Hiswordxray:
Happy Sunday

Yes a wonderful Sunday

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Happy Sunday beloved of God

Yes, another wonderful Sunday

Hiswordxray:
Happy Sunday beloved of God

Yes, it's a wonderful Sunday

Hiswordxray:

Still on

Happy Sunday everyone

Hiswordxray:

Still on

Happy Sunday everyone

Hiswordxray:

Still on

Happy Sunday everyone

Happy Sunday beloved of God

Kobojunkie:
Wait for a second... are you saying that eventually, I will STOP being devoted to following Jesus Christ but instead choose to follow after the words of men too?
When does the word of Jesus Christ seize to be enough?
When does the guidance of the Spirit of God, who seems to have taken over from my own spirit, become inadequate for this walk of mine?
How will I know when to finally ditch Him to begin to walk the path that you now walk, according to the words of men?

Are you somehow older than John the apostle who wrote the following in his letter to all believers:

He seemed to be echoing Jesus Christ's own message


The words of others in scripture can mislead one. That is why it needs to be cross-checked against the words of Jesus Christ, the actual truth, and the word of God.
To help me understand what?
Are you implying the very Spirit of God, the one who lived in Jesus Christ Himself, is somehow incapable of teaching me all things that I need to learn in this relationship I have with God?

My dear, every Christian claim they are following Jesus. Heresy hides under the name of Jesus. Everybody claim their teaching, biases, and tradition of man came from Jesus and not man. So you are not the first and you won't be the last.

"And the judgment is based on this fact: God’s light came into the world, but people loved the darkness more than the light, for their actions were evil. All who do evil hate the light and refuse to go near it for fear their sins will be exposed." (John 3:19-20).

If you are not afraid of the light then come out let's both have an honest conversation. Stop hiding behind the name of Jesus and just come out.

I don't know why you are scared. I am not here to arm you, my goal is not to ridicule you and make you look like a fool. I am a fellow brother seeking fellowship in the light. So come into the light with me let's fellowship. Otherwise continue to hide yourself, claiming you are in the light — self-deception.

"This is the message we heard from Jesus and now declare to you: God is light, and there is no darkness in him at all. So we are lying if we say we have fellowship with God but go on living in spiritual darkness; we are not practicing the truth. But if we are living in the light, as God is in the light, then we have fellowship with each other." (1John 1:5-7).

BenYeshua:


the result I'm talking about is different from the kind of result those one you mention can produce. I'm talking about results like Renewal of the mind, improved payer life, improved love for the things of God and miracles happening through my hands. I also fell in love with the Spirit of the Living God and I have an understanding that I'm created to partner with the Holy Spirit to establish the kingdom of God in every sphere of life I found myself. I don't just live for myself, I live for the kingdom. All these happened when I started hearing his messages. I dont think a Necromancer can produce that kind of result sir.

Wow, that's wonderful. I glorify God for your life. And indeed, only God deserves all the glory. We ministers are just mere servants. That we may decrease so that Christ might increase. Only God is worthy;

"Aren’t you living like people of the world? 4 When one of you says, “I am a follower of Paul,” and another says, “I follow Apollos,” aren’t you acting just like people of the world?

5 After all, who is Apollos? Who is Paul? We are only God’s servants through whom you believed the Good News. Each of us did the work the Lord gave us. 6 I planted the seed in your hearts, and Apollos watered it, but it was God who made it grow. 7 It’s not important who does the planting, or who does the watering. What’s important is that God makes the seed grow. 8 The one who plants and the one who waters work together with the same purpose. And both will be rewarded for their own hard work. 9 For we are both God’s workers. And you are God’s field. You are God’s building.

10 Because of God’s grace to me, I have laid the foundation like an expert builder. Now others are building on it. But whoever is building on this foundation must be very careful. 11 For no one can lay any foundation other than the one we already have—Jesus Christ.

12 Anyone who builds on that foundation may use a variety of materials—gold, silver, jewels, wood, hay, or straw. 13 But on the judgment day, fire will reveal what kind of work each builder has done. The fire will show if a person’s work has any value...

21 No one, then, should boast about what human beings can do. Actually everything belongs to you: 22 Paul, Apollos, and Peter; this world, life and death, the present and the future—all these are yours, 23 and you belong to Christ, and Christ belongs to God." (1Cor 3:4-13, 21-23).

BenYeshua:
wow!! this is the first time I have seen anyone criticize the adorable man of God. I love Apostle and I truly believe he is a true man of God. This man has results and i'm a living testimony.

Witch doctor also have results and there are many living testimonies to it.

The occult have results, and those in it have their own testimonies.

Blood money also have result.

Witchcraft have results.

