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Putinofrussia:
Stop the lie,sir.


Chairman of the Independent National Electoral Commission, Prof. Mahmood Yakubu has explained why, as always, the commission would not electronically transmit raw election figures on Saturday.

At a meeting with leaders of Foreign Election Observation Missions in Nigeria, Yakubu said Presiding Officers would rather, be required to use the Bimodal Voter Authentication System BVAS to photograph the result sheets of each polling unit and upload them on the INEC Result Viewing Portal IREV for Nigerians.

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According to him, the decision to not transmit raw figures electronically was taken to avoid the possibility of hacking into the system as raw figures are more vulnerable to hacks.


He said; “The BVAS confirms that the cards issued by the Commission and presented by the voter is genuine and the voter is authenticated using the fingerprints and where it failed, the facials. Where both fail, the voter can’t vote. That is a matter of law.

“After the process is completed at the polling uni6t, the image of the polling unit result will be taken by the BVAS and uploaded unto what we call the INEC Result Viewing Portal where citizens can see polling unit level results as the processes are completed at the polling unit level.

“The difference between what Kenya did in 2015 and what we are doing is that we are not transmitting raw figures for collation. In fact, the law does not allow for electronic collation of results. So, we don’t transmit raw figures because raw figures transmitted online are more susceptible to hacking while images of a document are not susceptible to hacking.

“Like every new technology, initially, it will present its own challenges. In the last elections in Osun and Ekiti, the BVAS performed well. But, this is the first time that we are deploying the machine for national elections. We conducted a mock accreditation exercise and the exercise had some issues which we have addressed.

“So, we are confident that on Saturday, the machines will work and perform optimally.”

Please, highlight an excerpt from the publication you posted that corroborate your claim that INEC chairman said that results from polling units won't be transmitted at real time anymore ?

Thank you in advance.

seunmsg:
I prefer news as reported by well known media platform like AIT than your biased and one sided thread.

Your choice,I respect that.

seunmsg:
The OP of the thread you’re referring me to stated from the first page that the thread was to report pro-Peter Obi events from the court. I don’t rely on information from such a partisan source.

You can choose any news source to rely on, that's your business.

Please everyone reading this news , it's very misleading.
I don't know what this guys are trying to achieve by deliberately misleading the public on the proceedings at the tribunal.

seunmsg:
You are the one trying to misinform the public. INEC chairman clearly stated before the election that results won’t be transmitted real time to IREV from polling units and the story was reported by leading national newspapers like Punch, tribune and Vanguard. Links were provided on the thread that was moved to front page about the subject matter.

Please,drop an excerpt or link from the publication to support your claim.
I want to read the news .
Thank you.

seunmsg:
To inform Nairalanders about what transpired at the tribunal.

With a misleading news ?

PoliticalUpdate:
This totally debunks the misleading headline of this thread.

I was just going through the thread smiling and SHM.

You can all now witness how the big media outlets mislead the general public .

Just imagine if there's no live thread updating proceedings at the tribunal ?

That's why they were all against the live transmission of the proceedings at the tribunal.

sreamsense:
Who care what you decide on wheather to stop creating threads on live updates of proceedings at the tribunal or not? Did I give you job of your bias reportage to do for me in the first place or do I look like hungry mumu or lazy fellow who never see N100k before? When your AIT and other LP media refused to carry the report that matters, did Tribune and other media not carry it? If you don't create thread of live proceeding, will it stop others from doing so?

How will those your insinuation erase reality on ground? How many laws have obidients ever argued or quoted that were never thrown out of court window since you keep argueing blindly. If you cann't read well and understand my simple last submission to you, then I can't help you further because I have my precious time that your N100k can not buy to do something more tangible and rewarding. When many of you refused to listen to better and sensible arguments, did the truth not over take it?

What happened to "Buhari can never rileguish power to Tinubu, APC can never give ticket to druggie, ANAP/Bantupage, Presidential inuguration can never take place, Tinubu can never be swore in because he failed to get 25% in Abuja. US and UK presidents can never send deligates to Tinubu inuguration arguments etc" many of you had in the past? When truth overtakes your lies, you will switch narrative again. You were in the same court covering proceedings and relaying it online when opposition lawyer that came with evidence was doing cross examination, if you can not get a copy from him; how will my own be relevant to you? I don't have time to waste on frivolous aguement, truth will soon overtake lies you believe.

Lol,
I honestly didn't bother to read that epistle.

Provide what I asked you,or move along.
that's the only business I got with you.

