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Re: Growing In The Prophetic As A Normal Christian by Hiswordxray(m): 11:34am On Jul 03
Kobojunkie:


I read the excerpt and I am not sure I get the message at all.
There was, a whole lot of, what i believe has nothing to do with that which Jesus Christ actually taught, in the way, making it hard for the beginnimg message to properly flow through to me, the reader .
Hmmm, and what might that be?
Re: Growing In The Prophetic As A Normal Christian by Kobojunkie: 3:53pm On Jul 03
Hiswordxray:

Hmmm, and what might that be?
well, particularly your opinions and biases, a likely result of cultural ideals you still hold to. They are not about God but people have them and they tend to differ from culture to culture so they cannot be termed truths and hence not of God, but solely of man.
Re: Growing In The Prophetic As A Normal Christian by Hiswordxray(m): 4:48pm On Jul 03
Kobojunkie:
well, particularly your opinions and biases, a likely result of cultural ideals you still hold to. They are not about God but people have them and they tend to differ from culture to culture so they cannot be termed truths and hence not of God, but solely of man.
First, I want you to know that I am well learned when it comes to Christianity. I have studied its history and traditions very well and I know its biases. With the discernment that comes with an intimate walk with God I have been able to deduce which is truth and which isn't.

But anyway, it seems you are on a path, and it will be wrong for me to interrupt the process. Whatever that path may be, my advice to you is that; be careful you are walking on this path with God. Keep a close relationship with him, involve him in everything and surely you will come to the truth. But if you are journeying all by yourself and thinking you are wise in your own understanding, I would refer you to this scripture;

"You can rationalize it all you want and justify the path of error you have chosen, but you’ll find out in the end that you took the road to destruction." (Pro 14:12).
Re: Growing In The Prophetic As A Normal Christian by Kobojunkie: 5:18pm On Jul 03
Hiswordxray:

First, I want you to know that I am well learned when it comes to Christianity. I have studied its history and traditions very well and I know its biases. With the discernment that comes with an intimate walk with God I have been able to deduce which is truth and which isn't.

But anyway, it seems you are on a path, and it will be wrong for me to interrupt the process. Whatever that path may be, my advice to you is that; be careful you are walking on this path with God. Keep a close relationship with him, involve him in everything and surely you will come to the truth. But if you are journeying all by yourself and thinking you are wise in your own understanding, I would refer you to this scripture;

"You can rationalize it all you want and justify the path of error you have chosen, but you’ll find out in the end that you took the road to destruction." (Pro 14:12).
Christisnity comes to us from Jesus Christ with NO traditions and NO biases attached i.e. no doctrines and traditions of men as Jesus Christ said all that will do is render our worship meaningless in addition to nullifying the power of God in our lives, which is what we see happened after the time of the first Christians. Doctrines and traditions and rules of men came in and nullified the power of God, rendering Christianity no more powerful than the average beliefs out there.

Jesus Christ commanded that we all shed our traditional and cultural ways of processing the things of God if we want to enter His kingdom when He said we should become like children. Only those who become like children can enter His kungdom so what place do these opinions,biases all based on doctrines and traditions of men, have ?
Re: Growing In The Prophetic As A Normal Christian by Hiswordxray(m): 8:49pm On Jul 03
Kobojunkie:

Christisnity comes to us from Jesus Christ with NO traditions and NO biases attached i.e. no doctrines and traditions of men as Jesus Christ said all that will do is render our worship meaningless in addition to nullifying the power of God in our lives, which is what we see happened after the time of the first Christians. Doctrines and traditions and rules of men came in and nullified the power of God, rendering Christianity no more powerful than the average beliefs out there.

Jesus Christ commanded that we all shed our traditional and cultural ways of processing the things of God if we want to enter His kingdom when He said we should become like children. Only those who become like children can enter His kungdom so what place do these opinions,biases all based on doctrines and traditions of men, have ?
And which traditions and biases did you see in that book?
Re: Growing In The Prophetic As A Normal Christian by Kobojunkie: 8:53pm On Jul 03
Hiswordxray:

And which traditions and biases did you see in that book?
The one's you subscribe to especially as far as the assume roles and freedoms of men and women. It was all i could see, no matter how far i read
Jesus Christ never suggested any of them, not did He tell us to keep to those even after becoming like children in order to enter His kingdom.

Funny thing is 300 years from now, many of those traditions and cultural biases will no longer be, but the word of God, Jesus Christ will continue to thrive.
Re: Growing In The Prophetic As A Normal Christian by Hiswordxray(m): 8:57pm On Jul 03
Here is an excerpt from the book

Re: Growing In The Prophetic As A Normal Christian by Hiswordxray(m): 9:00pm On Jul 03
Kobojunkie:
The one's you subscribe to especially as far as the assume roles and freedoms of men and women. It was all i could see, no matter how far i read
Jesus Christ never suggested any of them, not did He tell us to keep to those even after becoming like children in order to enter His kingdom.

