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tola9ja:
SHARIAREPORTERS I THINK YOU CAN NOW SEE THE BIBLE IS THE MOST CORRUPT BOOK ON EARTH

The bible is a book of two religions, Judaism and Christianity.
old testament was Judaism while new testament is Christianity.
so, if you quote chronicles.which falls in old testament, saying Judaism was corrupt, you may be right.
Islam and Judaism and all other religions are corrupt, only Christianity is pure

tolusaliu:
Come unto me and i will give you rest. In the kind of world we live now that different kind of atrocities are being committed day in and out, i think this is the HIGH time we all need to come to Jesus(the author and finisher of our faith). Being born again is the best way to make GOD happy with us in life most especially in Nigeria we live in.My dear brothers and sisters let us all give our life's to Jesus for the renewing of our heart and soul. Make a decision today to give your life to Jesus and your life will never remain the same again,Amen.
If you believe just say this short prayer.

DEAR GOD, AM A SINNER AND I COME TO YOU WITH MY HEART TO SAY I AM SORRY.PLEASE FORGIVE ME FOR ALL MY SINS AND MAKE ME WHOLE,I AM BORN AGAIN,THANK YOU JESUS CHRIST,IN JESUS NAME, AMEN.

GOD BLESS YOU FOR THIS DECISION.

Good sermon!
But to you are you directing it to, Christians or non christians?

flexybobo:
if Christ come now where will you be?
Jesus says he is coming

i will still remain where i am here on earth.
Christ has always been coming

flexybobo:
heaven and God's kingdom are not the same thing. Heaven is up while God's kingdom is on earth

wrong!
they are the same, and it is now

paxonel:
those of us who have read bible will agree that there is no place in the Bible after Jesus resurrected, that is, from the book of act of the apostle down to revelation, that believers still saying that they were waiting for the world to end so that they will make heaven. There is no such thing.
Today, christians are still saying i want to make heaven, meanwhile, heaven came to earth the very day Christ ressurrected. That was the day men made heaven.Are they not confused like that.
I noticed that christians who fall into this category mostly are those who never went to school.
The dangerous thing is, even professors of Nigerian universities still have this belief, that they are going to make heaven,in this heaven that we are already in?
who then will educate those who didn't go to school at all?
You see, Nigerians have a very long way to go

HEAVEN ON EARTH

Proximo73:
op, is a fool
ahahaahaaaha!

lol
they should also go for confession

emusmith:
This kind of question...

please, i want to know, you people should advice me

As the bible says seek ye first the kingdom of God before doing anything, i think couples should pray ernestly before making love. The man should lead the prayer and ask God what direction to follow as he is entering.
After the love making, they should say the benediction.

paxonel:
the African doctrines the missionaries brought need changes, it wasnt based on reasoning, therefore it need change or africans remain in perpetual bondage.
what africans refuses to see is
john6:29, Jesus answered and said unto
them, This is the work of God(the
definite article there is THE WORK,
that means, there is only one work to
do ), that ye believe on him whom he
hath sent.(that's all ).
so, all we need to do is believe only.
go back to your Bible and look at it again.
Paul confirmed this in
Romans 3:28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds(works ) of the law.
the law is the 10 commandments, thou shall not kill, thou shall not lie etc
and James says if you break one of these laws you have break it all.
so, there is no way we can be righteous on our own, don't try to be fanatic.
for this reason Christ came to die so that we can be freely justified.
you are telling me i am saying heresy.
this is the same thing Paul said and the they slanderlously say he was saying heresy,teaching people to go and commit sin , just like you doing now to me.
Romans 3:8 And not rather, (as we be slanderously reported, and as some affirm that we say,) Let us do evil, that good may come? whose damnation is just.
please we are not encouraging people to break the law and commit sin.
we are saying that, now that you know you are freely justified, use your conscience to abstain from sin.
don't wait for any law to guide you.
if we go and commit sin, then we will suffer the consequence like anyone else here on earth.
faith without work is dead (dead in that we will suffer the consequence of our sin, not that we will loose our salvation which was given to us freely ),
God is not human that will give gift to people and later take it back from them.
it takes logical reasoning to understand this thing

people wait for the law to catch up with them, before they develop conscience to do the right thing, especially nigerians.
in the UK nigerians are the most law abiding people because they don't want to be repatriated. But in nigeria, they are lawless people, because nobody is enforcing the law

FrancisTony:
Stop twisting bible to suit your heresy - Jesus was talking about baptism being prerequisite for making heaven not the sole requirement.

