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According to Briegel, who earned 72 caps for West Germany and won the 1980 European Championship with his country, Pep's dominant, possession-based style of play has essentially brainwashed the entire country into believing that this is the only way to play football.

All these I have been saying here for decades.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/2806608-manchester-citys-pep-guardiola-blamed-for-germanys-international-struggles.amp.html

When I said it here that pep style of play affected German team seeing that most of the national team players are from Bayern which is the biggest club on the land but raumdeuter nor go understand cos he think about stat only in football.


Click the link to see what I am talking about.

About Thomas muller, I said pep destroyed that guy with his philosophy seeing that Muller is a direct player.

It's worth pointing out the national team's slide started after Guardiola left the Bundesliga and that the Germans built their 2014 World Cup-winning team around a core of Bayern (seven) and Borussia Dortmund (four) players. Thomas Muller, Toni Kroos and Philipp Lahm were among the top standouts in that tournament.

I can not even place pep in that bracket. I will even pick mourhino before pep when talking about great coaches. To me, pep is overrated until he do something extra ordinary with not so great team. SAF did something extraordinary with Man U by grooming most of the players he used from 1999, although he had English FA backings, same with others except pep who always have luxuries in a formidable team.

raumdeuter:
It doesn't make any sense as we expect of posts from you

Klopp won the CL with less signings than Pep so he is better

Can we extend this to Dimatteo

Dimatteo won the CL with no signing at all. So should he be the best of all time?

Like I aid you don’t know what the argument is all about. Currently, Klopp is ahead of pep so calling klopp 2nd tier coach is ridiculous.

raumdeuter:
So an interim boss Dimatteo won the CL within 3-4months of appointment without any purchase with a team that finished 6th in the league

Why is he not better than Klopp who broke transfer records to win the same CL after multiple seasons

Go read my argument from start you will know why

Melvyn11:
Yes Di Mateo an average coach won the Champions league without having to break any transfer record solidify my stance on Klopp being a tier 2 coach who over achieved after Breaking the transfer record twice. Your problem is you can't admit the fact that Klopp spent money to achieve the success he has at Liverpool now because that will make you an hypocrite.

Pep overhaul team to achieve epl trophy. Was that the initial argument? Klopp is better than pep seeing that the former has transformed more more average players to world class than the later. You calling klopp a tier 2 manager is what spack this argument and now you are bringing Di mateo.

Melvyn11:
Did Di Mateo break any transfer record? All Klopp needed to do was break the transfer record twice at Liverpool before he could win anything.

We are discussing pep and klopp you are bringing Di Mateo. Didn’t that show you are loosing the argument already. Di Mateo don’t need to break transfer record because he was an interim boss.

airmark:
He has the most expensive squad and no Ucl to show for it.

If Chelsea have City's team B, Lampard will be so happy right now.

Man city b team is better than Chelsea first team and someone want me to eulogize pep.

Melvyn11:
And without the Two marque signings would he have done that? Now you bring me back to me initial assessment of kloop. A tier2 Coach who broke the transfer record to win the Champions League . I mean Di matteao didn't need to break any record before he won it so what are saying?

Did Di Mateo transform any average player to world class but klopp did. Klopp has transformed so many average players to world class, using them to win trophies and making finals in prestigious cups, these are one of the criteria to know a world class coach. Whereas, pep is not known for this, he needed ten players before he can use chelsea to win epl, a local trophy. Klopp didn’t need to do marque signings in all position before he can win ucl, unlike pep before he was able to win epl.

Melvyn11:
Gbam Klopp Liverpool was average untill he opened his cheque and spent like a cheque book manager which yielded him a Trophy True or false..!

Signing two good players which some persons saw as gamble is not regarded as Cheque book but overhauling a team is.

Melvyn11:
Finally we are going somewhere. So you agree if not for Klopp spending big on players he need he wouldn't have won shittt at Liverpool?

Pep spent on big players as well, he should win ucl with the overhauled man city team. Klopp didn’t overhaul Liverpool, he did just two marque signings and went on to winning the most prestigious cup in club football. His left back and right back were from nowhere.

airmark:
Fraudiola will always have his defence destroyed by a well-organised team, solid in defence and decent in attack.

