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Jonathan all the way. No Northern tokenism. No Northern pretences of sudden loads of love for Ndigbo.Which VP has ever been a P in Nigeria? Only one. GEJ. God's choice. GEJ all the way.

Jonathan all the way. No Northern tokenism.

We dey laugh. So una think sey na rhyming go help una. Why not try iambic pentameter or invite Dennis Brutus to compose another sonnet for una wey pass A troubadour I traverse. May 29 2011 will tell the story. So on May 29 we stand.

Very horrible personage.
Spawn of the devil
Incarnation of the Antichrist.
Merciless to satanic proportions.

Took out very promising young men, despoiling their wives in the process.
Forced men to sleep with their daughters and boys with their sisters.
Stole men, journalists, school children,etc in broad daylight.
Impoverished families and sent folks on self-exile.
Punctuated the livelihood of many and stranglulated the industry of Aba

Osisikankwu, from which wing of the pit of hell ascended thy possessing spirit?
May Aba never suffer the experience of thy perverted soul ever again.
May Abia never set eyes on even a reflection of thy image ever again.
May Ndigbo, yeah Nigeria never experience thy incarnation in ther midst ever again.

Weep no more thou traumatized and ravished women.
Cry no more thou widowed, widower-ed and orphaned,
Wipe your tears Dr Stan's wife, children, siblings and friends.
The leader of your tormentors has departed to whence he came.
His followers will soon follow suit
As well as their sponsors
Except they confess, repent, return and seek redemption.

Rejoice again Enyimba city and shout for joy.
Thou that has been ravished, ravaged, pillaged and pilloried
Sing once again and dance
For they that held you captive are on the run
And will soon completely fall

Sounds of singing, dancing, jubillation will be heard in you again;
Thy gloom is turning to beauty,
Thy darkness to light,
Thy disgrace to grace,
Thy story to glory
And thy zero to hero

Rejoice Oh beloved city
Pride of the East
Jewel of Abia,
Refuge of the poor but industrious,
Beautifier of the wretched.
Succour to the abandoned.


Let Singing ring from the Hills of Ogbo down to the valleys of Aba River.
From the streets of Faulks through Ariaria, down to Ohanku.
From the slums through GRA down to Osisioma.
Let songs reverberate with melodious tunes on harps, guitars, tambourines, drums and all manner of musical instruments.
From PH Road through Asa down to Aba/owerri Road.

Remove thy mourning clothes and put on the garment of Praise,
For you still are Aba-na-anya
And thy Redeemer is Mighty
And He has come to save you.

Blazay:
Oh shattap.
A dunce like Jonathan "Badluck' rises to power in a place like Nigeria and some one like this Daboh of a clown is telling the world it defies explanations?


What a ret.ard!

Thank you "Jonathan Badluck" supporters. We know how your dummy got there. OBJ put him there.

It is such simplistic views about GEJ that keep leaving his opponents wide open for the suckerpunch. No wahala.

Hope has come to Imo

The killing of those young men was terrible wickedness.

Better than been projected to be a failed state like Afghanistan

With the expose from Wikileaks , do folks still doubt the capability of Shell framing Wiwa?

Jarus:
Unfortunately, we are restricting it to Nigerians.

Ok Then but I used the word 'honorary' not de facto. An honorary list could include non Nigerians as well as late ones.

@ Jarus
May I nominate Julian Asange as an Honorary member to the Hall of Fame.

Boboribo:
@houvest - on GEJ you must be from the moon.

Well Can you dispassionately and with facts rebutt any of my points. If not please make your own nominations and leave me to my judgements.

Jarus:
For the first time, I'm reading an inaccurate comment from Ibime.

Oh Please!

