Kobojunkie:
The same Jesus Christ said the following to you

So, what do you teach? The exact teachings of Jesus Christ, just as I am doing right now, telling you exactly what I know Jesus Christ said.

How I approach them in much the same way I approach you right now, teaching you what Jesus Christ in fact says and commands of them. I am not their Teacher/trainer... no. I am simply a servant who is sent out to deliever a message to those to whom He sends me.

Bro, I am not asking you whether you are a servant or a mallam. I asked how do you teach those you are commanded to teach in your area. Jesus commandment is to go into. Those you go to in your area how to you teach them, by gathering or by scattering since you said Jesus never spoke of gathering.


But truly, it is obvious you don't know what Jesus meant when he said "make disciple". That is a word you first need to go and find out. It's obvious you don't know it's implication. An Israelite and also someone who read Greek will laugh at your explanation if he reads that same Jesus word and read your explanation.

Even English should let you know what it means by just reading it. Please do, it will help you much.

Myer:


Well, you're the one who professes to be like Christ, so you are not supposed to judge even if others do.

The only reason I said you were judgmental was simply cos you already concluded that I had not read the bible but reading it haphazardly.

Virtually every form of assertion can be attributed to judgment. But what makes it worse for Christians is that while Jesus clearly said do not judge for you will be judged, the bible also by itself already judged any one who does not believe in Jesus Christ as condemned already.

So as a Christian you can't help but judge non-Christians.

Also the worst is some Christians even judge other Christians that do not believe the same doctrines as they do. Which is why I said the very fact that you're a religious Christian makes you judgmental.

Anyway, I will no longer bother you concerning your spiritual gifts as it's obvious they are non-existent.
Even if you do not want to speak of your testimonies, others on your posts would have mentioned it having experienced divine healing or any other form of divine power through your posts. Apparently that's not the case.

You can try to deny it all you want but what is supposed to differentiate a Christian from just another religion are the spiritual gifts and fruit. Because every other religion has faith in their God or gods.

But the works a Christian faith produces are love and spiritual gifts.

Bro, you are the one judging yourself. Your conscience is in a race with you and catching up with you. I don't have to be the judge. Right inside you is the jury and the judge, you will do well to pay attention to it early enough before the cup gets full.

Myer:


I followed your discussion quite alright and in fact you still don't get his point. So clearly it's you who as I rightly asserted "are quite slow."

Apparently it's not only spiritual gifts you are lacking but also basic comprehension. I can't keep teaching you the elementary principles when you should be eating the meat by now.

The synoptic gospel are most unique in the whole texts of the bible because unlike the other books in the bible they are supposedly the express words of Jesus Christ as documented by his own disciples. Which was why I quoted the scripture where Jesus himself said no one has seen the Father at any point except him.

The point here being the other prophets and apostles could have wrongly expressed the inspiration of the Holy spirit but Jesus being the embodiment of and express image of God himself could not possibly have misinterpreted God's mind.

This point is very important for you to understand and stop arguing this very fact.
Because when other scriptures confuse you, the synoptic gospels remain how you can rightly divide the word of truth according to the word of Jesus Christ himself.

Instead of arguing blindly concerning this, your focus should not be to prove that there's nothing special in the words of Jesus compared to the other disciples but rather to help validate why the other books also play their part in helping build the Christian.

That said, I leave you with the words of Peter, "But Simon Peter answered Him, “Lord, to whom shall we go? You have the words of eternal life. 69 Also we have come to believe and know that You are the [a]Christ, the Son of the living God."

Bro, you are speaking out of context. State where you stand. Is Christ word different from that which the Apostle preached? Did the Apostle preached by themselves or by the holyghost. Stop dancing around and hiding behind christ being embodiment of God. Does this belittle the writings of the apostles?

A student of the Bible who can't even discern that Christ mostly spoke to unbelievers who couldn't even comprehend half of his teaching until the receiving of the spirit is in a long journey. And that's a path you are threading.

I will advise you stay on course and stop dancing around without a definite stand point.

Boomark:


Bro you quoted this out of context. With this anybody can open a church and teach whatever they want.

English Standard Version
You, however, have followed my teaching, my conduct, my aim in life, my faith, my patience, my love, my steadfastness,

Berean Study Bible
You, however, have observed my teaching, my conduct, my purpose, my faith, my patience, my love, my perseverance,

Berean Literal Bible
But you have closely followed my teaching, conduct, purpose, faith, patience, love, endurance,

King James Bible
But thou hast fully known my doctrine, manner of life, purpose, faith, longsuffering, charity, patience,

A teacher can ask his students, "have you been following my teaching or what am teaching?" His teachings/doctrines is not his own invention but the commandments of Christ.

