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SternProphet:
I knew that was what Nigeria wanted to do. They will mount PAVE II system and APKWS from the Super Tucano deal on all AW 109 choppers. They will have utility choppers more effective than MI 35M for one fifth of the price.
AW 109 is just $7m. Nigerian registered companies can maintain it. There are many pilots ready to fly it. It can carry FLIR for night ops, TOW missiles and 20mm canons.

Obviously they want to put the MI 35Ms on lower rate of delivery whilst stacking up on the more reliable, cheap, very versatile and higher technology AW 109. The Filipino Air Force had the right idea from the start that we are borrowing from. Since Boko Haram font just operate from distant outposts like Sambisa but the action is now moving to semi rural areas and even urban areas, then lighter, cheaper, more agile and more accurate delivery choppers are increasingly being required. Sometimes you want to take out vehicles with precision strike, disembark troops to engage whilst staffing the enemy with canons and machine guns. The AW 109 will do everything. And you can take it to the hangar and convert it to VIP transport the next day for Oga's inspection.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_IHhhi7xhgs

bidex111:
What rubbish.........

tdayof:
AAM.

bidex111:
I wouldn't be surprised if the jf17 his also unveiled on the NAF celebration day.

tdayof:
Update : the Nigerian airforce Yahbon flash UAV is confirmed to be an armed variant.


The Nigerian airforce is waiting on the arrival of the GCS as the UAV have been assembled already in Nigeria.

jteku:
He mention the free $1.8b cash the Obama government gave the Iranians, and said Nigeria will need such kind of money

Henry240:
It seems Nigeria is also buying Helicopters from the US. The story about excess AH-1 Super Cobra could be true.

President Trump just confirmed the US will be selling helicopters to Nigeria and they will be delivered soon.

Maybe he is mistaking it for the Tucano, but who knows?

Potential AH-1 Super Cobra sale to Nigeria.

tdayof:
You sure we are getting the mig?

Malaysia in Talks to Buy JF-17 Thunder Aircraft from Pakistan
Published April 18th, 2018 - 13:00 GMT via SyndiGate.info

The Malaysian government is in “preliminary talks” with Pakistan to buy the multi-role JF-17 Thunder combat aircraft developed jointly by China and Pakistan.

“The Malaysian government has shown interest in buying the JF-17 Thunder aircraft from Pakistan but the deal is yet to be finalized,” a senior Pakistan Ministry of Defense Production official said.

Pakistan officials at the Defense Services Asia 2018 exhibition in Kuala Lumpur have been marketing military gadgets to potential buyers. “We are trying to increase our defense exports to one billion dollars within the next two years,” the official said.


“We have been targeting sales to countries such as Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Nigeria, Malaysia and Egypt.”

Pakistan’s Senate standing committee on defense production was told in June last year that the volume of defense exports had increased from $63 million in 2006-07 to more than $98 million in the fiscal year 2017-18.

The JF-17 Thunder is a single-engine, lightweight, multi-purpose combat aircraft that was developed jointly by the Chengdu Aircraft Industry Corporation of China and Pakistan Aeronautical Complex.


The maiden flight of the JF-17 was completed in August 2003 and entered service in March 2007. The aircraft is expected to cater to the combat requirements of the Royal Malaysian Air Force (RMAF) as “this is cost-effective and equipped with all the latest technology,” the Ministry of Defense Production official said.

“What perhaps could make the JF-17 particularly attractive to the RMAF is that its engine is also used in the Mig-29 and for which the service already has repair and maintenance facilities in place.”


“This would further reduce overall operational cost of the new aircraft for the cash-strapped Malaysian military.”


According to Pakistan’s Defense Export Promotion Organization (DEPO), more than 20 major public-sector organizations and more than 100 private-sector firms are engaged in the manufacturing of defense-related products in the country.


“All these products are internationally recognized for quality, reliability and competitive prices,” the DEPO said. “Both the public and private firms are abreast of the need and meeting the landmarks with full zeal and enthusiasm.”

Retired Lt. Gen. Amjad Shoaib, a defense analyst, said that Pakistan has been producing cost-effective and cutting-edge defense machines and weaponry that is attractive to both developing and developed countries.

“Many countries including Malaysia are showing interest in the purchase of the JF-17 Thunder aircraft because its technology is much better than aircraft produced by the U.S., France and other developed countries in recent times,” he said.

Covert1:
Heavy losses. Sad. Somebody didn't do his job.