Mediums and Necromancer have result and King Saul was a testimony of it.

Should I continue to go on?

Kobojunkie:

I did give you an answer

Is a law not a Covenant?

We are two different people, you have your own theology and I have mine. If we are to meet and discuss then we must come to an agreement. And from there we can now start moving from one agreement to another. That is fellowship. But if you refuse to come to that first point of agreement with me, and all you want to do is to throw out scattered words. Then there is no way we can make any progress in our discussion.

Kobojunkie:
I already did that.

Is Jesus not the new Covenant?
Are those blessings not Jesus own words?
Are the curses not Jesus Christ's own words?
Are the verses i postee not Jesus Christ words recorded?
Are the claims He made not valid in some way? Was He mistaken in some way or was I for posting words recorded as His?

I don't think you are ready to know the truth.

When your heart is truly turn to the Lord, and when you are ready to know the truth, then you can come back and give me the yes or no answer I am asking for. Otherwise we can't go anywhere like this.

Kobojunkie:

Are you afraid to give a yes or no answer?

Let's start from the simple before we start dealing with what a covenant is. Let's first deal with, "what is the law"

So I ask again:

Is the commandments, blessings and curse, all part of the Law, yes or no?

Kobojunkie:
i didn't create it. I found it right there in the book as we all have.
Actually, it was God that revealed the pattern to me. I am simply showing you what has always been there in front of you and everyone who claims to be of God.

Don't worry, you will see how you have added your own biase into Jesus' word. Then you will understand why we must be slow to condemn other people's teachings, because we are all guilty one way or the other.

Just give me a yes or no answer to the question I asked and we would move from there.

Kobojunkie:
Moses did not come with commandments, he was told to write down God's commandments(Exodus 17) and that is what He did.
The same God that gave moses what He wrote is the same God that we worship today, and it is not illogical to see how He maintains the same pattern when dealing out Covenants to His creation, or is it?

Yes, every word that Jesus Christ spoke constitutes the details of the New Covenant that is Jesus Christ, the word of God.
A Law/Covenant is a contract between God and His creation. The Old covenant was rhe agreement between the nation of Israel and God as their King.
The New Covenant, Jesus Christ, is God's agreement with man. And yes it stipulates the details of the worship/service between the Master and His servants. The blessings associated with obedience and curses that result in the case of disobedience, the rewards, the promise, the expectations from both, etc.

I just need a yes or no answer.

Is the commandments, blessings and curse, all part of the Law, yes or no?

ThothHermes:
Because you already have your preconceptions.

Besides the fact that he is a wonderful preacher, Joshua Selman also has results. Amazing results.

John 14:11

In fact, during that time I received high recommendation about him. People were talking about how good a preacher he is. I didn't even know him well enough to have a preconception about it. I just discovered that his message doesn't click with my spirit. I just cannot connect with it, it was just tasteless and empty to me. Till today I still struggling to listen to his message, it's just empty.

Hiswordxray:

Yes, it's another weekend

Still on

Hiswordxray:

Yes, it's another weekend

Still on

Hiswordxray:

Yes, it's another weekend

Still on

Kobojunkie:
This is Jesus Christ calling on all those who will come to take on His yoke(The covenant with it's about 46 commandments), and the burden(this is one's own life and no others)

He instructs you to LEARN FROM HIM, not from men but from His person!
The following are some of the blessings associated with the New Covenant that is Jesus Christ

Next are some of the curses associated with the New Covenant that is Jesus Christ



The commandments are contained in all that Jesus taught.

you have created another version of the Old Testament. You really have no idea what the New Testament is. Anyway, answer my question first, let's see if you will be ready to receive light.

Kobojunkie:
Projecting Moses? I am not sure what you mean by "You are projecting Moses into Jesus".
The law of Moses was given to Moses by the same God who decided to send His own word directly to Man through Jesus Christ. Jesus is God's own new Covenant.


Actually it does have laws/commandments for every follower of Jesus Christ to Obey. It has nothing to do with teachings and doctrines of men, but the word of God. Why did Jesus Christ state that those who love Him are those who obey His commandments? And why did John the apostle state the following ?


Anyways, if you read the book of Matthew, beginning from Chapter 5, you will run into what we typically call the Beatitudes. Those are some of the blessings associated with the New Covenant, that is Jesus Christ. Next, you meet commandments that Jesus Christ expects all those who are His followers to obey. Continue to read until about Matthew 23 vs 13-27 where you are bound to run into some of the curses/woes associated with disobedience of the commandments of Jesus Christ, the New Covenant, and read on until you find the words, "It is finished" as this is where the content of the New Covenant that is Jesus Christ is concluded. And don't miss Matthew 25 vs 31 -46 where you find details on who will actually get into Heaven among those who follow Him and who will not.
Even John the apostle told all those who beleieve in Jesus Christ to let the Spirit of God be their only teacher. Same as Jesus Christ told His own that the Spirit of God would be their helper, counselor, lead/guide, comforter.