Funny thing is 300 years from now, many of those traditions and cultural biases will no longer be, but the word of God, Jesus Christ will continue to thrive.
So according to you there is no gender role?
Re: Growing In The Prophetic As A Normal Christian by Kobojunkie: 9:04pm On Jul 03
Hiswordxray:

So according to you there is no gender role?
where did Jesus Christ specify one? undecided
Re: Growing In The Prophetic As A Normal Christian by Hiswordxray(m): 9:10pm On Jul 03
Kobojunkie:
The one's you subscribe to especially as far as the assume roles and freedoms of men and women. It was all i could see, no matter how far i read
Jesus Christ never suggested any of them, not did He tell us to keep to those even after becoming like children in order to enter His kingdom.

Funny thing is 300 years from now, many of those traditions and cultural biases will no longer be, but the word of God, Jesus Christ will continue to thrive.
Anyway, I never said those gender roles are the Christian doctrine. Otherwise you want to projet things into what I actually wrote.

Jesus said give to Ceasar what belongs to Ceasar. Everything I wrote about gender is based on that rule—leave it the way it was created, preserve the distinction.

The Christian life is beyond religion, God has called us to reconcile all things to himself. When he created these things there was an original purpose and structure he gave to them, and the plan of the devil is to pervert everything. However, our work is to reconcile all this back into alignment with the reality in God. It is a mystic mandate, one that only sons of God could understand or achieve.

Anyway, I can see you have a long way to learn. However, you have the Spirit that guides you into all truths. Submit to this Spirit more earnestly and you will be shocked with the kind of things you will learn.
Re: Growing In The Prophetic As A Normal Christian by Hiswordxray(m): 9:12pm On Jul 03
Kobojunkie:
where did Jesus Christ specify one? undecided
Okay, I understand now. You are the type that believe only Jesus teaching is authoritative. Paul and the rest are wrong
Re: Growing In The Prophetic As A Normal Christian by Hiswordxray(m): 9:15pm On Jul 03
Hiswordxray:

Okay, I understand now. You are the type that believe only Jesus teaching is authoritative. Paul and the rest are wrong
I should probably share the page just before the one I just shared. Then you will understand your own biases

Re: Growing In The Prophetic As A Normal Christian by Kobojunkie: 9:17pm On Jul 03
Hiswordxray:

Okay, I understand now. You are the type that believe only Jesus teaching is authoritative. Paul and the rest are wrong
I am the type that validates everything I read against what Jesus Christ said because Jesus Christ is the Truth of God. The Spirit of God is the Spirit of Truth.
The words of humans are simply that, the words of men...opinions, biases, doctrines that requiire validation against the Truth of God.
Since man shall not live by bread alone but by every word that comes out of the MOUTH OF GOD( Jesus Christ being the embodiment of the word) it makes sense to crosscheck it all and trash that which is not truth.
Re: Growing In The Prophetic As A Normal Christian by Hiswordxray(m): 9:20pm On Jul 03
Kobojunkie:
where did Jesus Christ specify one? undecided
Christianity is never about following a teaching. To assume that is to operate under the same dead mentality that those dogmatic Christians have. Yes, dogma is dogma, whether you are dogmatic about Jesus teaching or about someone else teaching, it is still dogma.

God has not called us to live by teachings, he has called us to live by his Life. Jesus has to give all those teachings because they have not yet received the life. But the mom we receive the life, we no longer need anybody to teach us what to do. The only teaching that we need is how to live by the Life
Re: Growing In The Prophetic As A Normal Christian by Kobojunkie: 9:27pm On Jul 03
Hiswordxray:

Christianity is never about following a teaching. To assume that is to operate under the same dead mentality that those dogmatic Christians have. Yes, dogma is dogma, whether you are dogmatic about Jesus teaching or about someone else teaching, it is still dogma.
But Jesus Christ said Himself that He is our only teacher, so yes, it is about following the teachings of Jesus Christ, our only teacher.

John the apostle verified this when he asserted that all followers should stick to being taught by the Spirit of God who lives inside of all those who belong to Jesus Christ. He, the Spirit of truth, teaches us the truth of Jesus Christ too.

Hiswordxray:

God has not called us to live by teachings, he has called us to live by his Life. Jesus has to give all those teachings because they have not yet received the life. But the mom we receive the life, we no longer need anybody to teach us what to do. The only teaching that we need is how to live by the Life
To live by the teachings that the Life(Jesus Christ) already taught us. Yes! So it is His truth we ought to validate all we hear against.
Re: Growing In The Prophetic As A Normal Christian by Hiswordxray(m): 9:28pm On Jul 03
Kobojunkie:

I am the type that validates everything I read against what Jesus Christ said because Jesus Christ is the Truth of God. The Spirit of God is the Spirit of Truth.
The words of humans are simply that, the words of men...opinions, biases, doctrines that requiire validation against the Truth of God.
Since man shall not live by bread alone but by every word that comes out of the MOUTH OF GOD( Jesus Christ being the embodiment of the word) it makes sense to crosscheck it all and trash that which is not truth.