Even things said by satan, Jezebel, Herod, Pharisees, etc are written in the scripture. You don't do the things they have said or did. Paul is free to give his own personal advice out of experience. The commandments of Christ supercedes all.

I told you to go back and read former discussion before concluding. Have you?

Likewise, doctrine and teaching as used by Paul in that verse means the samething in Bible context. If you have read properly my argument you would have seen that its clear that God inspired the scriptures but was penned down by men. They are product of men's commitment to God's work. It didn't just dropped in them. They gave their will to it. God's inspiration is seen in men's work. Same as the scriptures, the inspiration who is the holyghost moved men, he didn't move biro or pen but used men to write.

It takes nothing away from the fact that God inspired the scriptures but you must know it's men he used to write, that inspiration was on men. Hence the reason you will see, mens name used in context of the writer.

Law of God is called Law of Moses
Epistles are called letters of Paul, Peter etc.

They are the ones God used to write.

Paul's letters were not distributed as scriptures in their days, they were his letters, teaching, doctrine, his research from the scriptures. So stating that men leading men aren't part of God's plan is a track to error.

Golan007:


By scientific method.

How do people know there's heaven and hell?

What concerns heaven in the talk of Dinosaur?

Stay on topic or you have an unsettled issue at heart?

Kobojunkie:


1. Yes
2. He has never commanded me to gather people unto myself(set myself up as a teacher in my own right over them) so I teach to those He sends me to what He puts in my mind to preach of His teaching -exactly what He taught me - after which He sends me to the next "destination"

Pay attention well that Jesus said (teach). He used that word two times, in different form in these verses.

So how do you teach (train) those people (disciples).
You write them letter or they come to you or you go to them to teach/instruct?

How?

Kobojunkie:
My position is based solely on the fact that Jesus Christ never did command the so called " gathering unto God" that Christians world-wide engage in on a regular basis. I will not create a yoke for myself where none is given me by my God.

Jesus Christ never called His own to gather, to themselves, disciples of their own, in His name.

Bro i awaits o,

I really wants to know exactly what you are doing for Jesus and how you are doing it.

1. Are you making disciples in obedience to His words?
2. How are you making disciples without gathering with such?

Kobojunkie:
I am afraid you continue to confuse your beliefs for mine. You are the one here who believes that because the Word of God is written of the hands of men that implies it is nothing but the doctrines of men. I don't believe that!
So?

As for Matthew 28 vs 19. Jesus did instruct us to go into the world teaching the Gospel of the Kingdom of Heaven to all. So, what of that part of that commandment means or suggests to you that thereJesus Christ commands your "gatherings unto God"?

Are my teaching the Gospel of the Kingdom of Heaven as taught to me by Jesus Christ Himself? Yes

How are my making disciples without gathering them? Wait a second... You think Jesus Christ sanctioned you to "gather" to yourself disciples of your own? Really?

When Jesus Christ previously sent His disciples out into the surrounding country, did He also tell them to "gather" unto themselves disciples of their own?

I asked two simple questions, please provide answers. That will give direction to this discussion.
You didnt answer it above, please do now.

I state them again

Is Mathew 28:19 not Jesus commandment again.

So,

1. Are you making disciples in obedience to His words?
2. How are you making disciples without gathering with such?

This shouldn't be hard. Please answer.

Myer:


Lol he even scolded them in your own bible?

Like I said earlier, you already have all it takes to be a fine politician.
Well, I'll take your posts as your testimony. Shikena

You could easily have made it easy for yourself by just being honest but spiritual pride will not kill you. I hope you said a big amen to that.

Have a good night.

Read your statement below.

You could easily have made it easy for yourself by just being honest JUDGEMENT
spiritual pride will not kill you JUDGEMENT
already have all it takes to be a fine politician. JUDGEMENT


I choose to point to your straws above since you claimed you are being judged.
You could see that the reason you complained of being judged, felt unease and started throwing straws was because you are full of judgement.

AMEN
I tried to big the Amen o but e no gree big...

Myer:


You're quite slow.

That men wrote down the words of Jesus makes them man's doctrines?
You're beginning to sound like one who simply argues for argument sake.

Even a babe in the faith knows the words of Jesus Christ scripturally can't be compared to the words of any of the old prophets or apostles. After all, no one has seen God at any point except Christ.

