everyone gets persecuted bro

so that when it fails, they say the prayers averted it

When Jesus was on the earth, people were living under the law of Moses. they COULD NOT live under new testament principles, so thats why Jesus admonished tithe: because they were obligated to observe the law of Moses

nifesi01:
There is one thing I don't understand,Do the pastors force people to bring money to church or we willingly drop our offerings,when you give church or pastor money were you charmed? Why all this church is a business this or that

do conmen force people to give them money for fake visas or fake whatever? No people give willingly because they have been deceived, and that is why conmen are arrested; because they exploit the trust of others for personal gain

wirinet:


I think Daddy is being economical with the truth here (i did not say daddy is lying), but how does the said law prevent you from the 100% lifetime salaries you propose to pay your pastors? The federal pension law only deals with salaries of working citizens, it does not stipulate how much you must pay your pensioners. You can decide to pay your pensioners 200% of their basic salaries if you want.

The pension law only stipulate you pay at least 5% of basic salary to the pension administrator as pension, to be paid back when the worker retires, so i do not understand paying this 5% would affect the church from still paying pension to its worker.




Can daddy please give us a hint of these fresh laws that are particularly targeted at RCCG? Sections and chapters.

so basically he's pissed off because he can't get 100℅ pension?

Siscooh:
Strange desires, strange spirits! Beware!

strange according to you

What is the object?

mikeeano:
Oh my God, I am a full member of MFM and was present at the power must change hands program yesterday. The statement Pastor made about ladies who Swallow Siemens is true but He did not refer them as "CARNIVALS". What he said about them is that they have been eating from the devils table which the Siemens they Swallow would have caused pollution to their body and DESTINY because it will become part of them when it gets into their system. #SIMPLE. I think the lady who posted this only wanted comments/response to her post or blog.

For full prove you can request for the video. [color=#000099][/color]

like it makes any difference whatsoever

4everGod:



HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Richie Dawkins the confused man. He called NOTHING ...SOMETHING and then said NOTHING is simplistic and then said NOTHING is WHATEVER IT IS. in other words NOTHING IS A WHAT! IS A THING! HAS PROPERTIES WHICH ARE SIMPLISTIC!

The struggle is real. Even the much younger audience saw how ridiculous he was and yet he claims to be intelligent.

there is no such thing as nothing. in a quantum vacuum energy is bubbling spontaneously, you cannot isolate anywhere in this world or space where there is nothing; so the word nothing is abstract and imaginary. it's a conceptual idealisation

KingEbukasBlog:


Live feed can be tampered with . Ask the International Space Station

if it were easy to fake it would have been done already

shadeyinka:


I just affirmativly told you the answer. You existed as Nothing.

The second sentence was a question for you as you seem to think otherwise. Its a free world isn't it?

What is your answer? Plane and Simple

I've got a question if a spirit is eternal then it shouldn't have a beginning nor an end because the word eternal means ever existing

felixomor:


Stop the yeye.
Nothing is nothing.
Use a dictionary.
Or speak your local dialect.

Peace

well the point being made is that practically there is no such thing as nothing

PillarofCloud:
@damiloladuke... I SEE NAIRALAND IS BECOMING A GATHERING OF BLASPHEMERS & CHILDREN OF PERDITION IN FULFILMENT OF THE WORD OF D LORD CONCERNING D LAST DAYS... Listen...

"For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.

"We preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews (the traditionalists) a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks (sacrilegious, deluded & self-acclaimed smarties & intelligentsia like d OP, Sexskilzz &Freeze) foolishness;

"(But) the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men.

"For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men (like these foolish self-acclaimed smart wise ones) after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called:

"But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty; And base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are:

"That no flesh should glory in his presence." (AMEN).

you assume that everyone here who's criticising is an unbeliever, we believe and have read those same scriptures you dey drop, you can't defend something by just saying "you lack spiritual understanding". you and your MOG do not have a monopoly over the Spirit. It is arrogant to think that you are the only ones who are spiritual and that everyone who questions you is "carnal" where you have erred apologize and people will forgive you. don't pretend to be so spiritual and when you fail you then blame people for "not understanding", "being atheist" "being carnal"

luvmijeje:


Oops... .. . Spiritual subjectivity relativism. You lost me there.

You can't be a Christian and not subject yourself to the spirit except if you're not one.

my point is there is no need to consult the spirit when something is clearly amiss

luvmijeje:


You can test the spirit by being spiritual and shielding yourself with his words.

If you are filled with the spirit of God, and you hear any false teachings or prophecy your spirit will rebel. If you've not gotten to that point with God then ask for his help.

I believe God gave us brains for a reason. let us not push the obvious into spiritual subjective relativism

luvmijeje:
I'm not defending the man of God but if truly God told him before the end of the year then God's words will definitely come to pass. God's time is not man's time.

When God made convenant With Abraham and told him his descendants will be uncountable as the stars. Do you know it took centuries for the convenant to be fulfilled.

