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Posted on Nov 12

An interesting perspective but a bit simplistic and ( with all due respect) naive in a game as complex as politics where ulterior motives and very long term permutations by power hungry folks or zones would easily torpedo such a noble disposition. The foundations of zoning, the unconstitutionality thereof, the sincerity and fidelity of the parties involved, the spirit of it and not the letter, the temptation on those who have benefitted from it to renege either by accident or design (coups, assassinations, force majeure) all need to be brought into the calculation to obtain the alchemy of reason why it should be dispensed wit.

You appear to have so much faith in the sincerety of the North WRT zoning If IBB was in GEJ's position, the man with the unending transition, would he just step aside without testing his popularity at the polls, a constitutionally assured right? Would he not invoke the party provisions that allow the man in power to seek re-nomination as long as he is constitutionally permitted? Abeg talk some as the Ghanaians would say. By now the mantra from most of the North would have been 'it is the will of Allah'. Now fatalism is not acceptable.

You might say that they rotated power to the south instead of allowing Abubakar to continue. Everyone
knows that at that time, military rule had become globally despicable and any one holding unto power militarily was on his own. Again at whose expense was power rotated to the south? It was still at the expense of the south definitely not the North. Alex Ekwueme was on a roller coaster to clinch power as Abacha had decimated most of the strong poltical juggernauts in the country by death, imprisonment or exile . It would perhaps have been a battle royale between Ekwueme and Ige/Falae. No Northern political heavy was in sight and IBB would have been so odious had he come out then. More odious than now. Those figures were all unnacceptable to him and his constituency so he played a fast one killing 4 birds with one stone.

1/ Play the south against themselves as before and deny the SE power as a continuation of the civil war.
2/Pay lip service to assuaging the SW and Nadeco on June12 and Abiola by foisting on them a candidate he believed would not rock the boat.
3/ Appear generous to the South by rotating power to them when actually the election was theirs to lose. All these three were to lead up to the season finale,
4/ Reposition and take back power to the North through himself after 8 years of the token given to the south.

Of course against his expectation OBJ rocked the both and thwarted this by foisting his own man on the North, someone IBB would not morally contest against and then
God took over and the rest is the history he is trying so had to rewrite.

I have always maintained that IMO IBB, and most of the core North, is not sincere about power rotation . If so they would have constrained Abubakar to include it in the 1999 constitution as, I gather, Abacha wanted to before his demise. Nothing would have stopped them. If so all these arguments now for or against zoning would have been moot. Ohaneze has seen through all this to come to the conclusion they reached after their consultations. Of course I know there are many fair minded Northerners. To them I apologise if they feel I have been too hard at my analysis of the Northern Power mongery. However they will agree with me that there are Northern folks who think that they own Nigeria, the way Tompolo says he owns MEND, and parcel out power to whom and when and to the tune they want. They must be stopped before they disintegrate Nigeria. This is a time they must pull back and allow Jonathan. It is the will of Allah. Ta ta

Posted Oct 17.

First of all historically, Ohaneze has never, to my knowledge endorsed any candidate above others as they have always acted as an umbrella for all Igbos and Igbo friends that are running so the veracity of this report needs to be ascertained.If however it is true, it means that they are emerging from the cocoon of a laidback leadership to a more assertive one. Part of me prefers the old order lest they commit themselves to a loser but the other part says, WTH, Principles should come first even if you lose but I know that in Nigerian politics the principled guy most times is seen as the fool so why not let an umbrella socio-cultural body remain neutral while politicians and political groups keep playing the partisan card. Time will tell on what is the best approach.

Secondly the reasons given for coming out on GEJ's side are consistent with Ohaneze's stand over the years for a president of SE extraction modified later to SE and SS to balance the power sharing equation in the Nation and the position they canvassed at Abacha's constitutional conference for power rotation along geopolitical lines not between North and South. The fact that PDP came to adopt the Northern view in their constitution should not make Ohaneze jettison their stance.