Oh, you only know the Jesus in the Bible. You don't know the Jesus that is alive right now in you. My dear, Jesus is not dead. He didn't speak one time in history and disappeared only never to speak again. He is the living word, ever speaking unending. Knowing the historical Jesus of the Bible is a good start, but we must know the Jesus of now!

We are to live by the bread of life, the heavenly manna. And manna is a daily meal. You cannot use yesterday manna for today's meal. Jesus taught us to pray, "give us this day our daily bread". He didn't say give us the historical bread that was documented in scripture. We need daily bread, we need God speaking to us daily, we need the Jesus that is currently living us now, feeding us anew with fresh bread daily.

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Re: Growing In The Prophetic As A Normal Christian by Kobojunkie: 9:37pm On Jul 03
Hiswordxray:

Oh, you only know the Jesus in the Bible. You don't know the Jesus that is alive right now in you. My dear, Jesus is not dead. He didn't speak one time in history and disappeared only never to speak again. He is the living word, ever speaking unending. Knowing the historical Jesus of the Bible is a good start, but we must know the Jesus of now!
I didn't say i only know the Jesus Christ in the Bible. undecided
Sure He is, and through His Spirit living inside of all who follow Him, He affirms the truth of His teaching, the same teachings as recorded in the Bible.
Hiswordxray:

We are to live by the bread of life, the heavenly manna. And manna is a daily meal. You cannot use yesterday manna for today's meal. Jesus taught us to pray, "give us this day our daily bread". He didn't say give us the historical bread that was documented in scripture. We need daily bread, we need God speaking to us daily, we need the Jesus that is currently living us now, feeding us anew with fresh bread daily.
Historical bread? Oh, i think you misunderstand what ia written in the gospels. The gospel teachings of Jesus Christ is the New Covenant that is Jesus Christ. His teachings are in fact the commandments, blessings, curses, entry requirements, definition of the seal..all that define the Covenant that is the Life we now live in Jesus Christ as His followers. In other words, our contract agreement with Him and through Him to God.
That is why His teachings guide even the life we live today as it did the apostles, and even Jesus Himself before us.
Re: Growing In The Prophetic As A Normal Christian by Hiswordxray(m): 9:41pm On Jul 03
Kobojunkie:

But Jesus Christ said Himself that He is our only teacher, so yes, it is about following the teachings of Jesus Christ, our only teacher.

John the apostle verified this when he asserted that all followers should stick to being taught by the Spirit of God who lives inside of all those who belong to Jesus Christ. He, the Spirit of truth, teaches us the truth of Jesus Christ too.


To live by the teachings that the Life(Jesus Christ) already taught us. Yes! So it is His truth we ought to validate all we hear against.
You are living by letters my dear. You are depending on what you read in a book. That is not life, that is letters. How are you sure those letters have not been corrupted through history?

How are you sure those things you read in the books of the gospel are actually Jesus teachings?

How are you sure they have not been uttered?

Do you know what the Bible was in the hands of the Roman Catholic? It was there power, their tool for control and manipulation, their weapon. It should not be surprising that they have actually uttered a lot in it.

God knows how manipulative man can be, that is why he made the New Covenant not dependent on letters. He said he would write his laws in our hearts. He gave us the Spirit that guide us into all truths, the Spirit that enables us to discern truth from lies. And then he gave us gifted men to equip us to become awakened to that written law in us, to be dependent on that indwelling law rather than the letter, to be awakened to the fellowship of the Spirit that guides us into all truths.

"And he has appointed some with grace to be apostles, and some with grace to be prophets, and some with grace to be evangelists, and some with grace to be pastors, and some with grace to be teachers. Their responsibility is to equip God’s people to do his work and build up the church, the body of Christ. This will continue until we all come to such unity in our faith and knowledge of God’s Son that we will be mature in the Lord, measuring up to the full and complete standard of Christ. Then we will no longer be immature like children. We won’t be tossed and blown about by every wind of new teaching. We will not be influenced when people try to trick us with lies so clever they sound like the truth." (Eph 4:11-14).
Re: Growing In The Prophetic As A Normal Christian by Hiswordxray(m): 9:55pm On Jul 03
Kobojunkie:

I didn't say i only know the Jesus Christ in the Bible. undecided
Sure He is, and through His Spirit living inside of all who follow Him, He affirms the truth of His teaching, the same teachings as recorded in the Bible.

Historical bread? Oh, i think you misunderstand what ia written in the gospels. The gospel teachings of Jesus Christ is the New Covenant that is Jesus Christ. His teachings are in fact the commandments, blessings, curses, entry requirements, definition of the seal..all that define the Covenant that is the Life we now live in Jesus Christ as His followers. In other words, our contract agreement with Him and through Him to God.
That is why His teachings guide even the life we live today as it did the apostles, and even Jesus Himself before us.
You are guilty of the very thing you are fighting. You are deep into dogma. You are projecting Moses into Jesus. The New Covenant has no law, commandments, and all that Old Testament crap. Oh, there is so much about the New Testament you don't know. The New Testament is not about teachings and doctrines, it is about life. God has not bring us to the tree of knowledge of good and evil. He has brought us to the tree of life.

