₦airaland Forum

Nowenuse:
Pls let us all forget all these "Eguns are not yorubas", "Olukwumi are not igbo", "so so are not so so" and bla bla bla.
The truth is that in the Nigerian context of today, ppl are free to choose wherever they want to belong to a large extent.

There are some groups who may choose a certain identity just for political convenience but that does not really mean that is who they are originally.

Left for me, i'd say Eguns are not yorubas because in their language alphabets, they have the letter V and Letter Z intonatitons in their language and this is something almost all other yoruba dialects lack.
But it is up to the Eguns to decide who they want to be, if they say they prefer to be identified as Yorubas and the other Yorubas accept them, fine, who are others to speak against this??

Same thing goes for the Aworis, Olukumis and all others. There is freedom of association to a large extent i think.

Just like Itsekiris who sometimes they will claim they are Yorubas and most other times they will reject. During the time of the Old regional system of govt, Itsekiris were identifying with the Yorubas just for political convenience and this helped them because Awolowo favoured the Itsekiris over the other Western minority groups, but today u will hardly see Itsekiris claiming to be Yorubas.

oneeaast:
lawma is a street carriage of dustbin.some yoruba that have igbos as a neigbour ve being thought how to wore a clean clothes and keep their house clean including environment.
no offense

frm observation.

oneeaast:
yu know yur boundary and your pple came to our land and resides there hence the olukumi in aniocha lg.

oneeaast:
dubai is too beautiful to be use as lagos example.
yes we go to lagos to do business and expand our business.but some place in lagos is too dirty to be compared as dubai.
igbos have taught the yorubas how to be clean.

tonychristopher:
This is not ethnic bashing this is critical analysis of oduduwa

The question is
Was he real
Who is he
Where did he come from
What language did he speak
Who where his co traveller
What race was he
Where did he have his childhood
Whom did he marry
Where is his grave
Where are archeaological evidence of oduduwa
The Benin connection
Did he fall from sky

These are questions beging for answer@

oneeaast:
haha..
can we see where it s written in ifa divinity?

tonychristopher:
1 I am not debating with you
2 I am not talking about igbo or not
3 learn how not to use foul language
4 don't quote me
5 you are not making any intellecual contribution

tonychristopher:
In actuality, the Egun and Awori people are not yoruba. Their language is Egun which is similar to Ewe language spoken in Benin and parts of Togo. The Egun and Awori language is more 'eweid' than 'Yorubaid'. Some Egun people speak Yoruba just as Okrika people speak Igbo but are not Igbo.
The Aworis claim early link with Benin, however, they are Yorubas in today's Nigerian context.

Many Ijebus dont also believe in Oduduwa thing, I have one as my neighbour here, sometimes he doesnt even see himself as a yoruba he prefers to be called ijebu and this dude is educated. He has his reasons and I respect him

oneeaast:
haha

ekenedegreat:
Is that all you have to say? In those places the yorubas resides, are those lands not pples inheritance? Then, why is it that yorubas are lamenting on daily basis about the igbos in lagos

oneeaast:
re u comparing dubai with lagos or what?
just say lagos is their cotonou for free trade.

oneeaast:
just 3% of them travel.

tonychristopher:
lol


such an intelligent answer...lol

tonychristopher:
king called Lamurudu. this your king did not have any written document about oduduwa, lets assume that he and his co travellers came from middle east, as colonisers they should be speaking one arab or persian language and he must be arab not negroid. that is accepted, now I know that colonisers leave mark if they are no more colonising like England left English for Nigeria, Rome left latinm for meditereanian, Benin left Idumagbons

Now the Question is what Persian/Arab language from middleast or similarities of king called Lamurudu language did oduduwa leave or was [size=18pt]his brain scanned and deleted of his former intelligence[/size], if he forgot his language all of a sudden due to amnesia, how come that somebody that forget everything could lead a group of people so effectively...NOW ODUDUWA did not fall from sky


PLS LOOK AT THIS NEXUS AND LACUNA Fix them, not for my sake but for the posterity reason and credibility of Yoruba oduduwa strory


Now give us archelogical and sociological leaning of Middle East via linguistic miasma


Thank you

tonychristopher:
w
here we go

where did oduduwa and his co travelers come from

tonychristopher:
Who are oduduwa parents where do they come from ?

Is there record of oduduwa childhood


Or did he fall from heaven via orbit re entry


Pls research these and get back to us

tonychristopher:
YOU MISSED IT BRO..ODUDUWA was a benin prince that went on exile, bro have you forgotten that yorubas said that oduduwa fell from sky and then parachute wasnt invented, so it makes that story fable and fit for nursery school kids, then a different account said that they met oduduwa in the bush, then the question is where is he coming from that he was wandering in the bush



HAVE YOU PEOPLE ASKED YOURSELF WHO WAS ODUDUWA PARENTS, ATLEAST HE WAS A HUMAN SOMEBODY MUST HAVE GIVEN BIRTH TO HI, WHERE DID HE COME FROM AND HOW WAS HIS CHILDHOOD...NOT THAT ODUDUWA WAS YORUBA..HAVE you ever done a research on that dude and know that Yorubas have been sold dummy


