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sunshineG:
this part I understand that social issue is a major issue why some women are not able to reach their full potential
This is a different argument all together because you are drawing conclusion based on a debatable reason that is yet to be concluded. So are you saying those women who are not able to reach full potential due to social issues will be better than those men in those top positions without any evidence to support the fact that those women are actually better?

Lmao you won't, I like to learn from discussions, I'm not necessarily always right Chisos what ?
Opiniative London lady

Nah I'm not claiming that women would be better, I'm not even saying women are perfect

I'm saying that we can't conclude without a doubt that men are in such positions primarily because of innate ability, social factors should come into consideration

sunshineG:
I am local boy from Ibadan now, who lives in the most local area in Ibadan
So I am a local champion

I am glad you agree with me on the topic.

However, your argument with him can never have any logical conclusion.
His points are valid that most of top jobs that requires high iQ are occupied by males, but yours is also valid that social issues is one of the key reasons for that
But how much of a role social issue plays is a subject that can be debated forever.

I hope I made sense

Arrm I don't want to annoy beautiful damsel from london so that you don't use Queen's English to destroy my head

Lol yeah we can't come to an absolute logical conclusion. I wasn't even saying females are more 'logical', just that we can't know that men are for sure or any gender for that matter with all the confounding variables

I'm not saying that natural logical reasoning doesn't contribute to it, I'm just saying it isn't the only contribution, whereas he initially put it down to innate ability entirely.

So we can't say it's the only reason/without a doubt that males dominate certain professions since there are many confounding variables like social issues

Some men are in those positions because of natural ability and some men are there because social issues gave them more of an opportunity, so I wouldn't put it all down to an innate ability, neither would I say the same for social issues.

Lmao you won't, I like to learn from discussions, I'm not necessarily always right

Gwaihir:
Well I can't say you are. Logically, your stance makes sense, let's see how it goes. I should remind you, Issa said she keeps comparing everyman she meets to Lawrence which has me wondering.



Mind sharing the moment?

I almost answered no, then I remembered this ex of mine I did it to. Funny

She had told me she wasn't going out but I and my friends were coming back from reading so I saw her from afar with some boys. I decided to act like I didn't see her just walk by while I and my friends kept arguing about some gist or so.

Her comparing is normal now

No particular moment that stands out, lol I can just see myself trying to get someone's attention like that if I don't want to be so direct

Lol haha we've all done it at some point

toseen7:
She is living with the new
boyfriend, but if she needs help financially, she
always run to you me,


Wón gbà e bì Boolú, LOL

Lmao

Gwaihir:
Really? There must be something about you women am missing. So its a case of not being who messed the relationship up since he wasn't such a good partner in the first place?

Like you said, I think Tasha is one of those girls who is content with just having a man, period lol



I actually thought it was coincidental too, not until she called Issa and my jaw went ajar.

Possibly, because before they broke up it didn't seem like their relationship was great in the first place, so it was odd to me that she appeared to want him back this much, so I put it down to guilt. I could be wrong

Lol I was shocked too, then I laughed and could relate

You've never done a fake walk by before?

sunshineG:
please don't be annoyed, I am a local boy

Are you still arguing based on emotional intelligence or is your argument drifting towards the intelligence qouta as a whole

Cause if the case study for your argument is the woman on this thread then you have drifted into a new topic


Emotional intelligence deals with ability to remain calm under emotional stress, hence it deals with emotions such love, hate and anger, it has very little to do with intelligence qouta itself

These emotions can overwhelmed a very intelligent person and someone who is less intelligent may deal with it better

So I think if this thread is the basses of your arguments, you have lost me

Don't be angry at me, i attended one local school in ibadan, you can educate me
I won't mind

Lool why do you keep saying you're local

I was talking about emotional intelligence with the first guy. The one I'm talking to currently brought up logic in professions for some reason so yeah it's a different topic

I agree with you

Why would I be angry?

Gwaihir:
Yeah, I just did this evening. Interesting turn of events. You said Issa wanted Lawrence back because she felt guilty, do you still think so?

Tasha though, see how she just waved the whole thing even if she were to accept him back she did not bother to know if he still had feelings for her.

I hail you women, see how Issa and her friend set Lawrence up to make it look like they bumped into each other coincidentally. She even asked him what he was doing around there. Masters of the emotional game.

