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Wow. Very important UN statement. This is an opening to all victims of inhumanity in this Nation from long ago to cash into and take their cases to UN. If well managed, it could lead to a roller coaster similiar to Nuremberg and eventually bring about a referendum to the Nationalities of Nigeria about how they want to continue. I am really surprised that UN did not allow herself to be harmstrung by Nigerian sovereignity and political correctness to remain silent but have thrown their hats into the ring and suddenly made the BH issue an international concern especially since UN office and staff in Abuja have also been BH victims. I do not see this UN and international involvement going away any time soon but would want all agrieved to cash in on it to gain the necessary momentum needed to convince UN to move from statements to actions as we were discussing on the Utomi topic : https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=844188.msg9951889#msg9951889. |
ShangoThor:Agreed but it Appears that the UN needs some sort of convincing because of the sovereignity of the republic. I wish they could be more pro-active than reactionary. However we need to take our destiny in our hands and commence the process of convincing them. |
PointB:Agreed but I am not thinking of a demand by only the Igbo but a national movement like the those for independence indicating to the whole world that living together has had more evils than advantages. The Igbo can go it alone if other groups do not identify with it but that should not be the first c ourse of action but alast resort. Every right thinking Nigerian should by now be thinking of how we should seperate peacefully not violently. More calls by prominent Nigerians like Utomi need to ring out all over the Nation to trigger this off. Though his remarks were directed towards BH but the same principle applies to the whole Nation. |
[quote author=ekt_bear link=topic=844188.msg9949221#msg9949221 date=1326375473]A good question. I wonder how useful one of those electronic petitions would be? E.g. from change.org? If we had 500,000 people sign their names saying that they want a plebiscite in Nigeria, surely that would be enough to garner some attention? I'm not sure.[/quote]I think it would carry more weight if different petitions come from the different ethnic groups rather than a joint petition. |
PointB:How do we get this going? |
@ Birdman and Hollandis. Classical cases of leaving the message and shooting the messenger. So What is your panacea for the BH issue. |
The greatest is security of life and property. Other things will follow because where there is life there is hope. |
[quote author=ekt_bear link=topic=844188.msg9947553#msg9947553 date=1326357679]Good talk from Utomi. A UN supervised plebiscite throughout all of Nigeria would be most welcome.[/quote]I agree totally. Who Knows how we can activate it? Perhaps as many Geo-political zones as possible should make representations to the UN to come over to Macedonia and help us. |
DanKan0:So what are your own suggestions to Boko Haram beside laughing? |
Kobojunkie:And how do we know that they speak only for themselves except there is a plebiscite to determine this? If such a plebiscite exposes them as self-serving, will it not have achieved the objective of stopping their violent campaigns or making them have a rethink. PU is not calling them legit but asking them to make themselves so ie to follow proper protocols to ventillate their desire. What is dumb about it? But if you insist it is dumb, Can you proffer your own alternatives for the BH issue. |
Brilliant. If really they have not been hijacked by those with a political agenda and only have aversion to Western education/ Civilisation, they will seize on these options and try to carve out an enclave for themselves and their followers. |
I watched the video message to Nigerians from the leader of the Boko Haram sect and my view is that there isn't any need to quarrel or fight over anything that is the preference of any group of people in this age of self determination. All that the sect leader and his people need do is organize a referendum to show that they and the people in certain parts of Nigeria reject certain things (whethe, r Christianity, foreigners, or Western Education) and seek a plebiscite for that part of the country to be structured in a particular way in a confederal arrangement or be excised from the federation of Nigeria. They could even invite the United Nations to superintend the process of becoming an enclave confederating with the rest of Nigeria without any trauma. But to kill in God's name is to dishonor any faith that I know of whether it be Christianity, Islam or Confucianism. PU http://www.facebook.com/#!/Utomi |
rhymz:Good analysis.Everybody shine your eyes o. Agwo no n'akirika. |