Thirdly Ohaneze on their website as far back as when GEJ was the VP mentioned his name among the list of Igbos for special mention ie they saw him as Igbo. But for me the best candidate and an even better Igbo representation in the race is PU but I doubt if he has the political sagacity to beat an incumbent GEJ or deadly IBB or slimy Atiku or bullish Buhari but I think his time will come. For now GEJ who is more like the one eyed man in the land of the blind presidential runners in PDP.

I have no doubt in my mind that GEJ will sweep Igbo votes. It is only some Igbo elite, politicians and generally the older generation that associate GEJ with bitter past experiences of Ijaw subterfuge personified in Clark and hasty verdicts of inept performance. The youths and the common man on the street in Igboland will root for Ebele Azikiwe more than a certain Ribadu or Babangida ,etc. Igbo votes are Jonathan's to lose. Granted votes will be shared in each zone by all candidates but I am talking of the majority votes. GEJ is gradually developing in political sagacity and politese ( If there is any word like that) and will only lose Igbo votes if he commits very serious blunders against Ndigbo in this run up to the polls. His body language so far despite his few missteps does not show one with the disposition of committing an october faux pa ( as the Americans will say ) against Ndigbo. His youth, electronic and other 21st cy approaches to politics and governance portray him as being intellectually savvy lending him to easy kinship with the youths and young at heart and also his story of grass to grace when linked to his name adds an element of sentimentality and myth slightly comparable to the Obama myth that draws sympathy and goodwill from the neutral, unencumbered, uncensored, uninitiated and unprejudiced. If these positive capitals can be cashed at the polls barring voter apathy especially among the youths, the windfall will purchase a shocking electoral landslide in Igboland and beyond, assuming that franchise is upheld to the letter. This endorsement if true will add to that momentum.

Onlytruth:
Look, several times, the Yoruba have attempted to form a common front with Ndigbo. In spite of their ignoble role in Biafra, we have given them audience and voted twice for them. If we can do that for a people we share almost nothing with, we should do even more for those we share a region with.

I happen to come from a school of political thought which sees Nigeria as the one of 1966 -North, West, Mid-West and East.

If you look carefully, that structure is the most viable structure and have been used to share political things such as states and offices.
Obasanjo wanted to pick someone from the old East to succeed him. He and his northern allies could not trust Ndigbo, but they knew that an Easterner should succeed the North. So, they picked Jonathan. The plan was for Yar adua to serve two terms and hand over to Jonathan for another two terms. That is the REAL TRUTH all thanks to Obasanjo and his northern allies.

If they couldn't pick an Igbo man/woman to run with Yar adua as VP, what makes you think they would hand over to an Igbo in 2015?

I have carefully followed utterances from northerners and they all hinted the same thing. They would complete their term and hand over to a South southerner. Mind you that this can be any one from South south (from Cross river to Edo).

Jonathan is an ACT OF GOD. I have always known that the South south creation is a way to undermine Eastern Nigeria. If that is not the case, why are both the North and the West intact, but the East is balkanized into a mythical South east and South south?

Jonathan understood these things hence his letter to Ndigbo. He is our opportunity to beat the northerner in his games against the East and Ndigbo.

I want an Eastern Nigeria that can compete with the North and the West in terms of coordinated and integrated development as one geo-economic region. I want the South East to become an industrial hub with the ports in Calabar and Port Harcourt handling exports from the East. And so on and many more. . .

All these begin with sharing a common political destiny. Jonathan is an opportunity to lay that foundation.

Onlytruth:
Believe me the problem I have with you and people who share your views is that you are not strategic thinkers.
Apart from a promise of Igbo president in 2015 (which I think is fake) you have nothing else to show for us to believe that supporting a northerner over Jonathan is a better move.
If you think a little bit, you would see that even if the north support us for 2015 presidency, they would likely insist on a candidate of their choice, like they did with Obasanjo in the turn of Yorubas. I can assure you that is not what Ndigbo needs.
We want far more than just a figure head president who would do northern bidding over Eastern or Igbo prerogatives. We simply need a base, a real base with clout. After building that base, we can confidently walk up the the rest of Nigeria and present one of us as president to them. They would trust us then because they would have seen what we did with our own region.