Nok234:
Don't say that actualy they are doing their best, for sure we lack intelligence and the military is taking notes

Covert1:
A great job u do trying to make him understand. Hope he does cos so far all I see is a guy who "sees no bad in us". Everything is on the up and up for him in SA Lol. Btw their subs don't even have the AIP speaking of.

Tactically Speaking:

We can write from now to tmrw, fact is Nuclear subs are of greater advantage, period. Modern Nuke subs are basically built to be a hole in the water. It's reactor machinery noise is isolated. It is silent. It is nigh impossible to detect (some have said can't be detected). Their positions in a global ocean is an unknown. It's one weakness being very fast, is the heat it leaves on the surface while diving to depth and that mostly is negated by the hydrodynamics of the Sea. This same jin115 won't let us hear word if they get one - in a dream.

Diesel Electric Subs are great and deadly but it's touted stealthiness is remaining still at depth in contested waters. That's a fact. For the sake of saying they are great, the Gotland class is better. In fact the swedes are building subs that can survive torpedo hits but questionably yet in service. Still at that how many hits can it survive? It is limited in range by a whole host of factors not least it's need to breath. In a concentrated ADMI with Air-borne, Satellite, Ship, Submarine search and track sensors it is toast.

Submarines above all else hate search from up there, it almost always gives it away. T'is why range and survivability (need to stay submerged) matters so ur position is hardly compromised. The Heroine Class subs don't have that capability.

Nigeria is still in business.

jln115:
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AIP increases the time it can stay submerged thus increasing the time the sub runs on battery power.....so yes I get your point!! But it won't make it more stealthy than a non aip d.e sub if you get my point just increases the time/endurance of the batteries!!

jln115:
Not exactly, AIP allow the batteries to be charged submerged......diesel engines can't run while fully submerged for obvious reasons hence a sub must snorkel to allow the engine to charged the batteries.

While submerged all d.e subs run only on battery power.....thus AIP only allows the batteries to run longer while submerged!! Does not add to stealth....the diesel engine will still need to snorkel eventually to charge the batteries!

Rest of your post I agree with!!

jln115:
- What? Did you even bother to simply Google what our Heroine class subs are all about..... If you did you won't be using your fly/bird metaphor!

-HOW!!! HOW are nuclear subs quieter.....you just proved you are extremely ill informed about submarines in general......modern D.E subs are much quieter than Nuclear subs that's a fact mate, look it up

- dude AIP does not reduce noise, it simply continues charging the batteries while the sub is submerged, hence a d.e sub can run longer on battery power and thus extend under water indurance!!

-please provide a citation that states the HEROINE CLASS must surface every 24 hours.

-Which regional power operates a nuclear submarine? Oh yes none, so your argument is irrelevant!

- how can it sink an entire NATO fleet and not get detected during an exercise but not in a real life scenario?? Exercise simulate real life situations other wise what would the point be to even hold exercises?

- stop an envision from who exactly?

- yes you are agubugu

"The Swedish shipbuilder Kockums constructed three Gotland-class submarines for the Swedish Navy that are fitted with an auxiliary Stirling engine that burns liquid oxygen and diesel fuel to drive 75 kilowatt electrical generators for either propulsion or charging batteries. The endurance of the 1,500-tonne boats is around 14 days at 5 kn (5.8 mph; 9.3 km/h)."

nemesis2u:
i like the bicycle concept

no chains

nemesis2u:
correct but somethings will always remain common

nemesis2u:
bro what does the above statement of mine means ?

it means

1. radars of a ship will never be able to pick up a un-submerged submarine.

2. and therefor radars of a ship can not pick up a submarine snorkel.

and this is what i wrote here

"can a ship borne radar detect a submarine periscope in high seas"

what does it imply indirectly in context of the whole discussion?

if a ship borne radar can detect a very small submarine periscope in high seas then detecting a un-submerged submarine will be a child's play for the ship borne radar isnt it?

so is there any explicit difference between the 2 statements of mine in context of the overall discussion ?

jteku:
HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO ME

sconp:
What happens when a fired bullet hits a grenade?