'What is tackle' master will continue to spend or bring Messi before he wins Ucl.

Exactly. He is a conformist, he is not a unique coach as his ass lickers want us to believe.

Melvyn11:
He knows what am looking for and he is just Acting Smart

You are not saying anything Mr, rather trying to talk down klopp achievement to defend pep who is also guilty of breaking a transfer record.

Melvyn11:
I really Hope it's not the Liverpool that nearly won the league under Rodgers and went to the Champions League you are talking about. You are just going up and down in cycles. What I asked is simply straight forward before klopp broke the transfer record twice did he win a spoon at Liverpool? Yes or No

I don’t need to say yes or no because the question you are asking doesn’t hold water. Pep broke transfer record as at last season so I don’t know how that have anything to do with the fact that pep overhauled man city and still winning local trophies, whereas, klopp did two marque signings, which most people here saw as gamble and it paid off, he went on to win ucl.

Melvyn11:
What you saying is not backed up by facts. Before klopp broke the transfer record twice he didn't win a spoon at Liverpool then after he did suddenly he won a trophy. So in essence if klopp had not spend he would still be trophyless..... correct?

What is not fact in what I wrote? That pep have not won ucl without Messi or that he didn’t overhaul man city.

airmark:


He even went to Argentina last season looking for the new Messi to sign.

Fraudiola without Messi in Europe, is like a generator without oil.

I like pep tactics but he is overrated. Klopp is the real deal, that guy is just denying the fact due to sentiment. We should all learn to say the truth irrespective of the love we have for a particular coach or player. I don’t like mourhino’s tactics but the man is a great tactician because of what he has done with underdogs. Pep is a conformist and he is very good at it due to the club luxuries he has coached in his career, he is not a unique coach.

Melvyn11:
What you saying is not backed up by facts. Before klopp broke the transfer record twice he didn't win a spoon at Liverpool then after he did suddenly he won a trophy. So in essence if klopp had not spend he would still be trophyless..... correct?

That was because Liverpool were having an average team. They were not even qualifying for ucl when klopp took over and were not an epl title contender either unlike man city who were ucl semi finalist and were epl contenders. Within the space of three seasons klopp transformed Liverpool. Give it to klopp already, haba. You love pep fine, you shouldn’t be allowing sentiment to becloud your sense of reasoning, be logical please, you are a man.

Melvyn11:
Please answer my question regarding the post you quoted.
Am I correct

As at last season, the most expensive lb and rb were in man city, whereas klopp brought Arnold and Robertson from nowhere. pep has broken transfer records too so what you are saying doesn’t hold water. Klopp didn’t overhaul Liverpool with marque signings to be winning local trophies.

Melvyn11:
So in essence what you are saying is Klopp won nothing at Liverpool until he broke transfer record twice and without spending he would have won 0 Trophies. Am I correct?

What I am saying in essence is that klopp didn’t need to overhaul a team before he won ucl or doesn’t need Messi to win ucl.

Melvyn11:
How do you determine a better coaching skills if it doesn't translate to winning trophies? If Ferguson didn't win trophies on a regularly basis will he be rated as highly as his? Klopp winning trophies once every 10 years with an underdog does not elevate his status from tier2 when compared to people who won trophies for over a decade consistently.

You are saying another thing Mr. Pep won those trophies as a result of the big clubs he has handle since he came to limelight.

Melvyn11:
My point still stands. Klopp has not shown he can coach the biggest teams and Manage players with egos who have won all in football. Most Coaches have been successfully with lesser clubs and failed woo fully when giving the chance to manage a big club.

Which player with ego Pep don coach? Messi and the likes at Barca were quality players who were still hungry for success with no ego. Same pep was not able to coach egoistic players who have won it all, example Eto and Ibra. So what you are saying doesn’t have anything to do with been a great coach or not.

Melvyn11:
I never said Pep is the greatest manager of all time, Mourinho is my Favourite. You called pep a cheque book manager and klopp the savior of football who doesn't spend. So I am just curious to know his record and trophies he won at Liverpool before breaking transfer records not once but twice. Give me an answer then we proceed.