Onlytruth:
Believe me, that bolded part is the ultimate truth.

Since the "Eyo Ita incidence" of the 50s, the north had lied against Ndigbo saying that we undermine our minority neighbors. From that era, these minorities have voted northern candidates. It has remain so even till now. Only this time, God is involved and that God has decided to right the wrongs and stop the lies.

Now, Jonathan found himself (not through any fault of his) as the country's president.
The north wanted to leap frog Ndigbo and that is how Jonathan became the VP. Well, Jonathan being a good son of his father, understood that Nigeria cannot move forward with the type of anti-Igbo games going on. So, he wrote to Ndigbo in 2006 pouring his heart out and sought our support to help him secure Eastern interests.

Today, we are responding to that call and it is making some people uncomfortable. I wonder why.
Just yesterday, some of them started to say that Jonathan is "unelectable" because of his minority Ijaw tribe. Well, if that is true, why did you pick him in the first place ahead of someone from a majority tribe? What games are you playing? You thought he could never develop the balls to go for the real thing?

Anyway, Ndigbo are trying the bury the "Eyo Ita demon" once and for all.

After next year, no one will accuse us of bullying our minority neighbors.

Brother you seem to be expressing just my thots. See  below some of my write ups on this matter so far.

vicenzo:
It is annoying when people fault ohanaeze for endorsing GEJ,ohanaeze took that decision after wide consultation with various igbo groups,no igboman unless one with personal interest wil fault ohanaeze on this decision.Go to the streets of onitsha,awka,enugu,abakaliki,umuahia,owerri and other southeastern cities and towns and u wil know that almost every igboman wants GEJ.Ndi igbo has realised that the 2015 igbo presidency promise by the north is not real and even if it is,it is no substitute for eastern unity which GEJ represents.Like i have always said,no one, igbo and non igbo can claim to know what is better for ndi igbo than OHANAEZE.

So Profound.

So the North never  voted for  OBJ; only a handful of christians. Surprise surprise. Things are getting clearer daily.Were the christians foolish then to vote for Tafawa Balewa(twice), Shehu shagari(twice), Abiola and Yaradua? One Nation indeed.

So the word 'inellectable' has crept into Nigerian poltics. Sad

Yes. Even those he decreed into being and added the fillip to them by making them retroactive.

ilugunboy:
This paranoid will kill you the way you are going.

Don't let this translate to the way you relate with non-Igbos in the real world please!!. Seeing everything from the narrow prism of Igbos and non-Igbos and these people are against us.

You guys cannot keep blackmailing the Mods when you keep posting the wrong stuff!. I've been on this site longer than most of you and[b] I've never received a private warning not to talk of been ban[/b].

Really??

Bros Emeagwali you can say whatever you like. You have already been found guilty by many and already sentenced. Such folks will always find a way to puncture your defence. Just find a cure for AIDS if you really want them to hail you.

Onlytruth:
Frankly, anyone who thinks that Ohanaeze is endorsing Jonathan just because of Igbo presidency in 2015 is missing the main aim of this endorsement. I confidently speculate that the endorsement goes farther than that. It is really about restructuring the federation for justice and fairness.

Ndigbo need a sixth or seventh state.
Ndigbo need a functioning international airport.
Ndigbo need a fair amount of federal presence in Igboland (roads, bridges, institutions etc)

All these would trump Igbo presidency any day. I'm not saying that Igbo presidency is not urgent. All I'm saying is that it will be easier to get it if we have enough clout in the federation.
We don't have that clout yet.
That is what Jonathan will hopefully give us in return for our support.

This is Onlytruth the realist speaking now.

I agree with you here but do not agree that they trump Igbo presidency. i would rather say that those and a few others will pave way for Igbo Presidency in the near future.

