBI agent to a regular private individual?. Even at that, there's no law restricting a secret service agent from disclosing his status when/where he deems fit, talk more a private individual.

Don't mind the wannabes. If you don't like tinubu, fine. Atleast be intelligent na

socialmediaman:
Many people aren't on LinkedIn either for privacy or the sensitivity of their jobs. I know many people like that. For example, a FBI agent may not be on LinkedIn either based on their job requirement or privacy reasons. A police officer etc.

Not a post that one phantom tish negron occupy, what's so sensitive about the post. Its even possible people who occupy higher ranked posts on deloitte are on LinkedIn, so what are you saying

Blue3k:
Amazing the continent with the least economic activity produces the lowest emissions. I wonder if there's some correlation between energy usage and economic output. Maybe there's also a correlation between the types of energy used and the types of emissions released. We'll need to conduct a 5 year 100 million dollar study to find the answer.

There should indeed be a correlation between the type of energy usage and its emissions. As of now, we rely mainly on green and renewable energy for our energy needs. This which impact our environment more. We've seen renewable energy in form of dams built , can cause deforestation, flooding and disruption of the ecosystem, while green energy being deceptive in its name is majorly fossil fuels and gas. These also impacts the envronmnt, albeit atmosphere too. I think the next frontier of innovation in human energy needs should shift focus in clean energy, which has less impact on the environment. Examples are the wind and solar energy.

It's saddening how the biggest polluters of earth's climate are giving flimsy excuse for their absence on an issue that threatens our existence as human on this planet.