Klopp came to average Liverpool, took them to Europa final, the next season signed Dijk from Southampton who was a gamble to many then and went on to ucl final and lost to Madrid, due to goalkeeper error and Salah injury. The following season he signed Allison and the rest was history. Whereas, pep overhaul man city team and did marque signings in so many positions before he can win Epl.

Melvyn11:
Klopp has not shown he can coach the biggest teams and Manage players with egos who have won all in football. Telling Messi/Ronaldo to run, press,Track back is different from the telling Mane/Salah.

Are you aware Klopp has a great personality when it comes to player to coach relationship. Messi or cr7 will gladly run for klopp, seeing that klopp’s tactics is exciting and athletic which mostly cr7 would love to be part of.

Are you aware klopp has great personality than pep when it comes to coach to player relationship. So

Melvyn11:
4 trophies in 18yrs of coaching does not get you a tier1 status. I said he Is a tier two manager who broke transfer records to win the Champions league.

So trophies make him tier two manager, not his coaching skills. Are you aware to be consistent in winning trophies you need a formidable team which pep have been enjoying since he came to limelight.

Melvyn11:
Klopp finally won something at Liverpool after breaking transfer records not once but twice and suddenly gets compared to an all time great lol.
Klopp is Decent 2nd tier manager at best that can get a club on a small budget to perform above their expectations.
His titles with Dortmund were great achievements no doubt but he's not the first manager to win trophies with unfancied teams and won't be the last.

You are contradicting yourself. Same you said he broke transfer record to win ucl same you is saying he is a tier two manager. For you to even call klopp a tier 2 manager shows you don’t know football. He didn’t just win titles with Dortmund he transformed most of the players to world class. His squad at Dortmund were hot in the transfer market then.

Melvyn11:
2 League titles, a domestic cup and a champions league for Klopp in a 18 year managerial career. Daddy ko daddy ni

Klopp is his Daddy. Klopp turn average and prospect Dortmund to ucl finalist, won Bayern Liga. Turn so many of the players into world class. Came to Liverpool and he is doing same, already won ucl title by making two marque signings, and have been competing for epl titles since he came to England. Whereas, pep has been fortunate to coach Barcelona, Bayern Munich and now man city, he had to overhaul man city before he can win epl, same man city that we’re ucl semi finalist before he was appointed, but conte won epl with Moses and Alonso. Same pep that said chelsea need ten new players before they can win epl. If that is not a Chequers book manager talk then what it is then.

Ibime:
Most expensive squads

pep aka check book manager, only him squad reach billion.

Cc: raumdeuter

obainojazz:
I can't believe Dayo posted that.. Neymar that gets injured in training is who will survive in epl.. Neymar had a very good season at Barça when they won the treble.. Since then, he has not been that good jare..

Thank you jare. Just one good season he had which Messi made possible by assisting 85% of Neymar’s goal and we nor hear word again.

obainojazz:
Your gif even showed Sterling decided to showboat...

When a team is leading 3 goals to 1 what do you expect. These are one off thing from sterling unlike Neymar that play around even while the team is looking for a goal.

Neymar1095:
Nigga sit down madrid never made an offer to buy your deadwood. Your logic are always stupid.

Oh I just realize I’m chatting with an I diot

Neymar1095:
You are daft that's why you can't read. Real Madrid never went for Alonso keep shut. Just see the date self Slowpoke. The fool was taking begging lessons from Hazard. Your Alonso has become a deadwood Chelsea fans want to be shipped away

If Real Madrid were not interested why would Alonso be talking about it. Same way you guys were saying Hazard was begging Real Madrid to sign him when in reality Real Madrid president have been doing underground work to get the Belgian all these years.

Neymar1095:
You are a dummy. Atletico pulled out of a deal just this summer and Madrid never put an offer for Alonso. I dare you to show me and bring a respectable site not fuckingggg Metro you slowpoke. Your Alonso is finished.

Show me where athletico Madrid pulled of the deal because Alonso is slow. M u g u.