Covert1:
Gentleman, I did make a response. Time is of the essence and really no time. The earlier one is lost but I put up something up now. I'd assume u've already done more research.

nemesis2u:
somebody plz remind the concerned person that the topic in question was can a ship borne radar detect a submarine periscope in high seas

i said no and he said yes countering my no

so the onus lies on him to prove it with facts based on laws of physics .

how hard is that , it is easier than writing whatever he wrote

god help the submariners and the ASW crew

that is why Russians Americans Chinese hell everybody goes around sniffing out the acoustic signature of the various prowling submarines wherever and whenever possible so that it can be added to the threat library of the onboard sonar system so that it can be matched with the ships/sub detected sonar echo readings for positive ID as to the type of submarine that has been detected .

i guess the above navies have nothing better to do

but what do i know

anyways i am out of this

everybody is free to believe whatever that rocks their boat.

science is always exact and to the point based on proven facts, it knows no pretty words otherwise it simply becomes literature

Covert1:
Iblwai1, I'm writing between straits but I had to reply as u're quite a gentleman. I wouldn't respond to ur friends pettiness. Pls do indulge me as I think u'd agree no one divulges the specifics of his capabilities. Even if I did I won't jeopardize the lives of our NN sailors and crew. His questions are merely regurgitations. Some of the topic is open knowledge, he should look them up.

I did say "some" Radar. Yes, anti-clutter radar exists. And it is possible to detect a submerged vessel's snorkel or periscope in an Area of Direct Military Interest (ADMI).

I'd assume u've made some study on this matter. You can also research on new advancements like Laser Radar which allows for light detection and ranging. Of course integration of assets from air to satellite to sea and even fellow submarines allow for better chances at detection. Some of these assets employ optical, radar or thermal means for detection.

But to explain my parable better a lot of focus is on the training and experience of the crew. Pls note naval warfare is a matter of life and death. Submarines have the advantage of knowing u're there before u may detect it so ship crews are highly trained for detection.

This training makes a lot of difference since detection is by both direct or indirect means. A lot of the focus here is indirect detection. Naval crews train to gain experience and ability to determine the difference between Sea entities and the sounds they generate. Mostly they are trained in specific areas of Radar detection that makes it possible sometimes for a naval officer to be able to tell what class of submerged vessel is been detected.

Yes atmospheric elements can be an interference but not necessarily a hindrance regardless of conditions as ships have endurance and can tarry for the kill. The Sea contains other marine life and the presence of a submerged boat adds to the dynamics that creates internal waves or alters the Sea balance and structure which generates chain reactions on the Sea Surface picked up by Radar etc for split evaluation and determination of what's possibly out there. It is a complex system but much is about the type of response or echo received to sound projected.

Beyond this are many other factors but that would be writing a paper. Technology would always evolve for detection as well for evasion. Already non-steel submarines are been designed as are Radars for visual or direct detection. We can always tete-a-tete going forward. Thank you.

bro i always felt ur a sensible person so let me correct u

the radars of a ship will never be able to pick up a un-submerged submarine, forget about a submarine snorkel , against the heavy sea clutter.

which is why ships have hull mounted sonars or towed sonars to detect submarines

the radars of a ship r optimized for

1.picking up air targets at long ranges

2.picking up surface vessel targets at short ranges

it is basically due to simple laws of physics ie curvature of the earth aka limitation of radio horizon

for detecting submarines u will need ASW helicopters or patrol aircrafts or UAVs equipped with sensors like sonar buoys, dunking sonars , MAD sensor , airborne specialized maritime surface search radars , carbon emission detection sensors etc including ships which have hull mounted sonars or towed sonars to detect submarines.

MikeCZA:
On a state to state level: Outcome in Africa will depend on the level of support one has from the "super powers".

Clashes in Africa have and will for the near future remain at the brigade level.

jakeporeshenko:
Hope you mean this hypothetically.
Anyways It’ll depend on the terrain/environment, in the creeks it won’t be a fair fight.

As someone here once stated there’s no “best in the world” special forces, they are trained to fight different fights.

Outcome could depend on:
Location (swamp around Niger delta, highlands)
Duration (one group could run out of amo first)
Air support and reinforcement

officialdayo:
We all know in manueverability, the Russians are good.

newafricaken254:
Why turn when you can do this !?those flip and turn won't stop it from being locked on

 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4g4_jzqBJnA

frumentius:
No. You got the destination country, wrong city though. The embarkation point is the key and giving that away gets me into trouble. I can be forthcoming on the destination cos the airport is both civilian and military. Normally, we use our UK cousins' base on RAF Ascension Island to refuel discreetly, but that's under repair.

It's ridiculous that under regs, I have to tip-toe when anybody with a map, an internet connection and flight-radar can work it out.Hell, I posted about it after the last DRC rotation. Them times is different now, thanks to idi0ts at 16 Sq and Recce4&5 inappropriately sharing online.

jln115:
I simply stated my opinion, you lost your mind about it and tried to refute my claims by posting about Subs, Frigates and LDPs you don't have or even ordered yet!