In your typical mode of blind arguments instead of just letting Kobojunkie see why other books are also important you've succeeded in calling the doctrines Christ taught simply no different from man's doctrines.

At this point, it is pointless to engage you any further. You simply argue off-point.

I thought your lack of not reading properly and in context is only affected from your study of the scriptures, i never knew, even normal conversation you cant read in context. I hope this is not how you read letters when they are written to you.

Dont be too fast to jump into a conclusion, read through thread, post that were made along the discussions.

Kobojunkie says only the word of Jesus in the bible is valid at least for NT, that other instructions there (NT) arent expect directly commanded by Jesus, He says that the practices in epistles arent valid because they are words of men but not of God. Does that sound as scriptures to you.

If Epistles are words of men as said by Kobojunkie, because they are spoken and written by men, the words of Jesus he is reading was it dropped from heaven. Was it not men's instrument that God used to give us the same scriptures?

You no dey read properly at all and i have told you its affecting you.

The inspired scriptures (by the Holyghost), was put down by men used of God to do the same. Selecting part and refusing others is denying the inspiration of books together. Men are used by the Holyghost, let that ring well in your ears.

2 Timothy 3:10 “But thou hast fully known my doctrine...

That is a man, hence his doctrine becomes a scripture because the inspiration behind those words was the Holyghost. Hence, men are the vessels.
Its only someone who lacks honor for what and who God used that will neglect men who wrote the scriptures and then he will spite the scriptures.

I hope you get this well now.

Boomark:


Bro you are very wrong here. Those who gather people to teach them the doctrines of men have no regard for Christ. We will assume that maybe you don't know the difference between doctrines of men and commandment of Christ.

Matthew 15:8-9
King James Version
8 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.

9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

Commandments of men=doctrines of men.

The heart of such worshippers is focused on man made doctrines. That is why they rush to defend their church or pastor forgetting that it is Christ above all. They will stand against a Lazarus of today and throw away what Christ taught in Luke 16:19-31. In their heart, they feel they are doing the right thing but they are far from Christ.

If you must gather people you must not be selfish.

It will be good you read through my former discussion on this thread with Kobojunkie, with that you will get clarity on what and why i wrote that. There is no where here that we are speaking about selfishness or not. The discussion focused on whether the scriptures instructed a gathering of believers, whether the gathering of Christian is God's desire or not. Let us stay on the cause of discussion.

Should believers gather, this is the discussion.

Kobojunkie:
I never said any of that. You came up with that line of reasoning all of your own and so I asked if you believe that what you read in that book is indeed all man to you.

I said over and over that I accept(trust) and obey the teachings of Jesus Christ which is what I believe the Word of God as recorded in that book is. Now, when you suggest that it is all man's doctrines to you, that is all you and not me.

I pointed it out to you that the scriptures in your hand that you read, the very word of Jesus you read are documented by man. They are man's doctrine Sir. God used man to speak to you. Get that right. The commanded of Jesus you speak about, was it not given to you by man?

Secondly. You said you obey and trust Jesus commandment.

Is Mathew 28:19 not Jesus commandment again.

So,

1. Are you making disciples in obedience to His words?
2. How are you making disciples without gathering with such?

Myer:


I showed you Jesus when he addressed Jonh's disciples.

You didn't read Jesus word properly Sir.

Matthew 11:4
4 Jesus answered and said unto them, Go and shew John again those things which ye do hear and see:

He wasn't giving testimony.

Read the bold again.
They heard and saw. So you will do the hearing and seeing, hence start going from one church to another and spectate so as to gather your conviction.
. In fact if you read properly you will know that Jesus was actually scolding John and his disciples.

So, if you want to be as John's disciples go on the streets of men and start investigating and looking for the power of God so as to be convinced.

No where is the miracle worker giving PR of His miracles. Not even Paul or Peter or any of the apostles. No such practice. Such PR is left for the unbelievers.

Kobojunkie:
Oh, I see! So everything you read in the book, you believe is all man and not God then?

You are the one who called it word of man not me, you said we arent to read scriptures, abi? So what then are we to read? Word of Jesus? Do you even know what that means? That is Study of Genesis to Malachi at the least.

But i asked you, were they all not written by men? Did God drop a verse from heaven? When you remove the activities of men and how God uses men for men to achieve his will, you will end up looking for wonder writings. Because scriptures were written by men, yet God's inspiration.

Bro, go find a place to gather and get better.

Kobojunkie:
All you have done is show me that you are very versed at twisting what is written to mean and say what you want - doctrines and traditions of men which Jesus Christ warned His followers not to put their trust in. And that is fine for you but not for me.