It's the only reason I can think of to be honest lol

Like you said, I think Tasha is one of those girls who is content with just having a man, period lol

Lmao I was laughing at that scenario, something I would do lool see how she said she walked past 5 times lol

ToyinDipo:
There are several ways I could prove my points, however, I decided to choose the more salient one, so as not to complicate it.
All the points you listed are no way deterministic.
They are just convenient excuses

Lol no not really, no serious research would make such an absolute claim without accounting for all additional factors, and then dismissing socialisation to top it off. You didn’t ‘not complicate’ anything, you just approached it with a very simple way of thinking and not in the good way

Funny enough, the initial topic was about emotional intelligence, bringing up profession was a bit off topic

ToyinDipo:
Law
Lol, since 1919, I'm sure you must be having a good laugh typing this
Do you know how many generations have succeeded and failed after this, not to talk of evolutions/revolutions
Medicine

Maths
18th century

I cited 1919 because it’s an example of not being allowed at all rather than just being restricted

Laws like 1919 were more or less just formal agreements and didn’t necesarily mean a change in attitude, sexism was still carried through ‘generations’ despite being passed ‘since’

Women suffer more discrimination in hiring for jobs in mathematics

https://www.usnews.com/news/stem-solutions/articles/2014/03/26/study-women-heavily-discriminated-against-in-math-hiring

Dr. Vera Rubin rejected by Princeton for a graduate degree because their astronomy program didn't accept women. (Occurred in 1948, policy held until 1975)

‘Aspiring female lawyers faced a difficult educational and professional road. Women seeking to become lawyers were discouraged from doing so. They were explicitly or implicitly told that they would be outnumbered by men, that it would be nearly impossible to get a job in a firm, and, through the use of gendered pronouns and anecdotes, that law was a man's profession. Women lawyers were encouraged to stick to areas considered "well-suited" to them such as legal aid and government work, and they made only 60 percent of their male colleagues' salaries.’

https://www.law.georgetown.edu/library/collections/gender-legal-history/glh-summary.cfm?glhID=CD09BC44-EB0E-9C6D-4D45D050CEF41DC4

‘Aspiring female lawyers faced a difficult educational and professional road. Women seeking to become lawyers were discouraged from doing so. They were explicitly or implicitly told that they would be outnumbered by men, that it would be nearly impossible to get a job in a firm, and, through the use of gendered pronouns and anecdotes, that law was a man's profession. Women lawyers were encouraged to stick to areas considered "well-suited" to them such as legal aid and government work, and they made only 60 percent of their male colleagues' salaries.’

https://www.law.georgetown.edu/library/collections/gender-legal-history/glh-summary.cfm?glhID=CD09BC44-EB0E-9C6D-4D45D050CEF41DC4

Your analogy is only clear too you, tbh.
If it's not solely down to innate ability, then innate ability is the major factor, at least to logical people
There is no one socially discriminating against any logic based profession I know of, this isn't carpentry or masonry or mechanics, lol.

There's quite a bit of research on it sha but ok lol

My analogy was based on my point that men and women are disproportionately represented in these fields partly because men have had a history of being socialised towards them more.

Overwhelming evidence indicates that women are socialized away from STEM (Johnson, 2007; Sadker & Sadker, 1994; Hall & Sandler, 1982).

https://www.law.georgetown.edu/library/collections/gender-legal-history/glh-summary.cfm?glhID=CD09BC44-EB0E-9C6D-4D45D050CEF41DC4

We’ll agree to disagree I guess.

You insinuated it was solely initially (main reason I disagreed with you), now it’s major.

Eh, I maintain my stance on male/female disparities in these professions not being primarily down to innate ability, there are too many confounding variables to put it down to one thing

It’s also an oversimplification to look at the differences in male/female behaviour and not take social conditioning in consideration at all, so we’ll just agree to disagree lol

Didn’t really get your last line.

I didn't go off topic, except, you didn't grasp the analogy
If females were allegedly not allowed in certain occupations as you stated, now that 'they've been allowed', how are they faring,
There should be some impacts to suggest that in the nearest future, both sex will be on equal footings.
or they need a lifetime to catch up?

Grasped the analogy, but I was focusing solely on the impact things had, you were talking about strides taken after the fact.