Till then, have a great day.

sreamsense:
That of 23rd February 2023 refered to by one of the opposition lawyers that crossed examine is enough as evidence. If you like twist it as you like just as many of you twisted that of 25% in Abuja to suit your narrative before it was thrown out of window. He said it while addressing international observers and I have seen some more other links on this forum that points to same thing as Tribune, you can look out for the thread; for me, I have no extra time to waste educating you on this to avoid wasting my precious time.

You can believe what you like but reality is there for people to see. What the opposition refered to was so cleared even for the blinds and your press old release image of November 2022 can't negate recent Feb 2023 event, no matter how you twisted it to fit your narrative

I'm not here for your blabbing.

I ask you again,

Show me an excerpt from the 23rd February publication where INEC said they will no longer transmit polling unit results in real time ?

If you can possibly show me an excerpt in respect to that ,I will stop creating threads on live updates of proceedings at the tribunal and I will deactivate my account.

And before I do those,I will give you a parting gift of 100k.
It's a promise.

I'm waiting sir.

paxonel:
you have well explain this. Thanks!

But going by the question INEC council, Awonikoko asked Ijeoma Osamor during her cross-examination at the tribunal that the INEC chairman said results will no longer be uploaded in real time . Is it that the INEC council was referring to raw figures or he was referring to scanned ECBA ?

Because from the lawyer's statement, the results will no longer be uploaded

If you read the content of the news, there's nowhere INEC or INEC chairman said that results will no longer be uploaded real time from polling units in that publication.

Please,go through the content of that publication again,if you find such excerpt,drop it for me here.

So, it's safe to say the respondents legal counsel didn't go though the content of the publication they are claiming INEC/INEC chairman said they will no longer transmit polling unit results in real time.

Absolutely no reference whatsoever about INEC change in plans to no longer transmit results in real time from that publication.

sreamsense:
How can older press release of November 2022 negated that of Tribune February 2023? Check the date of your image you attached towards the end, It happened by November 2022, this was when INEC initially thought of transmitting possibility. However, Tribune announcement happened on February 2023. Debunk here was for another older previous discussion before INEC foresaw other challenges that may prevent her from live transmission. You were at the court but you are still feeding us with fake information means you are partially bias in your reportage. Obi has no case

Get me an excerpt from the news where INEC chairman said results will no longer be transmitted real time prior to the 2023 presidential election ?

I want you to screenshot the particular area of that information and upload it here.
A video too will be appreciated.

meolaniyi:
you deliberately decided to confuse yourself. INEC was specific. They are referring to raw data. INEC said they will not transmit raw data because it's easy to manipulate. The scanned copy is what is supposed to be transmitted realtime

Like, he's complicating simple issue here.

I intentionally asked him drop the link to his claim,not because I haven't read it,just wanted to set something straight.

Going through the content of that news, here's an excerpt from INEC chairman's speech ;

“After the process is completed at the polling unit, the image of the polling unit result will be taken by the BVAS and uploaded into what we call the INEC Result Viewing Portal where citizens can see polling unit level results as the processes are completed at polling unit level."

Basically, he's saying form EC8A will be taken by BVAS & UPLOADED into IREV,not just the raw figures of the form EC8A from the polling unit.
Raw figures of results in this sense means the score each party gets from a particular polling unit.
For instance ,in a polling unit, here's the score of each party.

LP= 30 Votes
PDP= 53 votes
APC = 79 votes

INEC chairman is saying that they will not transmit only the figures each party got in a particular polling unit,but will capture the result sheet [ form EC8A] using BVAS and upload the results to IREV where ANXIOUS Nigerians can monitor the results during election.

I still don't understand why some are claiming & interpreting that results won't be taken by BVAS and uploaded into the IREV from the polling unit. Or that results won't be transmitted in real time.

Here's another excerpt from the News link ;

"He said Presiding Officers has the mandate to use the Bimodal Voters Accreditation (BVAS) machine to snap
election results documented on the results sheet from each polling unit and upload the photo of the result on the INEC Result Viewing Portal (IRev) for ANXIOUS NIGERIANS TO OBSERVE."


After reading that excerpt,how is someone claiming that INEC chairman said results [ form EC8A] will no longer be taken by BVAS and uploaded into IREV and will also no longer be transmitted in real time ?

This is pretty straightforward.

paxonel:
https://tribuneonlineng.com/we-wont-transmit-raw-figures-of-election-results-inec-chairman

Where's the excerpt in that news where INEC chairman claimed that results [ form EC8A] from polling units will no longer be transmitted real time ?