I laughed when you cited a dictionary to define your meaning of a believer when Bible and Dictionary aren't the same.

Anyways, this another plain bible verse because you have been twisting your own to suit you....

Matthew 7:21

Not everyone who says to me 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he that doeth the will of my father.

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myproperty:
What you are labouring to tell me is that not everyone is the same thing as not all Jesus Disciples and that The Kingdom of God is the same thing as Christianity? Oh what an interpretation?

Don't forget that you said by believing in Christ alone you are already saved. Are you also trying to tell me that Judas and John the Baptist did not believe in Christ?

Yes we are always judged at our death. But you said we are already in heaven, which I said no until after judgement, Now those people that are judged to life are going to where since non-christians are going to lake of fire?

When was the separation done? can you show me scripturally or are you assuming it? As this statement also taken place? Matthew 16:27
For the Son of Man is going to come in his Father's glory with his angels, and then he will reward each person according to what they have done.

i think what the op is trying to say is that, the Bible do not contradict itself.
for instance,
Matthew 7:21
Not everyone who says to me 'Lord, Lord,' will
enter the kingdom of heaven, but he that
doeth the will of my father.
christians think Jesus meant a kingdom that is coming in the future thereby contradicting what Paul says in
Colossians 1:13 which says
Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:
He is saying that, before Christ was crucified, Jesus made that statement in Matthew 7:21.
But after he resurrected, Paul with that understanding made his statement in col 1:13.
so the Bible cannot contradict itself.
But Nigerian pastors teachings to nigerians is making these scriptures seems contradicting
they don't know where to stand

Ochedi:
u need serious help bro

i nor blame you.
black man

paxonel:
ahahaaahaaaa.
lol.
you don come again.
the cause is misinterpretations, of the quran and bible.
you see, what is happening in Islam is also happening in Christianity.
the good thing is that, christians don't use their own to kill people

that is true,
it really take intelligence to understand bible.
to me, i don't believe anybody again.
the society is dull

yes, too much fake beliefs that is against ethics is fanatism.
too much everything is bad.
infact, too much church going, too much pastor this, pastor that. is fanatism.
see boko haram now, very fanatic fundamental entity.
please, what is the cause of fanatism in religion?
it's a big problem

Ochedi:
Lol...from reading Ur points. I will be wasting ma mind to show u scriptures cos it'll all end up in fruitless arguments. u're just too blind. go and pray for mercy else..

lol
what will you say about Nigeria blindness? do you like it?
or are you saying that your country is not blind?
any people who reject logical reasoning as part of their fundamental education, be it in bible or quran or otherwise, are blind people.
see boko haram now, very illogical people.
that's why you people are afraid of sensitive arguments.
na religion go kill Nigeria. too much church, too much mosque, no understanding or knowledge.
Paul disputed (argue ) in the synagogue day and night that Jesus is lord, you people will run away.
how then are you going to preach this Gospel of the kingdom to this modern day where people are more educated?
all una preaching in Nigeria are bursted! bursted!, fallacies everywhere, all pastors.
i sorry for una. una don die
ahahahaahahaa

Proximo73:
you people are gradually changing things in church. people are no more loyal to pastors again.
but absolute loyalty was given to men like Moses, Elijah, etc.
any bridge to this attracted a punishment from God.
a man argued with our pastor in church today and he seems to know the scriptures than our pastor and was winning the argument.
our pastor got offended and excommunicate him.
you people are the one causing this o

ahahahaaahaaa!
pastor they vex for argument.
anyway, just know that all christians are greater than Elijah and moses and all the prophets of old testament.
you don't need to give anybody loyalty except the person is paying you

Ochedi:
hehe...dat man is a pastor not a teacher so stop expecting dat much from him.believe me,he isn't doing in on purpose.