Jesus Christ never said to "use" Scripture. No, instead He called His followers to ACCEPT(Trust) and Obey His Word.

Haaaaaa, I thought the issue is even from gathering alone, Haaaaa. Not use scriptures too?
Bro, you comedi me.

You quoted scriptures and yet you have no instructions to use scriptures?

So this your doctrine of God is from who? written by who? same men you refused to follow? or it was dropped from heaven to your feet? Bro, let learning start please. Drop this, go find a place and gather, you even need it more now. Please do.

Kobojunkie:
ROFLMAO!!!


So in your mind, Jesus Christ's commandment that we teach the Gospel of the Kingdom of Heaven to those in the world, means Jesus Christ's teachings endorse your "gathering unto God" and fellowshipping in your churches and your "church leadership"? I really don't know what else I can say after reading this mangled-up "sense" you have presented here. The very fact that you ended up needing to write a long epistle in order to try to convince yourself of it speaks volumes as to the "truthiness" of what you have presented here.

Anyways, you are not alone in your attempts at twisting the words of Jesus Christ to mean what it does not say and you will likely not be the last to do this. You are free to believe what you want to, as am I. Goodluck!

Bro, this is strawman, a strawman, cease from this, a bible student dont throw straws like Pharisee.
Dont go about making statement that negate what the scriptures teaches and then throw straws when challenged. Learn to use scriptures, well you dont have any to use in this case.

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I first asked you for a scriptures, A SINGLE SCRIPTURE, in all the 31,102 verses of the bible, you have no single one to quote from and defend the error you stated.

Secondly, You claimed to follow Jesus but neglect his practices and practices that are loud in the scriptures. You are wrong Bro, change your ways and change it fast.

I have shown you examples all through the scriptures, gathering, gathering, gathering, gathering, gathering, gathering, ..........
What else do you want to see? Christ commandments? He has already spoken to you in what i typed, take it and change your ways.

Kobojunkie:

Please try to follow along!

So, I am not sure why you feel your "gathering unto God" is of God when God Himself never said so. Rather than continuing to believe what you are told to by men through their many doctrines and tradition(lies), why not instead invest your time and effort into actually learning what Jesus Christ wants of you and putting that into action instead.

I am not sure you are ready to to answer the question as the answer doesnt exist. So, we can conclude firstly, that there is no SINGLE instruction on not gathering or believers not to gathering or discouraging of spiritual authorities. You have NO SINGLE SCRIPTURES. This is clear.

Now,
When you start paying attention to the commandments of Jesus you counted, you will realized that in them are woven the system of people gathering together for one purpose. I know you have issues using Epistles as instructions to believers, so i will start with you in OT writings and 4 Gospels and we will still arrive the same points that you will neglect from the Epistles. The epistles only practiced what they saw in their master (Jesus).

Like i told you early, gathering unto God are instructions from the very first book of the bible to the last.

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I will give you one case here:

What does Matthew 28:19-21 teaches?

Matthew 28:19-21
19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”

Can you explain what making disciples mean? And likewise look into the practices of discipleship in the scriptures from OT till NT.

Moses had disciples, they gathered.
Elijah had, they gathered
David had, they gathered,

Jesus had, they gathered,
Paul had, they gathered.

The word disciple is from the word mathēteuō (from mathētēs). I will give you how its used.

Note that it was used over 200 times in the 4 gospels, and the reason should be obvious to you.

Mat 5:1 And seeing the multitudes, he went up into a mountain: and when he was set, his disciples came unto him: A GATHERING
Mat 8:23 And when he was entered into a ship, his disciples followed him. A GATHERING
Mat 9:10 And it came to pass, as Jesus sat at meat in the house, behold, many publicans and sinners came and sat down with him and his disciples.
Luk 22:45 And when he rose up from prayer, and was come to his disciples, he found them sleeping for sorrow, THEY ARE ALWASY WITH HIM


1. A key aspect of discipleship is gathering, coming together, sitting at the feet (Mary did to Jesus, Paul to Gamalius). You will see this all through the scriptures. A basic essence of training.

2. Another key aspect that stemmed from the first is they are always with you. A disciple, learner is always around or have a good time around his discipler. A key ingredient to learning.
Moses - Joshua, Elijah - Elisha, Elisha - Gehazi, Jesus - the 12, Paul - Timothy, etc.