Ofunaofu:
Instead of them to provide video evidence of where the INEC chairman made those statements, they are busy shopping for Newspaper reports

They should provide videos just the same way LP provided video evidence of where the INEC chairman himself said that election results with be transmitted to the irev Portal real time on election day

Surprise! Surprise!! Surprise!!!

Here's a press release where INEC DEBUNKED the news that they will be abandoning the capturing of form EC8A at the polling unit using BVAS & the uploading of the results to IREV in real time.

paxonel:
It seems INEC chairman is deliberately trying to confuse Nigerians in order to delay justice at the tribunal and the court of public opinion, but here is the thing.

According to Daily tribune publication on 23rd February 2023 made reference by the INEC council, Ijeoma may not aware that Yakubu did announce that the commission will no longer transmit results from polling units in real time on the IReV, but he specifically said that the polling units have the mandate to use the BVAS to upload the results on INEC portal.

real time transmission of results on the IRev is one thing
Uploading results on INEC portal is another thing.

The idea was that, real time transmission during the collation of results at the national conference centre Abuju should be solely dependent on uploading results on the INEC portal,so that even if the INEC chairman is collecting paper or printed forms from state levels to announce the winner, the figures will have to tally or correspond with what was being uploaded or transmitted and there wouldn't have been any argument at all.

The least INEC would have done was to upload the results on it portal through the BVAS if they could not transmit, so that Nigerians will atleast view the results using their android phones and compare them with what was being announced.

But INEC did not upload, neither did they transmit on that collation day. Rather, they resolved to some cooked fraudulent paper sheets brought from state levels

Drop a link to your claim please.

franchasofficia:
INEC Chairman said:



Presiding Officers has the mandate to use the Bimodal Voters Accreditation (BVAS) machine to snap election results documented on the results sheet from each polling unit and upload the photo of the result on the INEC Result Viewing Portal (IRev) for anxious Nigerians to observe.



Note the word "from each polling unit", he didn't say "outside the polling unit" or "anytime".



Integrity is accepting your wrong when you are wrong. Trying to act smart when you know you are wrong is lacking integrity.

Please,stop engaging him any further.

Since you have established the factual content of the news link he posted ,and he's not ready to modify his post to such effect,you should understand he's only after CREATING propagandas and false narratives.

Please, ignore him.

BATified23:
Where did it mention real-time? Did it say instantly? 😁

Did it say immediately before officers leave?

Where did INEC promised you real-time?

Where? 😁

At this point, you're just being mischievous.

[ I could have also asked you where the news claimed the results won't be transmitted in real time,or at any time INEC want,but that will be me engaging in your infantile mind games.
No point engaging further with someone who can't take corrections and is only concerned about creating false narratives & propagandas. ]

Bye,and have a great day.

BATified23:
Hello are you saying you don't have proof that "INEC won't transmit results" real-time?

Alright,let me school you again for the benefits of the audience.

Here's an excerpt from the news link you posted ,and this are exactly the statement of INEC chairman.

“After the process is completed at the polling unit, the image of the polling unit result will be taken by the BVAS and uploaded into what we call the INEC Result Viewing Portal where citizens can see polling unit level results as the processes are completed at polling unit level.

Let me break down the first highlighted statement for you.

"After the process is completed.." the statement reads,and what process are we talking about here ?

Accreditation of voters and casting of votes by voters .
After that have been done ,the image of form EC8A will be taken at the polling unit and uploaded into the BVAS,where citizens can view the results.

Here's another excerpt from the news link you submitted,

He said Presiding Officers has the mandate to use the Bimodal Voters Accreditation (BVAS) machine to snap
election results documented on the results sheet from each polling unit and upload the photo of the result on the INEC Result Viewing Portal (IRev) for anxious Nigerians to observe.


You noticed that highlighted again ?
Here, the news is talking about taken image of form EC8A from the polling unit using the BVAS and uploaded it to IREV where ANXIOUS Nigerians can monitor the situation during the election.


This are pretty self explanatory.

BATified23:
I thought you wanted to come here to drill me.

I'm still waiting for the Real-time proof. The point where Yakubu mentioned that results will be transmitted real-time!

First and foremost,

Do you now agree that results [ form EC8A] from the polling unit will be taken by BVAS and uploaded into IREV ?

BATified23:
Lmao, it's pretty simple. If we don't resolve the transmission together, we won't be able to argue on Real-Time. There was need to create a balance first so I'm waiting for your REAL-TIME proof

Have you agreed that your interpretation of the news content is wrong and misleading ?
Have you done the needful ?
We are talking about transmission of results here,which we have not found common ground yet,but you want us to forget about that and move to another sub topic ?