who says rapture is scam? guy go for help. Yes Heaven is in me bt d bible also talks abt The new physical Heaven and Earth dat will appear. There is a heaven believers will go to while d 7yrs of tribulations is on.

pls go read Ur Bible. its obvious u're d type wus arrogance maks u tink u knw all and thus always looking for faults in odas believe.

ahahahaahaah!
new physical heaven in revelation? and 7 years of tribulation?
are you not supporting your claims with scriptures?
you cannot start it
are you refering to the tribulation of disciples who followed christ to jerusalem when he was about to be crucified, as mentioned by jesus in matthew 24 which has already pass? una funny o.
ahahahahaaahaa. lol
no wonder people are attacking pastors because it is you followers who don't read bible that are defending them ignorantly.
when i say nigerians are lost, confused people you don't believe me.
for your info, revelation was a dream that needs interpretation.
if you take dreams as if it is going to happen like that in real life without knowing the interpretation then are still dreaming.
dreaming of rapture and heaven.. ahahahahaaaaha!
if your pastors beliefs were not faulty why are nigerians ignorant and corrupt inspite all the churches?
all your pastors know the truth they are afraid to say it.
they are thieves
i sorry for Nigeria

Ochedi:
Lol..there's no contradiction there. d carnal mind cannot understand dat mystery. instead of concluding its a contradiction why not seek to understand it first

[quote author=Ochedi post=30798499]i understand it.
it is not a mystery, the Bible is very straight forward in that aspect. that there is time for everything.
their was time before Christ was crucified and there is time after the crucifixion which all christians (belong ).
before Christ was crucified he preached, repent for the kingdom of is at hand (it is near ), but after he was crucified, the kingdom of God was revealed here on earth.
pastor adeboye and all Nigerian pastors know this truth. yet they are still treating christians as if they belong to the era before Christ was crucified, which is old covenant era, by telling christians repent for the kingdom of God is at hand (that is, the kingdom of God is comming in the future ).,meanwhile, the kingdom is already here with us..
this misconception has a great negative implication to Nigerians.
if you ask any Nigerian why are you running the race of Christianity, why do you go to church, they will tell you i want to make heaven when rapture come.
meanwhile, that heaven is right inside them, they have it here on earth.
it's like you have a pair of shoes in your house Jesus gave you, but you don't know, and you are running a race to far sokoto in order to get that same pair of shoes.
i don't see any intelligence there
white men understand this thing. if you ever travel to the UK, you will see that the way they practice their Christianity over there and the way we are practicing it here are not the same. that's why their lives are better.
what i have just done is to identify exactly where the problem is.
it's like, you were thought in jss 3 science that matter is defined as anything that has weight and occupy space,the correct definition for js classes, but by the time you cross to ss1, the definition changed to matter is anything that has mass, which is the correct definition for that class.
now, image a ss1. teacher begin to make reference to jss 3 definition and begin to teach you that matter is anything that has weight and occupy space. is that not contradiction?
that is what these pastors are doing to us.
they read Bible and make reference to the place where Jesus says repent for the kingdom of God is at hand in Matthew( which was actually correct at that time because Christ was yet to be crucified ), they forgot that Christ was crucified at the end of Matthew. therefore the kingdom of God is right inside us.
gal 2:20 says yet not i, but Christ in me.
so all these rapture, end time that pastors are making you people fear is scam, they are doing it to make you fear so that they can make money from you.
incase you are looking for prosperity, go and work. no pastor can make you prosper, except you are employed and paid in the church

