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Ranchhoddas:
Thanks. It's an epub file. The PDF format is unlike any I've ever seen.

I don't understand

ZandhaZaraZ:
This is an IRRELEVANT argument. Evolution has nothing to do with the origin of life on EARTH, let alone the origin of the UNIVERSE in its entirety.

Whether it was created or not is RELEVANT and INDISPENSABLE to the argument. Since the entire argument is that everything that began to exist must have a creator, so if your alleged creator also has a creator, that automatically defeats your argument. And, you mentioned it yourself that information can't create itself. That would mean your God, who MUST be made of information, couldn't have created himself either, and the same thing applies to his creator, ad infinitum. You either accept an ETERNAL universe, or an [IMPOSSIBLE, irrational] infinite regress.

There is no creator. The universe doesn't have a beginning.

Who told you that being transcendent forbids one from being created? Weren't the angels and demons CREATED? Don't they transcend time and space? Your point here is invalid.

Let's stop digressing and focus here. I only want to know if you agree that Code cannot write itself. The information in the DNA where did it come from.

Let's leave who created the creator for now. We are discussing codes vs patterns. Let's stay in topic

The information in the DNA where did it come from. As code cannot write itself. No assumptions no digressing

Focus on this simple task.

hopefulLandlord:
evolution does not say anything about the origin of life, it only talks about the diversification of lifeforms

Lolz. The Bible of evolution says. "Origin of Species". And most scientists use as a proof that there is no Creator

hopefulLandlord:
Evolution does not say "there's no creator"

it beats me how theists talk on and on about something they lack even the most basic knowledge about

what does evolution say? I'm all ears

ZandhaZaraZ:
You're also forgetting something. Whichever God is responsible for creating the universe must also be made of "information", so he couldn't have created himself. So, who created him? Who created his creator? Who created whoever created his creator? Ad infinitum. It never ends.

The universe MUST be eternal and couldn't possibly have had a beginning because SOMETHING must ALWAYS EXIST, and NOTHINGNESS is impossible, and anything that exists NOW has existed FOREVER. There's nothing new coming into existence, and there's nothing going out of existence. There's only TRANSFORMATION of eternal, pre-existing states.

So, a creator God who draws an entire universe out of the hat of nothingness, like a cosmic magician is IMPOSSIBLE, as well. That's a FACT.

We are not going that far.

I'm just here to establish that Evolution is false and there is a creator.

There is surely a creator whether it to was created or not is not the bone of contention here.

Let's start by accepting that there is a creator.

The creator "may" be living in a prime reality.

Time and space is interwoven.

The creator could transcend time and space.

There is no need for the creator to be created.

ifenes:
It's too easy to see where DNA codes are from. You really think a Spirit would be interested in DNA codes ? DNA codes could only be assembled by an incredibly intelligent being who have over time mastered how the Universe works

I can see you are facinated with the way the mathematics and order of the Universe is. I say yes you are right to say intelligent designer.... But I say intelligent "designers" a bunch of top notch scientists as many ancient books claimed, including your Bible. We also can reach that height if we do not destroy the planet already. The intelligent designers involved to that point of perfection. Who were they ? Obviously other life forms that exist before ours ever came to be. We are just one of billions of life forms of which we are one of the least evolved. Mentally, emotionally, physically we are still very premature, that's why many of us worship the very evolved life forms or call the Gods.

Don't bother asking science questions about the universe, they have got on 5% of the Universe visible to them, while religion worship and misinterpret the real science books. I'm just an irreligious fellow observing from a neutral point.

It's logical in believing there is a Creator than believing life forming from nothing.

There is a creator shikena.

Ranchhoddas:
I've been searching for a PDF file of this book to no avail. Do you have it?

PDF
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1o7KBRizsMTZ1A5M2VVTmp2UFU/view?usp=drivesdk

eBook
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1o7KBRizsMTQXIxQnlfdFFlcXc/view?usp=drivesdk

Once you download lemme know. So I can remove it.

ZandhaZaraZ:
What these people have failed to understand is that the OBSERVABLE universe of matter and antimatter is that which is said to have begun to exist! That doesn't imply that THE STATE OF EXISTENCE that preceded the Big Bang was NOTHING or NONEXISTENCE.

Existence is ETERNAL. It has no beginning, and couldn't have had any beginning, because nothingness or nonexistence is IMPOSSIBLE.