Beside all those, supporting Jonathan is a matter of principle. Ohaneze has always believed in power rotation among the zones and not between North and South till all zones benefit therefrom. So I do not understand why some folks here see this endorsement as against power rotation. It is just against the type of power rotation that the North wants but promotes the type the Ohaneze has always advocated. It is unfortunate that some posters here do not see this stand on principle and are only talking about political gains of the endorsement for the Igbo. I believe the political gains are needed but principles must be stood up for no matter who eventually wins. Even if Jonathan eventually loses ( which is quite improbable) as people are scared of, It is better to stand for the principles of rotating power among the zones than between North and South if the question of power rotation is to address the lopsidedness of power sharing so far in the Nations history. This matter which nearly torpedoed the 1994 constitutional conference was heatedly discussed to a stalemate. Why would Ohaneze today come and support a principle it has always fought against. The only way Ohaneze could have supported zoning between North and South was if it were enshrined in the constitution. But the North and IBB was in the best  position than any other section to, but did  not, push for this under A. Abubakar that gave us the present constitution who incidentally was an IBB boy.  If they had, even if it was the  North/South variation, The whole country would have really seen them as sincere to share power given the Aburi and June 12 experiences. Ohaneze could then have surrendered their principle even if temporarily to the constitution. But the situation is such that zoning as is adopted by PDP is quite amorphous, not well articulated with timelines vis-a-vis zones and allows lacunnae that led to the present  seeming impasse.Above all, the unconstitututionality of zoning makes it a tool that can be discarded any day by those who dont need it any more and puts the whole gargantum of  adherence on the sincerety of parties which in the Nigerian experience is nothing to write home about.

I believe that Ohaneze by this endoresement has scored many points.
1/ Stood boldly by their principle( without any equivocation) even if their man loses.
2/Garnered respect as a principled body that you can deal with without a long spoon since you know where they will always stand.
3/ Assured the minority groups that they can give way to them  even though they represent a majority tribe thereby debunking myths of a domineering tribe crafted by other parts of Nigeria to drive the knife between the Igbo and their immediate neigbours before, during and after the civil war using the Eyo Itta/ Zik case as an exagerated example.
4/Will go a long way in restoring Igbo/ Ijaw relations that were shattered by the events  of the civil war and beyond.
5/  Puts them on a moral highground by showing that Ndigbo are not vindictive and can forgive and accomodate a wayward neigbhour and effectively gives the Ijaw a long rope to reciprocate or not in future. This can provide the required momentum for the Igbo to complete the job of forgiving all other groups in the Nigerian Nation, a huge albatross that is better gotten rid off to increase their already forward momentum in National and international prominence.
6/ Makes a strong case for restructuring the Nation and for an Igbo president in the near future.
7/ Helps give GEJ a very strong home base and will discourage anybody from trifling with him as he will not only have to contend with the Ijaws but also their Igbo neigbours,etc.

Having said all these, please note that it is the prerogative of a leader to lead and of a follower to follow. No one can be coerced to do either. But the fact is that NDIGBO NEEDS STRONG LEADERSHIP NOW AND OHANEZE IS PROVIDING THAT.
A wise,  vissionary and charismatic leadership will certainly take Ndigbo to their rightful place  in the 21st century Nigeria, Africa and in the comity of Nations.

fstranger:
Point of correction . . . I am not a Nigerian! I am a confirmed citizen of Oodualand, an unapologetic follower of Awo, a chest thumping Igbo wife beater and an unrepentant Conqueror of the Biafrans. Best get that into your tiny brain.

Wow. Never knew tribalists even marry across tribes in order to take out their hatred. WOW WOW!!!!!!!

Gains of the Jubilee are already rolling in

Dede1:
Sir, I do not have any use for sentimental posturing as many Nigerians would like to have it. Based on the training I received from my parents and other facilities, I tend to pursue issues on constituted merits.

The only entity mentioned in Nigerian constitution with powers to sponsor a candidate for political office in Nigeria is political party. Other than Nigerian constitution which had granted express powers to political parties, I only hold judiciously to detect of the constitution of contending political parties in Nigeria. In this regards, I am at home with section 7-2c of PDP constitution as far as zoning or rotating of posts are concerned in Nigeria.