The moment this presence is missing there is no discipleship. Discipleship is a personal touch not a show of knowledge. It is pouring out your wholeself into another person. You cant achieve such without constant coming together.

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Again Observe Matthew 28:19 ---make disciples of all nations

Who is to make disciples?
Jesus? No, You are to make disciples, your disciples for Jesus, for God. They are those you got saved and start training just as it is expected that you are trained. Hence, if i am to make disciples, i must have a personal touch, regular meeting, training, instructions for him/her to grow. That in itself is a gathering. And since this is done in the name of the Lord, that is Christian gathering.

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Lastly, I am surprised that you see a constant practice in Christ, gathering always with his disciples (who you call your discipler, Master) and you speak against such acts because you said that it is not commanded. What then do you learn from your Master? his words alone? His actions and deeds are eternal Bro, they set the pace of what should be for us all.

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So, if Jesus commanded that you make disciples, and has shown us what discipleship means in his gathering and ever presence with his disciples, Then your claim that he didnt command us to gather must be unscriptural or at least against the will of Christ.

Hence, Bro, i admonish you will need to revisit your study of Christ words and actions again and yield to it by finding a place of fellowship to be discipled or to disciple others.

In

Kobojunkie:
You still don't get it? Do these Christians that you see do what Jesus Christ in fact commanded of them?

Or do they instead follow the doctrines and traditions(commandments) of men, lies preached by men to deceive in the Name of God?

If you want to know the teachings of Jesus Christ, read the gospels. Compare what you read of Jesus Christ's own teachings to what you see.

His teachings are right there for you to learn. They are not hidden from you so this is nothing about claiming to know. No, this is about comparing the Truth of God to the lies told by men to deceive other men in the name of God.

There are approximately 46 commandments in the New Covenant that is Jesus Christ, so you gain nothing by pretending that the teachings of Jesus Christ a mysteries, and you profit nothing when you refuse to obey them.

Jesus Christ has called none of His own to put their trust in men and what men do. He called everyone who will follow Him to accept(trust) and obey His commandments/teachings, nothing less will do.

You did answer my question.

You speak against Christian gathering together, fellowship of believers. And said it is doctrine of men.

I need a scriptures that discourage or speak against Christian gathering, I need JUST ONE. JUST ONE. At least. I will give you several practices, events, commandments even from the 4 gospels and words of Jesus that already set a pace for gathering.


2. If there is gathering, there will be leadership. Speaking against leadership in church is speaking against the church itself. The issue here is not whether they preach their own doctrine, the issue here is that you are treading on foot the fabric of Christianity, Christian gathering and leadership in it.

The scriptures from Genesis to Revelation is so loud on gathering unto God and spiritual authority that you cannot successfully speak against it.

So does the scriptures teachings that Christian should gather, yes, loudly.

Does the scriptures teaches spiritual authority and submission to the same, ery loud Sir.

Except you show me JUST ONE scriptures that command us to reject the two above.

Kobojunkie:
The reason Jesus died? I am afraid I am not certain what reason your doctrines tell you of the reason for which Jesus Christ died.

According to Jesus Christ, what matters is whether you accept(trust) and obey His teachings/commandments, that is the only way you can have a part of Him and His Kingdom.

Jesus Christ never gave you any commands to suggest you have a duty as far as "gathering unto God" so trying to create a commandment in His New Covenant where there is none given is attempting to add commandments of men which Jesus Christ warned you against doing.

He is the Word of God and God's word is Spirit. Man's words however are nothing but lies where the Spirit(Truth of God) is concerned.

You said you practice what Jesus commanded and what you see him do and yet you don't see a reason for Christian gathering?

Like I said, the scriptures has over 500 statements for gathering unto God or as believers, I will appreciate if you can show me JUST ONE scriptures, that speak against or discourage believers gathering. JUST ONE. Even from Genesis to Revelation.

Claiming it wasn't even Christ commandment speak much of the fact that you are yet to know the importance of Christian gathering to Christ death and Christian living.

Myer:


But the interpretation I'm getting wrong here is still the work of the Holy spirit.
How can I believe I'm wrong when you've not been a witness to the Power of the Holyspirit?

You claim Paul was not referring to signs and miracles, what of Jesus Christ?

I have explained to you and also asked you to show where the scriptures pointed to a miracle worker being same as the PR guy or social media journalist. Point to one. All healing and miracles are reported by spectators, recipients etc. Hence why I advise you that if you want what you are asking for you must follow the path of needing healing? Spectator?.

Bro, don't major on the minor and end up losing both ways.