It only makes sense that in the years coming the gap will get smaller since we currently have the opportunities many didn’t have in the past, though it's not necessarily that we got smarter or anything, just more opportunities.

This is 21st century, where it's about survival of the fittest.
Women are venturing into roughly all professions at the same rate as men
If they found themselves being 'obscured', it's not due to lack of effort/participation, it's competition.

Lol a bit utopic, even as ethnic minorities, realistically we aren’t always on equal footing with others but ok .

Have a nice afternoon too

Did you manage to find the part where I got emotional, drifted etc?

thesuave10:
Try explaining physics to a 2yr old. It's the same thing

Somone that was scrambling to find simple evidence is barking from the sidelines, issorai lmao

ToyinDipo:
Lol, it's actually difficult to argue with them.
The way they see things is just too linear

Lol I've actually been anything but linear, that's why I haven't come to an aboslute conclusion without looking at all factors.

You've basically claimed that men are the more logical sex because they dominate certain professions and solely down to innate ability (no evidence on that besides 'they dominate'), completely ignoring the factors that have contributed to them being there in the first place. It doesn't get more 'linear' than that lol smh. Ok sha superior one

ToyinDipo:
Read through your posts, if you can't notice how you drifted, then I can't help
If they were not being allowed, list 3 logic based professions, where such occurred with proof.

Lol the burden of proof is on the person who made the claim, I can’t see where I drifted because I didn’t, so I’ve asked you, who made the claim, to show me, simple.

How long does it take to highlight the alleged drifting and say ‘This is where you drifted’? End of. You managed to respond to everything else so I doubt it’s down to a lack of time. It’s not that hard to point out.

Only points I have made are that men dominating most ‘logical’ professions isn’t down to a superior innate ability, I then gave reasons and examples, that’s it. You’re actually the one drifting by not answering a simple, straightforward question. If the drifting actually exists, just point it out it’s not hard lool

An example of restrictions in Law

Though there were exceptions, women were restricted from practicing law before the sex disqualification (removal) act in 1919

An excerpt from The Irish Jurist (Ireland's oldest established academic law journal) – The sex disqualification (removal) act in 1919 removed most of the legal restrictions on the appointment of women to public office or the professions but did nothing to assist them in obtaining appointments. Nor did it prevent discrimination in practice.

Source: https://www.jstor.org/stable/44027263?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents

An example of restrictions in Medicine

An excerpt from Women in Medicine: A Review of Changing Physician Demographics, Female Physicians by Specialty, State and Related Data – For the majority of American history, medicine was a male-dominated profession, with females serving other roles including nursing and midwifery. Medical schools, like the majority of higher level institutions, restricted admission to males only, and thus opportunities for integration and advancement for women in medicine were limited.

https://www.amnhealthcare.com/uploadedFiles/MainSite/Content/Staffing_Recruitment/Staffcare-WP-Women%20in%20Med.pdf

An excerpt from Women in medicine - The nursing role was seen as an extension of women's social role: caring and nurturing. However, there was not the same openness to women becoming doctors. Many women attempted to become doctors in the 1800s - Margaret Bulkley even masqueraded as a male doctor for 46 years. At the end of the century women gained the right to study for the same qualifications as men.

http://www.sciencemuseum.org.uk/broughttolife/themes/practisingmedicine/women

An example of restrictions in Science (Mathematics)

An excerpt from A Short History ofWomen in Science: From Stone Walls to Invisible Walls - Although there were no stone convent walls to limit women’s access to science education in the U.S.,women found themselves locked out of higher education by the stone walls of male-only colleges and universities. At that time in our history, education was largely the preserve of sons of wealthy families who were being prepared for the ministry.

Until the early 19th century, girls’ education was restricted to informal learning at “Dame
Schools” where instruction was offered by female teachers, usually in their homes. Young girls
were taught basic reading and writing, embroidery, and other “feminine” skills.

http://www.brandeis.edu/barnett/docs/7654.PDF

Logically, people go into professions where there strength lies, no?
If you see a lot of women in modelling, chef..., what does that tell you.
I wasn't necessarily saying that you find the strongest men among those, but there is a very high probability that's where you find the strongest men, or where else?
That's why I typed the world sampling, it gives you an overview of the world's strongest men.