I came to this conclusion based on the fact that PDP is the only political party whose members had gray matters above their shoulders capable of removing any ambiguity on the issue of zoning or rotating political offices by entrenching such clause in its constitution. Whether it was a brain child of northern politicians to inject the idea of zoning political positions in Nigeria into PDP constitution, which I doubt very much, I do not give a hoot.

It is very ludicrous for some peeps to deny and even kick against the zoning formula of PDP and at the same time conjuring the idea of rotational of political posts within the umbrella of PDP. If GEJ runs for presidency of Nigeria against the back drop of section 7-2c of PDP constitution, all the subsequent positions thereafter must be decided based on the winner takes-all since democracy is a game of numbers.

I am lost trying to fathom why PDP constitution is a political suicide. At least, it shows sense of virtue, sanity and decorum instead of horse race GEJ and political minnows are trying very hard to introduce in PDP. It is unfortunate you failed woefully to see that GEJ is trying to introduce the latent influence of incumbency in party primaries. After GEJ tenure, it certainly will be the turn of Sambo and then followed by whosoever is Sambo’s VP.

An interesting perspective but a bit simplistic and ( with all due respect) naive in a game as complex as politics where ulterior motives and very long term permutations by power hungry folks or zones would easily torpedo such a noble disposition. The foundations of zoning, the unconstitutionality thereof, the sincerity and fidelity of the parties involved, the spirit of it and not the letter, the temptation on those who have benefitted from it to renege either by accident or design (coups, assassinations, force majeure) all need to be brought into the calculation to obtain the alchemy of reason why it should be dispensed wit.

You appear to have so much faith in the sincerety of the North WRT zoning If IBB was in GEJ's position, the man with the unending transition, would he just step aside without testing his popularity at the polls, a constitutionally assured right? Would he not invoke the party provisions that allow the man in power to seek re-nomination as long as he is constitutionally permitted? Abeg talk some as the Ghanaians would say. By now the mantra from most of the North would have been 'it is the will of Allah'. Now fatalism is not acceptable.

You might say that they rotated power to the south instead of allowing Abubakar to continue. Everyone
knows that at that time, military rule had become globally despicable and any one holding unto power militarily was on his own. Again at whose expense was power rotated to the south? It was still at the expense of the south definitely not the North. Alex Ekwueme was on a roller coaster to clinch power as Abacha had decimated most of the strong poltical juggernauts in the country by death, imprisonment or exile . It would perhaps have been a battle royale between Ekwueme and Ige/Falae. No Northern political heavy was in sight and IBB would have been so odious had he come out then. More odious than now. Those figures were all unnacceptable to him and his constituency so he played a fast one killing 4 birds with one stone.

1/ Play the south against themselves as before and deny the SE power as a continuation of the civil war.
2/Pay lip service to assuaging the SW and Nadeco on June12 and Abiola by foisting on them a candidate he believed would not rock the boat.
3/ Appear generous to the South by rotating power to them when actually the election was theirs to lose. All these three were to lead up to the season finale,
4/ Reposition and take back power to the North through himself after 8 years of the token given to the south.

Of course against his expectation OBJ rocked the both and thwarted this by foisting his own man on the North, someone IBB would not morally contest against and then
God took over and the rest is the history he is trying so had to rewrite.

I have always maintained that IMO IBB, and most of the core North, is not sincere about power rotation . If so they would have constrained Abubakar to include it in the 1999 constitution as, I gather, Abacha wanted to before his demise. Nothing would have stopped them. If so all these arguments now for or against zoning would have been moot. Ohaneze has seen through all this to come to the conclusion they reached after their consultations. Of course I know there are many fair minded Northerners. To them I apologise if they feel I have been too hard at my analysis of the Northern Power mongery. However they will agree with me that there are Northern folks who think that they own Nigeria, the way Tompolo says he owns MEND, and parcel out power to whom and when and to the tune they want. They must be stopped before they disintegrate Nigeria. This is a time they must pull back and allow Jonathan. It is the will of Allah. Ta ta

Poor Phillip, you cannot survive this 'panel of inquiry' since it is getting tribal. Positions are now hardening. Even some normally fair -minded folks will no longer be ready to entertain a view contrary to their tribe's perceived view. Reason, bandwagon effect. Sorry Phillip.