All those saying Igbo will suffer or will be land-locked and other bla, why are you crying more than the bereaved? Let them go and suffer na. Wetin.Why all the false concern? Are they better of now that they are being killed all over the place? Why should a man spend his whole life in another part of the country toilling everyday for himself and his family and one night his life, his family ,his investments are swallowed up by dagger-wielding or AK-toting weed-smoking illiterate riff-rafs. If he had any survivors, they relocate to another place and start life afresh with an uncertain future and with no parents may descend into crime or prostitution. What sort of life is that? What sort of Country is that? |
@ Olodostein. Thank God you are wiser now. |
LONDON (AFP) - Nobel laureate Prof Wole Soyinka warned on Tuesday that his country was heading towards a civil war, blaming political leaders who spread religious intolerance. Asked whether he agreed with President Goodluck Jonathan that the current unrest was worse than the 1960s civil war, he told the BBC World Service: “It’s not an unrealistic comparison — it’s certainly based on many similarities. Prof Wole Soyinka “We see the nation heading towards a civil war.” Soyinka was also asked whether the unrest threatened the state of Nigeria itself, and replied: “It is going that way. We no longer can pretend it’s not. “When you’ve got a situation where a bunch of people can go into a place of worship and open fire through the windows, you’ve reached a certain dismal watershed in the life of that nation.” Soyinka said the issues raised by Islamist group Boko Haram, which was blamed for violence targeting Christians in the north of Nigeria and has sparked fears of a wider religious conflict, had been brewing for some time. “There are people in power in certain parts of the country, leaders, who quite genuinely and authoritatively hate and cannot tolerate any religion outside their own,” he said. “When you combine that with the ambitions of a number of people who believe they are divinely endowed to rule the country and who… believe that their religion is above whatever else binds the entire nation together, and somehow the power appears to slip from their hands, then they resort to the most extreme measures. “Youths who have been indoctrinated right from infancy can be used, and who have been used, again and again to create mayhem in the country.” He added: “Those who have created this faceless army have lost control.” Soyinka, a dramatist and essayist, became Africa’s first Nobel laureate in literature when he won the prize in 1986. http://www.vanguardngr.com/2012/01/nigeria-heading-for-civil-war-soyinka/ |
10- Point agenda. No mention of insecurity. No mention of curbing the BH menace. They are spitting on the dead bodies of those slain by Boko Haram and they expect their relations to join in the protest. They leave out the greatest evil in Nigeria today and show no sympathies to the victims. The innocent blood of the victims will keep crying out at the insincerety and hollowness of the protest. Listen to Soyinka: [b]LONDON (AFP) - Nobel laureate Prof Wole Soyinka warned on Tuesday that his country was heading towards a civil war, blaming political leaders who spread religious intolerance. Asked whether he agreed with President Goodluck Jonathan that the current unrest was worse than the 1960s civil war, he told the BBC World Service: “It’s not an unrealistic comparison — it’s certainly based on many similarities. Prof Wole Soyinka “We see the nation heading towards a civil war.” Soyinka was also asked whether the unrest threatened the state of Nigeria itself, and replied: “It is going that way. We no longer can pretend it’s not. “When you’ve got a situation where a bunch of people can go into a place of worship and open fire through the windows, you’ve reached a certain dismal watershed in the life of that nation.” Soyinka said the issues raised by Islamist group Boko Haram, which was blamed for violence targeting Christians in the north of Nigeria and has sparked fears of a wider religious conflict, had been brewing for some time. “There are people in power in certain parts of the country, leaders, who quite genuinely and authoritatively hate and cannot tolerate any religion outside their own,” he said. “When you combine that with the ambitions of a number of people who believe they are divinely endowed to rule the country and who… believe that their religion is above whatever else binds the entire nation together, and somehow the power appears to slip from their hands, then they resort to the most extreme measures. “Youths who have been indoctrinated right from infancy can be used, and who have been used, again and again to create mayhem in the country.” He added: “Those who have created this faceless army have lost control.” Soyinka, a dramatist and essayist, became Africa’s first Nobel laureate in literature when he won the prize in 1986. http://www.vanguardngr.com/2012/01/nigeria-heading-for-civil-war-soyinka/ [/b] |