Logically, people go into professions where their strengths lie, I’m not disputing this, what I am disputing is the claim that it is solely down to innate ability.

I’m saying socialisation contributes to male and females working towards thus being the majority in certain professions, we are raised to be motivated by certain things and ‘groomed’ to focus more of our energy into certain fields, this is why more men end up applying for certain jobs more than women and vice versa.

If there aren’t as many women as men in a profession due to socialisation and historical factors I’ve pointed out, then obviously there will be more men in the sample…since there are more of them. (Refer back to the X and Y analogy for easier understanding lol)

Why do you find it hard to get basic points
I asked since all those have been abolished, what are the giant strides to suggest that if not for all those, Africa would be developed.
Similar way that 100 years from now, you ladies will keep whining that they didn't give you equal opportunities, and that why you are where you at.

Not really, you just went offtopic. One of the points I made to counter your argument was that past events have influenced the gap between male and female, so males have had a head start and females were at a disadvantage in comparison. Strides taken after is a different topic.

1. What are the factors that caused the gap between genders in professions?
2. What are the giant strides taken after?

Your ‘undeveloped Africa’ analogy didn’t apply because it was asking a different question. I'm talking about past events that put them at their disadvantage, strides taken after is a different topic.

Women whining about being /where they’re at’ is a different discussion to what factors in the past caused them to be at a disadvantage in certain professions, stick to the point.

Women whining about being /where they’re at’ is a different discussion to what factors in the past caused them to be at a disadvantage in certain professions, stick to the point.

Having a head start = being more likely to have more males and dominate said field than the gender that didn’t

Dominating said field = appealing more to males then females

Appealing more to males than females = more men being in the profession

More men being in the profession = more likely to dominate than females

You see my point, you can't find simple link on your own
www . itworld . com/article/2823547/enterprise-software/158256-superclass-14-of-the-world-s-best-living-programmers . html
That's one of those...

Would’ve been easier if you’d just said programmer, they’re linked but not necessarily the same thing (refer back to factors that influence women not being into tech as much as men lol)

There are more ladies in chef than women, and men tend to win chef competitions than women?

There are more women in chess now, than men in the 60s, no woman can match any of the men in the top 10 in the 60s, so?

Lol I’ve always heard that there are more male chefs actually

The amount of men didn’t just stop growing and women overtook them lol, there are more women in chess now than men in the 60s but the amount of men also grew too lool so it still isn’t proportionate lol

If you can give just two valid factors to consider, I'll give up

This discussion appears to be a lost cause if at the end of the writeup, you're asking for what exactly has been explained. I mentioned socialisation and historical inequalities as contributing factors, like, it’s literally all I’ve been talking about lol and it doesn't get anymore valid than that.

Have a nice afternoon sha

Gwaihir

Watch episode 2 of insecure yet?

Gwaihir:
Lool. I am agreeing with you, i just stated that part to show you how the conditioning over the years and the religious ideals which i am willing to go out on a limb for, to say, are misinterpreted to further whatever agenda that suits which makes men unwilling to accept that logic from a woman. I dare say,it is not as much as the truth but how they think it makes them look. I don't know if you get my drift?

Yes, there is no evidence to prove that as a fact or truth.

I know you are, I'm co-signing by repeating it

I think a lot of guys like to claim it without any thorough research, then get frustrated when people don't just go along with it and ask for evidence that they can't provide.

Definitely an ego thing

Gwaihir:
I know you weren't. Another factor i don't know if you shied away from and i also think mainly influences why men and even women think that way, perhaps its a very broad and controversial topic is that from time and even religiously, it had been imbibed that a man be superior to a woman hence why some may find it hard to accept that logic you are unapologetic about to make known.

If there was solid proof to prove that men are, other than physically, I'd go along with it, but as of now there isn't. All I need is proof, all these 'examples' aren't enough when you take all factors into consideration and give a fair assessment

ToyinDipo:
So it's not about not being allowed in the field again... ok we will take the drift.

It is about not being allowed in the field, this is a point I’ve reiterated, where did you get the idea that it wasn’t? (refer back to head start analogy)

I’m not just talking about tech by the way, I’m looking at all ‘logical’ professions collectively, and Ada and co are small representatives when you look at it on a bigger scale, just because there are examples of some that had opportunities doesn’t negate or take away from the fact that a lot of women didn’t and compared to men.