The teachings of Jesus was meant to give us a window about how this Life would look like when it is being express. It is not the comprehensive details of everything about the Life, it is only a window. Even Jesus said the things that he did, we would do greater works. There are more, yes much more. Jesus only came to show us a sample, a small piece of that big and endless bread.

A bread that cannot be contained in any box. No one can measure the length, brenth, height, and depth of this bread. It is exceedingly, abundantly above. No book can contain it, even if you gather all the books in this world it would not be enough. This transcendent bread now lives in us. It is the life by which you live.

To assume that Jesus teaching is the whole of that bread is to try to box that transcendent bread. This is exactly the same thing men have been trying to do. All their efforts to contain the bread into a box. It cannot be contained, they have all fail, and you will also fail if you try contain this bread. Jesus knew that it cannot be contained so he only gave us a piece in his teachings. And through his death on the cross he would bring the whole of the bread to come live inside of us.
Re: Growing In The Prophetic As A Normal Christian by Kobojunkie: 3:54am On Jul 04
Hiswordxray:

You are living by letters my dear. You are depending on what you read in a book. That is not life, that is letters. How are you sure those letters have not been corrupted through history?
How are you sure those things you read in the books of the gospel are actually Jesus teachings?
How are you sure they have not been uttered?
This is a question of do you trust God or do you not, right? undecided
Hiswordxray:

Do you know what the Bible was in the hands of the Roman Catholic? It was there power, their tool for control and manipulation, their weapon. It should not be surprising that they have actually uttered a lot in it.
Of course it should not! undecided So, Should we not then Trust an Almighty God is competent enough to ensure the veracity of His own word, not the words of men recorded in scripture, but His own? undecided
Hiswordxray:

God knows how manipulative man can be, that is why he made the New Covenant not dependent on letters. He said he would write his laws in our hearts. He gave us the Spirit that guide us into all truths, the Spirit that enables us to discern truth from lies. And then he gave us gifted men to equip us to become awakened to that written law in us, to be dependent on that indwelling law rather than the letter, to be awakened to the fellowship of the Spirit that guides us into all truths.
Wait a second.... if you are not even certain of the authenticity of God's word, how do you know that the bit about Him giving us a Spirit is even true, to begin with? undecided
If you cannot take the word of Jesus Christ Himself that He is the only teacher you ever need, and you cannot trust His own apostles who tell you to seek no other teacher except the Spirit of God who Jesus Christ will give you when you obey His word and become born again, How then can you trust the words of anything that God has to say? undecided
If you cannot believe the word of God, how can you believe anything that is written that He supposedly said? And again, I am not talking of the other words that do not come from the Mouth of God Himself as declared in the book? undecided
How can you trust the so-called gifted men if you cannot even trust His word that His Spirit is all you need and not so-called gifted men?
Hiswordxray:
"And he has appointed some with grace to be apostles, and some with grace to be prophets, and some with grace to be evangelists, and some with grace to be pastors, and some with grace to be teachers. Their responsibility is to equip God’s people to do his work and build up the church, the body of Christ. This will continue until we all come to such unity in our faith and knowledge of God’s Son that we will be mature in the Lord, measuring up to the full and complete standard of Christ. Then we will no longer be immature like children. We won’t be tossed and blown about by every wind of new teaching. We will not be influenced when people try to trick us with lies so clever they sound like the truth." (Eph 4:11-14).
Oh, you won't trust the word of God but you will believe the words of men who claim that He has appointed some over you? undecided
Didn't the same Catholic church even have its hands on even Paul's letters that you take as truth?undecided
Why do you believe the utterances of a man over the word of your own God then given the circumstances? undecided
And worst of all, you believe the writings in a letter more than even Bible scholars are not even sure were Paul's writing, yet you boast of it telling you of so-called gifted men yet you refuse the New Covenant that is Jesus Christ? undecided
Re: Growing In The Prophetic As A Normal Christian by Kobojunkie: 4:10am On Jul 04
Hiswordxray:
You are guilty of the very thing you are fighting. You are deep into dogma. You are projecting Moses into Jesus.
Projecting Moses? I am not sure what you mean by "You are projecting Moses into Jesus".
The law of Moses was given to Moses by the same God who decided to send His own word directly to Man through Jesus Christ. Jesus is God's own new Covenant.

Jeremiah 31 vs 31-34 (ERV)
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31. “Behold, the days are coming, declares the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and the house of Judah, 32. not like the covenant that I made with their fathers on the day when I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt, my covenant that they broke, though I was their husband, declares the Lord.
33. For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, declares the Lord: I will put my law within them, and I will write it on their hearts. And I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
34. And no longer shall each one teach his neighbor and each his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’ for they shall all know me, from the least of them to the greatest, declares the Lord. For I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.”