Ochedi:
ave you ever wondered why people find it easy
and convenient to run down pastors and cast all of
them in the same mold? Pastors are fraudulent,
they are thieves, they are no good.
The story can go on and on. I find it quite
intriguing when I listen to Christians make such
blanket and loose statements. There is no doubt
that there are pastors who are fraudulent. There
are those who are immoral. And there are those
who are involved in voodoo while calling on the
name of the Lord.
But my grouse really is: Why cast all of them in
the same mold? It is sad that you hardly hear
people talk about the great work that God is using
pastors to do in our society. Nobody talks of their
sacrifices. Nobody talks of the pain they go
through in trying to give birth to a sane society.
Nobody is talking about their labour of love.
I know of pastors who will rather use their money
to pay school fees of members children than use it
for urgent family needs. There are pastors who live
in rented apartments and yet have large
congregation they could take advantage of to have
their own building. I know of a professor (don't
want to mention name) who for years did not live
in luxury. And he is still not living in luxury. He did
not own a house of his own though he could
afford one.
He was so consumed in working for God and doing
missions that he forgot about personal comfort. At
a time in his life he rode on okada. He was ejected
from his uncle's house and he was left in the cold
until God intervened. (the intervention is a long
story)
Now, this man who turned down an offer to
lecturer in a foreign university having completed his
Phd programme to come back to Nigeria to do
missions now has a sprawling estate devoted to
mission work. He host mission conferences in the
estate in Kwara State. This professor is over 70
and he is still firing for the Lord.
Those who don't know his story will now come
and say he is fraudulent. Will that not be a
disservice? Many of the great men we find
convenient to run down today have had to pay one
price or the other to get to where they are.
Perhaps some of us do not know that the RCCG
G.O left his duplex as a lecturer at the University
of Ilorin to live in a dingy room in Imusin, Lagos as
the G.O. of the church. Now people see the
glamour and scream.
Recently, one Rev. Adah who runs a free school for
about 400 children in Taraba State was killed by
Fulani herdsmen. This man gave his life and
resources to children who are not his own. He fed
them free of charge and took care of them before
he was hacked down by agents of darkness. You
hardly read commentaries on such stories but
rather we dissipate so much energy talking about
the few bad eggs in the fold
While I do not subscribe to a flamboyant lifestyle, I
think is just normal that these men of God deserve
some level of comfort. And I think we should rather
promote the good they do than lay undue
emphasis on the bad ones among them.
I do not run a church and I don't know the
temptation that will make me run one. I don't even
like the title pastor. I'll rather remain a brother. But
when people say churches are now big businesses,
my simple reply is: go and start one and see how
easy it is to gather people. There is no doubt that
many have turned it to money spinning enterprise
but there are quite a lot who have been genuinely
called of God and who are doing God's bidding.
Let's tell the good story about these servants of
God. Lets talk about the exploits God is using them
for. Lets talk about the good things about them.
By doing that we will encourage them to do more
and perhaps the bad ones among them will take a
cue.

the problem i have with pastors is not their money. is that, they say one thing today ,tomorrow they will say another thing different.
all pastors in Nigeria do it. they ended up confusing Nigerian population thereby putting their mindset at fear of the unknown, consequently, less hardwork of government, because president and senators are choosen from the people.
i read adeboye this morning saying the kingdom of God or heaven is the church on earth, i was surprise, so he know about this?
tomorrow he will begin to say repent the kingdom of God is at hand and start preaching rapture.
i mean, which kind confusion is this?
sometimes, i begin to wonder, are these pastors suffering many things, paying the price, only for them to begin to play smart one to Nigerians when they finally start making their millions?
they should have mercy to Nigerians and stand by the right information from the bible without waving or contradicting themselves . people are suffering

Princewell2012:
@op, hmmm, i know how you feel, but that is not enough reason to abandon ur brethren. This is one of the reasons, why i said christians do not know that they are on a journey, and pastors too ar not helping matter. Since they continue to demand tithes, demand this and that, money, money, money. Then christians have abandoned their calls, nd began to run after money. haven't u imagine how the world ar celebrating dis so called men of God? they even boast about their clossness, nd relationship with d president, gorvenors and senators. Jesus said if they hate me, they will hate u too. The bible says a friend with d world,is an enemy with God. Jesus tell peter, upon this rock, i wil build my church nd d gate of hell wil not prevailed against it. It is not all church that belong to Jesus. Dia4 any church that collects tithes does not belong to Jesus. Even if they ar one million, Jesus never know them. Dia4 Iam Going To Establish One Here In Lagos Which Wil Not Colect Tithe. Email gnwaneri@ymail.com