Let me break this down
if you need a sampling of the world's strongest men, where do you go?
professional wrestlers, professional weight lifters...., no?

Surely the sample is a list of people who were documented because they were given the opportunity to showcase themselves, not that they were divinely picked by God himself, it's about opportunity. If X and Y were as good as each other but X had been given more encouragement and opportunities than Y, obviously X will have more chance than Y of being represented in the list, not necessarily because X is better than Y, but because Y didn’t get the same opportunities as X to showcase itself and be put in the forefront, hope that analogy helped

Historical inequalities? lol, it's just like asking someone why Africa is underdeveloped, and they tell you it's due to slave trade, colonialism... since all those had been abolished, what giant strides have been made?

Well those are pretty valid reasons…lol. So since they’ve been ‘abolished’, any damage caused just disappears? Are we going to act like there were no after effects? Lool. Africa isn’t perfect, it definitely has it’s own issues and definitely takes much of the blame for being undeveloped, but it would be ignorant to act like historical inequalities like slavery didn’t have an impact on its current state wtf lool

Society is not discouraging one here, these are not masculine tasks, I cited an example of Ada, you may also google the pioneer fortran programmers in US.

Guy, I’m not saying society is currently discouraging anyone, I’m saying it did in the [b]past[/b]and it’s only recently that women are being more encouraged. Again, two people in a race, one has a headstart, who is likely to be ahead? Men had a head start and that’s fact, no matter how many ‘Adas’ you cite. We are comparing males and females. No matter how many Adas were given an opportunity, there'd be 5 times more men that had it too. Yes, it's better for women now, but they're only just trying to catch up, again, not an equal footing.

I did some computer science courses in school, when we had difficult assignments then, with equal opportunities, the ladies just wouldn't get it.
I had a female friend who graduated with first class, she collected a programming book from someone, she couldn't get past chapter 1.
I have worked in a company where there were lots of female coders, I wasn't impressed with a lot of them

Your anecdotal experiences are not ‘proof’ enough for such a big claim.

Research for the current top algorists, they are males, females are just generally (not in all cases though) not cut out for extreme reasoning, sorry to say.

And these things is not about number, when Fischer singlehandedly destroyed Russian chess autonomy, it was a one man show against the strongest chess empire ever

Any link for this top algorists list? Genuinely can’t find it. And like I keep saying, the group that is more represented will obviously have more options to choose from thus more representatives. E.g. there are more females in ballet than men, obviously lists of ‘top’ ballet artists are more likely to be dominated by females since there are more of them, it doesn’t necessarily mean that they’re better than men. Same with your chess example, just an analogy.

Yes, it is about numbers, when you have a larger sample size to choose from, you will more ’top’ people to pick from, this is basic statistics and to deny this really doesn't help your whole superior logic/reasoning matter lool

We don't have enough direct evidence to prove that it's innate mate, too many factors to consider.

Gwaihir:
True.

On your other post, to be honest, you do make a valid point concerning being rational or smart not of innate qualities peculiar to a gender. It depends on individual basis and the circumstances involved. The movie "Hidden Figures" based on a true life story adds credence to it. I think denying the obvious in order to appeal to ego is neither helping no one.

Gbam

I'm not even saying women are better sef, but to put it down solely to innate ability is ludicrous, you can't ignore the factors lol

ToyinDipo:
You want me to list all?
I added ... to indicate and so forth, if you know any logic related field not dominated by men, then you state it.

This was your point ...women weren't allowed to do a lot of things including work in such professions
In software, lots of women have always being in the field, only that few were able to make a name in it, remember Ada?
A lot of women have been in chess for a while now, only that only few are notable and 'exceptional', Judith, Hou Yifan
On law, stop making antiquity references

It's difficult to have good debate with women, if you don't bring in sentiment, or emotion, you always find a way to drift

You claimed that logical professions were dominated by men, I did not deny it (so I don't need to list anything lol), rather, I gave you reasons why they were male dominated other than it solely being an innate ability which is what it seemed you were insinuating, that men were just naturally more 'logical.' I don't expect you to list every single field I just expected there to be slightly more, plus you were even incorrect about one of them....