Kobojunkie:
So long as you continue to cling to doctrines and traditions/commandments of men, the Truth of God( Jesus Christ) which has been in front of us all for about 2000 years now will continue to elude you.

I have seen many used this your lines above before including the believing one, non believing ones, atheist, even the ones who know nothing about what they are saying but it still doesn't change the fact that your premise about church gathering is very wrong and dangerous even for you.

The scriptures from Genesis to Revelation is filled with all forms of practices and teachings of gathering unto God.

So, leave aside the doctrine of men quote. Your message attaches the very reason why Jesus died. That's how dangerous it is.

Myer:


Lol you make it too easy but then again I've resolved to make our discussions as civil as possible.

Are you Jesus who knows the hearts of men?

And Paul corrected the Galatians for going against his teachings when after their conversion through the hearing of faith they still subjected themselves to circumcision and other demands of the Law.

How do you compare your case here?.
You're the type that will defend your anger quoting Jesus got angry and chased people out of the temple for turning his father's house to den of thieves.

You simply assumed and concluded that I hadn't read the Bible in whole and was only picking verses haphazardly.

PS: The very fact that you're a Christian and religious makes you judgmental.
Not your fault. The Bible does teach that whoever doesn't believe in Jesus is condemned already.
Yet it teaches you not to judge. The irony.
That's what religion does anyway.

Like I said, if what you call judging you is about you not reading the scripture properly, so be it. I have no qualms with such judgment.

A Bible text read out of context or misinterpreted wield more destructive power to the hearer than a fall from Everest. It kills, destroys, divides, and its spread is like widefire that can consume a city in a twinkle.

So, if I judge you on giving false Interpretation, I am only fulfilling the scriptures which is very loud on identifying, rejecting and exposing false and errorneous teaching.

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The truth is for you, I believe they aren't deliberate but an issue of experience and improper reading, if not I would have handle this differently for you. But I know you aren't doing this to deceive men but just an issue of not having a proper context. Hence I admonish you to calm down and read again. I say again, you haven't read the scriptures properly and also in bringing the whole book into a systematic unveiling of God's wisdom. You must get this.

So, take the "judgment" and correct yourself Bro. You know I love you and want to see you seeing the scriptures as they are. It's the greatest thing to see in you.

Myer:


I know you're just being evasive as always but let me indulge you yet again.

I quoted where Jesus responded to John's disciples that they could all see the signs viz healing the sick, blind seeing, etc.

I quoted where Paul said he did not come speaking just words but by display of the Power of the Spirit.

Why you find it difficult to share one single testimony of healing here is simply a confirmation of my stand that Christianity is just another religion. Apparently you've spent time learning the word. I would expect you to have countless testimonies of how God has healed the sick as you shared the word with them.
Or how souls have been saved on this platform through your threads.

But rather you've employed every evasive tactic in the book.
You accuse me of Strawman here where as it's you who has been doing that all along.

Just share 1 testimony, is that not what it means to be witnesses of Christ?

You see, pay attention again here. A man's theology is the fulcrum of all his actions and deeds. This also is the driver of your thoughts and intents. This is where you have missed it. And again you missed it up there.

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You quoted Paul, yet out of context. Paul never talked of Power as miracles in 1 Cor 2:4, go and READ PROPERLY. He is referring to the message of the gospel. The preaching not a miracle or wonders. The effectiveness of the preaching, he called it spiritpower. He already explained to you in 1Cor 1:18-31, the preaching is God's power, speaking about salvation.

Your explanation missed the anchor words of the chapters. Paul repeatedly state, PREACH, TEACHETH, PREACHING, TEACHING, all through chapter 1 and 2 but you missed that. This is the very thing I have been correcting you on here to follow context not snippet of verses and I trust God you will yield.

You are always missing the context and has been your undoing and affecting your motives and knowledge. Take this well, as you will observe, unlike me, I want to avoid doing any scriptural text explanation here, I want you to be the one to go back and read things again this time.


Jesus, you mentioned too, didn't give testimony of healing, the audience do. Except you show me a single scriptures where Jesus did such or the Apostles. So, since you want to be an audience, go on the streets of men, or move around the body of Christ, you will have what you seek. The church isn't called to showmanship but to saving of lives. Hence, the sharing of experience on miracles will be left to you as a spectator. Because those are who shared such in the scriptures.

So Bro, miracles abound everywhere, take up your cloak and walk around to spectate.