mikeansy:Thanks so much for this Mike. Yes Why is MASSOB not using these daily events to leverage their representations to the UN and publicly too.? Why? |
With dry construction, Yes but man it is a real tall order. |
Onlytruth:Thanks so much Eze. The time is not even now but yesterday. |
I used to be a serious pan-Nigerianist but I have come to realise that the cost of Nigeria remaining one is the blood of so many innocents especially Igbos. This is not acceptable. Now I am a preacher of let us seperate in peace rather than in pieces. THE IGBO HIGH COMMAND NEEDS TO WAKE UP AND START BEING PRO=ACTIVE RATHER THAN REACTIONARY. Those men in Mubi, bread winners all, fathers all, responsible men all, mowed down at the prime of their lives have left widows and fatherless children with an uncertain future in such a hate-filled country. Such stories get to me personally very deeply. What was their crime? Did their kinsman plot another coup and kill Saudana and other leaders this time? So what will be the excuse this time than they were by accident of birth born in Eastern Nigeria.? I do not know whether such incidents affect others the way they affect me. As much as I am a critic of Igbos deciding to make their abode in the North even though I wonder if Mubi is a predominantly muslim enclave, I still realise that these are people that wanted to have their own state and protect themselves and determine their own destiny but thyey were dragged back by Nigeria and forced to remain there. It then behoves on the Nation that forced them back to provide them full security in any part of the Nation. Having said that, I believe that henceforth Igbos must not be caught napping lured to a false sense of security by the promise of protection by the FG. Wherever they are, even in the south, they must be prepared. For instance, they should not hold similiar town meetings without being armed to the teeth. Even in churches. I believe that self defense is a fundamental human right and is not against God's laws so yes even in the church, Igbos must be armed. Then at the regional level, the Igbos must be prepared like the state of Israel. If Israel that is 6 million strong can withstand the Arabs around them that are about 10 times more in number, why not the Igbo Nation that is over 40 million strong. I get mad at the lack of proactive-ness of the Igbo Nation inspite of the experiences of the past. Well, Present events need to make us to wake up from our slumber and realise that the war is not over. We just had a cease-fire. Look at the vast number of Igbo brains all over the world. Many in sensitive military positions, even of the super powers. I have no doubt that the Igbo Nation can easily develop nuclear capability. I know some Igbo folks in US and UK who can easily turn their inventions into military use if need be but is the Igbo Nation wholistically organising herself to use these folks in that regard? I do not mean patches of organisations like Town Unions or Trade Unions. Since it appears that Ohaneze is encumbered by her statesmanship outlook and MASSOB by her non-violence stand, Other groups geared toward Igbo defence must come on board. The Ogbunigwe group that spoke few weeks ago might be a good one but we still await what they are really made of. Meanwhile MASSOB must continue making her representations to the UN strengthening their arguments with recent events. They should also remove the issue of non-exodus in their agenda and encourage Ndigbo to start gradually selling their investments outside Igboland and investing eastwards or outside the Country or Continent and in friendly climes. At the local level, We must know our friends and enemies and strengthen our links with the SS stretch forth hands to SW and middle belt as well as Northern minority and christian peoples. We know that the whole Northern, Nigerian, African and World Muslims are not Pro- BH but when the push comes to shove, we know whom they will identify with. At the International level, developing relations with World Powers and other strong Nations must be pursued. We should start re-opening links with our war-time allies using Ikemba's burial the way he designed it. SELF DEFENCE IS A RIGHT NOT A PRIVILEDGE. |
Incredible. Within the space of One year plus. |
lmao |
Most enlightened Nigrians support the removal of the subsidy but are against the way and manner it was done. I do not attach much importance to Fani-Kayode's tirade against Okonjo-Iweala. He is entitled to his opinions but they do not carry much weight vis-a-vis his antecedents. I agree with him that the Breton Woods institutions are not God and cannot have all the panacea to Worlds economic problems. But in regards to oil subsidy removal, Bretton Woods and Okonjo-Iweala are right. The way and timing of the removal was wrong and should form the basis of discussions between the Government, Labour and the people. |
Wow. Sudan , Yogoslavia, Middle East? Which way Nigeria? TIME TO TALK IS NOW? |
I laugh in Boko Haram. |