Reasons:

Historical inequalities - (the antiquity references are relevant though, why would I stop making them when they are a major part of what influenced the gap between men and women, women have it better now but they didn't have the start that men had all those years ago, women not having equal footing is part of the reason they're as underrepresented as they are in certain fields, history affects our current world so it doesn't make much sense not to reference it)

Socialisation - Societal forces shape our preferences/choices as male and female which is why certain things will appeal more to a male audience than females and vice versa, this influences that type of career one chooses for example

I made the point that women weren't allowed to do a lot of things including work in such professions to highlight that they did not have equal footing. If two people are in a race and one gets a headstart, who is more likely to be ahead?

Women have been discouraged from doing a lot of stuff for a very long time, it's even recently that some women have been able to get higher education. Again, if two people are in a race and one gets a headstart, who is more likely to be ahead?

There were some women in the fields of software engineering and chess, yes but this doesn't change the fact that women accounted for a smaller proportion of those employed in these fields. Not because it's been proven that women aren't as logically capable, but because the majority of women didn't have the opportunity the way men did, neither were they brought up to appreciate it the way men did.

Your point was the fact that men dominate 'logical' professions shows that men are more logical which ignores a whole bunch of factors and is an oversimplification. My point is that this is not solely down to innate ability because there are other factors that influence that fact that males dominate these professions.

Nowhere in my argument did sentiments, emotions affect the points I made, neither have I drifted. Point it out please, I'm not seeing it, because this just seems like one of those cheap deflective/dismissive tactics just because you may disagree and I've made valid points lol

sunshineG:
I understand
However, that argument is also subject to debate

I believe emotional intelligence just like intelligence quota is personal, no gender can claim to be emotionally matured than the other.

The fact that some men are violent and are involved in domestic violence means nothing because an average men is usually stronger than average women

Hence, the emotional immaturity of men are displayed more often than that of women.

My issue is just when some guys try to dismiss women for being 'emotional' when they're no better tbh lol

Gwaihir:
Yes, i guess that was what you were referring to.

Lol men are just socialised to be more aggressive I guess, being emotional as per letting out your feelings etc is discouraged so I guess the most natural thing to do is lash out maybe

ToyinDipo:
Software Engineering
Chess
Law...

'Why do men dominate professions that are based on logic?’ https://s4.postimg.org/ktnitnbst/troll.png

And then you give just three examples? https://s4.postimg.org/z3vsn9v5p/mjlol.png

You’re oversimplifying this thing, societal forces shape our preferences/choices as male and female

Like tech for example, women just haven’t been encouraged to take up such fields until recently, it’s not an environment females have historically been encouraged to identify with like males and it starts from an early age

Chess? Women not being into chess as much as men can also be attributed to socialisation, culture etc.

Law? Women were actually denied admission to law schools once upon a time on account of their sex so I’m not sure where you got your information about it not being gender biased from, though things are better now though and the gap actually isn’t that wide so not really

There are too many factors for you to be solely putting it down to special male innate ‘logical’ abilities lol

Gwaihir:
Ibkayee

Why do you think men act out that way, emotionally?

Aggressively/violently?

ToyinDipo:
Lol, the fields I'm talking of ain't even gender biased, but it's the way you ladies argue though, lol.
I was taking of being more rational, not emotional

The way we ladies argue by providing valid points on historic inequalities that influenced the gap or the fact that socialisation is actually a thing? Lol

Lol list the fields you're talking about

sunshineG:
please don't mind me interrupting your highly intalectual stimulating argument

Now it true that records have shown in the past that an average lady(woman) may show(display) more emotional maturity than men in most aspects of life. However, in the context of this story, this woman has shown that there is exception to that theory, as it shows that she didn't give her actions much thought before embarking on it

She only reacted to the situation without properly thinking of possible outcomes and consequences. There are so many things that could have gone wrong

For example, she could have injured herself, she could have been Lynched, a lot could have gone wrong. Yet, it still doesnt change the fact that the man is going to get away with cheating on her.
A more measured approach will have delivered better results

I'm not saying this wasn't an exception, I'm not even saying that women are perfect either, I'm just saying that the 'men are more rational, women are emotional' rhetoric men love peddling is false lol

ToyinDipo:
Why do men dominate professions that are based on logic?