Within 2010, He rose from a VP to AgP to substantive President and a  full term President-in-waiting. He led Nigeria into her Jubilee, has held the Nation together and despite few misteps has remained focussed in governance, introducing a novel interactive internet accessibility to the presidency for the first time in Nigeria if not Africa through his Facebook page. He has rolled out a realisable plan for the power sector and will soon roll out his economic blueprint. Despite all his success stories from a teacher to a DGov to Gov to VP, AgP and now President and president in waiting  in a matter of years, he remains unassuming ,simple and humble, The recent wikileaks exposes have re-affirmed his sincerety. His traducers just make  hasty and generic verdicts of incompetence and cluelessness without any definitive issues to point to just as a way to call a dog a bad name in order to hang it. They accuse him of attempting to bribe SNG but the leader of the group had come out to debunk it. They accuse him of not honouring a vague and unconstitutional party zoning arrangement instead of eulogising him for defending the constitution he swore to. They call him weak and fearful and forget how he fired Aondaaka, Dambazu, IGP Onovo and the entire Military and Security Command and is presently taking on the oldest and toughest cabal in black Africa. Please give it up for Goodluck Ebele Azikiwe Jonathan, President of the Federal Republic of Nigeria for NL Hall of Fame.

2 Innoson for his bold and innovative stride in the Auto Industry
3/ The Nigerian Army contingent that restored sanity to Aba and the SE
4/ Gov Chibuike Amechi for his acts and ways in Rivers State exemplified in his 606060 schemes.
5/ The Judiciary for some landmark judgements in Ekiti and Osun States as they had done in Anambra, and Rivers previously.


Hall of Shame Nominees
1 Osisikankwu and his horde of kidnappers for holding Aba and the Nation by the jugular for several months killing many innocent Nigerians one of whom is a personal Doctor-Friend.
2/ The Fulani cattle rearers that  cowardly and viciously hacked to death innocent  Birom children and women in Plateau State
3/Turai yaradua and her  Katsina mafia  for nearly plunging the Nation into bloodshed
4/ Yerima for paedophilia thereby working against the laws of the FGN that he is sworn as a senator to uphold
5/ Governor Oji for losing control of security in his state and for running the state aground with  little or no development projects after 3 and half years in the saddle.
6/Gov Ohakim for 419 governance in Imo State fully displayed in his fleecing of unemployed graduates with the promise of jobs and  also for several reports of physical abuse of citizens.

The US no dey play with their Tax o. They wan use am set example to other hollywood and celebrity tax-dodgers. Pele Snipes. You were one of my favourite hollywood stars. Hope you will come out and bounce back to make another US Marshals, Passenger 57, 7 seconds, Liberty stands still, Rising Sun, Blade trilogy, murder at 1600, etc. Please do not try to act 'Undisputed' in Jail inspite of your Karate skills because film na film nobi reality. I will miss you and your intelligent and extraordinary displays shaa for these three years. We dey wait.

EFCC where are thou? Wikileaks is supplying you info free of charge.

IBB will find a way of contesting by hook or by crook. Why wont an old man leave the turf for younger folks and retire peacefully?

tensor777:
Once again you are bringing up unnecessary sentiment into a very simple matter. Wiwa's execution had nothing whatsoever to do with karma or his hatred for the Igbos.
He was simply executed for incitement to commit mass murder. The murder of 4 prominent Ogoni sons. There is no conspiracy theory about  this matter.

@ Ibime.
I leave you with the above quote from Tensor which we have done justice to. I am out since you want to stick to your original comment as I presume you are waiting to duel with the Biafra apologists unnecessarily. All the best.

Ibime:
This is not the first time we're discussing Saro on here. Some peeps of Biafran persuasion have pronounced him guilty because of unconnected events 40 years ago.

If you asked me to guess where Tensor is from, I could place him with 50% certainty.

I prefer purism in such discourses instead of assumptions. Assumption 1 Tensor must be Igbo
2/ All Igbos support Biafra
3/ Therfore tensor must support Biafra
4/ All those who support Biafra wanted Wiwa dead
5/  Conclusion Tensor must be Igbo, must support Biafra and so must have wanted Wiwa dead QED.

You yourself would see how skewed such reasoning is and how it ends up reducing you before your reader. So is it not better to stick to intellectual purism based on facts?

There is no need for the bolded. Tensor never mentioned that so where did you bring that from? Dont belittle your argument

Ibime:
And this is breaking news by Tensor!!!

So you have now gone from "incitement" to "direct order" to murder?

I wonder why Abachas junta did not bring this up in the court case, but Tensor is privvy to such info.