Where is Marvel Akpoyibo, former CP Lagos State? |
The umbrella association of all socio-cultural organisations in the North, the Arewa Consultative Forum, ACF, the Gombe and Plateau State governments, Oodua People’s Congress, Nigerian Inter-religious Council, NIREC and the pan Yoruba’s Afenifere, yesterday, condemned the demand by the Muslim’s Boko Haram sect that southern Nigerian Christians living in the North leave the area within three days, describing such demand as not only empty but uncalled for. ACF saidBoko Haram could not speak for majority of Muslims, let alone for the whole North. The Plateau and Gombe state governments also reacted to the three days ultimatum, assuring that they would protect the lives of everybody living in their states irrespective of the tribe or religious inclinations. Boko Haram spokesman, Abdul Qaga, had told newsmen in a telephone interview Monday that Christian and other Southerners living in the North should leave the area, vowing to confront troops posted to curtail its activities in some volatile northern states. It’s an empty threat – Afenifere National leader of Afenifere, a pan Yoruba group, Pa Reuben Fasoranti, described as empty, the three-day ultimatum by Boko Haram as the events that would follow would be disastrous to everybody. However, the National Coordinator of Oodua People’s Congress, OPC, Otunba Gani Adams asked southerners living in the north lo leave to avoid blood bath just as the Niger Delta Group said the threat was aimed at bringing down the government. The Voice of Northern Christians Movement led by Pastor Musa Dikwa said the threat was empty. This was as NIREC urged Nigerians to disregard any threat from any group asking them to leave their houses, promising adequate security for every Nigerian living anywhere in the country. Jonathan is their target — N/Delta group A pressure group, Niger Delta Nationalities Forum, in Lagos State, said the threat by the Islamic sect was aimed at bringing down the government of President Goodluck Jonathan. In a telephone interview with Vanguard, chairman of the group, Mr Manager Seigha berated the group for making such a threat, noting: “The threat will not pay anyone. “Our group is of the view that they (Boko Haram) will be affected most. We also think they are trying to execute the promise they made to the President because they promised to make the country ungovernable for the president because he won the 2011 presidential elections. The threat has become political which is aimed at over-throwing his government. We are not afraid of the division of Nigeria because it will help us to develop at our own pace. We are ready if they (Boko Haram) want to divide this country.” Boko Haram can’t speak for North However, in its reaction, ACF, through its National Publicity Secretary, Mr Anthony Sani said: ‘’There have been such threats from both the south and the north of recent. But our attitudes have been that they are are better ignored, precisely because just as those from the south cannot speak for the good people of the south, Boko Haram cannot claim to speak for majority of Muslims,let alone for the North. In any case, there are Muslims in both North and South. “We still urge Boko Haram to use the available due process of addressing grievances in the country to address their concerns rather than harassing innocent people who are not even aware of what the sect stands for. ’’Constructive engagement for the purpose of true reconciliation that go with genuine forgiveness is about the only path to peaceful coexistence needed for socio-economic and political development of Nigeria.” Don’t be intimidated – Plateau govt Also, the Plateau State government has called on the people of the state not to be intimidated by the threat of Boko Haram sect to vacate the Northern part of the country, re-affirming government’s commitment to securing the lives and property of every citizen. Similarly, Senator representing Plateau South, Mr Victor Lar, has condemned the ultimatum, describing it as seditious. The state Commissioner for Information and Communication, Mr. Yiljap Abraham, who made government’s position known to Vanguard, yesterday, said the country’s constitution guarantees the right of every Nigerian to move freely and reside in any part of the country. “The Nigerian constitution gives liberty to all Nigerians to move freely without hinderance. Indeed, we call on the good people of Plateau to remain calm, be alert and refuse to be intimidated in any way, but to stay committed to all efforts in maintaining the peace toward a better Plateau,” he said. Lar in his reaction said the statement was inflammatory but should not be trivialized by government, stressing that a stop should be put to the impression that the more trouble you cause, the better attention you get from government. According to him,“we have created an impression that the harder you shoot, the more attention you get. Before now government has not been able to differentiate