For many of your Protagonists, your critics are against you because of your tribe even though they have not been able to refute the fact that some of your tribesmen and women were in the forefront of your cricitism by stating categorically that those men or women are not the alpha and omega of knowledge or that jealousy or PHD syndrome does not respect tribal affiliations or that tribes do have saboteurs . Why? Because it will destroy their argument of a tribal gang-up. CHECK.

For many of your antagonists, you are gone. Tails they win, heads you lose. Your IQ score must have been cooked. If it was not then no wonder you had the brain capacity to perfect such a monumental fraud that beat CNN, BBC, AL Jazeera, NTA, SATV,CCTV, TIme magazine, guardian The sun, , Bill Clinton, George Bush, Obama, Bill Gates, CIA, FIB, NASA, etc. Boy you are the king of scam artists. Why not use your high IQ for something positive ;like finding the cure for AIDS, Cancer, tribalism and corruption in Nigeria. You can even do one better and find a cure for death. But even if you do and some folks take the death defying pills, do not be shocked when they say you spiced up the drug so that the pills will make them live only a thousand years instead of eternally. Poor phillip. You did something scientific in 1989, since then you are no longer doing anything scientific. Meanwhile they have never been to your lab, known your daily itinerary or plans or asked you what scientific things yo are doing now. Conjecture. They say you claim to do this and that but cannot provide links on where you claimed that. No you have deleted all evidence by scrapping your first website where it was. Yes they saw it boldly pasted there but now you crashed the internet you fathered and built another one so all traces of your claims have been deleted from the internet's memory. Blimey, they forgot that you are the chief programmer of ECHELON and bids it do your every whim. CHECK.

Your salvation could have come from a very  small percentage who did not weigh in on the tribal divide but agreed that you are a genius indeed and not a fraud but for only one thing. You  had no contributions to the development of the Internet so how could you be referred to as one of the fathers since your name is not mentioned in the list of the writers of the protocols and programmes and REFs and RIGS and GRITs of the Internet. Wow. The 65,000 computations you did that helped push the boundaries of mathematics, physics, communications,etc and produced the fastest computer that is being used in the oil industry is great but  counts for nothing in the Internet world.  A few others say get a PHD with your big brain and publish your protocols and findings and we will believe. Sounds like Judea 2000 years ago.  CHECKMATE? NO. STALEMATE.

Sorry Phillip. Poor Phillip. Look for your acquital from another jury. This  NL(your compatriots') Jury is hung.

carry go GEJ

SAD!!!! So sad!!!!!

1025:
one down and more pls.
killing any pdp chieftain is a perfect way of reducing corruption in nigeria.
the more pdp chietains they kill, the lower the corruption rate.

Are you human at all?

Where were they all this while the kidnappers held Aba by the jugular?

[/quote][quote author=jason12345 link=topic=545663.msg7081736#msg7081736 date=1288930359]what are you saying? so, we should not defend our people against terror?

ethnic cleansing wtf>>> if the yorubas and the hausa actually wanted ethnic cleansing then biafra war would have been the best time to wipe igbos out BUT NO!!!! GOD FORBID IT!!!! WE CANNOT WIPE OUR BROTHERS BECAUSE OF ONE MAN'S GREED (OJUKWU).

and brother stop patronising the ijaws, its pathetic. instead, face the truth!!!

Please educate me. What really is ethnic cleansing? If events of 66 to 70 do not describe it, what else could? Were they not worse than Rwanda and Bosnia? Do you have to wipe out a people before you cleanse them? Do you have to kill a man before you know you have cleansed him of a supposed affliction? The events of those years, the scorched earth war programme  , the loss of able bodied, intelligent, skilled, educated and talented budding young men and women ,etc are best not spoken of in such a trivial manner as less than ethnic cleansing as if the brutality of those days were not sufficient. I can only see Hiroshima, Nagasaki and Auschwiz as worse. Probably those are the only examples of man's inhumanity to man that you see as ethnic cleansing.