Hiswordxray:
The New Covenant has no law, commandments, and all that Old Testament crap. Oh, there is so much about the New Testament you don't know. The New Testament is not about teachings and doctrines, it is about life. God has not bring us to the tree of knowledge of good and evil. He has brought us to the tree of life.
Actually it does have laws/commandments for every follower of Jesus Christ to Obey. It has nothing to do with teachings and doctrines of men, but the word of God. Why did Jesus Christ state that those who love Him are those who obey His commandments? And why did John the apostle state the following ?

1 John 2 vs 3-6
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3. If we obey what God has told us to do, then we are sure that we know him.
4. If we say we know God but do not obey his commands, we are lying. The truth is not in us.
5. But when we obey God’s teaching, his love is truly working in us. This is how we know that we are living in him.
6. If we say we live in God, we must live the way Jesus lived.

Anyways, if you read the book of Matthew, beginning from Chapter 5, you will run into what we typically call the Beatitudes. Those are some of the blessings associated with the New Covenant, that is Jesus Christ. Next, you meet commandments that Jesus Christ expects all those who are His followers to obey. Continue to read until about Matthew 23 vs 13-27 where you are bound to run into some of the curses/woes associated with disobedience of the commandments of Jesus Christ, the New Covenant, and read on until you find the words, "It is finished" as this is where the content of the New Covenant that is Jesus Christ is concluded. And don't miss Matthew 25 vs 31 -46 where you find details on who will actually get into Heaven among those who follow Him and who will not.
Even John the apostle told all those who beleieve in Jesus Christ to let the Spirit of God be their only teacher. Same as Jesus Christ told His own that the Spirit of God would be their helper, counselor, lead/guide, comforter.

1 John 3 vs 20-27 (ERV)
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20. You have the gift[a] that the Holy One[b] gave you. So you all know the truth.
21. Do you think I am writing this letter because you don’t know the truth? No, I am writing because you do know the truth. And you know that no lie comes from the truth.
22. So who is the liar? It is the one who says Jesus is not the Messiah. Whoever says that is the enemy of Christ—the one who does not believe in the Father or in his Son.
23. Whoever does not believe in the Son does not have the Father, but whoever accepts the Son has the Father too.

24. Be sure that you continue to follow the teaching you heard from the beginning. If you do that, you will always be in the Son and in the Father.
25. And this is what the Son promised us—eternal life.

26. I am writing this letter about those who are trying to lead you into the wrong way.
27. Christ gave you a special gift. You still have this gift in you. So you don’t need anyone to teach you. The gift he gave you teaches you about everything. It is a true gift, not a false one. So continue to live in Christ, as his gift taught you.


Matthew 23 vs 8-12
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8. But you are not to be called rabbi, for you have one teacher, and you are all brothers.[c]
9. And call no man your father on earth, for you have one Father, who is in heaven.
10. Neither be called instructors, for you have one instructor, the Christ.
11. The greatest among you shall be your servant.
12. Whoever exalts himself will be humbled, and whoever humbles himself will be exalted.

Hiswordxray:
The teachings of Jesus was meant to give us a window about how this Life would look like when it is being express. It is not the comprehensive details of everything about the Life, it is only a window. Even Jesus said the things that he did, we would do greater works. There are more, yes much more. Jesus only came to show us a sample, a small piece of that big and endless bread.
He said we would do more WORKS than He did. Not that we would re-define the covenant He came to establish with us, after His death. A covenant is a contract. If it is was not ratified by Jesus Christ Himself, how can it have been valid for those who lived during the time of Jesus and after? The Covenant is not fluid. It is unchanging from and the Seal of the Covenant, The SPirit of God, would not change the Contract that is Jesus Christ.

Hiswordxray:
A bread that cannot be contained in any box. No one can measure the length, brenth, height, and depth of this bread. It is exceedingly, abundantly above. No book can contain it, even if you gather all the books in this world it would not be enough. This transcendent bread now lives in us. It is the life by which you live.

To assume that Jesus teaching is the whole of that bread is to try to box that transcendent bread. This is exactly the same thing men have been trying to do. All their efforts to contain the bread into a box. It cannot be contained, they have all fail, and you will also fail if you try contain this bread. Jesus knew that it cannot be contained so he only gave us a piece in his teachings. And through his death on the cross he would bring the whole of the bread to come live inside of us.
We can get back to this after you have updated yourself on the New Covenant please!
Re: Growing In The Prophetic As A Normal Christian by Kobojunkie: 4:51am On Jul 04
This is Jesus Christ calling on all those who will come to take on His yoke(The covenant with it's about 46 commandments), and the burden(this is one's own life and no others)