And those same youths have since testified to being bribed hence Saros family was awarded x million dollars.

The whole world has dotted the i's and crossed the t's and[b] few negros are still yarning opata because Saro opposed Biafra.[/b]If you followed the events of the wanton looting, despoil and murder of Ogoni villages during that period, you will know that anyone seen as sympathetic to the Nigerian Government could get it!

And yes, Saro did criticise the so called leaders several times. Why not?

tensor777:
^^No one says Wiwa physically took part in the killings or that he was in Ogoni land at the time of the killings. The question is what was the nature the communication between him and the NYCOP( National Youth Council of Ogoni People) hierarchy immediately prior to the frenzied killings. Anyway I don't want to believe that these youths  just rose up in a frenzy against their own elders without receiving incendiary information and instructions against them.
More to the point, is that some of these disaffected Ogoni youths have confessed to me that indeed Wiwa was truly guilty of incitement to murder on the day.

Sir , surely you realize that your argument here is no more rational. Even it you were their father-confessor, would you really take these confessions as incontrovertible evidence? After  your opponents have punctured the  transparency of the procedures used to convict and hang Wiwa and co, showing that Wiwa was not in ogoni on the said day and asking whether incitement if proven was actually a capital offence you are now bringing up these so called confessions as a plank to lean on. There is a serious attempt on your part to justify Wiwas execution. I am just wondering why you are doing this.

tensor777:
Really I don't know where you are heading to with this your one track argument. Have we now moved from discussing Wiwa's guilt and complicity to the overall fairness of the tribunal that convicted him? Is that not a stooge or homme de paille argument?
After all, some people here have been snidely purporting that Wiwa was a victim of extra -judicial killing which was not the case. There was a well-defined judicial process that was followed that led ultimately to his execution.
In that wise, there is no reason whatsoever to single his case out of the cases of scores of coup plotters, armed robbers, and bandits that have been tried, convicted and summarily executed by the ad-hoc tribunals set up  by the then Federal Military Government.

Sir I do not follow your logic. Can you honestly determine the guilt and complicity or innocence of Wiwa without looking at the authority that declared him so as well as the procedure used to arrive at such? are you justifying the procedure used because it has been used many times before and therefore need not be questioned. I keep asking you this question and you have not addressed it: why was their an International uproar? Just give me your opinion on that then we can take it from there.

tensor777:
You are seriously asking in which court did they defend themselves? Well the Ibrahim Auta civil disturbances tribunal. If you purport that the trial was not fully transparent then that is another matter. Its just like saying suspected armed robbers convicted by sundry armed robbery tribunals in Nigeria also need to have their cases looked into.
Did they- the Ogoni 9 plan and/or carry out the mass murders? Yes incontrovertibly.

Instead of repeating myself, let me just copy and paste again what I HAVE BEEN SAYING ALL ALONG: It is possible Saro Wiwa was guilty but was his Trial transparent? Why a Military Tribunal instead of a Civil Court? Were the requirements for sentencing in such a case fully satisfied ie 'proof beyond a shadow of doubt'? Why the hurried execution? These fresh evidence need to be looked into to arrive at a verdict on the culpability or otherwise of Abacha, Shell,etc

If that Judgement and the subsequent Capital Punishment met the irreducible minimum for a fair Trial and the verdict was  incontrovertible like you said, why the International outrage,  Global condemnation and different Sanctions on Nigeria then? I guess Abacha  and his Tribunal were right and the rest of the world was wrong?   That wrong steps to purnishment have been employed  before by various military  dictators in Nigeria does not justify its continuation.

tensor777:
Yet you are the one bringing sentiments into the whole affair. Say what you like about the trial conviction and hanging of the Ogoni 9 but at least they had a more dignified chance to defend themselves in a court of law compared with their victims the Ogoni 4 - Edward Kobani (Wiwa's onetime benefactor), Albert Badey (a former Secretary to Rivers State Government), Theophilus Orage and Sam Orage (Wiwa's brothers-in-law),  who were literally hacked and chopped to pieces by a frenzied mob.
It is for this heinous crime that they were hanged and not because of Ojukwu or Wiwa's post civil war actions against Igbos in Port Harcourt.