I think Oduduwa was a Benin prince with archeological and historical facts

stinggy:
Wrong! You wouldn't say true owners of Nigeria are the Brits because they colonized us at a time, would you?
Aworis are the owners, and are part of the larger Yoruba tribe, only few misguided ones will refute this.

tonychristopher:
I SERVED IN EDO AND BENIN CITY PROPER, I HAVE NEVER HEARS ANY BENIN MAN BEAR YORUBA NAME, OR IS OSAS AND IVIE YORUBA NAMES, THESE ARE POPULAR EDO NAMES....WHEN I MEN EDO I MEAN PURE EDOS LIKE BENINS AND ESANS


I HAVE NEVER SEEN THEM BEAR YORUBA NAMES, MAYBE LECTURE ME HOW THEY COLONIZED YORUBA OR HOW YORUBA COLONIZED THEM AND HOW COME IDU IS IN YORUBA LAND AND NO ILE IN BENIN LAND

stinggy:
That's why you should always read wide. He left because of the 'ibinu'(anger) in Bini people when he couldn't take it again, with the aim of taking up Ife stool but to his dismay, it has been occupied, so he had to leave again to set up his own kingdom.

You can read more from Prince Akenzua's reply to Ooni:
http://www.edoworld.net/We_know_Benin_history_dont_write_it_for_us_Prince_Akenzua.html

tonychristopher:
YOU STILL HAVE NOT ANSWERED THE QUESTION

OSHODI IS A FAMILY NAME, WHAT IS THE MEANING


WHAT IS THE MEANING OF THE WORD IDU IN YORUBA

BRAET THEM DOWN


THEN WHAT IS THE MEANING OF THE WORD

LEKI

IKOYI


I AM WAITING FOR ANY PURE YORUBA THAT CAN PICK UP THE CHALLENGE PLS



THIS WILL PUT THE LAGOS NO MAN LAND AT REST

kalakuta100:
see how you have fooled yourself so the ife kingdom existed before the bini kingdom abi

kalakuta100:
nobody that is not a Benin prince trained in the arts and traditions of Benin can rule the great land of igodomigodo... Please look at history and talk like some a someone educated.. This your story is half baked this is the real gist .The exiled Prince Ekaladerhan who was not known in Yoruba land, somehow earned the title of Oni Ile-fe Izoduwa which is now corrupt to yoruba language as Ooni (Oghene) of Ile-Ife Oduduwa and refused to return, then sent his son Oranmiyan to become king. Prince Oranmiyan took up his abode in the palace built for him at Usama by the elders (now a coronation shrine). Soon after his arrival he married a beautiful lady, Erinmwinde, daughter of Osa-nego, was the ninth Enogie (Duke) of Ego, by whom he had a son. After some years residence here he called a meeting of the people and renounced his office, remarking that the country was a land of vexation, Ile-Ibinu (by which name the country was afterward known) and that only a child born, trained and educated in the arts and mysteries of the land could reign over the people. He caused his son born to him by Erinmwinde to be made King in his place, and returned to Yoruba land Ile-Ife. After some years in Ife, he left for Oyo, where he also left a son behind on leaving the place, and his son Ajaka ultimately became the first Alafin of Oyoof the present line, while Oranmiyan himself was reigning as Oni of Ife. Therefore, Oranmiyan of Ife, the father of Eweka I, the Obaof Benin, was also the father of Ajaka, the first Alafin of Oyo. Oni of Ife and Alafe of Oyo is a Bini spoken language all the Kings title in Southerner are Edo Language. In Nigeria Edo has the greatest and rich culture and most influence in West Africa and powerful King in Nigeria.

NigerMan1:
absoluteSuccess - Whenever history is brought to the table you Yorubas find it difficult to bring scholarship to the table. True educated and knowledeable HISTORIANS do not recourse to insults and abuse to defend their points.

First did you read that story very well? Tell me the truth - is there anywhere you read (or heard) any of your so-called Yoruba Historians alluded to the fact that people from present day Yorubland are domiciled in present day Delta, via old Benin? Am sure you did not! Why? Because they carefully kept such historical truth from you guys, so they can continue to deceive you - about the lies called "YORUBA"

Again I asked you: "Have you ever accepted the fact that some of your so-called kinsmen are domiciled in Niger Delta? And remember all those places were once under the ruler-ship of the Oba of Benin"

Now this story came out, 100s of Yorubas read it and extremely FEW commented with tongues in your chic, while majority carefully passed off, without commenting. Even you, absoluteSuccess did not comment directly on this historical fact, but instead attacked one of my points!

For me, a story like this has shown that most part of Yoruba History are lies and fables. And I hope you will lesson your boastfulness and grandstanding. I hope your historians will not one day, coupled up lies that those towns are "yorubaland"

NOTE: Stop deceiving yourself, Yoruba is not one. The word/term Yoruba was a mid 19th century appellation to group you guys together. This is a fact of history, well recorded so no one can change it.