Matthew 11 vs 27-30 (ESV)
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27. All things have been handed over to me by my Father, and no one knows the Son except the Father, and no one knows the Father except the Son and anyone to whom the Son chooses to reveal him.
28. Come to me, all who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
29. Take my yoke upon you, and learn from me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls.
30. For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.”
He instructs you to LEARN FROM HIM, not from men but from His person!
The following are some of the blessings associated with the New Covenant that is Jesus Christ

Matthew 5 vs 2-11 (ESV)
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2. And he opened his mouth and taught them, saying:
3. “Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
4. “Blessed are those who mourn, for they shall be comforted.
5. “Blessed are the meek, for they shall inherit the earth.
6. “Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness, for they shall be satisfied.
7. “Blessed are the merciful, for they shall receive mercy.
8. “Blessed are the pure in heart, for they shall see God.
9. “Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons[a] of God.
10. “Blessed are those who are persecuted for righteousness' sake, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
11. “Blessed are you when others revile you and persecute you and utter all kinds of evil against you falsely on my account. 12 Rejoice and be glad, for your reward is great in heaven, for so they persecuted the prophets who were before you.
Next are some of the curses associated with the New Covenant that is Jesus Christ


Matthew 23 vs 13-27
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13. “But woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you shut the kingdom of heaven in people's faces. For you neither enter yourselves nor allow those who would enter to go in.[d]
15. Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you travel across sea and land to make a single proselyte, and when he becomes a proselyte, you make him twice as much a child of hell[e] as yourselves.
16. “Woe to you, blind guides, who say, ‘If anyone swears by the temple, it is nothing, but if anyone swears by the gold of the temple, he is bound by his oath.’
17. You blind fools! For which is greater, the gold or the temple that has made the gold sacred?
18. And you say, ‘If anyone swears by the altar, it is nothing, but if anyone swears by the gift that is on the altar, he is bound by his oath.’ 19. You blind men! For which is greater, the gift or the altar that makes the gift sacred?
20. So whoever swears by the altar swears by it and by everything on it.
21. And whoever swears by the temple swears by it and by him who dwells in it.
22. And whoever swears by heaven swears by the throne of God and by him who sits upon it.
23. “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you tithe mint and dill and cumin, and have neglected the weightier matters of the law: justice and mercy and faithfulness. These you ought to have done, without neglecting the others.
24. You blind guides, straining out a gnat and swallowing a camel!
25. “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you clean the outside of the cup and the plate, but inside they are full of greed and self-indulgence.
26. You blind Pharisee! First clean the inside of the cup and the plate, that the outside also may be clean.
27. “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you are like whitewashed tombs, which outwardly appear beautiful, but within are full of dead people's bones and all uncleanness.
28. So you also outwardly appear righteous to others, but within you are full of hypocrisy and lawlessness.
29. “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you build the tombs of the prophets and decorate the monuments of the righteous,
30. saying, ‘If we had lived in the days of our fathers, we would not have taken part with them in shedding the blood of the prophets.’
31. Thus you witness against yourselves that you are sons of those who murdered the prophets.
32. Fill up, then, the measure of your fathers.
33. You serpents, you brood of vipers, how are you to escape being sentenced to hell?
34. Therefore I send you prophets and wise men and scribes, some of whom you will kill and crucify, and some you will flog in your synagogues and persecute from town to town,
35. so that on you may come all the righteous bloodshed on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah the son of Barachiah,[f] whom you murdered between the sanctuary and the altar.
36. Truly, I say to you, all these things will come upon this generation.

The commandments are contained in all that Jesus taught.
Re: Growing In The Prophetic As A Normal Christian by Kobojunkie: 4:54am On Jul 04
No one can become a follower of Jesus Christ simply by wishing for it. Jesus required that those who choose to follow Him do the work that He commands they first do.

1. Be prepared to abandon parents, brother, sister, children, spouse, in-laws, e.t.c.
2. Abandon all that you know/believe, have, and all that you are
3. Bear your own burden (not someone else's cross- not even your family's or children's)

Matthew 10 vs 34-39
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34. “Do not think that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace. I came to bring trouble.[h]
35. I have come to make this happen:
‘A son will turn against his father.
A daughter will turn against her mother.
A daughter-in-law will turn against her mother-in-law.
36. Even members of your own family will be your enemies.’
37. “Those who love their father or mother more than they love me are not worthy of me. And those who love their son or daughter more than they love me are not worthy of me.
38. Those who will not accept the cross that is given to them when they follow me are not worthy of me.
39. Those who try to keep the life they have will lose it. But those who give up their life for me will find true life.
4. Become a child again in your thinking and your actions

Matthew 14 vs 23-24
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23. Then he said, “The truth is, you must change your thinking and become like little children. If you don’t do this, you will never enter God’s kingdom.
24. The greatest person in God’s kingdom is the one who makes himself humble like this child.
5. Be prepared to lose life(reputation, career, control, property, etc.)