Which sentiments did I bring, sir? Hope you are not seeing double. Did you really understand this: It is possible Saro Wiwa was guilty but was his Trial transparent? Why a Military Tribunal instead of a Civil Court? Were the requirements for sentencing in such a case fully satisfied ie 'proof beyond a shadow of doubt'? Why the hurried execution? These fresh evidence need to be looked into to arrive at  a verdict on the  culpability or otherwise of Abacha, Shell,etc
Where is Wiwa mentioned there in connection with what you wrote about his postwar activities? Blimey.  Again in which court of law  did they defend themselves? Even if Wiwa was culpable in the murder of the Ogoni 4, Justice can only be said to be done if he faced a fair trial. A kangaroo Court or tribunal is just what it is : 'A kangaroo Court/ Tribunal'. That was why Nigeria was punished by the International Community.

victorazy:
Ken schooled in Umuahia "Government College" and still he betrayed Biafra (Nemesis: Inevitable retribution)

Please enough already. Let's have your views on why he should have supported Biafra not just that he was an Umuahian. Does being an umuahian translate directly that you must be a Biafran supporter? Do you know that even some Igbos  like Asika, Ike Nwachukwu,etc also opposed Biafra  and some non-Easterners like Soyinka supported it. You might win sympathy if you argue persuasively on why he should have supported Biafra. Don't just come with the Govt College angle.

micklplus:
We regret d killing of saro wiwa. Why would the act of jst one person/some irrelevant groups  be used to judge a whole region? When are we gon move past tribalist bashing and war in naija? Is this how change wud come? Ojukwu dis, okuntimo dat! Awolowo dis, northerners dat! Abegi, make we forge ahead jor

Thanks. Why should folks bring ethnicity  into a clearly extrajudicial killing? It is possible Saro Wiwa was guilty but was his Trial transparent? Why a Military Tribunal instead of a Civil Court? Were the requirements for sentencing in such a case fully satisfied ie 'proof beyond a shadow of doubt'? Why the hurried execution? These fresh evidence need to be looked into to arrive at  a verdict on the  culpability or otherwise of Abacha, Shell,etc

OH NO. MY sympathies, Governor.

[quote author=bk.babe97y link=topic=563027.msg7290205#msg7290205 date=1291746221]Ojukwu went all over the world trying to justify why Saro Wiwa had to be killed!!![/quote]Source please.

bk.babe97y quotes
In 1995, Ojukwu signed government documents identifying himself as a witness to the death of writer Mr. Ken Saro Wiwa, whom Ojukwu had counted as an enemy since the collapse of Biafra's secessionist movement. Minus [citation needed]

It's like you carefully cut off the citation part in your earlier post.  Everybody knows that an uncited Wiki entry  is worth next to nothing. I can go to Wiki right now and edit that entry out, tomorrow, some other NL forumite can go and edit it back in and add even more sensational item in other to cite it the next day. As long as the entry has no citation backing it, it is worth poo.NL could do with a lot more intellectual honesty. Sensationalising of issues is really to score what point?

I do not think that he should replace Chukwumerije in the senate. Nigeria still needs him there. He should try and replace Oji.

Wonderful equivocation. Thanks all the same. Half bread is , ,

SapeleGuy:
I actually think we are violently agreeing, the article was poorly researched. Please see the timing of your post and mine, the apology you seek was tendered long ago. I can't accuse an entire race, that would be imprudent just as it was sheer folly for the poster to claim Igbo created an entire geo political zone, how can this be possible when they are still struggling to create 1 state?

@ Sapele.
I have waited all this while for you to bring out one link even a fraction of a link to prove your assertions about Ndigbo working against the creation of Anioma state and you kept perambulating from one allegation to another. Why not be honest on this thread and follow the examples of others who have apologized for their mistakes on this same thread ; eg Dede you demanded a concession from and he gave it, etc. Do you prefer to insist on your lies against Ndigbo like many others or set a good example for them to follow? I leave you with this latin quote.
Ei incumbit probatio qui dicit, non qui negat  (the burden of proof rests on who asserts, not on who denies).