Please let the dead rest in peace.

Sir your stand is that the zoning in PDP constitution should be upheld above every other thing. Have you looked at Ohanezes historic position that power rotation should be among the zones and not between North and South which the North shot down at Abacha's constitutional conference which eventually did not see the light of day.? Is it to be assumed that because PDP is said to have adopted the North's view in their constitution that Ohaneze should jettison their historic stand? No sir. An organization leading one of the largest tribes in the Nation must maintain their stand unless there is a painfully contrary National Consensus via an acceptable or accepted forum like an SNC or National Conference or plebiscite,etc, which PDP constitution, whose zoning arrangement was crafted by a handful of insincere and self seeking politicians, clearly does not represent. Ohaneze is standing true to their long held view about power rotation and should actually be praised for that steadfastness. Towing the Northern view as is said to be enshrined(?) in the PDP constitution would be what ought to have been seen as political suicide, unprincipled behaviour and fatally capitulating to Northern scheme .

Dede1:
The posted article allegedly from Ohanaeze or Uwechue in solidarity with GEJ presidency is a load of rubbish. The aforementioned article kept refereeing to either southeast or one goofy Eze Cletus Ilomuanya, who is the chairman of the Southeast Traditional Council. The question remains is Ohanaeze an exclusive entity of southeast?

I am ashamed to read statements devoid of intellect and substance that have been credited to Uwechue such as “agreement with some Northerners that Ndigbo should support them in 2011, so that in 2015 they will support Igbo Presidency did they consult Ohanaeze or the governors of the Southeast?” Who are the northerners in this case? If Uwechue is in a bid to torpedo a well constructed process under a constitutionally constituted political body such as PDP, I asked what nonsensical agreement he is talking about.

[b]One thinks that a man of Uwechue caliber should understand that a strike against PDP zoning is equally a strike against the so-called rotational presidency he kept referencing in the interview.

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Happy Wedlock sir.

This should have happened like 35 years ago. I pray it does not make another news in 35 years time on NL.

[quote author=tpia@ link=topic=530165.msg6995393#msg6995393 date=1287777281]**still wondering why this topic made the news**[/quote]

[quote author=tpia@ link=topic=537356.msg6996796#msg6996796 date=1287795212]na wa for anti-nigerian sentiment.[/quote]Pray where is that? The guy is looking for straws to catch in order not to sink politically. Sad.

PhysicsMHD:
It's hilarious to reread this thread only to encounter the ramblings of this worthless i.mbecile Onlytruth who is clearly prejudiced against Nigerian minorities because Ijaws (some Ijaws)-who by the way were never Igbo slaves, and had every right to choose to go their own way and not be swallowed into a Biafra that they never signed up for or agreed to en masse-fought against Biafra.

And this same mindless goon was talking in that "True extent of Alaigbo (Igboland)" thread about how Biafra should possibly include Edo state and parts of the middle belt! If Edos are a "microscopic minority" don't be silly enough to try to force them into Biafra as they will be of no benefit to that state. Despite being a "microscopic minority" they managed to achieve more in their existence prior to Nigeria than many different larger African groups.

You can find truth in the most uncommon places, but not in that clown's postings.

It is intellectual dishonesty presenting only one side of a story without balancing it out with the other. I followed that thread you mentioned and I will like you to present here his response to you when you challenged him on the point you are here raising. That will make for balance before you can now reiterate your point. Please. You are one of the folks I respect his intellectual and unbiased approach to things not that I agree with all . Please uphold that here.

AP what? Which faction?

[quote author=~Bluetooth link=topic=534775.msg6995096#msg6995096 date=1287774170]I think it has gone beyond comic to achieve any point against Philip.Playing a game of satire with the case will simply mean that he actually was what he arrogated to himself and the world is only trying to bring him down.[/quote]A great Daniel has indeed arisen and  has come to judgement. All hail! His Lordship. Quintessential judge, jury and audience.

ezeagu:
Some people don't get it. Anyway, that is why I am counting on Philip Emeagwali to invent an internet satire text!