Lolz. You all are forgetting something. i.e. information

The universe is made up of energy, matter/antimatter and information.

(Information) it cannot create itself.

jimmyjenseng:
DNA code and its replication proves the existence of DNA code and replication. Nothing else! It's quite ludicrous how people use DNA as an argument for god. This is an argument from perceived gap - we don't know therefore god. If anything, the DNA supports evolution than it does creationism.

The complexity of the replication is extreme and this points to years of the molecules self-replicating. Not 100 years; not thousand; not million but billions.

You are missing something the "information in the DNA".

You haven't put an argument. It's like you're saying. Software code and it's copying proves the existence of software code and it's copying. Nothing else!

Can't believe even smart scientific atheists like you don't understand this simple concept. A concept a child would understand.

Code cannot write itself. This is basis of information theory.

Next!

hopefulLandlord:
wow! how do you know science has "stopped looking"?

THEY'VE STOPPED BECAUSE THEY FOUND IT IN EVOLUTION. LIFE CAME BY CHANCE AND THAT'S IT.

ISN'T THERE A BIBLE OF EVOLUTION? ORIGIN OF SPECIES?

Iykmann:
My support for Biafra is 100%.But the need to boycott the anambra election is what i don't understand,because certain percent of people will vote and a winner would be declared.

Wisdom dey your head

gidgiddy:
They boycott is not about who gets elected, Biafran supporters are not majorly interested in who becomes the Governor of Anambra state.

They aim of the boycott is show Nigerians and the world at large that Biafrans have rejected Nigeria and its political process

OFE NSALA!

smh

APC will now enter and you'll be crying Hausa Fulani are putting in people to Lord over you.

vaxx:
Am very interested in this topic .......but since you wish to deviate a little to the God of the gap argument.... Let have a discussion.....


You are cominting argumentun ad furious fallacy...in English it means argument of the future fallacy....Therefore I will coined a new word for any atheists who accuse believer on God of the gap fallacy....the word shall be known as ignorance of the Gap....

The arguments for the existence of God such as Cosmological Argument, the Teleological Argument, etc. are all DEDUCTIVE arguments. This means that the premises are established by what we do know, rather than what we don’t know. If the premises were all based off of what we don’t know, then the deductive argument would be invalid because all of the premises would be controversial.

For example with cosmological Argument, we use what we do know to develop the following premises:

Whatever begins to exist has a cause.

The universe began to exist.

Conclusion: Therefore, the universe had a cause




Unlike the atheists who are hypocritical in their accusations. When confronted with the evidence of the existence of God using deductive arguments the atheists will say “I don’t know is a valid answer!” though it is, but it is not sound for any rational atheist that has conclude believe of God is illogical....


Let me give you example, my culture teaches life begin on water. Science later find evidence... My culture teaches that there is energy force on every nature... The thunder, the flower ,and the rock...this is another evidence that has been claimed by scientists...



Let me ask you a question.... Do you rely on science as evidence to disprove or proof the existence of God?

Science has stopped looking for the origin of life. No God in science is more important than finding the origin of life. They assume then make the assumptions law any other option is a taboo. That's how they become complacent

hopefulLandlord:
I can give you examples of people of the past using what they didn't know or understand as proof of god; thunder, ground shakes, rainfall, wind, sickness etc were used to "prove" the existence of god at the time but as we grew more in knowledge people stopped using that to argue for god and now we've arrived at "DNA" such as the one OP is talking about, he sees the gap and plugs god in the hole

When Isaac Newton reached the limit of his ability to describe the universe, he attributed what he did not know to god. God seems always to be just beyond the horizon of knowledge, is someplace that we can't yet see. God is an ever receding idea, pushed just a little bit further out with every new discovery. It is the best excuse in the world to quit thinking.



pay attention to the quote below which was made at a time when people regarded epilepsy to be something divine

People think that epilepsy is divine simply because they don't have any idea what causes epilepsy. But I believe that someday we will understand what causes epilepsy, and at that moment, we will cease to believe that it's divine. And so it is with everything in the universe.