i do not abandoned my brethren
I still love everyone, it's just that i am reading my bible and becoming more knowledgeable and flexible enough to change some of my beliefs.
right now, i am a better person than the average Nigerian church routine Christian.
they are not learning, they remain rigid, with the regular pastoral teachings and they are not changing in mindset or upgrading their knowledge of the bible or letting go of old traditional beliefs which they have succeeded in mixing with christianity,which are antagonistic to ethical values and attitude.
therefore, Nigeria as a nation will never change from this current state of mass corruption and abject poverty .
but, they are all saved, simply because they believe in Christ.
if you ask average Nigerian, they will proudly tell tell you we are africans, you can't change us
lol

denisbid:
if you are not called by God you can't establish church.

everybody in Christianity have been called by God since 2000 yrs ago Christ was crucified.
opening of church is your personal decision.

Proximo73:
a lot of people will learn from you if you truly allow yourself to be used by God

what do you mean? that i should go and establish church and become a pastor?
my friend, the truth is for everybody, both the poor and the rich.
not only me.
how about you? go establish your church.
lol

Princewell2012:
To start with, am not even sure you are a christian. You are here talking about the ten commandment. Now its 3rd commandment says, you should remember the sabath day to keep it holy, are you still doing that today? d problem is that majority of those places u called church is not even a church, but a den of robbers and a business centre. Locate for a tru church of Jesus, forsake not d asembly of d brethren, where they do not colect tithe

lol
what i am referring to are 7 commandments out of the 10 ,which do not include Sabbath. they are
love God with all your heart
thou shall not kill
thou shall not lie
thou shall not bear false witness
thou shall not adultery
thou shall not dishonor your papa and your mama
thou shall not covet
these 7 are extended to christians
but the other 3 which include sabbath were for the Jews only.
and you know gentiles are also in Christianity.
so, when i mentioned 10 commandments i didn't mean the complete 10. but 7 out of the 10.
i used 10 commandments for people to understand me.
my aim is to educate africans the effect of religion in our lives, so that they will start living a better life, africans are suffering a lot.
you need to see.
it was this understanding Jesus had when he said i will destroy the temple( including church building because we don't need building anymore, building is religion ) and build my church (people ) in 3 days.
so people are far better than church(religion ).
stop loving church, love people instead.
boko haram love religion than people, That is why they kill people.
christians should not love religion like that, it is bokoharamism or fanatism or fundermentalism in Christianity. all Nigerian christians are guilty of these, because they love going to church so much. religious people.
you are right! all the churches in Nigeria are den of robbers, no one is better than the other.
is it winners,deeper life, redeem, cgm, christ embassy, trem, mfm?
mention one that is good.
the problem started with Catholics

denisbid:
did you go to church yesterday?

i don't need church

[quote author=phemmyutd post=30635694][/quote]op, my own is why will churches teach you people that swallowing is a sin?
see what they have caused you now, and my Nigerian ladies.
anyway, seens the damage has already been done in your mindset by religion. It is wrong for him to demand it from you.
you people can quit the marriage or you start learning how to swallow or he stop demanding.
any of this 3 is required to keep both of you happy

Proximo73:
it depend on the individual sha,
their ability to understand. people are different with different ability to understand a particular context.
some people think it is like this, others think it is like that.
that's why we have different denominations or sects in Christianity.
But, it think the most important thing is that, we all believe that Jesus is our saviour

exactly,!
that's why school some people will will carry first, others will carry last.
yet they were in the same class studying the same thing

denisbid:
if he choose to disobey this Scripture he has disobeyed the Bible. consequently, he has disobeyed God

it is not all scriptures of the Bible that was directly meant for christians. for instance, circumcision, keeping the Sabbath day. they were meant for the Jews.
But Christ disobey that law right before their eyes and go to work on Sabbath.
so you see, church going is optional.
if you like go
if you like don't go
nobody will slap you.
i believe that Paul adviced christians not to forsake the assembly in that Scripture because, Christianity was new at that time, with few people. so, they needed to encourage themselves to remain in the faith.
But today, we don't need all that encouragement.
we just know that Christianity is the way the truth and the life , not Islam or any other religion.
because, this is the time for knowledge.
I know some people will still not understand me.. lol