SECONDED

[quote author=~Bluetooth link=topic=534775.msg6992379#msg6992379 date=1287750603]ROTFL. . .this guy wicked o ![/quote]

guddsid:
flushhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!! this crap just went down my toilet

Satire is a hard subject to understand. Chess is a tough game. Jurisprudence too as well as International espionage.

Poor Phillip, you cannot survive this 'panel of inquiry' since it is getting tribal. Positions are now hardening. Even some normally fair -minded folks will no longer be ready to entertain a view contrary to their tribe's perceived view. Reason, bandwagon effect. Sorry Phillip.

For many of your Protagonists, your critics are against you because of your tribe even though they have not been able to refute the fact that some of your tribesmen and women were in the forefront of your cricitism by stating categorically that those men or women are not the alpha and omega of knowledge or that jealousy or PHD syndrome does not respect tribal affiliations or that tribes do have saboteurs . Why? Because it will destroy their argument of a tribal gang-up. CHECK.

For many of your antagonists, you are gone. Tails they win, heads you lose. Your IQ score must have been cooked. If it was not then no wonder you had the brain capacity to perfect such a monumental fraud that beat CNN, BBC, AL Jazeera, NTA, SATV,CCTV, TIme magazine, guardian The sun, , Bill Clinton, George Bush, Obama, Bill Gates, CIA, FIB, NASA, etc. Boy you are the king of scam artists. Why not use your high IQ for something positive ;like finding the cure for AIDS, Cancer, tribalism and corruption in Nigeria. You can even do one better and find a cure for death. But even if you do and some folks take the death defying pills, do not be shocked when they say you spiced up the drug so that the pills will make them live only a thousand years instead of eternally. Poor phillip. You did something scientific in 1989, since then you are no longer doing anything scientific. Meanwhile they have never been to your lab, known your daily itinerary or plans or asked you what scientific things yo are doing now. Conjecture. They say you claim to do this and that but cannot provide links on where you claimed that. No you have deleted all evidence by scrapping your first website where it was. Yes they saw it boldly pasted there but now you crashed the internet you fathered and built another one so all traces of your claims have been deleted from the internet's memory. Blimey, they forgot that you are the chief programmer of ECHELON and bids it do your every whim. CHECK.

Your salvation could have come from a very  small percentage who did not weigh in on the tribal divide but agreed that you are a genius indeed and not a fraud but for only one thing. You had no contributions to the development of the Internet so how could you be referred to as one of the fathers since your name is not mentioned in the list of the writers of the protocols and programmes and REFs and RIGS and GRITs of the Internet. Wow. The 65,000 computations you did that helped push the boundaries of mathematics, physics, communications,etc and produced the fastest computer that is being used in the oil industry is great but  counts for nothing in the Internet world.  A few others say get a PHD with your big brain and publish your protocols and findings and we will believe. Sounds like Judea 2000 years ago.  CHECKMATE? NO. STALEMATE.

Sorry Phillip. Poor Phillip. Look for your acquital from another jury. This  NL(your compatriots') Jury is hung.

[quote author=~Bluetooth link=topic=534775.msg6976816#msg6976816 date=1287561606]Einstein has an IQ score of 160 but today he's recognized as an important icon in the world of physics ! Did he spice his credentials to achieve such feat ? No[/quote]You alleged that he bribed his way to fame and then put question marks on his other degrees and I showed you that he was a genius ( 140 and above scores are regarded as Genius) and asked you whether you think he bribed the IQ testers you now went off into another tangent about Einstein without adressing the first. In other words if I disprove your new argument. you are going to veer off into another one. That is intellectual dishonesty akin to the same allegation you have against Emeagwali. If this is how you conduct youe arguments, sorry I'm out.

It is all politics. Reach the youths the best way you can as well as the elderly, the Igbos, the Northerners, the students, the kanuris, the kemberis, the religious, the politicians, Anambrarians,etc. speak the language they will understand. For all the holier than thou-s, be informed: ITS ALL POLITICS, STU.PID. (Sorry, just  imitating  Clinton's jingle). I do not understand why you find it difficult to see.