₦airaland Forum

nemesis2u:
well bro i have no explanation to offer, i am at complete loss of worlds after i read the post

u should ask the guy for the name of the ship borne radar which can detect submarines, i will surely recommend my navy to buy it at the earliest.

and to think of the billions of dollars wasted on sonars by almost everybody.

and also plz ask him to explain how the ship borne radar manages to break the laws of physics ie overcome the radio horizon limitation in order to detect a submarine below the radio horizon.

as for anti clutter radar , just ask him to be more specific like which ship borne radar has the capability to reject volume clutter and surface clutter in a heavy sea state in order to identity a tiny periscope .

and ask him to be precise and technical
i am not in the mood for a english comprehension lesson

nemesis2u:
yes maybe or maybe even VPN or maybe neither

anyways i am curious, u said that service provider is in France,

is it legal?

Covert1:
Dear you are not out of order about Radars being able to detect subs on sea surface when it snorkels or uses a periscope and Technology has advanced today and some Radars have anti-clutter capability etc. FLIR too is used to detect it's heat on sea surface or track it when dark. NN ships operate sophisticated technology.

We don't sail the high seas to Australia, China and back trusting the goodwill of Nations alone knowing some will rejoice at any misfortune of ours. Submarines are great assets and great threats too so no one takes chances yet it remains prey, it's like searching for a dangerous snake.

There are a whole host of options in ASW warfare which is why I said "Integrated Armada". Apart from airborne crafts both rotary and winged using varied sensors like sonabouys or hydrophones to surface combatants with towed or hull mounted Sonar (passive or active) we have our extensive eyes in the sky satellites being one of them (with very high resolution) beyond what obtains anywhere else in the region. It allows us to map the waters of the continent and understand the character of the enemy. Training and experience helps calculate and determine where, when or how assets are moved including subs which is why I said "we know them before we sail".

What obtains now in SSA or questionably Africa as a whole as Subs is only suitable for littoral defence and indequate cos ships have endurance, the sub would snorkel, want to change depth or may send radio signal at some point to base and it's bingo.

Crude intelligence is also a factor. Warfare is not just buying guns, boats and planes. It is more intelligence. Experts know this and they concurred Nigeria's Navy could show up off Cape Town if provoked. Nobody is saying war but in gun boat diplomacy statements are made with presence just like they did.

Don't think otherwise only we don't give out specific details. Crude methods are still applied in today's trade craft. So Nairaland is not off limits. But I'll still speak in parables. Those that have ears let them hear. Finally I don't comprehend the motive of some who pick on knowledge to take potshots.

Anyway...

nemesis2u:
IP address traced to France

ladies and gentleman's we got a Frenchman in our midst

Macron ?

jl115:
Last time i checked you barley ever contribute to this thread and only show up when the arguments start flying!!

and btw if you actually bothered reading my posts i explicitly said i was part of the so called e wars and said we(as in including me) should move it to another thread, I tried twice today!!

nemesis2u:
bro i always felt ur a sensible person so let me correct u

the radars of a ship will never be able to pick up a un-submerged submarine, forget about a submarine snorkel , against the heavy sea clutter.

which is why ships have hull mounted sonars or towed sonars to detect submarines

the radars of a ship r optimized for

1.picking up air targets at long ranges

2.picking up surface vessel targets at short ranges

it is basically due to simple laws of physics ie curvature of the earth aka limitation of radio horizon

for detecting submarines u will need ASW helicopters or patrol aircrafts or UAVs equipped with sensors like sonar buoys, dunking sonars , MAD sensor , airborne specialized maritime surface search radars , carbon emission detection sensors etc including ships which have hull mounted sonars or towed sonars to detect submarines.

jln115:
Who are the suppliers? What Subs? What Frigates? What Weapons? Cost? Time of delivery?

All you did was post a photo of a toy!

Covert1:
Obviously clear he's uninformed. Looking like child's play and I'm not cut out for that.

Covert1:
First the SADF is not the SANDF, far from it. Secondly Submarines are prey (very important you understand that) and yours are not Nuclear powered an even greater disadvantage. And what is half your fleet? Your entire active fleet is smaller than the Nigerian Navy. Methinks first you don't know this or you downplay it's efficacy in Total War: Nigeria invests in infrastructure that makes sense and it gives it advantage. We know the position of your ships and potentially your subs even before we sail. You don't stand a chance.

ActivateKruger:
How would you like them to sink, via a topido or via an Exocet missile? Either way it's target practice

ActivateKruger:
That's 1 submarine for every 833km, you have 0 for your 850km coastline. No argument here, move on.

ActivateKruger:
So you think we started operating Submarines recently, we have more than half a century headstart provided you just got submarines today which you obviously don't.

So shame me on how you could defeat our fleet, I'll show you how half our fleet could defeat your current and future ordered fleet. Go on, I'm all yours

ActivateKruger:
No man it simply means South Africa can send in subs to sink everything floating on your coast.

officialdayo:
Let me explain . Jln115 has insecurity issues, when those ships arrive, he knows his arguments here on SA navy being better will be flawed.

Remember , the jf17 delivery news is still a shock to him, you want to give him hypertension with this too ni?

jln115:
Just FYI this debated started with me simply stating my opinion with regards to Nigerian weapons purchases......I even emphasized that it was an opinion!!!

You ret@rds simply decided to loose your fvcking minds about it.

jln115:
Wtf is that supposed to be? Just answer my question

Iblawi1:
Stop stressing yourself. I told you we already had planned to buy them. I didn't tell you we've paid for them.

jln115:
Who are the suppliers? what frigates are you buying? What subs are you buying? With what will they be armed with? What systems will they I use? When will deliveries commence? How much will it cost? Where will they be built?

jln115:
Uhm Pakistan did confirm it........the purchase has even been on Sipri for months now!

jln115:
Who are the suppliers? what frigates are you buying? What subs are you buying? With what will they be armed with? What systems will they I use? When will deliveries commence? How much will it cost? Where will they be built?

jln115:
Read the bolded

jln115:
I'll wait for official confirmation from the NDF or from the suppliers website.

jln115:
There is no logic to what that guy says......all of a sudden Nigeria is buying frigates, subs LDPs.....

Now I'm not saying they can't.....but during a recession.....yeah I don't think so.

xwolverine:
Mr Jln is in the Nigerian senate I guess.

jakeporeshenko:
In that case we better start saving !!

LTGEN:
Yes the Budget is inflated but another Logical reason is Nigeria paid Russia directly for the Three Kilmov RD 93 Engines.
Man dey water right now when man reach house I go get link na phone I dey use and service is spotty.

Xbee007:
Simply "inflated" I just added "over" as an emphasis. Inflate means to enlarge na?

Xbee007:
They were over inflated. I don't know y cos the entire 2016 Nigerian budget is barely half of the amount you see on those two MI-35. So it is not possible for two helicopters to cost more than our entire budget.

Algerian1:
2 mi 35 twice more expensive then 3 JF17 ? how ?