He said we would do more WORKS than He did. Not that we would re-define the covenant He came to establish with us, after His death. A covenant is a contract. If it is was not ratified by Jesus Christ Himself, how can it have been valid for those who lived during the time of Jesus and after? The Covenant is not fluid. It is unchanging from and the Seal of the Covenant, The SPirit of God, would not change the Contract that is Jesus Christ.

We can get back to this after you have updated yourself on the New Covenant please!

You are projecting Moses into Jesus by trying to understand Jesus from the story of Moses. It should rather be the other way round. Because Moses came with commandments, blessings and curses, you therefore conclude Jesus would be the same.

Let me ask you this question, is the commandments, the blessings and curses all part of the Law or not?

What exactly does the Old Testament mean when it says "The Law", does it include the commandments, the blessings and curses?

babajeje123:
I don't know why my mind has not been in agreement with him. I have a couple of his messages on my laptop but each time I listen, something is not just clicking. Time will reveal all things.

I have been experiencing the same thing. I have never been able to listen to his message from start to finish. It just doesn't click

Kobojunkie:

I didn't say i only know the Jesus Christ in the Bible.
Sure He is, and through His Spirit living inside of all who follow Him, He affirms the truth of His teaching, the same teachings as recorded in the Bible.

Historical bread? Oh, i think you misunderstand what ia written in the gospels. The gospel teachings of Jesus Christ is the New Covenant that is Jesus Christ. His teachings are in fact the commandments, blessings, curses, entry requirements, definition of the seal..all that define the Covenant that is the Life we now live in Jesus Christ as His followers. In other words, our contract agreement with Him and through Him to God.
That is why His teachings guide even the life we live today as it did the apostles, and even Jesus Himself before us.

You are guilty of the very thing you are fighting. You are deep into dogma. You are projecting Moses into Jesus. The New Covenant has no law, commandments, and all that Old Testament crap. Oh, there is so much about the New Testament you don't know. The New Testament is not about teachings and doctrines, it is about life. God has not bring us to the tree of knowledge of good and evil. He has brought us to the tree of life.

The teachings of Jesus was meant to give us a window about how this Life would look like when it is being express. It is not the comprehensive details of everything about the Life, it is only a window. Even Jesus said the things that he did, we would do greater works. There are more, yes much more. Jesus only came to show us a sample, a small piece of that big and endless bread.

A bread that cannot be contained in any box. No one can measure the length, brenth, height, and depth of this bread. It is exceedingly, abundantly above. No book can contain it, even if you gather all the books in this world it would not be enough. This transcendent bread now lives in us. It is the life by which you live.

To assume that Jesus teaching is the whole of that bread is to try to box that transcendent bread. This is exactly the same thing men have been trying to do. All their efforts to contain the bread into a box. It cannot be contained, they have all fail, and you will also fail if you try contain this bread. Jesus knew that it cannot be contained so he only gave us a piece in his teachings. And through his death on the cross he would bring the whole of the bread to come live inside of us.

Kobojunkie:

But Jesus Christ said Himself that He is our only teacher, so yes, it is about following the teachings of Jesus Christ, our only teacher.

John the apostle verified this when he asserted that all followers should stick to being taught by the Spirit of God who lives inside of all those who belong to Jesus Christ. He, the Spirit of truth, teaches us the truth of Jesus Christ too.


To live by the teachings that the Life(Jesus Christ) already taught us. Yes! So it is His truth we ought to validate all we hear against.

You are living by letters my dear. You are depending on what you read in a book. That is not life, that is letters. How are you sure those letters have not been corrupted through history?

How are you sure those things you read in the books of the gospel are actually Jesus teachings?

How are you sure they have not been uttered?

Do you know what the Bible was in the hands of the Roman Catholic? It was there power, their tool for control and manipulation, their weapon. It should not be surprising that they have actually uttered a lot in it.

God knows how manipulative man can be, that is why he made the New Covenant not dependent on letters. He said he would write his laws in our hearts. He gave us the Spirit that guide us into all truths, the Spirit that enables us to discern truth from lies. And then he gave us gifted men to equip us to become awakened to that written law in us, to be dependent on that indwelling law rather than the letter, to be awakened to the fellowship of the Spirit that guides us into all truths.