But if it's left to the OP and his Ilks, they would have mocked Abraham and say how will an old man's descendants be uncountable as the stars. A man who has 2 kids at an old before departing this world. God's time is not man's time. A 1000 days in man's eyes maybe 1 day in God's eyes.

I'm not there when he communicated with God but if God's truly says it then it will come to pass . And if he didn't then judgment will be between him and God because is judgements will begin in the house of God.

your reasoning makes it impossible for anyone to be a false prophet, how then can we test the spirits as John said?

DebbieLaw:
To all of u assuming the position of a judge,judging the pastor d same way will God judge u whether u are right or wrong..Judge not my anointed and do my prophet no harm..it seems so many of u tk dat for granted..whether he is real or fake wat right do u hv to assume that? U want to assist God to assume d position of d judge...#assistant gods..ride on

the same right we have to judge anybody else in the world after all, Pastors are humans just like everyone else. And every Christian is anointed mind you

The power of culture

Homo sapiens arrived only 200000 years ago according to science. So adjust your calculations

So if a man decides to share responsibilities in the house is it a problem

emmahoney:
After independence, in order to build a great
nation, each country went to work. But in Nigeria,
after independence, our people went to pray and
fast.
So, while we were praying, Malaysia came here
and took our palm seedlings and built a great
factory of it.
While we were praying, Singapore went into
investment in technology.
While we were praying, India went into ICT.
While we were praying, China went to massive
industrialisation.
While we were praying, UAE went into massive
infra structural development.
While we were binding and casting Lucifer,
Japan went into technological development.
While we were speaking in tongues, Denmark
went into education of her citizens.
While we were mounting big speakers in our
places of worship, USA was mounting man on
the moon.
After our prayers, God, being a wise God decided
to reward us according to our labour.
Since those that went into industrialisation,
technology, infra structural development, ICT,
education etc have been rewarded accordingly.
It's only wise God rewards us with our efforts in
prayers.
That's why today, Nigerian pastors are
competing in building the biggest churches.
That's why there are more prayer houses and
worship places than hospitals and schools.
That's why people rush to prayer houses for
medical and business solutions instead of
hospitals.
That's why we don't do business visibility before
jumping into it since we are going to back it up
with prayers. And when it collapses, we blame
devil.
That's why it's a sin to say anything negative
about Pastors and Imams.
That's why our Pastors don't consider the
opinion of engineers while building and blame
devil when the building collapses.
That's why faith in God replaces building pillars
and when it collapses we blame it on Lucifer.
That's why our Pastors are making sure they
plant Church branches instead of schools on
every street in Nigeria.
That's why we always wait for God to do for us
that which ability would've accomplished.
That's why we want our teachers to labour on
earth and go to heaven for their rewards.
Nigeria is a prayer loving, God fearing nation.
Religion has taken the place of technology,
infrastructure, education etc.
When travelling, we ignore all the necessary road
requirements, servicing of our vehicles and pray.
And, once we pray, we can put a half serviceable
vehicles on the road and blame our step mothers
or mothers in law if anything goes wrong.
That's why there are more people dying on our
roads than wild animals in the forest.

this post should be pinned on every thread

Being true to pure logic both atheists and believers are fools. Because they have patterned their lives on assumptions, you can't prove God's existence nor can you prove his non-existence. What you can do is to prove that people's ideas of God are untrue. So if you were to prove Christianity to be false, Islam to be false or any other religion. You still could not rule out God, and other religions would spring forth. Agnostics are the only people who are true to pure logic, everyone else decides based on personal experiences. Hardmirror is an atheist because he 'found' out how many pastors fake miracles. Winner01 is a Christian because God makes most sense to him/her but both do not have unquestionable proof even the ScienceWatch dude who always claims of the verifiable miracles of SCOAN.

ScienceWatch:
This is a very good topic for all church-goers because we are easily fooled by them.

I too was thoroughly fooled until I carefully examined Emmanuel TV. Then finally the TRUTH about John 14:12 hit me like a sledge-hammer.

Here is what the mighty Jesus Christ is saying to all pastors in John 14:12.

"Truly, Truly, I say to you, He that believes me, the miracles/ WORKS that I do will you also do; and greater (more) miracles/WORKS than these shall you do; because I must soon go unto my Father.

Today, we are blessed to have the evidence of Jesus’ WORKS Biblically and scientifically verified in the Holy Scoan Church Nigeria and on Emmanuel TV.

A pastor, minister, evangelist will be know by their WORKS so that fake pastors can be separated from the real pastors. The wheat is separated from the chaff.

Only the WORKS bear witness of a real pastor, not their elaborate speeches, conferences and motivational speeches.