Matthew 16 vs 24-27
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24. Then Jesus said to his followers, “If any of you want to be my follower, you must stop thinking about yourself and what you want. You must be willing to carry the cross that is given to you for following me.
25. Any of you who try to save the life you have will lose it. But you who give up your life for me will find true life.
26. It is worth nothing for you to have the whole world if you yourself are lost. You could never pay enough to buy back your life.
27. The Son of Man will come again with his Father’s glory and with his angels. And he will reward everyone for what they have done.
6. Desire above all to find and enter the Kingdom of God and also walk the path of righteousness, with God as your guide every step
7. Let go of all control you have over your life and circumstances, allowing God to take care of your every need

Matthew 6 vs 31-34
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25. “So I tell you, don’t worry about the things you need to live—what you will eat, drink, or wear. Life is more important than food, and the body is more important than what you put on it.
26. Look at the birds. They don’t plant, harvest, or save food in barns, but your heavenly Father feeds them. Don’t you know you are worth much more than they are?
27. You cannot add any time to your life by worrying about it.
28. “And why do you worry about clothes? Look at the wildflowers in the field. See how they grow. They don’t work or make clothes for themselves.
29. But I tell you that even Solomon, the great and rich king, was not dressed as beautifully as one of these flowers.
30. If God makes what grows in the field so beautiful, what do you think he will do for you? It’s just grass—one day it’s alive, and the next day someone throws it into a fire. But God cares enough to make it beautiful. Surely he will do much more for you. Your faith is so small!
31. “Don’t worry and say, ‘What will we eat?’ or ‘What will we drink?’ or ‘What will we wear?’
32. That’s what those people who don’t know God are always thinking about. Don’t worry, because your Father in heaven knows that you need all these things.
33. What you should want most is God’s kingdom and doing what he wants you to do. Then he will give you all these other things you need.
34. So don’t worry about tomorrow. Each day has enough trouble of its own. Tomorrow will have its own worries.
Re: Growing In The Prophetic As A Normal Christian by Hiswordxray(m): 8:28am On Jul 04
Kobojunkie:
Projecting Moses? I am not sure what you mean by "You are projecting Moses into Jesus".
The law of Moses was given to Moses by the same God who decided to send His own word directly to Man through Jesus Christ. Jesus is God's own new Covenant.


Actually it does have laws/commandments for every follower of Jesus Christ to Obey. It has nothing to do with teachings and doctrines of men, but the word of God. Why did Jesus Christ state that those who love Him are those who obey His commandments? And why did John the apostle state the following ?


Anyways, if you read the book of Matthew, beginning from Chapter 5, you will run into what we typically call the Beatitudes. Those are some of the blessings associated with the New Covenant, that is Jesus Christ. Next, you meet commandments that Jesus Christ expects all those who are His followers to obey. Continue to read until about Matthew 23 vs 13-27 where you are bound to run into some of the curses/woes associated with disobedience of the commandments of Jesus Christ, the New Covenant, and read on until you find the words, "It is finished" as this is where the content of the New Covenant that is Jesus Christ is concluded. And don't miss Matthew 25 vs 31 -46 where you find details on who will actually get into Heaven among those who follow Him and who will not.
Even John the apostle told all those who beleieve in Jesus Christ to let the Spirit of God be their only teacher. Same as Jesus Christ told His own that the Spirit of God would be their helper, counselor, lead/guide, comforter.




He said we would do more WORKS than He did. Not that we would re-define the covenant He came to establish with us, after His death. A covenant is a contract. If it is was not ratified by Jesus Christ Himself, how can it have been valid for those who lived during the time of Jesus and after? The Covenant is not fluid. It is unchanging from and the Seal of the Covenant, The SPirit of God, would not change the Contract that is Jesus Christ.

We can get back to this after you have updated yourself on the New Covenant please!

You are projecting Moses into Jesus by trying to understand Jesus from the story of Moses. It should rather be the other way round. Because Moses came with commandments, blessings and curses, you therefore conclude Jesus would be the same.

Let me ask you this question, is the commandments, the blessings and curses all part of the Law or not?

What exactly does the Old Testament mean when it says "The Law", does it include the commandments, the blessings and curses?
Re: Growing In The Prophetic As A Normal Christian by Hiswordxray(m): 8:31am On Jul 04
Kobojunkie:
This is Jesus Christ calling on all those who will come to take on His yoke(The covenant with it's about 46 commandments), and the burden(this is one's own life and no others)

He instructs you to LEARN FROM HIM, not from men but from His person!
The following are some of the blessings associated with the New Covenant that is Jesus Christ

Next are some of the curses associated with the New Covenant that is Jesus Christ