Hippocrates

this cosmologist puts it succinctly

Does it mean, if you don’t understand something, and the community of scientists don’t understand it, that means God did it? Is that how you want to play this game? Because if it is, here’s a list of things in the past that the scientists at the time didn't understand [and now we do understand] […]. If that’s how you want to invoke your evidence for God, then God is an ever-receding pocket of scientific ignorance that’s getting smaller and smaller and smaller as time moves on — so just be ready for that to happen, if that’s how you want to come at the problem.

Neil deGrasse Tyson

God was invented to explain mystery. God is always invented to explain those things that you do not understand. Now, when you finally discover how something works, you get some laws which you're taking away from God; you don't need him anymore. But you need him for the other mysteries. So therefore you leave him to create the universe because we haven't figured that out yet; you need him for understanding those things which you don't believe the laws will explain, such as consciousness , or why you only live to a certain length of time — life and death — stuff like that. God is always associated with those things that you do not understand. Therefore I don't think that the laws can be considered to be like God because they have been figured out.

Richard Feynman

Such hypocrisy. Science has dumped somethings believed to be right in the past but discovered it was wrong. Even in the present. Scientists to are guilty of this. They are holding on to evolution with religious zealousness because once it's discovered to be a fable people may start believing in God again. Genetics, molecular biology and information theory is coming for evolution.

I had the time to argue but I can't really now.

Information theory is not mystery, Genetics is not mystery. Everything in the post is pure science. I don't know where I mentioned mystery or trying to prove God. Don't let us go through that route yet.

All codes are created by a mind DNA, music, software (no exceptions). Every other code minus DNA comes from the human mind. DNA code is the one we don't know the origination. The complexity of The DNA can't even happen by chance in the life span of the universe. but it's here. it's contains "complex specified information" which comes from a mind. Look at it logically then get back.

This is science (information theory) and not a we don't know gaps thing that we don't know.

The genetics and information theory inferes a creator (I'm not talking about the Christian God now before you knack your head for wall). Let's do science or don't you want to know the origin of life?

Another strong case for a creator is that you will never find another natural existing Code. before you start mentioning. It has to be copiable, transcribable and storable.

If you can mention one then there is no Creator

Exclusive32:
how can you dissolve and independent country Parliament, do you think it will work out?

If you ask me. Na who I go ask.

Catalonia parliament dissolved

What PDP doesn't understand is that Nigeria has broken up with it.

Poverty rate in Nigeria According to States

Desyner:
The opposite of Boo(Harry) when it comes to dictatorial tendencies.
Imagine that Boo(Harry) refuses to compesate the relatives of 11 innocent corpers.

Check the records Jonathan was more tyrannical than Buhari.

Don't hold my word for it.

IneedSugarMumy1:
Na the girl still win again, tiny dick and 55k salary




Make I go faint for jubrin head

1. They didn't have sex. 2. $55000 (dollars) Salary isn't small money. 3. The lady was expecting please I like you, don't go. While the guy was already put off by her attitude to the date.

Can't you be objective for once. Know what is right. Table matters, weigh both sides. see where both can be wrong and address it.

You won't die if you can be objective.

What's her name. What's her number.

are you in the Army before you start typing rubbish.
God forgive you

ENDTIMEgist:
I'd Blame the Christian God on these whole tithe and offering buhaha, I wonder why he made so may contradiction in his inspirational book and thereby leading to the thousands of denominations he has today. I wonder why he failed to explain how tithe should be given or perhaps open a gateway portal to heaven so everybody would keep posting their share of tithe to him?

Well who am I to speak? I am too canal to understand the things of the spirit

God is not the problem it's these gods of men who are. Just that you got angry but didn't look for the truth you became an atheist.

There is a God and religion made by man destroyed everything.

brixton:
I am a proud member of free the sheeple movement and I stand with daddy freeze

Nigeria and Africa must be from these demonic gods of men. We must keep saying it till they understand.

Even if we must be religious we must believe in our efforts to build a better nation.

Sunnybabe:
hello guys, please where can a physics with electronics graduate works and currently in Nigeria, what is the probability of securing job with that qualification? pls i need quick response

My course matters work in banks, some have their own businesses, me I'm working on my start up an IT Based Company.

You can do some IT courses it will really help you a whole lot.

blueAgent:
As usual, they cannot debate on DNA coding their points will fail them.

please mention them. so we can call them out

Ikeja 70% I can't lie dem dey try

Day 2: They are still not here. I can't believe this

Maina ma jona ni

This is the most sensible ipob thing in forever

Who cares