Kobojunkie:
But that is exactly what many of your so-called Pastors/ preachers/ prophets/ GOs/ Bishops/ Deacons/ Priests really are. The false prophets Jesus Christ warned against.
If you read the book of Matthew, you will see that in almost every chapter where the words of Jesus Christ are found are warnings against people falling for the deception that is there fellow man. He talked of the devil but 90% of the warnings uttered by Jesus Christ were against falling for the lies and deception of men who claim to come in the name of God.

Jesus Christ never said you had to attend church to fellowship with Him or the Spirit of God, nor did he say you needed to mingle with other believers in order to do His will. If Jesus Christ is who you want, you find Him by following His truth in your own life. You have heard of Him. Obey His commandments to you which you can find in the Gospels.

This is not true Bro, and likewise very dangerous.

Myer:


The very post you quoted answers your question.

Invisible answers?
Did you write the answers with UV pen or infrared keyboard?

Myer:


I have read the Bible twice.

I've read the synoptic gospels even more.

I have taught the Bible in foundational classes.

I have unlearned and relearned doctrines.

I have considered everything else as rubbish except the word of God and the pursuit of the nature and likeness of Christ. Of course not to the extent of Paul.

But what I found at the end of it is just another religion.

The efficacy of the word is in the power of the Spirit. If that power is missing, it is but another religion.

Does religion work? I'd say yes.
Whatever one has faith in would certainly work for them.
Which is why there still exists myriads of religions even till date.

But I choose not to be religious cos that was what Jesus came to set the Israelites and by extension the world free from.

Why did I share this?
You're presumptious like most judgmental Christians are. I can't blame you though, you've been taught your religion is the only way and truth and every other religion is hellbound.
Unfortunately, you've also been taught the many powers of the Spirit which you are unable to manifest and substantiate. How frustrating.

Strawmann again?
Can you point to the place I judged you here else remove yourself from playing sentiment card.

If what you call judgment is due to the fact that I pointed to you that you haven't read the scriptures properly, then please take that "judgment" to heart. It will save both you and those who hear or take your instructions.

I didn't do anything more than what Jesus did. Jesus must be judgemental when he told the pharisee that "they haven't read the scriptures". Likewise don't forget when he called his disciples "fools and slow of heart".
Paul must be too, when he corrected his disciples in Galatia.

If this is what you call judgment, Bro, please take the judgement and correct your ways.

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Your reading the scriptures many times is not the same as reading properly. I have told you this severally. I am not here to doubt whether you have read the scriptures before, in fact I know you are going by your exposure to verses and bible texts. But i am here to tell you you haven't read it properly and that is based on your conclusion about the scriptures.


You are the one who judged yourself due to that. Jesus told Nicodemus "are you a teacher of the law, (bible) and know not these things?". Hence it's not strange to be teaching the Bible and still lack its knowledge. So whether you have taught before or handle Bible school is not the focus here but your knowledge of what you teach and explain is what is my concerns. They aren't what the scriptures taught.


Bro, the truth is you aren't paying attention to the essence, focus, explanation, themes, progressiveness, events, actions, inactions and structural thoughts of the scriptures. Get this well and stop seeing it as an abuse.

Hence, you must channel this frustration to strengthen yourself and pick the Bible again for proper reading this time. Channel this frustration to get persuaded by the word of God. In this all doubt and inconsistency will be resolved.

Don't you think and desire so?

Myer:


Spiritual pride is when you can't even admit that you have never been used to heal anyone.

From the very time I asked you to share your testimony on here, you've employed more evasive tactics than a taichi master.
In case pastoring doesn't work out, you'll certainly make an excellent politician.

My emphasis on healing and spiritual gifts is, it is what confirms that Christianity is not just another religion.
It is what confirms you're not just ever studying and never coming to knowledge, speaking empty words.

As Paul aptly said,

1 Cor 2:4-6 And my speech and my preaching were not with persuasive words of human wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power, that your faith should not be in the wisdom of men but in the power of God.

Likewise Jesus rightly answered John the Baptist, when he doubted him;

Luke 7:22 So he replied to the messengers, "Go back and report to John what you have seen and heard: The blind receive sight, the lame walk, those who have leprosy are cleansed, the deaf hear, the dead are raised, and the good news is proclaimed to the poor.

This being a confirmation that when the Spirit of the Lord is upon you, signs follow. Isaiah 61:1

So as you see my friend, until you manifest the gifts of the Spirit as well as the fruit, you're at best just practising religion and not manifesting the life of Christ.

I leave you to chew on that and let it ruminate.