between popular community demand and criminality. All were lumped together under the name ‘agitation’ and this has led us to where we are today. ’’Amnesty in the South-South part of this country has created an impression that the harder you shoot, the better response you get from the government. “However, the government should not treat the ultimatum by the Boko Haram with kid gloves. Government can discuss with the group but not negotiation; they know them. But the ultimatum is highly seditious and it should be resisted.” Gombe govt assures residents Gombe State government in its reaction also assured residents living in the state especially, southerners of adequate protection of their lives and property even as the police in the state said “there is nothing that is getting out of hand as far as security is concerned.” Speaking in a telephone interview with Vanguard, the State Commissioner for Information, Rev. Habu Dawaki, said: “I assure you, Gombe State is a peaceful state and we have always lived in peace with everybody and we have not had any challenges and we will not have any challenge. We have all live in peace with each other. So, be rest assured that Gombe is the ultimate destination for peace”. Similarly, the State Commissioner of Police, Mr. Ebikeme Orubebe said although he was not aware of the said ultimatum, the police in the state were abreast of the security challenges in the country. ARP tasks N-Assembly African Renaissance Party, ARP, yesterday, urged the National Assembly to reconvene as a matter of national urgency, to help tackle the Boko Haram threats. Mr Udoka Udeogaranya, Lagos State chairman of ARP in a statement, said there was need for the lawmakers to enact a law that would punish perpetrators and ensure that everyone joins hands to end the menace. The party said: “It is our opinion that the ultimatum by the sect, amid a rising tide of violence, gives a profound recognition that punitive measures are needed. http://www.vanguardngr.com/2012/01/quit-threat-to-christians-acf-afenifere-opc-n-delta-group-nirec-others-react/ I HOPE ALL THESE ADVISERS ARE RIGHT |
I spent 21 years of my life in Lagos and there I learnt much about the Yorubas. My best friend in the university was a Yoruba boy whose mother is a Ghanaian . We were so close that at his wedding he sent for me all the way from kaduna to be his bestman. Few years later I flew with him and his father from Lagos to Enugu for the burial of one of his fathers friends(An Anambra man) that just died. They both schooled in UK and became close family friends there. I was shocked at the unprintable things the man was saying about Igbos, the ethnic group of his so-called friend he was going for his burial, when we got to Enugu Airport. And he knew that I could not confront him because of my friendship with his son and my respect for his age. However I was so disappointed with him at such tribalism from such an enlightened man at such an old age but that taught me a lot. So I am not at all surprised that Adegoke was caught off-guard and he had to spew his innermost thoughts. Having said that, I also do not want us to fall into the trap of over-generalisation. I have met some wonderful Yorubas especially among the good Christians who even in their inner-most thoughts do not harbour such ill toward Igbo. One of such gave me a help during my early career years in Lagos and allowed me the use of his two cars during my wedding. What we need to do is to be careful to discern one from the other so we do not fall into the same trap of prejudice and bigotry. The fact is that 1/ Some are outspoken about their Igbo-phobia 2/ Others perfectly hide it and appear to be your friends and only expose it when they are caught off-guard like Adegoke. Much of 1 and 2 belong to the older generation and children of real Igbo antagonists because of the prejudice they have been fed or bad experiences from bad Igbo apples. 3/ Some are really indifferent perhaps because of their upbringing like some I have met in UK and others that grew up abroad but can be influenced to either side by what they hear or read without actually having an experience or proof of the stereo-typing. 4/ The last group are friends of Ndigbo like late Adeniran Ogunsanya. I believe that there is a possibility of raproachment between the two ethnic groups especially with 3 and 4 above so we should discern who is who and know how to relate with them. |
|Na today? Fake news. |
load of crap. |
Like their counterparts all over the world, the Muslims of Nigeria do not trust Western powers and do not see them as capable of creating a level playing field for all. There is also no gainsaying the fact that Western powers are Christian nations. They cannot be expected to be fair in this matter,” the director said. Read. Do not allow Western Countries to come in, Allow us to use Al Qaeda, Iran, Yemen to finish your people. If the western Countries come in, they will upset the balance of power against us. |
