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paxonel:
exactly!
nobody can do without people, that's why we are a nation.
i think our interest should be replenishing this nation, rather than replenishing the church and.replenishing pastors pocket.
what am i gaining from them?
the moral values of the Bible, they are not teaching us. it is African norms which does not conform to ethics they are busy promoting

i still think there African traditional values that should be emulated

paxonel:
I think i have distinguished between this.
as they applied to reality, God is not interested in religion (church ).what God is interested in is THE CHURCH ,which is people, everybody in Christianity.
so, by extention,church buildings and all the ordinances and practices in them are vanity before God, but may be useful to humans

Christianity is not a religion, do you know that?

paxonel:
if i give to the poor i get happiness, i will be happy that a life is touched

talking about giving to the poor, the churches are doing great job

paxonel:
the question you should ask yourself is, in what area of this life are Africans better than whites?
is it the mosquito in our environment? or our poor drainage system? or the wild jungle without any form of fumigation against reptiles?
by God's mandate we ought show love to people and replenish our world like white men are doing to their world,But what are we doing? we abandon education and carry religion and tradition as our first priority, abandoning our responsibility here on earth,going to church and be waiting for rapture, thinking God is more interested in church or religion than his creation ..
we need change

it is the white man world that need change.
a society which encourage girls to be walking naked and there is impunity everywhere, is that not immoral society ?
their high rate of immorality is in the increase. our culture and tradition has helped check immorality in our society and you are telling me that they are better than us.

Alexis86:
there is nothing wrong being African, it's not about the skin color, it's about change in the mindset which religion can largely determine

you people are trying to give the impression that white men are better than black people, yet you are a black man

paxonel:
i think it is a socio - cultural problem, Africans are just so hyper spiritually incline. history have it that Africans has been like that from the beginning, even before Christianity came, when missionaries eventually brought Christianity,books like revelation became a perch tree for Africans to extend their hyper spiritualism into Christianity of this generation because they cannot simply understand it . an emotional illusion that sees the various adherents into churches to seek spiritual solution to their problems, rather than being realistic
we all somehow are influenced by this trend

you are right with the diagnosis, But we are africans, we can't help but still remain africans

paxonel:
please,i want to ask, since you say, the Antichrist is the beast in revelation, is this beast humans? going by this Scripture
2 John 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.
meaning, this deceiver is a human who deceived people that Jesus did not come in the flesh .
the question is, could it be that the beast in that revelation represent humans?

the beast is not a human, the beast is the devil.
the mark of the beast is 666,.on that day, nobody can buy and sell without this mark

Alexis86:
how do you know that they behave well? is your father a pastor? let those who are pastors children tell you how pastors children behave

its either you are not a pastors child or you simply lark home training

paxonel:
ahaahaahhahha!!!
your father na pastor?

i don't think that his father is a pastor, no pastors child behave that way

Alexis86:
lol..
i am looking for people to condemn

in your mind, you think you are catching fun, the earlier you repent, the better for you

paxonel:
it is simple, let them teach church members that they can always remain Christians without going to church, in that way, they will make church members free.

it's a lie, you can't be a Christian without going to church

Alexis86:
then why did you say rapture should fold this world up as if you are not enjoying your life? are you not confused like that?

my friend, stop sounding like a child, can't you see the trouble around the world? for instance, Malaysia plane is still missing tiil now, don't you think there is spiritual forces behind all these trouble? which are signs that the world is coming to an end?

Alexis86:
my friend,go and work or you will only die in poverty

see you
i am already a made man, do you know how much i realize from a single transaction?

Alexis86:
so, you don't want to work?... lol

revelation 7:17 says, and God shall wipe away all our tears

Alexis86:
so, you don't want to work?... lol

revelation 7:17 says, and God shall wipe away all our tears

paxonel:
really?
ok, how about
Colossians 1:13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:
which says that we have been translated into the kingdom already? and not in the future?
can't you see that the very thing you are looking for by running to church ,is right inside you?

you can tell me the kingdom of God is this life that is full of suffering, do people still suffer in heaven. i thought heaven should be a place where everything work out smoothly without any work or any form of stress

paxonel:
exactly, no rapture, life continues, the kingdom of God on earth is forever, no end

the kingdom of God is not on earth, it s in heaven

urheme:
What a selfish ambition!!!
The world will not fold, if you are tired, better write your will and rapture your self into heavenly bliss.

Imagine the verse you have quoted "voice of archangle"
Where God voice go?

Some people woke up from wet dreams and incorporated a concept of everlasting life in to a book so as to make you governable,

No body lives forever

i can see that you are not a Christian, no comment.

paxonel:
to replenish the earth simply means to build this earth, to develop it.
over the years in the history of life ,mankind has evolved from one stage of development to the other. the era that we are living now is the era of enlightenment, that means, the days of the bible were primitive days.
God who is alive from the beginning has recorded this change and he is happy with it.
it will truly make sense to you when you travel out of the shores of this country to see how white men has developed their world, because they are more enlightened than us

stop deceicing people, this world will come to an end, don't be enlighten more than God. education has spoil this generation

paxonel:
this is the big picture of God
God wanted mankind to replenish this world he created, mankind messed up by comiting sin, as a result, death came and there was no hope to fulfill the mandate of replenishing the earth.
to help mankind fulfil the mandate, God send Jesus to die to restore the eternal life that mankind lost.
right now, the eternal life is here with us, we are gradually fulfilling the mandate whether we know it or not
so there is nothing like rapture

so, what is your idea of replenishing the earth or what it means?are we truly fulfilling or replenishing this earth? can't you see the rumours of war, the earthquake everywhere as predicted by Jesus in Matthew 24, which are the signs of the coming of Jesus, the rapture and end of the world? you are not spiritually minded at all

urheme:
rapture is a vague concept, I don't believe in it. it is again to instill the hope of everlasting life in the mind of a deluded believer and it is just a huge hopelessness

op, there is nothing like rapture

what is this in 1 Thessalonians 4:16
For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
is this not rapture?
this world is very sinful, we are tired, everything should just fold up

paxonel:
This is the mandate God gave to mankind in the beginning
Genesis 1:28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and REPLENISH THE EARTH , and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
So., our primary purpose on earth is to replenish this earth and God has not changed his mind about this.
How come churches are now saying that the reason why we are on earth is to win souls to prepare for rapture ?
That when rapture comes, God will take us to heaven and destroy this world?
Why will God create man in the beginning and ask him to replenish this world, only for him to come and destroy what man have put his effort to replenish over the years?
Is God that confused? (I'm speaking like a man )
I know winning soul is part of it, But it is not the main thing.

so, what do you think is the main thing if not winning souls for Christ?

are you saying there is no rapture? have you read 1 Corinthians 15:52 which says, In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.?