1. I asked you a question you haven't answer, do you need healing or you supervise a sick ward?

2. You can also help me share a scripture where Jesus shared his experience on healing the sick or Paul sharing his, since you want a sharing formula
You so much focus on what is not to miss what is.

Myer:


Why not help us all out by answering them scripturally for the benefit of us all? Unless of course you confirm the Bible's inconsistencies on these.

Haphazard Bible learning won't produce anything but puffed display of knowledge, more confusion which end up not edifying you or me.

You must start learning Bible in systematic order and structure now. It is clear from most of your discussions that the questions and challenges you have on and from the scriptures are result of not reading scriptures the way it should be read, likewise not paying attention to the systematic way the writer presented their writings and the progressive thoughts of the whole scriptures when read together. These show in mostly here in all your "inconsistent scriptures".

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A good way you can start is:
Start reading and asking questions on Bible concepts that are well mentioned in the scriptures.

This will help you understand the bigger picture and how they are broken down to other concepts and teachings. Also allow a relearning by going to reread things again especially when someone point you to it. You don't have to accept it of course, but the act of reading it again is a good study culture and also help you see things again either in new light or in consistent with what you believe already.

Lastly, Dont drop verses like song chorus, original Bible were not presented in verses, they were written together as each book.
They are to be read together (as individual book and by extension the whole books) without stopping in between so as to have the full understand of the discuss.

Myer:
Just when you think you understand anything about the Bible, you'll find another verse that proves otherwise. Below are some examples;

1.God is one and there's no one else beside him.

2. There are 3 that bear witness in heaven, the Father, the word and the Spirit and all three are one

3. Faith is the most important thing.

4. Works are the most important.

5. Love is the most important.

6. Patience is the most important virtue.

7. Jesus is God.

8. Every Christian should speak in tongues.

9. Once saved is forever saved.

10. race abolishes the Law.

11. Grace is without works.

12. There is no sin in heaven.

Brother. Myer , again?

You have so many things rolling on your mind but haven't taken time to look at them properly.

The way you drop snippet of words from scriptures shows where the issue lies: a wholesome study of the scriptures is missing.

When this is done, you will know that no other place you can find such consistency in writing than the scriptures.

Myer:


Ok I agree interpretation is everything. My interpretation is poor, thanks.

Now to signs and wonders. Biko help us heal some of the sick both online and offline.

Thank you sir.

Are you one of the sick or you supervise a sick ward?

Myer:


Ok I agree interpretation is everything. My interpretation is poor, thanks.

Now to signs and wonders. Biko help us heal some of the sick both online and offline.

Thank you sir.

Good, so now that you agreed that your interpretation is poor, you need to firstly humbly apologise for dragging all through and presenting the scriptures falsely. Then I await your apology too for taking my time before your confession

Do this for your own good o. �

Myer:


As I predicted, your ever evasive prowess manifests in it's glory once again. The issue here is not even my interpretation. Do you manifest the gifts of the spirit as the Bible says these signs will follow those who believe? Mark 16:17

Jesus Christ himself said this.
Unless you people see signs and wonders," Jesus told him, "you will never believe." John 4:48

You already know my bone of contention. Neither Jesus nor his disciples demanded that people before performing signs and wonders.
Of course believing without signs is good and shows faith. But it doesn't negate the place of signs.

So why then is it so difficult for you to simply manifest the signs and wonders?

All these epistles would have been unnecessary if only you could.
You should be more concerned if you're following a different Jesus, if you can't manifest any of these signs he promised. Just saying.

Bro morning.

Dont be driven far,

Read this statement very well: BIBLE INTERPRETATION IS EVERYTHING ABOUT BIBLE DISCUSSION.

For example, all you wrote up there is still your interpretation of the scriptures. So you cant shy away from interpretation in all your submissions from the scriptures. But a true bible study and interpretation must access and present the mind and the intent of the original writers not a manipulation of their texts.

So, my all time point for you is that, you have a very bad view and interpretation of the scriptures. Either it stem from point of deliberate manipulation, carelessness or ignorance, this i am yet to ascertain.

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But i will stay with carelessness (lack of proper reading). Hence, the reason i asked you always to read properly before concluding.

In this tread alone, you have raised so many doctrines that will fall flat in the face of proper reading and scrutiny. But i am not ready to do that for now as i found out there is a more fundamental issue to your scriptures misinterpretation than just what you writes. It is a belief issue.

A fundamental facts of believing the scriptures you read is missing from your heart. That alone opens you up for all forms of manipulations and misjudgment of the texts and its inspiration.

This is what needs to be addressed.