The commandments are contained in all that Jesus taught.
grin you have created another version of the Old Testament. You really have no idea what the New Testament is. Anyway, answer my question first, let's see if you will be ready to receive light.
Re: Growing In The Prophetic As A Normal Christian by Kobojunkie: 2:09pm On Jul 04
Hiswordxray:

grin you have created another version of the Old Testament. You really have no idea what the New Testament is. Anyway, answer my question first, let's see if you will be ready to receive light.
i didn't create it. I found it right there in the book as we all have.
Actually, it was God that revealed the pattern to me. I am simply showing you what has always been there in front of you and everyone who claims to be of God.
Re: Growing In The Prophetic As A Normal Christian by Kobojunkie: 2:21pm On Jul 04
Hiswordxray:


You are projecting Moses into Jesus by trying to understand Jesus from the story of Moses. It should rather be the other way round. Because Moses came with commandments, blessings and curses, you therefore conclude Jesus would be the same.
Moses did not come with commandments, he was told to write down God's commandments(Exodus 17) and that is what He did.
The same God that gave moses what He wrote is the same God that we worship today, and it is not illogical to see how He maintains the same pattern when dealing out Covenants to His creation, or is it?

Hiswordxray:

Let me ask you this question, is the commandments, the blessings and curses all part of the Law or not?
Yes, every word that Jesus Christ spoke constitutes the details of the New Covenant that is Jesus Christ, the word of God.
Hiswordxray:

What exactly does the Old Testament mean when it says "The Law", does it include the commandments, the blessings and curses?
A Law/Covenant is a contract between God and His creation. The Old covenant was rhe agreement between the nation of Israel and God as their King.
The New Covenant, Jesus Christ, is God's agreement with man. And yes it stipulates the details of the worship/service between the Master and His servants. The blessings associated with obedience and curses that result in the case of disobedience, the rewards, the promise, the expectations from both, etc.
Re: Growing In The Prophetic As A Normal Christian by Finallydead: 3:41pm On Jul 04
Hiswordxray pls understand and be patient with our beloved brother kobojunkie. I perceive he's got the purest intentions. He wouldn't have anything less than our Lord's standard and is suspicious for any deviation. He's got the good zeal some of us have had when we began in the faith viz. to be truly devoted to our Lord.
But I perceive he is quite young in the faith and thinks the best way to go about it is to try to obey the letter especially Jesus' words, to the jot and tittle. He also seems to think the words of the others in scripture can even mislead.
So please help him understand that isn't exactly how we are to follow the Lord. For people like kobo, we have to skillfully use the letter to show him that the letter only tries to lead us to only follow the Spirit. Then maybe he would begin to see the need to follow only the Spirit and not the letter itself.

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Re: Growing In The Prophetic As A Normal Christian by Hiswordxray(m): 4:06pm On Jul 04
Kobojunkie:
Moses did not come with commandments, he was told to write down God's commandments(Exodus 17) and that is what He did.
The same God that gave moses what He wrote is the same God that we worship today, and it is not illogical to see how He maintains the same pattern when dealing out Covenants to His creation, or is it?

Yes, every word that Jesus Christ spoke constitutes the details of the New Covenant that is Jesus Christ, the word of God.
A Law/Covenant is a contract between God and His creation. The Old covenant was rhe agreement between the nation of Israel and God as their King.
The New Covenant, Jesus Christ, is God's agreement with man. And yes it stipulates the details of the worship/service between the Master and His servants. The blessings associated with obedience and curses that result in the case of disobedience, the rewards, the promise, the expectations from both, etc.

I just need a yes or no answer.

Is the commandments, blessings and curse, all part of the Law, yes or no?
Re: Growing In The Prophetic As A Normal Christian by Kobojunkie: 4:07pm On Jul 04
Hiswordxray:


I just need a yes or no answer.

Is the commandments, blessings and curse, all part of the Law, yes or no?

Kobojunkie:
Yes, every word that Jesus Christ spoke constitutes the details of the New Covenant that is Jesus Christ, the word of God.
A Law/Covenant is a contract between God and His creation. The Old covenant was rhe agreement between the nation of Israel and God as their King.
The New Covenant, Jesus Christ, is God's agreement with man. And yes it stipulates the details of the worship/service between the Master and His servants. The blessings associated with obedience and curses that result in the case of disobedience, the rewards, the promise, the expectations from both, etc.
Re: Growing In The Prophetic As A Normal Christian by Hiswordxray(m): 4:09pm On Jul 04
Kobojunkie:
i didn't create it. I found it right there in the book as we all have.
Actually, it was God that revealed the pattern to me. I am simply showing you what has always been there in front of you and everyone who claims to be of God.
Don't worry, you will see how you have added your own biase into Jesus' word. Then you will understand why we must be slow to condemn other people's teachings, because we are all guilty one way or the other.

Just give me a yes or no answer to the question I asked and we would move from there.
Re: Growing In The Prophetic As A Normal Christian by Hiswordxray(m): 4:12pm On Jul 04
Kobojunkie:


Are you afraid to give a yes or no answer?

Let's start from the simple before we start dealing with what a covenant is. Let's first deal with, "what is the law"

So I ask again:

Is the commandments, blessings and curse, all part of the Law, yes or no?

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