BATified23:
Good you've poured out your mind. Now where did INEC state results will be transmitted REAL-TIME in any of the Feb 23rd publications?

I didn't pour out my mind,I gave you a factual interpretation of the content of the news links you posted.
First and foremost,go modify your first post when you created this thread to reflect the factual interpretation of the news link you posted ,and apologize to your audience for misleading them with false interpretation of the news content.

Only on that basis,will I proceed forward with answering your questions.

BATified23:
Now that we're even. Which of the links mentioned "real-time"?

No,you guys are NOT even.

Go to the modify lead in your initial comment when you created this post and update it that your initial understanding of the content of the news you posted is wrong & apologize to the audience for misleading them.

That's only when you can proceed with the claim that you both are on the same page,because right now, you're still on a different page.

You're basically still claiming INEC chairman said he's not going to transmit results again,which you even posted links to corroborate your claim.

And Franchasofficia is claiming that results from the polling unit [ form EC8A] will still be taken by BVAS and uploaded into the IREV,and not just raw figures of each party scores,which is exactly the interpretation of the news content.


Go apologize to your audience that you misinterpreted the content of that news,first and foremost.

franchasofficia:
Yakubu didn't back down on transmitting polling unit snapped result sheets, he only reiterated the fact that INEC won't be transmitting raw election figures like:


6,000,000
9,500,000
8,000,000


which can be hacked.


Check the screen shots you attached in your first post, it was clearly stated there too.



There is a difference between raw figures and snapped document. You can hack figure and change it, you cannot changed snapped document because its image not in figures. This is self explained bro

I'm asking him what is raw figures of results, he's not answering me .

Going through the content of that news he posted, here's an excerpt from INEC chairman's speech ;

“After the process is completed at the polling unit, the image of the polling unit result will be taken by the BVAS and uploaded into what we call the INEC Result Viewing Portal where citizens can see polling unit level results as the processes are completed at polling unit level."

Basically, he's saying form EC8A will be taken by BVAS & UPLOADED into IREV,not just the raw figures of the form EC8A from the polling unit.

I still don't understand why they are claiming & interpreting that as results won't be taken by BVAS and uploaded into the IREV from the polling unit .

HERE'S ANOTHER EXCERPT FROM THE News link ;

He said Presiding Officers has the mandate to use the Bimodal Voters Accreditation (BVAS) machine to snap
election results documented on the results sheet from each polling unit and upload the photo of the result on the INEC Result Viewing Portal (IRev) for anxious Nigerians to observe.


After reading that excerpt,how is someone claiming that INEC chairman said results [ form EC8A] will no longer be taken by BVAS and uploaded into IREV ?

This is pretty straightforward.

BATified23:
Ask all your questions at a go

Just relax, let's take it step by step.

Your understanding of the first question will give the audience and I clue if you really read and understood the content of that news.
Because, that's the fundamental.

BATified23:
Feel free to ask your questions man

Alright sir.

First and foremost,

What does " election raw figure results/ raw figures of election results" means by the content of the news in respect to the Kenya election referred ?

Did you REALLY read the content of the news you posted ?
Did you REALLY comprehend the content of the news links you posted ?

From all indications ,it seems you just read the headline of the news and ran away with it,like the respondents lawyers did,and like an average Nigerian will do.

I'm asking you again.

Did you REALLY read the content of the news you posted , and comprehend the content of the news you posted ?

If you genuinely read the content of the news and understood it,I want to ask you some few questions EXACTLY from the content of the news.

Be civil, I'm not here to engage with you on a needless back and forth.

Fashionista01:
Thank you.

You're welcome.
Sweet dreams & do have a lovely weekend ahead.

PoliticalUpdate:
Based on the updates of the Election Tribunal since yesterday, courtesy of IamV , I would love to explain how implicating the 5th witness of Labour Party, the Professor of Mathematics gave.

1. He was able to establish that based on facts provided by INEC(the IREV evidences uploaded by her staff from polling units accredited by Mahmoud) that there was a miscalculation of data/results by the state collators by citing Benue and Rivers States. The respondent lawyers tried to rope with the snare of statistical jargons, but he dodged it. What a narrow miss. He stated that the data were the total exact uploaded results by INEC, but the choice of states were random. So he is saying in essence there maybe other of such results giving the court no option but to ask for a polling units recount. This is what APC & INEC were avoiding. So you can understand while LP has been dumping documents in court. They will recount everything.