What are these WORKS that Jesus always refer to ?
They are the miracles, prophecy, signs and wonders. Jesus also instructs all pastors, ministers, evangelists to do the same. Jesus says to them,”As my father sent me, so send I you.”

apparently Oyedepo thinks TB Joshua is fake, what do you think about this? http://www.charismamag.com/spirit/devotionals/daily-breakthroughs?view=article&id=758:church-leaders-still-at-odds-over-credibility-of-faith-healer-tb-joshua&catid=154

iambliss:


Another angry bird who can't argue objectively. Bitter critics who have nothing special to show for their so called superior knowledge of all issues. I am blessed and you can't touch that.

please answer the question [/b] [b]what special blessing has come to you that eludes others who don't pay tithe?

bezimo:


Nope, you are the one getting it wrong, tithe was before the law because Abraham tithed, Jacob tithed. Jesus mentioned that tithing should also be practiced as well as the other ordinances of justice and fairness.

In Hebrews its stated that the men who die receive tithe here(referring to the priest here) but in heaven it is also received by Jesus. So when Christians pay their tithe here, it is also recorded and received in heaven.

Stop confusing and twisting scriptures to mislead folks.Scriptures is clear.Take it or leave it.
After all nobody is forcing you to tithe!

Ultimately, Hebrews 7 is not at all about tithing, but is about Jesus being a superior High Priest. Nevertheless, this text is often brought up in connection with Genesis 14:18-20 to defend the practice of tithing in churches today. It is argued that Abraham gave a tenth of his income to Melchizedek, and that since Melchizidek is a “type” of Jesus, then Abraham, and all descendants of Abraham, whether physical descendants by blood or spiritual descendants by faith, must also tithe to Jesus. A pastor who teaches the passage this way will argue that we give our tithe to Jesus by giving it to the priestly representative, which in our day is the pastor or the church.

But notice that this is not at all what these Scriptures are saying or teaching.

First, nowhere is there a command in either text for subsequent generations to follow the example of Abraham. In both Scriptures, Abraham’s tithe to Melchizedek is described, but not prescribed.But secondly, we have even missed what the text says about Abraham’s tithe. Genesis 14 implies what Hebrews 7 makes explicitly clear: Abraham gave a tenth of the spoils of war to Melchizedek. This was not a tenth of Abraham’s possessions, nor was it a tenth of Abraham’s annual income, nor was it even a regular offering which Abraham made to the local priest. This was a one-time gift from possessions which Abraham had just captured in war, the remainder of which, he returned to their original owners, the kings and people of Sodom and Gomorrah

ScienceWatch:
Why do you think that ?
Have you not heard ? "Dont throw your pearls to the swine."

Take a year off to get a deeper understanding of this verse. the value is more than a degree.

well in Jesus'opinion nobody is 'swine' he died for everybody Gentile or Jew, atheist or believer

I would have no issue with it if many pastors had jets before becoming pastors and started their ministries whilst they were already rich but becoming rich just after starting ministry makes it seem as if you are feeding off of offerings and tithes.

ScienceWatch:
Here is a quick extract ; For Dawkins to ignore certain verifiable facts seems perverse at best.

the facts you state are mostly unverifiable outside of faith.

ScienceWatch:
Sorry, I would never want to win over Richard Dawkins. His insanity is already showing.

well as Christians we ought to want to win over everyone

ScienceWatch:
We all know you get real pastors and fake pastors, the ones that cant heal and deliver.
The anguish of trying to find the true God has ended.

Albert Einstein - did not believe in a personal God. A God that will heal and deliver. Although today he has been proven wrong by the overwhelming scientific evidence coming out of Scoan Church Nigeria. However, it is interesting how he arrived at that conclusion.
In developing the theory of relativity, Einstein realized that his mathematical equations led to the conclusion that the universe had a beginning.

Einstein didn't like the idea of a beginning of the universe, because he thought one would have to conclude that the universe was created by God. So, he added a cosmological constant to his mathemathical equation to attempt to get rid of the evidence of a beginning.

He said this was one of the worst mistakes of his life. So, although Einstein was not a Christian, he had great respect for Jesus, and recognized that He was an amazing figure in history. Personally having grown up as an atheist in a non-religious home, Einstein initially saw Jesus as a brilliant teacher when I read the gospels for the first time at age 32.

If we wont worship the creator God,, we are atheists. Don’t be confused with the many fancy titles created, they all mean the same thing in the end.

Now we have no more excuse for our dark ignorance of how the spirit realm on both the dark side and the light side operate in human life, thanks to Emmanuel TV.
It is frightening to hear all the personal testimonies of people that have suffered because of stepping into the dark side.
Can one escape the vicious spiritual traps laid for millions of innocent people by fake pastors, competing religions, cruel governments and science ?
Emmanuel TV provide the most biblical and scientifically verifiable evidence of the highest spiritual TRUTH of the existence of a creator God. to the world 24 HRS A DAY. Now you too can escape into true light.

If it was verifiable you could have won Richard Dawkins over to Christianity

My suspicion lies on the fact that these miracles are done on the people of basic mental aptitude. If this was done to the Buffets and Hawkins of this world it would be very hard to dismiss because those people would make sure it was a miracle and not a magic trick by doing a thorough investigation.

Rolling is in fashion. 2 weeks ago it was Helen Oritjesafor on the rug as well