They've been dominated by males for years, women weren't allowed to do a lot of things including work in such professions or even work at all, things are definitely changing as women definitely have more opportunities but let's not act like both genders had equal footing or like gender socialisation doesn't have an influence on career choices lol

Plus the guy I was debating with was the one using emotion as a measuring tool which is why I brought up the violent crime stats, profession is a different topic and has nothing to do with men and women acting out emotionally

Gwaihir:
pardon me, too much information i had stored about you in my head, mixing them up.

@emboldened, maybe he saw you in his dream that you were his wife to be.

Lool creepy

thesuave10:
You've already started calling it phantom research, so much for rationality. Here you go again with the crime thing. This what I'm philosophy is called a fallacy. Crime involves many things. I can say men are more rational because there are more successful men and more top corporate men but saying that alone would just be as irrational as your points if I don't go deeper into the points which I don't have the time for Anyways I think you have proved my point with the lack of rationality in your points. I'm done right now. I would however encourage you to read up on some stuffs .thank me later. Find some yoruba articles if it's better for you.

I called it phantom research because it doesn't exist lol, if what you've been saying is true it shouldn't be difficult to find evidence to back it up, it should be a quick google search away, that's what a 'rational' person would do anyway, I've said I can't see anything so the onus is on you mate lol

Lol but you used 'emotional intelligence, reactions and actions' as a measure of rationality, insinuating that her gender was the reason she behaved the way that she did, comparing and insinuating that men are less likely to act that way when studies show that they're actually more likely to commit acts of violence, I brought up violent crimes because it's an example of men acting out on emotion, no matter what the cause is lool

'I'm done' I.e. I dont have any evidence so I'm going to run away and make a corny joke to deflect from the fact that I can't actually prove my point Lool. It's ok

Gwaihir:
In a world like Nigeria, where leaders are not 'leaders' but rulers.

The keeping of it secret or following due process is not a lack of knowledge of what is required of them but that the government of Nigeria is a government of ethnic politics.Forget what anyone tells you or what the elite say to line their pockets. Nigeria is a country that firmly operates on ethnic politics, if you check the major people centered achievements in the past, they were done when Nigeria operated a regional system of government. i assure you, if it where possible to have Buhari's corpse in aso rock till the northerners finish their eight years appropriated to them,they will do it. When Jonathan was in power, they went to his home state and interviewed a woman and ask her what Jonathan has done, she said nothing, they asked her if she was going to vote for him, she said yes, why? "na our son". When Patience was campaigning for her husband, she called the northerners on national TV, "born throw way" meaning they just give birth to kids but don't train them to school. When she got voted out, a northern governor at the time, said, "and the almajiris voted them out of power" Tell me how do you expect them to practise true federalism or at the least, a democratic government?

Either we revert to regional system of government or we split, nothing will as it should and at the pace it should will work. To begin with, the Igbos are clamouring for their own country, and forget what anyone says on here oh, i have been to at least 4 eastern states, and they want their Biafra.

Yeah it's unrealistic to think that given the many ethnic groups in Nigeria, the figureheads at the top won't put the interests of their own before the rest, no matter who's in charge, someone will
always get cheated

thesuave10:
The stastictics show that men are more rational. Experiments after experiments. Studies after studies. So the stastsictics show according to scientific studies that men are more rational. Using crime stats as your only basis for rationaity proves my point again about women and their rationality. You can read it up but I'm guessing you'll still argue about it that's why I said you should check it out for yourself because I know people trust what they observe a lot

Lmao there's no study with any credibility that says this, but in case I'm wrong (I'm not) would you be able to reference any of these 'studies' and 'experiments'

Using phantom research as a basis at all proves my point about men and their 'rationality' . You claimed that women act out of emotion more than men, I brought up the fact that stats show that men commit more violent crimes to show that men act out on aggression more than women which disproves the whole 'cool, calm and rational' point a lot of you try to push, anger is an emotion lol

pocohantas:
The wickedness in the heart of the average Nigerian man would shock even the devil.

That's someone's daughter. What's the evidence that she is a 'slay queen', even if she is...does that make her deserving of death?
It could have been anyone. Once a young girl dies, next thing is to tag her slay queen. Oh Lord! The heart of man is indeed dark.

They are not even blaming the killers...just obsession with the whole slay queen tag. Once again, majority of them are very stupid and heartless. Bunch of evil hearted humans!!

RIP to her.

It's disgusting