Great inputs.
We are all going to be here & watch how the whole dramas unfolds.
It's definitely not business as usual.

senatordave1:
He is not.how will you say irev is a collation system and later say it doesn't collated results?

I ignored your rambling earlier on on "collation system & tabulation of results ",now, I'm giving your another opportunity to see if you correct yourself & see that there's no contradiction on these whatsoever.

Here's a screenshot of the conversation.

Do you genuinely think this is a contradiction ?


Cc Shantyken,you say this guy here is open to learning & here to share information,right ?

Let's see if he's going to take corrections and apologize for the misinformation he have been sharing about what the professor said during Cross examination .

Geopex:
Is still the same , forget emotions. Meaning picture of results from polling unit for people to view, not to make use of it to collate results or wait for it B4 collation. Real deal is the one polling officer take to the collation center and do addition and subtraction. And lemme know tell u, if u change a figure and sign beside the figure, u don talk say u change am niyen o. What if LP no get agents when doing that nko , or may b they didn't present party agents in most poling units of SW and majority of North. Pls from who did they wanna get the results from, from PDP or ApC that rigged them out? Lp just dey play sha

No,it's NOT the same thing.

Other things you wrote are irrelevant.

IamV:
This is the Tribune Newspaper of 23rd February 2023.
INEC RIGHTLY noted that RAW FIGURES won't be transmitted of election results.

PLEASE DOES IT MEAN INEC SAID THEY WILL NOT TRANSMIT PICTURES OF ELECTION RESULTS DIRECTLY FROM POLLING UNIT?

UPDATED;!

HERE'S A LINK TO THE FULL TEXT ;

https://tribuneonlineng.com/we-wont-transmit-raw-figures-of-election-results-inec-chairman/#:~:text=Infact%2C%20the%20law%20does%20not,a%20long%20period%20of%20time

Going through the content of the news,you will get that it's written that the results won't be transmitted in RAW figures like [ APC 23 ,LP 45 ,PDP 53] from the polling unit,not the nonsense their legal team are trying to claim in court
INEC just succeeded in scoring an own goal.

people that might need further explanation about the content of this news INEC wanted to smuggle into evidence today ?
If great number of persons show interest,I will be creating a thread to such effect and drop the link in this thread.

In summary about the content of the news ;
INEC said they wouldn't transmit raw figures like Kenya did in 2015, but they would upload result images [form EC8A] to a portal.

"RAW FIGURES" here means just the number of votes.
For instance,in a polling unit,LP got total of 23 votes,APC got total of 34 votes ,PDP got total of 75 votes etc.
INEC claimed the results won't be transmitted by those "raw figures " like, transmitting only the number of votes each party got,but rather everything would be captured as an image [from form EC8A] and uploaded in real time.

I'm honestly still surprised how none of
the respondents legal teams couldn't figure that out.

Shantyken:
We are here to learn and unlearn wat we learned. I remember either last week or this week the OP made a post and garfield1 corrected him likewise him(IamV) and they both took the correction without issues. If senatordave1 make a post and u have a clear understanding of wat it should u can as well correct him for public to learn too. No be everybody be pro-obidat or pro-BATSHET.

Personally,I understand the angle you're aiming at,but you need to understand that ,first and foremost,the senator & Garfield monicker is operated by one person.

He's not here to teach or learn, he's only here to destructively criticize everything we do here.
Mischievously pick on every comment we point about the proceedings,and ridicule the witness and the Petitioners legal team.

He have been a mainstay in my threads,so,I know what I'm talking about.

He's not someone you engage with in a constructive conversation.
You may be able to take corrections,I may be able to take corrections,but the individual behind that senator monicker will NEVER take corrections or agree that he is wrong at point.

Is that the character that wants to learn ?

He is a nuisance,and I mean every damn words.
He's just pretending to be reasonable today.

sogodihno:
Just shvt up! Did Peter obi get significant votes from SW?

The only way to win without NE and NW is to get overwhelming votes in all the south and NC

Being passive-aggressive and insultive doesn't move me.

This is exactly your statement:

"Get sense, Peter obi didn't win, no way you can win election in Nigeria without votes from NW and NE"

Now,compare what you wrote there and what I just quoted ?

Are they the same statement ?

Is there any correlation whatsoever between you two statements ?

This is exactly what INEC is trying to do in court today.

They broadcasted exactly how results are going to be transmitted,but are in court saying totally different thing,and even when you go through the content of the news they are relying on ,it actually doesn't corroborate with their claim in court today,and even tried to smuggle that documents into evidence to be admitted by the court,and they were rightly cautioned and the document dismissed.

Done with you,bye.