"And he has appointed some with grace to be apostles, and some with grace to be prophets, and some with grace to be evangelists, and some with grace to be pastors, and some with grace to be teachers. Their responsibility is to equip God’s people to do his work and build up the church, the body of Christ. This will continue until we all come to such unity in our faith and knowledge of God’s Son that we will be mature in the Lord, measuring up to the full and complete standard of Christ. Then we will no longer be immature like children. We won’t be tossed and blown about by every wind of new teaching. We will not be influenced when people try to trick us with lies so clever they sound like the truth." (Eph 4:11-14).

Kobojunkie:

I am the type that validates everything I read against what Jesus Christ said because Jesus Christ is the Truth of God. The Spirit of God is the Spirit of Truth.
The words of humans are simply that, the words of men...opinions, biases, doctrines that requiire validation against the Truth of God.
Since man shall not live by bread alone but by every word that comes out of the MOUTH OF GOD( Jesus Christ being the embodiment of the word) it makes sense to crosscheck it all and trash that which is not truth.

Oh, you only know the Jesus in the Bible. You don't know the Jesus that is alive right now in you. My dear, Jesus is not dead. He didn't speak one time in history and disappeared only never to speak again. He is the living word, ever speaking unending. Knowing the historical Jesus of the Bible is a good start, but we must know the Jesus of now!

We are to live by the bread of life, the heavenly manna. And manna is a daily meal. You cannot use yesterday manna for today's meal. Jesus taught us to pray, "give us this day our daily bread". He didn't say give us the historical bread that was documented in scripture. We need daily bread, we need God speaking to us daily, we need the Jesus that is currently living us now, feeding us anew with fresh bread daily.

Kobojunkie:
where did Jesus Christ specify one?

Christianity is never about following a teaching. To assume that is to operate under the same dead mentality that those dogmatic Christians have. Yes, dogma is dogma, whether you are dogmatic about Jesus teaching or about someone else teaching, it is still dogma.

God has not called us to live by teachings, he has called us to live by his Life. Jesus has to give all those teachings because they have not yet received the life. But the mom we receive the life, we no longer need anybody to teach us what to do. The only teaching that we need is how to live by the Life

Hiswordxray:

Okay, I understand now. You are the type that believe only Jesus teaching is authoritative. Paul and the rest are wrong

I should probably share the page just before the one I just shared. Then you will understand your own biases

Kobojunkie:
where did Jesus Christ specify one?

Okay, I understand now. You are the type that believe only Jesus teaching is authoritative. Paul and the rest are wrong

Kobojunkie:
The one's you subscribe to especially as far as the assume roles and freedoms of men and women. It was all i could see, no matter how far i read
Jesus Christ never suggested any of them, not did He tell us to keep to those even after becoming like children in order to enter His kingdom.

Funny thing is 300 years from now, many of those traditions and cultural biases will no longer be, but the word of God, Jesus Christ will continue to thrive.

Anyway, I never said those gender roles are the Christian doctrine. Otherwise you want to projet things into what I actually wrote.

Jesus said give to Ceasar what belongs to Ceasar. Everything I wrote about gender is based on that rule—leave it the way it was created, preserve the distinction.

The Christian life is beyond religion, God has called us to reconcile all things to himself. When he created these things there was an original purpose and structure he gave to them, and the plan of the devil is to pervert everything. However, our work is to reconcile all this back into alignment with the reality in God. It is a mystic mandate, one that only sons of God could understand or achieve.

Anyway, I can see you have a long way to learn. However, you have the Spirit that guides you into all truths. Submit to this Spirit more earnestly and you will be shocked with the kind of things you will learn.

Kobojunkie:
The one's you subscribe to especially as far as the assume roles and freedoms of men and women. It was all i could see, no matter how far i read
Jesus Christ never suggested any of them, not did He tell us to keep to those even after becoming like children in order to enter His kingdom.

Funny thing is 300 years from now, many of those traditions and cultural biases will no longer be, but the word of God, Jesus Christ will continue to thrive.

So according to you there is no gender role?

Here is an excerpt from the book

Kobojunkie:

Christisnity comes to us from Jesus Christ with NO traditions and NO biases attached i.e. no doctrines and traditions of men as Jesus Christ said all that will do is render our worship meaningless in addition to nullifying the power of God in our lives, which is what we see happened after the time of the first Christians. Doctrines and traditions and rules of men came in and nullified the power of God, rendering Christianity no more powerful than the average beliefs out there.

Jesus Christ commanded that we all shed our traditional and cultural ways of processing the things of God if we want to enter His kingdom when He said we should become like children. Only those who become like children can enter His kungdom so what place do these opinions,biases all based on doctrines and traditions of men, have ?

And which traditions and biases did you see in that book?