Proximo73:
so, how about those benefits people get from churches by way of giving arms, help to the needy?
don't you know that if people stop going to church there will be no such help again?

sorry!
I didn't see this on time, if churches are giving help to people then they should continue to go.
But, the question is, do these church members have the mental capacity to protect themselves from the misinformation currently propagating by these pastors in the name of preaching the gospel ?
there is power in information.
someone once said it is better to teach me how to catch fish than to be giving me fish continually.
a situation where an average Nigerian christian don't know what faith is.
if you ask them, they will say faith is to perform miracles and be free from poverty.
if ask them what is the kingdom of God on earth? they don't know
then, you begin to wonder, what have they be going to this church for all these years?,
i told you if i am paid for going to church i don't mind doing anything to go to church and be punctual.
But again, i will need to protect myself.
there us no way i can protect myself by believing everything my pastors tells me

Proximo73:
what if the pastor is passing the right information, teaching the congregation how to obey the law and be morally upright, will he not be missing out with the lessons thereby making his life miserable if he has not been going ?

Paul says in
Romans 2:14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:
you see that you are already a law unto yourself, you don't need church?
ok
verse 15 says, Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another
so if he is morally upright enough to keep the law with his conscience and he says he doesn't need the law and church again, he is equally good.
But if he is not morally upright like most Nigerians (95% Nigerian population are corrupt people inspite all the churches and mosques ).
then, there is need for him be going to church so that pastor will teach him.
that is, if the pastor is passing the right information or breaking down the 10 commandments and explain how they should be applied in real life situations like you said.
But unfortunately, we don't have any such pastor in Nigeria.
all of them are after money.
that's why i say it is useless to go

Proximo73:
op, i think this Scripture is the main reason why people go to church
Hebrews 10:25 Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.
and it is seen as a law in christianity

how is this Scripture a law?
is it part of the 10 commandments?
the 10 commandments only asked the Jews to keep the Sabbath, not christians. there was no Christianity at that time.
Infact, Jesus didn't go to the temple, rather he went to work one Sabbath day like that.
when he was accused he told them he is the lord of the Sabbath.
if you accused me of not going to church i will tell you that Christ has made me lord of Sundays, i don't need church.
if a christian choosed to disobey this Scripture and go ahead to forsake the assembly what will happen?
nothing.
it won't make him less a Christian
he remains saved.

denisbid:
you won't blame them,
what you are pointing out from the Bible is contextual. it takes someone who can see the mental picture of the whole Bible stories or history of the bible events to understand what you are saying.
But it's like churches are reading Bible only to play religion without considering the history behind it.
the bible is historical and everything is recorded according to time and they are all interelated.
to them, what you are saying is like advanced studies and they will never suddenly develop inspiration to even think. talkless of getting what you are saying.
in my church ,i almost walk out of yesterday's evening service. they raised a prayer point that God should stop buhari from winning election simply because he is a Muslim.
something is really wrong with this country

lol.. i thought as much
you are very right.
that's the point i was trying to let alexk2 know.
the church is getting almost everything wrong in the bible and it is affecting Nigeria negatively.
I believe that God will solve Nigeria problem through the church, that is, if the pastors are getting the bible right.
even boko haram will recommend church going for people if pastors are getting the Messages of the bible right.
the bible is saying one thing and they are making people to believe another thing entirely which does not relate with bible.
na God go help us.
it does not matter whether the person is a Muslim or a Christian so long we have a credible person to rule Nigeria.

denisbid:
i am getting what you are saying.
our salvation is not based on our works, But it is based on our religion
Jesus is the founder of Christianity just like Mohammed founded islam and Abraham the father of Judaism, the religion of the Jews.
i noticed that the reason why God hated idolatry in the old testament was that idolatry was like other religion away from the approved religion as at then, which is the religion of the Jews, because the Jews believed in God. while idolaters believed in idols.
so everything is all about your religion

thank you very much!
each time i talk about this thing i always feel it is me something is wrong with, because people can not understand.
thank God you saw it too